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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 984
Date: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:34 AM

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Cable replace (was Sticking Accelerator)
From: "dlrnjim" <>

2. Hey Rich, i got bored
From: "James LaLonde" <>

3. Re: Stated value insurance. Who are you covered by?

4. Re: front sway bar projects
From: "Walter Coe" <>

5. Re: Re: Yokohama AVS-I
From: "Walter Coe" <>

6. Re: Arm rest removal, It's stuck!
From: "Walter Coe" <>

7. Minnesota Spring DeLorean Meet
From: Jim Reeve <>

8. Re: Wet Driver Side Floor
From: Christian Williams <>

9. Re: Search for Delorean Owner
From: illyana delorean <>

10. Last day to Register for Hotel...
From: "Dan RC30" <>

11. Re: Alternative Tyres
From: Martin Gutkowski <>

12. Re: Arm rest removal, It's stuck!
From: Martin Gutkowski <>

13. Re: Leather interior question
From: Martin Gutkowski <>

14. Out of storage
From: "erikgeerdink" <>

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:41:54 -0000
From: "dlrnjim" <>
Subject: Re: Cable replace (was Sticking Accelerator)

Thanks, Oliver --

You know, I got to looking at my cable today (with my glasses on) and 
I can't find any frays, or cuts anywhere. That makes me really wonder 
what's going on here ! I replaced the coiled spring in the bellcrank 
assembly today - I had ordered the part earlier, just in case. I am 
going to attempt to lubricate the cable completely and see what 
happens. The car has never been rained on, is stored in a secure 
climate controlled garage, and no one has attempted to adjust the 

Thanks to everyone on the board that has responded to my problem!

I'll keep looking until I find the problem.



Message: 2
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:13:18 -0400
From: "James LaLonde" <>
Subject: Hey Rich, i got bored

i uploaded (twice, accidentally... look at the second one i blured it to
make a look a bit better) to the misc. section a picture of your conv.

i got bored tonight, and was just messin' around. feel free to use it,
though it's probably far from what you are gonna end up with (by that i mean
yours will be better...IE real  : P )

i like the side stripes... my car has em' so.....

Good job, on both Cars Rich i'm behind your ideas all the way!!
-james 01697


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:22:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Stated value insurance. Who are you covered by?

Try American National Property And Casualty.   


Message: 4
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:34:33 -0400
From: "Walter Coe" <>
Subject: Re: front sway bar projects

That would be one of my many pet projects.  I was waiting for some wheel
alignment fixtures to show up via UPS which came yesterday.  I unpacked the
stuff, set it up and realized that it won't take the measurements that I
need, but it will align the wheels.  I was hoping that I could get someone
to send me a copy of the original factory engineering drawings (even with a
$1000 bribe in the deal) but there are a LOT of politics involved.  I have
promised a bunch of people convex side mirror glasses for their D's which I
need to get done first.  I also need to finish my income tax, but that is
getting extended anyway.  Basically I'm just waiting for the notion to
strike to take the sway bar off of my car and take a lot of measurements and
make some drawings.  I have a sway bar off of a wrecked car, but it is too
bent to get reliable measurements from.

If anyone would like to help, I would like to come up with an average
measurement on the sway bar.  It needs to be off the car to get this
measurement.  The measurement I need is the distance between the center of
the threaded ends that go into the front lower control arm.  I need it in
metric but don't mind converting if you can only do it the SAE way.  I hope
to have it done in time to bring a few prototypes to Memphis.

Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 5
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:21:27 -0400
From: "Walter Coe" <>
Subject: Re: Re: Yokohama AVS-I

I wasn't excited about buying the last few of the remaining Yokos and then
risk damaging one and not being able to match it.  So I bought Michelin
Pilots from  They have the same tread front-to-back, same
speed rating, same look, etc.  I am very happy with them.  And I can get an
exact replacement for one of them if I need to.

Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:40:07 -0400
From: "Walter Coe" <>
Subject: Re: Arm rest removal, It's stuck!

There is a right way and a wrong way.  The DML archives have plenty of
examples of the wrong way where people suggest getting a real long
screwdriver and taking the handle loose from the bracket.

The right way is to take the bracket off of the inner door while the handle
and lower door panel are still together.  You reach in diagonally from over
the top of the lower door panel.  There will be two fasteners -- either
large philips screws or hex head bolts.  You will need to lift the door
handle up (as though you were opening the door from the inside) to get to
one of the bolts.  To get to the other you need to push/flex one of the door
lock rods out of the way.  If your car has bolts, it is better to use 1/4"
sockets/drives rather than the larger 3/8" because you are cramped for room
in there.

Walt    Tampa, FL


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:51:19 -0500
From: Jim Reeve <>
Subject: Minnesota Spring DeLorean Meet

Attention all Minnesota DeLorean owners/enthusiasts.  The following is a
message sent to the local MNDMC group.  If live in or near Minnesota,
this will be of interest to you...

Ok everybody, this may not be as advanced notice as some would like, but
here it is anyhow.  The Minnesota DeLorean Club will be having its
spring meet on Saturday, May 4th.  There is nothing fancy going on here,
just lunch, and if you wish to stick around and do some work on the cars
afterwards, your more than welcome to.

The meet will take place at Latuff's Pizzeria in Plymouth, MN at
12:00pm.  This restaurant is where a few of us met at a year ago when
Ken Koncelik (organizer of the semi-annual DeLorean Car Show) was in
town.  They have some of the best pizza in the state, along with a good
selection of other American and Italian foods.  They are located at
11255 Hwy 55 PLYM MN 55441-6099.  You can find a map here...

Just a note, the restaurant is located on the south side of Hwy 55 in
the Plymouth Shopping Center, the map makes it appear on the north side
of the highway.  If anybody needs detailed directions, please email me
at, or ultra(at) if you reading this from the web.

If anybody has any technical questions, feel free to come and ask them,
as a few of us are quite DeLorean-Savvy.  Also, if anybody needs
mechanical or other assistance on their car, anybody who wants to help
out can stay afterwards and do so.

So mark your calendars, Saturday May 4th, 12:00pm.  This is nothing
formal or fancy, there are no dues with the exception of the food you
eat.  This is just a bunch of local DeLorean owners getting together
like they should, to have lunch, talk, and help each other out with
their cars.  I hope to see you there.
Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club


Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:27:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <>
Subject: Re: Wet Driver Side Floor

Get ready for a lot of fun! I also thought that my drivers side floor was
wet from a carwash, but it turned out that there was a leak in the clutch
master cylinder. Same thing, the floormats were only a little wet on the
underside. Even though I knew that a wet drivers side floor usually means
clutch master (or brake master), it didn't really smell like brake fluid
and i thought for sure that the floor must have just been damp from the
car wash.

Check out those cylinders.


On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, beatlesra1 wrote:

> The temp got to 70 here in northern Ohio today and I washed my car!
> problem is the driver side floor is wet but not the floor mat! I do
> notice a lot of water collecting around the gas cap everytime I wash
> the car, no draining there... does anyone no where this water on the
> driver side could be coming from?
> Thanks,Chuck
> Vin #6125
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:16:26 -0700
From: illyana delorean <>
Subject: Re: Search for Delorean Owner

didn't someone on the list say that steve jobs (from apple computers) 
had a delorean? or maybe they just got a compliment from him - i 
can't remember!


>Hi Everyone!
>Is there any Delorean owner around Silicon Valley, California?
>I thought it may be a good idea to have this info when help is needed.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:19:07 -0400
From: "Dan RC30" <>
Subject: Last day to Register for Hotel...

Today is the last day to be guaranteed a room at the Hampton Inn in Flemington, NJ for the Mid-Atlantic Spring Social 4/26-4/28. After today (4/12), they will no longer hold any rooms for our group. So, if you think you want a room, call them now!  To book your room, call 908-284-9427 and tell them you'd like to reserve a room with the "Mid-Atlantic DeLorean Club". Then you're guaranteed our special rate. Remember, this hotel books quickly! Please don't procrastinate. I honestly have no way to get you a room if the hotel is booked.

Remember! Since last year was so successful (33 cars!), we're having a car show this year where you can compete for awards! It's a people's choice award, so anyone can win! (except for me. Slight conflict of interest there ;).) Anyway, shine up your car and bring it up for the show. Don't forget that Rob Grady will be there performing inspections and minor repairs on the vehicles. He intends on road testing them too! There will also be raffles, food, music, and various items for sale to help benefit the club; like t-shirts, "DeLorean parking only" signs etc. And club members get their torsion bars adjusted for free! It's gonna be a blast again this year!!!

Well, I hope to see you all there that weekend! E-mail me if you have any questions:


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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:38:19 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <>
Subject: Re: Alternative Tyres

I keep bantering on about this, but over here in the UK, in my opinion 
(and anyone who's been in my car agrees) that my Pirelli P600s on the 
back and P6000s on the front are fantastic.

The P6000 supercedes the P600 but the rear size is not made in a P6000 
and the fronts are no longer available as P600. The P600s are W rated 
and the P6000s  are V and have a different tread pattern. The writing on 
the side-wall is almost identical.

 The ride is positive and cornering is a breeze - it's very hard to even 
get squeal from the back, let alone loosing it. With TABs torqued 
properly, my car corners like its on rails - James Russel-Grant was a 
passenger in my car and was positively shocked when I took a corner fast 
enough that his foot was searching for "the invisible brake pedal"! He 
has BFGoodrich's on his car.


Noah wrote:

>The 235/60-15 is spoken for. Any 195s I can get my hands on are still
>And here's a question for you tire gurus. Given the lack of AVS-I tires,
>people are (obviously) going to start hunting for the Next Best
>Thing(tm). As most of us are aware by now, no manufacturer currently
>makes a single model tire that will fit on our cars (fore *and* aft) in
>the same speed rating as the yoko. So, here's the question: Is it (in
>general, knowing full well that some tires are of inherently higher
>quality that others) better to have a matched set of tires front and rear
>at a lower speed rating, or a mismatched set of four (read: one type in
>front and another in rear) at a higher speed rating? If the latter, has
>anyone given thought to what combo would be best (or at least "a damn
>sight better than the matched sets that are currently available")?


Message: 12
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:45:59 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <>
Subject: Re: Arm rest removal, It's stuck!

There are instructions in the DMCNews tech section on how to remove the 
door trim and also how to get to these bolts - but don't do what I did 
and destroy your mirror switch trying to remove it! You need to take out 
the mirror switch in order to access one of these bolts

I would disagree with Bob - getting the bolts OUT is not a problem. 
Getting the buggers back IN, now that's another story...


Robert Brandys wrote:

>There are two 10mm bolt at the top of the arm rest by the handle. They 
>are very tricky to get out.  you need at least a 8" extension to you 
>spin tight handle and the 10mm socket.  I use a flashlight with the 
>handle plastic insert removed to better see these bolts.


Message: 13
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:58:20 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <>
Subject: Re: Leather interior question

Hi Payne

I had a chat with the guy who does interior repairs for my garage, and 
what he told me makes sense. He said he can repair the cracks in the 
dash, but they wouldn't last long. The reason the dash has cracked in 
the first place is that the vinyl has dried out and does not flex with 
the movement of the car as it should. Repairing the cracks by filing 
them in would not get to the root cause.

Some people may remmeber Paul Salsbury has located the original firm 
responsible for trimming the DeLorean interior (and more specifically 
the seats). He negotiated a price for complete leather re-skinning of 
the seats, and it's my top priority in my car. I also plan on getting 
the dash, binnacle and centre console re-trimmed in full leather (being 
black, it's a bit easier). Ironically it works out cheaper than buying 
new parts, and despite the "unoriginality", having the work performed by 
the original suppliers is quite attractive. I also expect it to help the 
awful road noise I get.


Payne wrote:

>I had a hole in the drivers seat and many cracks from age.  A local guy near
>me (Oregon) who restores interiors was able to patch the hole, fill the
>cracks, and re-dye both seats to ther original color.  Nobody can even tell
>there was a hole there and it's as strong as it ever was new.  I'm sure
>anyone who does this type of work could dye it any color you like.  He also
>claims he can fix the cracks in my instrument binnacle if I can remove it
>for him.


Message: 14
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:44:08 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <>
Subject: Out of storage

I finally took 4512 out of storage yesterday.   I threw in the 
battery, and she started right up without hesitation.  I haven't seen 
her since last September :(  I took a little joy ride around the 
town.  I won't be able to do any more driving until I get my TAB's in 
the mail.  She is pulling to the right, and I know its not the 
4512 and I will see you all in Memphis!



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