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Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Concours Judging (response to David T.) *LONG*
From: FatBoy <>

2. Re: Re: Millennium: The DeLorean Motor Company Concours

3. Air metering adjustment

4. Re: Concours bribes (Important concerns!)

5. Re: No parking brake
From: "James LaLonde" <>

6. Re: No parking brake
From: "DMC Joe" <>

7. Fiberglass Repair
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>

8. British Car Gathering in Townsend, TN
From: "Sean Howley" <>

9. Re: Re: Noisy fuel pump (still!) (and again!)

10. mysterious dash rattle solved
From: "Walter Coe" <>

11. Fan Delay Box
From: "shainbrannan" <>

12. Re: Re: Noisy fuel pump (still!) (and again!)

13. Idle speed blues
From: "stevepeck1" <>

14. (transmission parts)
From: "john572905" <>

15. Re: Concours bribes (Important concerns!)
From: "gr8old1" <>

16. Fan Relay Upgrade
From: "shainbrannan" <>

17. RE: DMC Pinewood Derby Car
From: "K Creason" <>

18. Possible Car Show

19. clearwater/tampa delorean
From: Jim Strickland <>

20. DML Time Warp
From: Mike Substelny <>

21. Re: Fan Relay Upgrade

22. DeLorean's GMC project in Automobile Magazine

23. Re: A/C cycling switch
From: "The Atkinson Family" <>

24. Re: Idle speed blues

25. Re: Fan Delay Box

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 23:08:25 -0800
From: FatBoy <>
Subject: Re: Concours Judging (response to David T.) *LONG*

[MODERATOR NOTE: THIS POST IS BOTH INFLAMATORY AND ANONYMOUS.  However, this thread has already gotten hot, and this post does present another point of view.  This anonymous post claims a number of facts that I am unable to verify.  If this information concerns you, please feel free to post corrections to it.  Above all, please respond like gentlemen (or ladies, if any choose to enter this thread).  Regardless, I will stop accepting any posts to this thread tomorrow.   - Moderator Mike Substelny, signing on in the middle of a fire.]

Hello Mr. Espey,

Let's slow down for a minute or two and clarify some of facts regarding
Concours d' Elegance competition as it relates to DeLorean automobiles.

Permit me to begin with this statement: This issue will not be resolved with
a few off-the-cuff remarks by a few uninformed, wannabe, know-it-alls in
this forum.

Let's start by eliminating some of the people who, using the automotive
vernacular, begin by "running off at the mouth before putting their brain
into gear"!  Let's start by agreeing on one given fact; I own a DeLorean

Unlike the prevailing desire of several of the individuals who post
regularly to this forum and would like to modify the rules of Concours
d'Elegance competition to fit their personal poor quality automobiles and
modifications, you must admit at the onset that each of you has a very
limited knowledge of what real Concours d'Elegance competition is all about.

Let's also play this game by the following rules:  Each member of the
DeLorean Mailing List who is participating in this exercise and/or is
monitoring the progress of this effort goes back into the archives of the
DML and reads each of the previous postings of the respondents by searching
by their first and/or last name and by their posted V.I.N.

For example:  Mr. Teitelbaum, (VIN #10757) I seem to remember I read
somewhere you posted that you won a second place trophy in the Concours
d'Elegance at the Cleveland event in the past. However, you neglected to
advise us who won First Place and how many other cars were competing that
day in Concours d'Elegance competition.  If memory serves me correctly,
there were only 4 DeLorean automobiles competing in Concours d'Elegance area
of the competition that day.  We're not talking about daily drivers or
Peoples Choice cars.  Second place in an "Ugly Woman" contest gives you
neither the right nor a stake in how the rules are created, interpreted and
applied.  Mr. Teitelbaum, pause for a moment and consider the fact that you
simply own a DeLorean automobile like all the other owners who monitor this
forum.  Second place does not qualify you to write the rules for us!

Mr. Battles, (VIN: 06569): How many DeLorean automobiles have you owned?  If
we search the archives of the DML using your name and/or VIN number will we
discover that you have had problems with this and perhaps other DeLorean

Mr. Marc Levy :  Didn't you have some problem with your car when you refused
to  heed the advice of DeLorean service facility professional  to repair
your exhaust manifolds and/or head gaskets and overheated on the way home
from the service facility?  I don't recall the exact posting or how long ago
it was posted, but I'm sure we can all look it up under your name!  Doesn't
your DeLorean have a turbo charger?  Is it lowered?

Mr. Michael Pack: How many DeLorean automobiles have you owned?  Do you own
one at this time?  Have you ever entered a Concours d'Elegance for DeLorean
What gives you the right to require the Concours d'Elegance judges to list
their credentials?  Get into the competition and let's see what you bring to
the table!

Mr. Knut Grimsrud: Well I am impressed with the fact that you can read the
judging manual and have the willingness to review and study your judging
assignment.  Have you ever participated in DeLorean automobile Concours
d'Elegance competition?  How did you fare?  Just because one goes to medical
school and reads a few books on procedures, does that make that individual a
qualified doctor?  If you require 30 minutes to judge a portion of a
DeLorean automobile and another qualified individual can judge the same area
in 10 or 15 minutes, does that make you a better judge or just a slower

Marty Maier:  Just because you are a DML Moderator, what are your
credentials that permit you the opportunity to question the motives and/or
qualifications of Michael Pack?  Can we look-up your name and VIN history in
the archives of the DML and read the condition of your car and your
qualifications as a prospective judge?

Now for the time being, this little exercise brings us back to Mr. James
Espey's comments.  To begin: 1. Do you own a DeLorean automobile Mr. Espey?
2. If so, what is your complete Vehicle Identification Number?  3. Is this
the same 1981 DeLorean automobile for which you bought a used 1983 Door from
Bob Miller in North or South Carolina and installed on your car when you
were a Moderator on the DML a while ago?  4. Was that a correct replacement
for a damaged door on car which may be judged for Concours d'Elegance
competition some day or evaluated for investment purposes?  Did you advise
the purchaser that the door had been changed?  By the way, there are at
least 3 different DeLorean automobile door panel configurations.

Mr. Espey, how can you assert that DeLorean One and the DeLorean Owners
Association were willing to "let it (Concours) die"?  Upon what facts do you
base this allegation?  My documentation reveals that Ed Bernstein of
DeLorean One wrote the first Concours d'Elegance judging manual and rule
book in January 1986 to be used in the 1st DeLorean automobile Concours
d'Elegance, sponsored by DeLorean One in the gardens of the Armor Estate in
Lake Forest, Illinois?  Did you have a driver's license in January 1986?
When did you buy your DeLorean automobile?

Why do you state that the DeLorean Owner's Association let the DeLorean
automobile Concours d'Elegance competition die?  Do you know who Dorothy
Bradley Gates is?  Do you know who Anthony Ieradi is?  Do you know any of
the Concours DeLorean judges and DeLorean Owners Association Concours
d'Elegance judges who have re-worked and refined the original DeLorean
competition regulations from 1986 until October 1999 when The DeLorean Motor
Company Concours was FIRST held in St. Louis, Missouri at the DeLorean
Owners Association Exposition that year?  Mr. Espey, that was only 30 months

Mr. Espey, you didn't "write the book", you simply expanded upon some of the
guidelines that had been in place for 14 years with additional information
discovered in documentation which was unknown by the general ownership prior
to transfer of ownership by the KAPAC Company in Columbus, Ohio.

Now, If the DeLorean Owners Association held a DeLorean automobile Concours
d'Elegance in St. Louis, Missouri as recently as 30 months ago, how can you
say they let it die?

You also neglected to say that Ed and Millie Bernstein flew to the DeLorean
Owners Association Expo in St. Louis, Missouri from California that year and
after the Expo flew directly from St. Louis to New York City to board the
Concorde for a round-trip wedding anniversary trip to London and Paris.  You
also forgot to mention that Bernstein/DeLorean One elected to forgo their
sponsorship of the Concours d'Elegance (Concours DeLorean) that year because
of the limited amount of time and personnel available to them because of
their conflicting, tight vacation schedule.

Now if you can all take a breather and ponder the points mentioned; do a
little homework and research into the DML archives; check the past issues of
DeLorean World Magazine and get your facts straight, we can explore this
matter further in the near future.

By the way. a "concourse" is a large open space for crowds, as in an airline

If you can't spell Concours d'Elegance, how can you dummies write the rule
book and compete as a participant?  Surely, none of you have earned the
privilege of using the word "Concours d'Elegance" in it's abbreviated form,
you simply can't spell it!


----- Original Message -----
From: jv_espey <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:30 PM
Subject: [DML] Concours Judging (response to David T.) *LONG*

> David -
> Now that I am back in Houston on a full-time basis, it's my intent to
> devote more time to the concours rules and judging. Here are my
> thoughts after reading your recent posting to the DML.

[VERY long quote snipped by moderator]


Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:49:13 EST
Subject: Re: Re: Millennium: The DeLorean Motor Company Concours

(Moderators Note: First, let me say that "senator" Michael submitted this posting to the DML, so it must be ment for all DML members to read. Second, based on some of the statements made by Michael over the past week or so on the DML concerning the Delorean Concours competition and it's judging, DML members may like to be able to judge things for themselves. - Marty, this weeks moderator)

<<Your vauge assertions of impropriety and 
 ineptitude in the judging process is baseless and wholly 
 unconstructive. >>

Hahahahahahahahahahah! You're a real card kNut!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you very 
much I needed to laugh after reading your bullshit.

Thanks a million...ever thought of stand up comedy?  You look the part.



Message: 3
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:10:23 -0500
Subject: Air metering adjustment

Dear list:
NOTE: Please keep in mind that this is all completely theoretical- I have not
actually done this. I'm just curious as to how one would do such a thing if one
was actually stupid enough to do what I am curious about.

Now, does anyone out there know a good starting place to set the 3mm CO2
adjustment screw thingy if they were actually dumb enough to diasemble to air
metering housing and play around in there?(Perhaps messing around with the
adjustment while they were in there...)  I'm looking for measurements, number of
threads visible, or anything that may help.

Once again, I have not actually done this- I would never, ever, ever, be that
idiotic. Never.
Oh yeah, if Ed Herrmann's out there- sorry I haven't kept in touch. This damn
car hasn't run for about 6 months now, and I haven't had too much time to screw
around with it. If it ever runs again, we'll start that Savannah D Club.
Matthew 3946


Message: 4
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:17:18 EST
Subject: Re: Concours bribes (Important concerns!)

[MODERATOR NOTE: Yahoo is currently experiencing problems.  Messages I approved 12 hours ago have not yet been released.  If you submitted a message that has not turned around yet, please do not assume that I rejected it, especially in this thread.  -Mike Substelny, DML moderating team]

In a message dated 3/25/02 10:05:03 AM, writes:

<< Seriously,  Based on your sarcasm I suspect you have not been to a 
concours event?  People do take it seriously, which is one of the reasons I 
am so against the whole thing!

I have been to a Concours event, and ironically I am entering one of my 
DeLoreans in to the Memphis contest. The sole purpose of my posting was to 
try and put things in perspective. It seemed that a few folks were getting a 
bit uptight and forgetting that this is supposed to be a fun and relaxing 
hobby, not war.
We should all hope for a huge turn out at Ken's event, he's been working hard 
on this for a long time and we will all benefit from his efforts. It's great 
to get together and shoot the poop with other DeLorean owners and have some 
fun looking at cool cars.
I for one am extremely grateful to Ken for his work, and DMC Houston for 
spending their time and money to create the judging manual. Regardless of 
where you choose to purchase your parts, this is a small community and it 
does not pay to sling crap.

One thing 9/11 has taught me is not to sweat the small stuff.

I look forward to meeting everyone in Memphis.

Daniel Deutsch (Orlando version)
#3356 & #15779


Message: 5
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:56:47 -0500
From: "James LaLonde" <>
Subject: Re: No parking brake

yes there is in fact something you are missing.. otherwise it would work.
anything else?

just kidding... 

take apart the handle assembly (rubber cover, and carpeted piece). there are
two brake lines connected to it on a 'y' rocker... of sorts. the wires end
in a ball that is held in two slots on the rocker-thing if one is
disconnected the other won't get the leverage it needs to hold the brakes
   ___  yay

   ___ boo
--\    ___boo

nice diagram, huh?... hope is works in your font :)
i just had to bend the bracker back, because it was mangled, and then use
some vice grips to pull both balls back through their slots.
my brake now works like a charm... well the parking break does.. .the pedal
brakes need some work do alot of other things.... heheh

help any??
james lalonde

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:23:57 -0500
From: "DMC Joe" <>
Subject: Re: No parking brake


The parking brake adjustment for the DeLorean was never  properly documented
by the factory and could be a mystery if the proper procedure is not
followed. Go to the DeLorean Services website at and select Brakes/Wheels in
the Tech Information section on the right side of the page. Click on Parking
Brake Adjustment make a printed copy and bring it to your mechanic.

If after adjustment the brakes still do not hold contact me for more

DMC Joe/Help Club
Information & Store
DeLorean Website Directory

----- Original Message -----
From: "Payne" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 12:11 AM
Subject: [DML] No parking brake

> Ever since I've had my car, the parking brake never worked very well.

[moderator snip]


Message: 7
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:19:02 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <>
Subject: Fiberglass Repair

Does any one have any links, references, or information on patching the fiberglass body on the DMC?

I have 2 huge holes to fill in, where the previous owner installed intercoolers in the fiberglass body under the rear quarter windows (over the wheel wells).



Message: 8
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 19:54:08 -0500
From: "Sean Howley" <>
Subject: British Car Gathering in Townsend, TN

I have finally uploaded the registration form for the British car show coming up in May to e-groups under "British Car Day 2000".  If any of you are interested in participating in the show, you really need to register soon as it will sell out quickly.  They only have enough room for 165 cars and cannot take any more even on the day of the show.  If you want to be involved, please take care of the registration soon.  There is a category for our cars, so we won't to "fit" in with some of the other specialty cars that will be there.  It will be a good event for all who come!  The registration will answer any questions that you might have, but if it does not, please contact me and I will fill you in with any other info that you might need.


Sean Howley

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:00:47 EST
Subject: Re: Re: Noisy fuel pump (still!) (and again!)

In a message dated 3/28/02 6:48:12 PM Central Standard Time, writes:

> Last summer members of the DeLorean Club of Ohio drove to London, Ontario.  
> We spent a very long time waiting in line at the Canadian border with our 
> engines and air conditioners running.  None of us overheated or broke down, 
> but by the time we got into Canada *all* of our fuel pumps were screaming.

    The reason the fuel in the tank gets hot is more a cause of the hot water 
from the engine heating the tank and fuel as it makes it way up to the front 
of the car to the radiator and then returns to the engine. Remember this 
water coming from the engine is normally around 190 -200 deg F, and when you 
just sit in traffic it gets hotter then that. The water lines running down 
both sides of the bottom of the fuel tank and enclosed between the frame 
rails and belly pan and the fuel tank act as heaters for the fuel inside the 
tank. And yes, the less fuel in the tank, the easier it is to heat. 


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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:39:33 -0500
From: "Walter Coe" <>
Subject: mysterious dash rattle solved

In the process of debugging my noisy fuel pump, I started tracing down
another noise that I thought might have been my fuel pump, but it turned out
to be the buzzer module.  The sound was very similar to letting go of an old
mechanical dial on a telephone.  I have heard this buzzer make clicking
noises before instead of the usual seat belt buzz on occasion, so I KNEW
that this other noise couldn't be from the same source.  After all, it
didn't behave like a bad buzzer.  It would be totally silent unless the
engine was running.  Having only the ignition on wouldn't trigger it.  And
then at idle I could barely hear it -- not enough to locate the source.
Then with increased RPMs, the clicking noise would increase in frequency and
volume.  The only times I could really hear it well was when driving at
highway speeds, so I thought for the longest time that it must have been the
speedometer cable.  But how do you locate a noise under the dash while you
are driving at 60mph?  I assumed it was the fuel pump or maybe even the
tachometer.  I even suspected it was coming from my radio until I unplugged
the speaker.  I have listened to this thing make a barely noticeable rattle
for several thousand miles worth of driving!  And just unplugging the buzzer
wasn't good enough.  That stopped the clicking noise, but then without the
wires holding the circuit board still, that made a new rattle!  It is hard
to describe with what pleasure I removed that thing from my car.  In a
subtle way it was like banging my head on a wall.  It feels so good when you

Anyway, can anyone say how the metal plate that holds the buzzer, wiper
module & flasher is supposed to mount under the dash?  There are two sheet
metal clips, but they are facing different directions.  Does the thing go in
with a twist?  Or is one of the clips backwards?

Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 11
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:03:36 -0000
From: "shainbrannan" <>
Subject: Fan Delay Box

Hello Everyone,

I recently wanted to upgrade the fan relay so that I had a relay for 
each fan.  This was a rather simple task so I took it a step 
farther.  I added a daughter board i built so that the relays work in 
sequence.  The first fan turns on, then 8-10 seconds later the other 
turns on.  It's a cheap mans fanzilla,  but can be built from parts 
sold at a local radio shack.  If anyone is intrested i'll send you a 
diagram on how to build it,  if a few people want it i'll probably 
write up a decent how to.  


- Shain


Message: 12
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:51:24 EST
Subject: Re: Re: Noisy fuel pump (still!) (and again!)

Walt, I don't know what it is, but I had one fuel pump that made more noise, 
so I replaced it, and that was 2 1/2 years ago, I see no difference in hot or 
cold. I hear all the post about it, but have never experienced it myself, 110 
or 40 degrees, no difference. 
John Hervey

<< For John H,
 Except for the recent screeching sounds, this pump is as noisy as the one
 that came with the car.  So I suspect that the problem isn't the pump and
 more than likely just hot fuel for whatever reason.  You live in a hotter
 climate than I do, so have you noticed noisy pumps with hot fuel?


Message: 13
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:18:12 -0000
From: "stevepeck1" <>
Subject: Idle speed blues

My #3302 has been an absolute joy since the day two months ago when I 
rescued her from her naughty PO.  So what that something has broken 
EVERY SINGLE TIME I have driven her.

This week, I read in the archives thta the three brass screws on the 
intake manifold are to be lightly seated.  Did that, and the car now 
idles at 600RPM with no accessories on.

The idle motor vibrates with the engine off, so that's OK from one 
perspective (thank the wallet Gods).  The valve on the right valve 
cover (forgot that bugger's name) buzzes like an angry hornet, and 
the full throttle switch when pressed increases the idle about 50 RPM.

Now for the odd thing... There is a connector directly atop the 
splash shield (recall thing above the full throttle switch).  There 
is clearly a place for TWO plugs to connect there, but there is only 
one connector.  Maybe that's not odd?

Begging for suggestions.  I've searched the archive for HOURS!.

-Steve #3302


Message: 14
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 03:28:45 -0000
From: "john572905" <>
Subject: (transmission parts)

Is there a vendor who carries all the parts for a 5 speed manual 
transmission. The vendors I contacted only carry some minor parts. I 
want all the shaft seals, if not where would one go for these parts. 
John Cabral


Message: 15
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:35:51 -0000
From: "gr8old1" <>
Subject: Re: Concours bribes (Important concerns!)

[MODERATOR NOTE: I like a humorous thread as much as the next guy, maybe more.  But now you can stick a fork in this one.  - Mike Substelny, DML moderator of the week]

If anyone feels the need to bribe any judges, enter the scale model 
show. I'm sure i could be bribed pretty easily..


Jeff Chabotte


Message: 16
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 01:15:56 -0000
From: "shainbrannan" <>
Subject: Fan Relay Upgrade


I was wondering if someone had a diagram or a how to on how to modify 
the fan relay so that each has it's seprate relay?  I know a good 
amount of people have had good look with this setup.  Once i do this 
then i could come up with a microcontroller setup to have a delay so 
that the one fan comes on after the orgional, some sort of delay.

- Shain


Message: 17
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:36:22 -0600
From: "K Creason" <>
Subject: RE: DMC Pinewood Derby Car

Very nice!
I should've been so detailed...
Was the DeLorean dad's car or the boy's car?

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Mueller []
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:54 AM
Subject: [DML] DMC Pinewood Derby Car

> I finally got my pictures developed from our Pinewood Derby.
> I posted a photo in the Yahoo groups photo section in the
> Pinewood Derby folder.
> The races sure were fun.
> Scott Mueller
> 002981


Message: 18
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:48:56 EST
Subject: Possible Car Show

Hi, I believe I posted a while ago about a possible car show here in Richmond 
Virginia. I am 16 and the head of a Car Club at my school and have undertaken 
the task of organizing a Car Show on Campus of all exotic makes. I owned and 
restored an 1983 DeLorean (vin 16727) and would love if some of these exotic 
and beautiful cars near the VIrignia area would come. The show is open to 
lots of other makes too, Lotus, BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, 
but I need people committed to make this show happen. It will be on October 
6, Sunday and should prove to be a wonderful day to have many cars scattered 
around a beatiful school campus. PLease respond to my private email if you 
have interest and I am begging some of you to please show up, I want this 
show to be a success in showing the public the DeLorean car in setting among 


Message: 19
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 00:03:09 -0500
From: Jim Strickland <>
Subject: clearwater/tampa delorean

Hi, I was wondering if anyone on the list looked at a black delorean that
was for sale on ebay in the summer of 2000.
It was in clearwater, florida, and had a damaged rear fascia.

Does anyone on the list inspect this car?
If so, I would greatly appreciate if you contact me privately..


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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:05:43 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <>
Subject: DML Time Warp


Remember when I said that I approved some DML posts Monday that

Suddenly those messages have escaped the Yahoo black hole and are
hitting your mailbox this morning!

Please do not take these messages as an invitation to restart the
Concours thread or the model-bribery thread or any other digression.
Despite their five day journey from the past, these messages are stale.

- Mike Substelny
DML moderator of the week


Message: 21
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:59:37 EST
Subject: Re: Fan Relay Upgrade

Shain, The Fan Fix Dual 2 x 2 is made for each fan to run on is on relay. The 
way it's designed and wired, there is no need to stagger.
John Hervey


Message: 22
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:52:55 EST
Subject: DeLorean's GMC project in Automobile Magazine

The car that JZD wanted to build during his tenure at GMC, is featured in 
this month's AUTOMOBILE magazine.



Message: 23
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 01:36:46 -0700
From: "The Atkinson Family" <>
Subject: Re: A/C cycling switch

Hi John,

What can I say but wow!  I do have to admit though that the one thing I
don't understand "Yahh Sure" is what you mean by the blower speed.  Is that
the fan speed selected inside the car with the selector switch, positions 1
through 4?

I have a FanZilla so I also only have one C/B.  DMC Joe advised me after I
bought it that since the FanZilla already has C/B's there was no need for a
second as it would be redundant.  The car still has the other C/B though.  I
have a basic understanding of the cooling fans and there cycling with the
exception of some of the things you mentioned.

Those being "blower speed affect the cycling, sensitivity of the otterstat,
how circuit breaker reacts, low and high pressure switches affect the

The last I tend to confuse with the freon level.  I would think many if not
all members would benefit from an indepth explaination of the cooling fans
with the A/C on if nothing else.  When the A/C is off is fairly straight
forward, or is it.

In my case, the fans have cycled about every 5 seconds since having the
freon system serviced.  That's with the A/C on of course.  DMC Joe says I
should replace the cycle switch now that I have re-adjusted it as they are
preset at the factory.  I don't mind doing that but do wish the mistakes in
the article had been caught before I did this.  If anyone has any advise and
would like to let me know off list that would be fine.  I don't want to clog
up the list with the long explanations something like this might require.

The URL of the page in question is listed below.

Thank you

Mike Atkinson
vin 16232


Message: 24
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:24:40 EST
Subject: Re: Idle speed blues

Steve, Is your car automatic or standard. On the standars shift, all are not 
used. Sounds like everything is wired ok since the FTswitch is working and 
the idle speed motor is working. Re adjust the lower screw on the throttle 
arm to raise the idle if your trying to do that, then readjust the top screw 
to make sure the idle speed motor is still kicking in. It's on the site.
John Hervey


Message: 25
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:32:00 EST
Subject: Re: Fan Delay Box

I would like that info I am going to up grade my fans with fanzilla but by 
building this contol I will learn more about the electrical system. Thanks
John Cabral


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