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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 983
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:03 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. PNWD Club Memphis?
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>

2. RE: Window Track Tricks?
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

3. Getting people to club events...
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

4. Re: Black mast antenna
From: shain_at_dml_elecmods.com

5. Re: Window Track Tricks?
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>

6. Leather interior question
From: "sml5150" <sk1pper_at_dml_sk1pper.com>

7. front sway bar projects
From: "sml5150" <sk1pper_at_dml_sk1pper.com>

8. Arm rest removal, It's stuck!
From: "bob.hlavacek" <bob.hlavacek_at_dml_snet.net>

9. Search for Delorean Owner
From: Rendy Cheng <rcheng_at_dml_eng.umd.edu>

10. Cable replace (was Sticking Accelerator)
From: Holler <thehauntfactory_at_dml_att.net>

11. The Resurrection of Vixen Continues... (Honest! It Does!)
From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

12. Re: Yokohama AVS-I
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>

13. Stated value insurance. Who are you covered by?
From: "stevepeck1" <stevepeck1_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. Re: crutchfield delorean
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

15. White Hlouse Delorean sighting?
From: jj mccool <a230sl_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. Re: Yokohama AVS-I
From: "theshovel1224" <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. Re: White Hlouse Delorean sighting?
From: Jim Senft <jpsenft_at_dml_erols.com>

18. Starting a car club
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

19. Re: Arm rest removal, It's stuck!
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

20. Re: Arm rest removal, It's stuck!
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

21. Re: crutchfield delorean
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

22. Wet Driver Side Floor
From: "beatlesra1" <beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com>

23. Re: Leather interior question
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>

24. white house/ Deloreans at work
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

25. Re: Stated value insurance. Who are you covered by?
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:57:47 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_hscis.net>
Subject: PNWD Club Memphis?

Are there any members of the Pacific Northwest DeLorean Club going to
Memphis.  We will leave from SeaTac 12 June and back 17 June.
Murray and Bettye Fisher
Vin: 05962 Lic: DMC-XII


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:17:38 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: RE: Window Track Tricks?

I know this has been said before, but it bares repeating. To prevent the
stainless edges from slicing you up like a Ginsu, tape the edges with
electrical tape. It makes for a blood-free experience!


> While fiddling with my child-of-Satan window motors and before 
> getting things back in place, I discovered that the front bottom edge 
> of the white plastic window track was off the track.  After lots of 
> tiwsting and a little bleeding, I got things back on track.
> 



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:17:07 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: Getting people to club events...

Last week there was a discussion about getting people to come to club events.

This week I have seen a number of messages about clubs and events around the country including "surprises" to be featured at the events.

IMHO, if you are having some special item (or person, or discussion, etc) of interest at your event the best way to get the most mileage out of it is to TELL US WHAT IT IS!  I don't know about others, but the tease of a "surprise" does not generate much additional interest going to a particular event because hyped up surprises are usually a disappointment.  

The whole thing seems so silly, like we are in grade school..  "I know something you don't know!".


SO;  Ken, Dan, Rich....   What are your big surprises for the events you have planned?   Maybe you can increase your attendance if we knew what they were!



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:58:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: shain_at_dml_elecmods.com
Subject: Re: Black mast antenna

This doesn't happen to be a power antenna.  I have an extra stainless steel power antenna.

- Shain
#10140

----- In Response To -----

Does anyone know where to source a good quality black mast antenna, 
specifically the Harada RX 20 mentioned on the cross-reference page at 
dmc12.com?

   Don


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:19:18 -0000
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: Re: Window Track Tricks?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "stevepeck1" <stevepeck1_at_dml_y...> wrote:
<snip> 
> But after assembling everything, it popped off again.  this time, 
> totally off the track.
> 
> Is there any fix/trick to this?

I had a similar issue with my second DeLorean when I first got it 
where the window would often pop off the track. In my case the root 
cause of the problem was that the stop clamped halfway down the lift 
guide had slid down the channel slightly allowing the window to 
descend too far. When lowering the window it would travel too far 
down the track such that the guides at the bottom of the window 
carriage would travel past the bottom of the rails and pop off. In my 
case the fix as as simple as getting the stop in the right place.

The stop is pretty cludgy and I had a hard time getting to it. It 
also didn't seem to grip the channel well (which is probably why it 
had shifted downward in the first place). To improve this, I used a 
supplemental stop fashioned from a piece of rubber hose and a hose 
clamp tightened around the round window channel. There is no 
provision for tightening the clam in place (halfway down the interior 
of the door), but I tightened it up high on the channel where I could 
get at it until I could barely slide it down the channel and then 
slid it down and into place. The combination of the rubber stop and 
the original metal clamp gives me a secure stop at the right height 
preventing the window from descending past the bottom of the rails.

     Knut





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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:24:05 -0000
From: "sml5150" <sk1pper_at_dml_sk1pper.com>
Subject: Leather interior question

Aside from promissing my first born ( and teh left part of my anatamy 
that makes him, has anyone run across an interior 
place/worker/man/hick in the woods/hippie with a 58 merc. that can 
help change the color of some of our interior parts?




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:20:16 -0000
From: "sml5150" <sk1pper_at_dml_sk1pper.com>
Subject: front sway bar projects

So where do we stand on the front sway bar projects? since I now have 
to replace mine, iIm wondering if someone has come up with a better 
one? 




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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:05:52 -0400
From: "bob.hlavacek" <bob.hlavacek_at_dml_snet.net>
Subject: Arm rest removal, It's stuck!

I'm trying to get the armrest off to get at my window.  The screws on top
are out and the plastic barbs on the bottom are out, but it won't come off.
Something in the area of the hand hold is still attached, I think.  Does
anyone know what it is that's still attached, and where it is?

Thanks
Bob Hlavacek  10961





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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:05:29 -0700
From: Rendy Cheng <rcheng_at_dml_eng.umd.edu>
Subject: Search for Delorean Owner

Hi Everyone!

Is there any Delorean owner around Silicon Valley, California?
I thought it may be a good idea to have this info when help is needed.

thanks!

rendy cheng




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:08:27 -0700
From: Holler <thehauntfactory_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Cable replace (was Sticking Accelerator)


Hey Jim,

Only an owner since last July and not being car savvy (note disclaimer!), I discovered a
frayed accelerator cable as it comes out the sleeve at the engine end.  It looked like
one of those cartoon ropes that the coyote is hanging from -with one last thread holding
on!  I couldn't believe it!!!
After a local import garage wouldn't touch it, I took matters into my own hands, since
something had to be done.
I clipped the final 'thread', unhooked the simple attachment end at the pedal and pulled
it through.  Then with a fresh cable, I fed it through starting at the engine end of the
sleeve.  Got within inches of it coming out the other end,. . . and then it didn't.
Bummer.
After a few more tries, I figured I would feed it through from the pedal end.
It worked!
It helps to have a very clean, smooth end with no frays to catch and snag as it goes
through the sleeve.
Again, I'm still learning -yet I was successful with this maneuver, so I'm sure you can
do it.
Remember, this was for replacing the cable.  Your cable housing may be causing the
sticking issue.(?)
Sincerely,
Oliver Holler
#69104 (Time-Car)



dlrnjim wrote:

>
> How hard is it to replace the entire cable ? If you pull the complete
> cable out from the engine side, how do you install the new one?




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:10:28 -0400
From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: The Resurrection of Vixen Continues... (Honest! It Does!)

Hi All,

Well, I guess it has been almost a year since my last update, and many of you have asked me what I have done in that time.  The short answer is "nothing".  

I was waiting for quite some time for someone to pick up and repair my dented doors, T-panel & rear quarter.  When he was not able to pick them up, I brought them to him.  He was only able to repair the driver's door and the quarter.  So by the time I got them back, it was almost October, and a 1959 DeSoto (just love those "D-E" cars) fell into my lap.

Work on that car kept me away from my home garage for quite a while, but that has now ended.  It's a good thing, too, because It's only about 60 days until I have to leave for Memphis.  I'd like to finish the car up in the next 45 days, so I have a chance to break the car in a little bit before taking the big drive.  Although my car only has 1721.4 miles on her, she sat for almost 15 years completely disassembled.

I've finally started back in on the work that remains, and in the past few days I have painted the rear haunches, engine cover, and trunk compartment with a pebbled black truck bed liner.  Looks great, is unbelievable durable, and should last a long time.

I've also hung the hood on, and test hung my dented passenger door.

There are only a few major things left to do:

1) Purchase and install new passenger side door, install driver's door.
2) Install rear window.
3) Install and rebrush all stainless (and louver).
4) Install fascias.
5) Install new windshield.
6) Replace interior carpets.
7) Install new seat covers.
8) Install rest of interior.
9) Alignment.
10) Pennsylvania state inspection, road tests and power tuning, hopefully including a dyno test.

... so I'll be busy.  

For those of you who aren't familiar with my project, check out my website: http://www.ProjectVixen.com .  I'll have the webcam turned on again tonight most likely as well.

-Dave

Dave Stragand
VIN 05927



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:40:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>
Subject: Re: Yokohama AVS-I

The 235/60-15 is spoken for. Any 195s I can get my hands on are still
available.

And here's a question for you tire gurus. Given the lack of AVS-I tires,
people are (obviously) going to start hunting for the Next Best
Thing(tm). As most of us are aware by now, no manufacturer currently
makes a single model tire that will fit on our cars (fore *and* aft) in
the same speed rating as the yoko. So, here's the question: Is it (in
general, knowing full well that some tires are of inherently higher
quality that others) better to have a matched set of tires front and rear
at a lower speed rating, or a mismatched set of four (read: one type in
front and another in rear) at a higher speed rating? If the latter, has
anyone given thought to what combo would be best (or at least "a damn
sight better than the matched sets that are currently available")?

Noah
#2867

Here we have a game that combines the charm of a Pentagon briefing
with the excitement of double-entry bookkeeping. I don't get it.
                                        -- Cecil Adams, on D&D




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:43:26 -0000
From: "stevepeck1" <stevepeck1_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Stated value insurance. Who are you covered by?

Who writes stated value insurance at a fair rate?

Thanks.
-Steve
#3302




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:33:06 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: crutchfield delorean

In a message dated 4/10/02 10:42:24 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com writes:


> a couple of years ago i saw a delorean in a issue of crutchfield audio 
> magazine saying
> how nice crutchfiled helped him is this person on the DML? if so nice 
> picture.
> 
> mark
> 

Mark,

i inquired about this when that issue came out and no one stepped forward.  
ironicly, i called crutchfield once asking about speaker recommendations and 
when i said it was for a DeLorean, they told me they have no information for 
that vehicle and that means they will not help AT ALL.  they were very rude.

andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:39:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: jj mccool <a230sl_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: White Hlouse Delorean sighting?

My daughter had a field trip to the White House.  She
says she saw a DeLorean parked there, near the West
Wing.  Anyone on this park at the White House???
Jay

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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:19:55 -0000
From: "theshovel1224" <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yokohama AVS-I

Goodyear Eagle GTII's are available in both the front & rear
sizes & have a speed rating of 118 mph.

John Yeoman

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Noah <sitz_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> The 235/60-15 is spoken for. Any 195s I can get my hands on are still
> available.
> 
> And here's a question for you tire gurus. Given the lack of AVS-I tires,
> people are (obviously) going to start hunting for the Next Best
> Thing(tm). As most of us are aware by now, no manufacturer currently
> makes a single model tire that will fit on our cars (fore *and* aft) in
> the same speed rating as the yoko. So, here's the question: Is it (in
> general, knowing full well that some tires are of inherently higher
> quality that others) better to have a matched set of tires front and rear
> at a lower speed rating, or a mismatched set of four (read: one type in
> front and another in rear) at a higher speed rating? If the latter, has
> anyone given thought to what combo would be best (or at least "a damn
> sight better than the matched sets that are currently available")?
> 
> Noah
> #2867
> 
> Here we have a game that combines the charm of a Pentagon briefing
> with the excitement of double-entry bookkeeping. I don't get it.
>                                         -- Cecil Adams, on D&D





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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:34:02 -0400
From: Jim Senft <jpsenft_at_dml_erols.com>
Subject: Re: White Hlouse Delorean sighting?

Sharp eye!  That would be #5832.  She saw it the only day I drove it in.  BTW, it was
parked at the East Wing entrance, not theWest Wing.

Jim in Maryland
#5832

jj mccool wrote:

> My daughter had a field trip to the White House.  She
> says she saw a DeLorean parked there, near the West
> Wing.  Anyone on this park at the White House???
> Jay
>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:41:15 -0400
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Starting a car club

( If anyone can offer suggestions to Richard, please do it off the list as private emails.  Moderator)

This has to do with *starting* a car club, not maintaining one, and if the moderator feels this is too far off the topic of the list I understand.  But I have been attempting to start a classic car club in my area mainly for all types of exotic vehicles- gull wings, kit cars, Prowlers, basically anything anything rare and unique.  So far I have not had any luck by listing it on car web sites and was wondering if anyone had any advice.  I live in a decent sized area of central California but it is a big car town, and I know there are owners of these types of cars around but I just don't know the best way to even contact one of them on the net.  Does anyone know of any e-mail lists for exotic/classics which I may luck out on? 

Thanks for any help,

Richard 



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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:45:52 -0500
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Arm rest removal, It's stuck!

There are two 10mm bolt at the top of the arm rest by the handle. They 
are very tricky to get out.  you need at least a 8" extension to you 
spin tight handle and the 10mm socket.  I use a flashlight with the 
handle plastic insert removed to better see these bolts.
BOB

bob.hlavacek wrote:

>I'm trying to get the armrest off to get at my window.  The screws on top
>are out and the plastic barbs on the bottom are out, but it won't come off.
>Something in the area of the hand hold is still attached, I think.  Does
>anyone know what it is that's still attached, and where it is?
>
>Thanks
>Bob Hlavacek  10961
>
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:02:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Arm rest removal, It's stuck!

Just figured this one out myself. After you remove the 4 or so screws and
the plastic barbs, there's one step left. You've got to remove the plastic
trim that goes around the inside door handle/lock (by lifting up the
handle and sliding it out) and remove the mirror switch (drivers side) or
the plastic filler piece (passenger side). Now look in where the mirror
switch was (or the filler piece) and you'll see a 10mm bolt. Take it out,
along with the other one just like it a little further back. The one
closer to the rear of the door is somewhat obstructed by one of the door
lock rods, but it can just be pushed out of the way.

No you should be able to take the lower door panel off.

-Christian

On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, bob.hlavacek wrote:

> I'm trying to get the armrest off to get at my window.  The screws on top
> are out and the plastic barbs on the bottom are out, but it won't come off.
> Something in the area of the hand hold is still attached, I think.  Does
> anyone know what it is that's still attached, and where it is?
>
> Thanks
> Bob Hlavacek  10961
>
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:38:08 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: crutchfield delorean

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> i inquired about this when that issue came out and no one 
stepped forward.  
> ironicly, i called crutchfield once asking about speaker 
recommendations and 
> when i said it was for a DeLorean, they told me they have no 
information for 
> that vehicle and that means they will not help AT ALL.  they 
were very rude.
<SNIP>

You have to remember one thing. Whenever you call someone 
over the phone now adays, you're probably only talking to a 
company that has subcontracted out a call center. Everyone 
does it now; Sony, Ford, BellSouth, Sprint, UPS, Logitech, Dell, 
etc... So remember, you're usualy talking to someone that 
doesn't know about their products. They only know if a customer 
says "A", reply with "B", that's all. So when it comes to your 
DeLorean (or any other consumer product for that matter), if you 
don't get the answer you want the first time, call back again. 
You'd be surprised the kind of "night & day" responses you'll get.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:45:24 -0000
From: "beatlesra1" <beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Wet Driver Side Floor

The temp got to 70 here in northern Ohio today and I washed my car! 
problem is the driver side floor is wet but not the floor mat! I do 
notice a lot of water collecting around the gas cap everytime I wash 
the car, no draining there... does anyone no where this water on the 
driver side could be coming from?

Thanks,Chuck
Vin #6125




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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:01:55 -0700
From: "Payne" <bpayne_at_dml_macnet.com>
Subject: Re: Leather interior question

I had a hole in the drivers seat and many cracks from age.  A local guy near
me (Oregon) who restores interiors was able to patch the hole, fill the
cracks, and re-dye both seats to ther original color.  Nobody can even tell
there was a hole there and it's as strong as it ever was new.  I'm sure
anyone who does this type of work could dye it any color you like.  He also
claims he can fix the cracks in my instrument binnacle if I can remove it
for him.

payne


> Aside from promissing my first born ( and teh left part of my anatamy
> that makes him, has anyone run across an interior
> place/worker/man/hick in the woods/hippie with a 58 merc. that can
> help change the color of some of our interior parts?
>





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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:15:42 -0500
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: white house/ Deloreans at work

if they did, they might be at liberty to say.
I know I'm not at liberty to discuss what I do.
If I did, I would have to ps -u you && kill -9....

Heh-heh. Unix humor.

We've got two 12's at the Johnson Space Center, though the other owner has
not been very sociable so far. I'm pretty sure I'm considered sociable, for
a sysadmin.

What other places host more than one 12? (besides those multi-owners'
garages)

-----Original Message-----
From: jj mccool [mailto:a230sl_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:40 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] White Hlouse Delorean sighting?


My daughter had a field trip to the White House.  She
says she saw a DeLorean parked there, near the West
Wing.  Anyone on this park at the White House???
Jay

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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:32:56 -0000
From: "carnut4849" <gmfm1_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Re: Stated value insurance. Who are you covered by?

Don't go for stated value insurance. Go for agreed value insurance. 
With stated value, you may have to prove after the accident that your 
car is worth what you stated its value at. With agreed value, the 
insurance company has already agreed to the car's value. I am with 
Haggerty, insured for $20,000.00 with a premimum of $309.00 for a 
year. There are restrictions of course, but all of the collector car 
insurance companies have about the same restrictions.
Happy hunting,
Gary Masie

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "stevepeck1" <stevepeck1_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Who writes stated value insurance at a fair rate?
> 
> Thanks.
> -Steve
> #3302




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