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Date: Monday, March 18, 2002 12:10 PM

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Topics in this digest:

1. RE: RE: [doc] Speedograph Richfield was Smiths Industries
From: "Chris Parnham" <>

2. Re: seatbelt mount rattle. rear headliner to blame?
From: Jim Strickland <>

3. Re: restoring air filter housing

4. ADMIN - We're Back
From: "daveswingle2" <>

5. DeLorean Article;British Car Magazine February-March2002

6. Re: Steering wheel re-cover
From: Mark Noeltner <>

7. Re: Radio (was)car alarm door trigger
From: hugo mederos <>

8. 2 sets of window felt
From: Christian Williams <>

9. CV joint disassembly
From: Noah <>

10. RE: was car alarm door trigger, extra door wires.
From: "K Creason" <>

11. Another solution for window felt
From: Christian Williams <>

12. Re: Chicago St. Pat's Day Parade (wrap up)
From: "d_rex_2002" <>

13. Early passenger door for sale.
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>

14. Re: CV joint disassembly
From: hugo mederos <>

15. Cristina Ferrare DeLorean book
From: "Walter Coe" <>

16. Re: CV joint disassembly
From: "dmcman82" <>

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 14:01:05 -0000
From: "Chris Parnham" <>
Subject: RE: RE: [doc] Speedograph Richfield was Smiths Industries

I must admit that I have never taken an Angle drive to bits. I know they
have a rather high failure rate, I have needed 2 over the years. I also know
that one of the American clubs sells a "beefed up" one. Speedograph are
working on replacement. I just assumed that the internal bits were plastic,
wrongly, it seems. Apologies for any confusion caused.

I'm still looking for a spare 85mph speedo head..working of not, condition
unimportant. Has anybody got one they could send me? I can then try and get
an "Exchange" service for a 140 MPH out costs, asses quality etc.

Chris Parnham  Hon Sec. DOC UK

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Mueller []
Sent: 14 March 2002 22:54
Subject: RE: [DML] RE: [doc] Speedograph Richfield was Smiths Industries

Perhaps the plastic part he referred to is the grease cap with the square
Scott Mueller

-----Original Message-----
From: []
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] RE: [doc] Speedograph Richfield was Smiths Industries

In a message dated 3/14/02 7:53:08 AM Central Standard Time, writes:

> He mentioned something which I had not thought about, The reason they use
> rather flimsy plastic gears in the angle drives is so they can act as a
> of "fuse" in-case of cable / lambarda or speedo problems. He says using
> stronger metal gears could cause other problems

      I find this very interesting. Every Delorean angle drive I've rebuilt,
and it's been quite a few, has had metal gears in it. I've never taken a
Delorean angle drive apart that has had plastic gears inside.



Message: 2
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:16:22 -0500
From: Jim Strickland <>
Subject: Re: seatbelt mount rattle. rear headliner to blame?

Do you mean the upper seat belt mount?  If this is the case and that part
is loose- then you can't take the seat belt fastener bolt out.  The bolt
screws into the cylindrical fastener.  This fastener (sorta like a huge
rivnut) goes through the body to underneath the vent just to the rear of
the door.  

Mine was spinning in place, and i fixed it (rather unelegantly) by
drilling a hole through the spinning piece and the body and putting in a

If the piece you're referring to is the SPACER between the seat belt bolt
and the body, simply tightening the bolt should be fine.  The plastic
piece on the upper seat belt mount just pops off...

If you're talking about soemthing totally different, then nevermind...

Jim 1537

On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:16:38 EST writes:
> hey everyone, me again! 
> today i noticed a rattle in my car, so i got out to investigate.  i 
> believe 
> the round disc that goes behind the seat belt mount on the passenger 
> rear 
> wall is the culprit.  it is quite loose and it spins around and has 
> a lot of 
> play in it.  the driver's side is much tighter.  anyone know how to 
> fix this? 
> one problem might be that i have replaced my rear headliner but was 
> unable to 
> get the passenger side ceiling screw through the headliner once i 
> had it 
> installed.  i should have drilled it out first.  too late!  as a 
> result the 
> black part of the wall on the side isn't mounted to the roof, so 
> it's a 
> little loose.  this might have something to do with it? 
> thanks! 
> Andy 


Message: 3
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:00:58 EST
Subject: Re: restoring air filter housing

Andy, If you would like to see what the Air Breather would look like painted 
clear but don't want to make it permanent at this time. After you clean it 
all up. Don't laugh, Spray it with hair spray. It has lacquer in it and will 
give it a temporary shine till it rains. I use it all the time for car shows 
on the black.


Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:08:01 -0000
From: "daveswingle2" <>
Subject: ADMIN - We're Back

Looks like everything is back to normal - have at it!

Also - I cleaned out a couple of old Polls that had no end date - 
they seemed to have collected plenty of data by now. Results posted 
to the list. 

Dave S


Message: 5
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 16:47:03 EST
Subject: DeLorean Article;British Car Magazine February-March2002


The current British Car Magazine ($4.95USA) issue February-March 2002 
features a story on the DeLorean. Story by Graham Robson, pages15 thru 19. 
Graham Robson seems to have consulted with Quentin Wilson for his opinions on 
this months' story.

Best Wishes,
Michael Pack


Message: 6
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 06:48:38 -0700
From: Mark Noeltner <>
Subject: Re: Steering wheel re-cover

Contact Marty Maier at wingd2(AT) if he hasn't already contacted you.
He found a place that does it for a fairly reasonable price. They'll even
do custom stuff like a gray and black mix if you have a gray interior, or
anything else you want. It seems to me they were in Houston, but I'm not
positive of that. He said he just mailed the steering wheel to them and
they turned it around in a very reasonable time period.

Mark N
Webmaster: Mid-State DeLorean Club

At 01:59 AM 3/16/02 -0000, you wrote:
>Does anybody do this in Black Leather and not charge a bloody fortune?


Message: 7
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:09:00 -0800 (PST)
From: hugo mederos <>
Subject: Re: Radio (was)car alarm door trigger

With all the talk about new radio I did the same just
took my car in to Fry electronic and had the radio
installed works and looks fine.
As for the speakers I did not want to rip and tear
into the rear speakers so I bought 2 6X9's and bout to
speaker boxes for 15 dollars each and the gray
covering on them almost matches my interior carpeting.
worked out great for me.
The installed cost me 100.00 

HUgo M. Vin#2800
--- Jason Jones <> wrote:
> I just got my D back from Circuit City.  I had them
> install and New radio 
> (Yes I Kept the old one for Car Originatlity) and
> replace the Door Actuators
> while installing a Viper 300 security system.  They
> did a GREAT job I have


Message: 8
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:41:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <>
Subject: 2 sets of window felt

After updating my car with window felt from a Ford Probe (see, I went back to the
Pick 'N Pull to see if I could track any more down. I found similar felt
from an '88 Nissan and I also managed to put together a slightly
mismatched set. The pieces are from 2 different cars and look slightly
different, but are both the same style (2 rows of trim to protect the
window from the head of the screws).

I'm selling these 2 sets for 10 bucks each - postage included. I also
found out that there's quite a few of these places around, so I may be
able to get more. Just send me an email if you're interested.



Message: 9
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:25:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Noah <>
Subject: CV joint disassembly

I am in the midst of replacing one of my CV boots. I'll most likely wid up
replacing the lot, and repacking my CV joints at the same time (I was
going to do it in stages, but these things just seem to cascade, don't

IN any event, I've got the axle pulled, and it is currently sitting on a
nice clean-but-not-for-much-longer surface. I've looked at the link of, and it looks like it's going to be a great help. Right after
I figure out how to pop off that end cap. Does it just pry off, or is
there Super Seekrit Voodoo(tm) involved? Tips/tricks/explanations welcome.

As an aside, the copper cap on the tranny side looks as though something
got angry at it at some point in its past; it's quite dented. Is this
mechanically dangerous, or just aesthetically displeasing? Thanks much,

#2867, currently in a few pieces

Sticks! Sharp, pointy sticks! Why can I never find any!!


Message: 10
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:24:12 -0600
From: "K Creason" <>
Subject: RE: was car alarm door trigger, extra door wires.

Darryl, Martin, et al,
I've conceded that the LGW (light green + white) wire is not the way to go--
there is only one running up the roof for both doors. Getting a wire run
back and poke down without taking the headliners down is impossible, so
hooking up to the yellow is out at the moment.
So that leaves me with using the solenoid ground as suggested. Maybe I
should have listened to you all and saved myself a couple of days of
I disconnected the black ground wire running to the solenoid and earthed it
to the other ground wire coming out of the harness.
The two fat ground wires coming down the (US)driver's side rear corner roof
bundle seem to be door solenoid ground wires. I disconnected them there and
tested my actuators to the battery. No va. No go. It flashed like it was
shorting the battery. I tested for continuity between those wires and frame,
and sure enough, those wires are still earthed even though they are
connected to my actuators and disconnected at the LH roof bundle drop down
Can some one please save me some more hair-pulling? My hair is thinning too
quickly naturally.

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Gutkowski []
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] car alarm door trigger

If you buy Darryl's system, it'll come with instructions telling you how to
wire them up.
It's very easy. Darryl was kind enough to supply me with a set of
instructions even
though I haven't bought a kit (experimenting with my own systems as you all
know!). IMO
this is a better solution than using the door heater wires.



Message: 11
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:27:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <>
Subject: Another solution for window felt

A couple people have mentioned to me that they've used 1" velcro as window
felt. Just another tip I thought I'd pass along to the group.'



Message: 12
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:35:12 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <>
Subject: Re: Chicago St. Pat's Day Parade (wrap up)

The Delorean Midwest Connection club had its best turn out for the
St. Pat's Day Parade on a cool but very sunny day.  Temperature at 
parade time was 38 degrees, but the crowd gave us a warm welcome.
We had 8 cars in attendance, running in a 2-1-2-1-2 configuration
throughout the parade route.  The front 2 cars were lowered Deloreans
followed by D REX and others, with 2 red painted Deloreans graciously
watching our backs, with an American flag proudly on Bryan's hood.
It was an outstanding display for the crowd.

I would like to thank all the owners, drivers and co-pilots that
attended the parade, to brave the long wait and brisk lakeside winds. 

Due to the "hint" of political issues, President Bush appeared to be
diverted from seeing D REX and instead had to hold up the parade by
15-20 minutes for "photo ops" in front of the reviewing stand with
the local and state representatives.  Again, rumor has it that D REX
was seen by the President as his helicopter left for O'Hare airport, 
since D REX is big enough to be seen from nearly a mile away.

I am also happy to report that all the vehicles made it through the
long wait and made it through the parade without incident, which is
more than I can say for the Channel 7 float that we passed on the
side of the route, barely one block into the parade route.  I guess
it was a little poetic justice that 1 of 2 broadcasting TV stations
were not able to get coverage of their own float.

As a side note, if you happen to see some photos of D REX taking a
stroll down the Michigan Avenue shopping district, or near either the
Hard Rock Cafe or the Rock and Roll McDonalds, it's probably not a
clever Photoshop mocked up photo, because it really was out for a
drive on the town after the parade.  It must have been a sight to see
and hear it rumbling past unsuspecting Chicago taxi cabs and buses.

And thanks to all who came out to see the club in the parade.  If you
missed it, Tamir will have some video footage of the club cars in the
parade posted to his website soon, but if you want to see all the
footage, you will have to attend the club's Spring Brunch next month
on Sunday, April 14.  Please contact Don Gowler if you plan on joining
us at the brunch, since he needs a final head count very soon.  

See you at the brunch (with another surprise?)

Rich W.


Message: 13
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:14:12 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>
Subject: Early passenger door for sale.

I have a passenger door in my garage that was purchased from the Legend Industries "fire sale".  It is a early good (500 Vin series) complete with windows and locks. 

From what I understand, early doors are hard to find for people trying to keep their early cars "factory original".  I don't know what the concourse book says about door styles for judging, but there may be someone out there who wants the original style anyway.

I can provide photos by request.  Contact me with offers.



Message: 14
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 07:20:31 -0800 (PST)
From: hugo mederos <>
Subject: Re: CV joint disassembly

Noah any tips on the process of pulling the shaft out
did you run in to any problem any tips will be great
as I will be doing this next week.
Do you have the car on jacks or ?..

Thanks HUgo Vin#2800

--- Noah <> wrote:
> I am in the midst of replacing one of my CV boots.


Message: 15
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:56:37 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <>
Subject: Cristina Ferrare DeLorean book

I just picked up an interesting book on eBay.  I was expecting people to bid
against me, but  no one did.  I got it cheap!  It is titled, "Cristina
Ferrare STYLE, How to have it in every part of your life".  It is
predominately a chick book on how to dress, but it has some interesting
things relevant to her family.  There are some nice family photos along with
some interesting photos of Zachary DeLorean as a teenager in his bedroom
with walls covered with DMC posters.  There is one in particular I thought I
would ask the DML about since it is a poster that I have never seen before.
It shows the front drivers side of the car with doors open, black
background, left & right borders have columns of "DMC" logo, with centered
caption, "Presenting DeLorean".  Naturally JZD's son would have been able to
get his hands on rare(?) posters like this.  Does anyone know if copies are

I don't think I can stand reading too much of this book lest I go limp
wristed, but just flipping through there was an interesting section,
"Gracefully getting into and out of a car".  She didn't mention gull wing
doors, but it certainly made me think.  The whole book pretty much as a
Martha Stewart flavor to it, but don't tell Cristina I said that.  :-)



Message: 16
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:02:24 -0000
From: "dmcman82" <>
Subject: Re: CV joint disassembly

The caps just pop right off. The only thing that holds them in place 
securely is when the CV Joints are bolted into place. Just take a 
screw driver and a mallet and tap away at the edges until it pops 
off. The rear collar (where the big end of the boot clamps to) also 
come off like the front cap. Can make it a lot easier to clean out 
all that old grease.



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