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Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 5:31 AM

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: aluminum reservoir
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

2. Spring Social Ininerary...
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

3. fuel tank removal?
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

4. Spring Social
From: "turbodmc3113" <turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. RE: Re: high hydrocarbon in exhaust
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

6. Intermittent wackiness
From: "cdrugly" <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

7. Re: Mileage tracking for the show
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

8. Propane/Freon
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

9. Re: high hydrocarbon in exhaust
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. Re: Re: high hydrocarbon in exhaust
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

11. Re: Front coil springs
From: "graves_14" <tylergraves_at_dml_hotmail.com>

12. RE: Propane/Freon
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

13. Re: DeLorean for Sale
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com

14. Re: Propane/Freon
From: "davvet2" <davvet2_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. Re: high hydrocarbon in exhaust
From: "rendy_cheng" <rcheng_at_dml_eng.umd.edu>

16. Re: Intermittent wackiness
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

17. Freon/Propane/Butane
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>

18. Virginia British Car Show
From: "Rob Hook" <rob_hook_at_dml_cavtel.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:48:21 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: aluminum reservoir

Hi,
    If anyone knows how to properly use this special solder I will pay you to 
solder the neck back on to my tank.  Until I get this problem fixed, no more 
driving the D!  Help!


Thanks
David



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:47:18 -0400
From: "Dan RC30" <Danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Spring Social Ininerary...

 

Group,

Here's the itinerary for this weekends Mid-Atlantic Spring Social in Flemington NJ. This event is open to anyone. For info on the event visit: http://hometown.aol.com/dmc3360/social.html 





Friday:

6:00pm: Meet in Hotel foyer to gather in conference room for Rob Grady to answer any of your technical questions. This is also when you can put your name on the list for either your car to be inspected on the lift the next day or to have your torsion bars adjusted by David T.

 

7:00pm: Dinner at the (fabulous) Italian restaurant.

 

After dinner, whoever wants to can take a drive over to Friday's and enjoy a few beverages.

 

Saturday:

9:00am: Depart the Hotel and head towards Don's Jaguar service where cars will be inspected, torsion bars will be adjusted, lunch will be available, and where the car show will be. Car show registration will end at 12:00pm. 

 

5:00pm: Trophies/awards will be awarded.

 

6:00pm: Event ends. Then everyone heads back to the hotel to get ready for dinner. 

 

7:00pm: Depart the hotel to have dinner at the China Buffet. 

 

After dinner, whoever wants to can take a drive over to Jakes and enjoy a few beverages.

 

Sunday:

8:00am: Depart the hotel and head down to Raceway Park in Englishtown, NJ to compete in the car show. Stay as long as you want!!!

 

Other Info:

Don's Jaguar is located at:

22 Junction Rd.

Flemington, NJ 08822

908-788-1982

 

Hampton Inn

14-B Royal Road

Flemington, NJ 08822

908-284-9427

 

(Itinerary times are approximate and may change without notice)

Any questions? Feel free to drop me an e-mail. Thanks. See ya there!!!

---Dan


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:52:22 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: fuel tank removal?


Hello All,

  I recently replaced my leaking master cylinder, and I know I have some bad
epoxy in the fuel tank area.  Do I need to empty the fuel tank (i.e. recent
thread)  in order to remove it to access this area for POR15 repair?  If
not, how do I go about removing it?

Thanks,

-Hank Eskin





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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:16:04 -0000
From: "turbodmc3113" <turbodmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Spring Social

I will only be able to make it on Sat.
Anyone from Long Island who would like to caravan with me from Nasssau
please contact me privatly _at_dml_ turbodmc(AT)hotmail.com

I will be leaving around 9:00-9:30 am and it is aprox 2 hours from 
central Nassau.

For those of you who have never been to this event, you don't want to 
miss it! This is always a great Delorean event!

Regards,

Mike D.
vin 3113
NY Lic. DLORIANN




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:00:53 -0500
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Re: high hydrocarbon in exhaust

I had the same problem a year ago (fails on HC [and CO] on low idle).
I took it to DMC Houston and they "adjust Fuel mixture" according to my
invoice.
This year I took it in for exhaust manifold gaskets and we found the cat was
collapsed and half packed full. So you've already taken care of that-- so
I'd say a fuel mixture adjustment.
Does your car also do lots of idle hunting? Mine did, before the adjustment.
And the exhaust was very strong fuelly smell.

DMCH probably isn't convenient to you, but you can probably find someone
nearby or get enough information from this list to help you adjust the fuel
mixture. Sorry that I can't give you more information about the adjustment--
that is the con with living in the same metro area-- that I tend to take
things to them to save myself time and curse words. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: rendy_cheng [mailto:rcheng_at_dml_eng.umd.edu]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:20 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: high hydrocarbon in exhaust




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:25:48 -0000
From: "cdrugly" <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: Intermittent wackiness

Well, I got the new vacuum solenoid in and my problems have 
decreased. The cars runs much better, but I still get a bit of 
sluggishness in the upper parts of 1st and 2nd gear.

While I was letting it warm up yesterday, the engine would rev up to 
about 5000 RPM for no reason even though the throttle was not 
pressed... it just went crazy. The only way to stop it was to cut the 
engine. When I decided to take it on the road, I didn't have this 
problem anymore. I drove it for a good while and never got it to 
happed at a stop or anywhere on the road.

I also noticed that my timing was spot on. When I hit the throttle, 
the timing would advance but never return. To make it go back, I 
would have to pull the vacuum tube off of the solenoid. When I put it 
back on, the timing remained normal until I revved the engine again. 
The microswitch is grounding correctly and the solenoid seems to be 
funtioning correctly as well (better be, it's brand spanking new).

As I hunt for vacuum leaks, I hear a hissing coming from the plug 
that covers the CO adjustment screw in themixture control unit. Is 
this normal? I don't remember it, but that doesn't mean it wasn't 
there all along. 

I know the O-ring beneath the fuel distributor needs to be replaced. 
It was pretty much gone and I replaced it with liquid gasket until I 
can order a new one. Also, I removed the mixture control unit. Does 
this mean it's gasket needs to be replaced as well (like the manual 
suggests)?

Finally, the last 2 points of the equation. My idle is higher than it 
should be 1200-1500 RPM and my engine is running too rich. I always 
end of smelling like gasoline when I get done hovering over the 
engine. 

Suggestions, sympathy? Should I drive it into deep cravass? Maybe it 
would run better at the bottom of a lake...

Travis
#3512




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:43:08 -0400
From: "Hank Eskin" <heskin_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Mileage tracking for the show

Ok, I got some interesting feedback for my idea... so I whipped up a web
page to capture all the info needed.

If you are going to the show, it takes only 30 seconds to enter your
information, and you can be entirely anonymous if you choose to be.

The more people who sign up, the more accurate the analysis will be.  Please
take a minute or two to check it out. Thanks. All you need to do now is
enter your "estimated"  round trip mileage to the show, and when you return,
you can enter your actual mileage and fuel used, if you tracked that during
your trip.

The interface supports multiple events, so now there are two events it can
track - the Memphis show, and the upcoming Spring Social in NJ.  If you have
an event you want included, please email me.

You don't need to enter your info to see the results.

Here is the URL:   http://www.eskin.net/delorean/tracker.php   It's simple
and pretty much self-explanatory.

Enjoy!

-Hank





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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:58:41 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Propane/Freon

Has anyone ever experienced Propane packed up in a Freon can or is this
the usual BS from the naysayers?

Les




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:58:44 -0000
From: "jtrealtywebspannet" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: high hydrocarbon in exhaust

If you have replaced everything correctly then it is time to set the 
mixture screw on the metering unit. This needs to be done on an 
exhaust gas analyzer. This is also assuming that there are no vacuum 
leaks and the idle motor system is set-up and running correctly. Make 
sure the 3 brass screws on the air inlet are lightly seated closed. 
Listen for the frequency valve buzzing. The last thing could be a fuel 
injector not squirting right. One cylinder not running right could be 
causing the problem.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "rendy_cheng" <rcheng_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> <This is from original question poster>
> After following the advise on this forum, I have replace the O2 
> sensor, spark plugs, spark plug wires, Dis cap, dis rotor.
> Earlier today, I had my car smog check again..  



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:51:37 -0500
From: Robert Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Re: high hydrocarbon in exhaust

Rendy,

What state are you in?  I have been involved with emission testing of 
cars since the 1970s.   Overall your car emssions are quite low.   I am 
suprised that the idle HC  limit is lower than the High rpm HC limit. 
 This is ususally not the case because the converter runs a little 
cooler at idle.  

I also find it a little unusual that these standards are so tight for a 
1981 vehicle. Again, with age, the standards usually become less 
restrictive. Higher mileage vehicles will have less restrictive test 
standards.

Lowering HC less at idle to below 120 ppm is tough. Since you have 
alreadly dealt with the likely ignition causes, this does not leave much 
other choice than replacing the converter.  However, it is not typical 
for a converter to be worn out after so few miles.

Your low idle CO indicates the A/F ratio is good. Usually, a bad 
converter goes a much higher CO level.

How, often is your car driven.  ?  Your converter may just need a good 
2-3 ride on the highway to burn off a lot of low temperature 
contamination.  

I would try this first and then retest the car before changing the 
converter.

BOB

rendy_cheng wrote:

><This is from original question poster>
>After following the advise on this forum, I have replace the O2 
>sensor, spark plugs, spark plug wires, Dis cap, dis rotor.
>Earlier today, I had my car smog check again..  Guess what?  It 
>failed the test again.  Result from the test are following :
>
>HC (ppm)    Max allow:150     My car: 111,
>CO (%)      Max allow:1.50        My car: 0.54
>CO2 (%)    Max allow:NA          My car: 13.8
>O2 (%)      Max allow:NA          My car: 1.1
>RPM                    2466
>
>So... for high RPM, it is okay.  The following values are from idle 
>case.
>
>HC (ppm)    Max allow:120     My car: 241 (too high)
>CO (%)      Max allow:1.50        My car: 0.67
>CO2 (%)    Max allow:NA          My car: 13.4
>O2 (%)      Max allow:NA          My car: 1.5
>RPM                    734
>
>Other than catalytic converter, what else can be the cause of 
>this..
>

>



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:51:18 -0000
From: "graves_14" <tylergraves_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Front coil springs

Paul,

  Having attempted the spring removal and installation myself, I 
honestly think bringing it to a local shop is the only way to do 
this. It took my local shop half a day and three (3) guys to get the 
springs off on at a time. They had to cut one of the springs out as 
well for some reason. These guys have all the equipment, so it wasn't 
a mom&pop shop; they knew what they were doing. I couldn't even get 
the upper or lower ball joint released, so I didn't get very far on 
my own.

Tyler

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> Can any one give me a step by step idiots guide to changing front 
coil
> springs....
> 
> I have new springs and fancy doing the job tomorrow.
> 
> Thanks
> Paul
> #6463
> 
> www.paul.salsbury.btinternet.co.uk




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:33:10 -0400
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Propane/Freon

Unless you are going to go out and buy a refrigerant analyzer (Snap-On sells one for $2000, Item# EEAC312C), I would only buy refrigerant from a known reliable source.  I know of some professional mechanics that always test their refrigerant when the receive it from their supplier, and even then sometimes it is contaminated.  If the "reputable" sources let the contaminated refrigerants get though (and we must assume they TRY to have quality control), then how can you expect to get a quality product from a unknown source?  

Sure, you may get lucky and get some pure R-12.. But with the number of other refrigerants and blends in the wild these days and poor quality mechanics (either because they don't know how to do the job, or don't care to do it correctly) the odds are that a given sample of refrigerant will be contaminated (IMHO).

So, do you feel lucky?  Or do you want to risk doing expensive damage to your air conditioning system?? Or even worse, cause a major explosion if are unlucky enough to pump propane, or butane in to your system?

BTW, I found this interesting page on R-12 blends:  http://www.refrigerant-supply.com/r-12.htm
I did not know R-209 was actually Propane, and R-600 is Butane.  Blend the 2 of them and you have the OZ-12 "Replacement" for R-12..  I don't know about you, I don't want a mix of Propane and Butane (under pressure!) in the AC system of my car!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Huckins [mailto:jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:59 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Propane/Freon
> 
> 
> Has anyone ever experienced Propane packed up in a Freon can 
> or is this
> the usual BS from the naysayers?
> 
> Les
> 
> 

> 
> 



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:36:19 -0400
From: billschaferabn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean for Sale

The $8,000.00 81 is no longer for sale. It sold for the asking price the first day it was in the paper.

Bill



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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:33:33 -0000
From: "davvet2" <davvet2_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Propane/Freon

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_y..., Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Has anyone ever experienced Propane packed up in a Freon can or is 
this
> the usual BS from the naysayers?
> 
> Les

Les,

The fact that some people are selling R-12 in Mexico that is propane 
or is mixed with propane is not BS! I am 400 miles from the Mexican 
border, and see it happen all the time. It's gotten so bad that the 
car dealership I worked for had to buy a $1500.00 refrigerant ID tool 
to make sure that the cars traded in to us had R-12 in the system, 
and not propane. I don't know if they are packaging the propane in R-
12 cans; they could be selling it out of a tank there. This is a very 
real and very serious problem! All it takes is a small leak in the 
system, and a spark ---- and the car and driver are toast.




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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:05:18 -0000
From: "rendy_cheng" <rcheng_at_dml_eng.umd.edu>
Subject: Re: high hydrocarbon in exhaust

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your input. I am living in CA and I have been driving 
this car daily for past 6 months.  I only thing I can do right now is 
adjusting air/fuel ratio with exhaust analyzer.  

rendy

> Rendy,
> 
> What state are you in?  I have been involved with emission 
testing of 
> cars since the 1970s.   Overall your car emssions are quite 
low.   I am 
> suprised that the idle HC  limit is lower than the High rpm HC 
limit. 
>  This is ususally not the case because the converter runs a 
little 
> cooler at idle.  



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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:51:14 -0400
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Intermittent wackiness

Travis, Replace the Warm up regulator/CPR. That should fix the problem. I have them in stock.
John Hervey
www.special T auto.com
 



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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:30:27 +0000
From: Les Huckins <jhuckins_at_dml_cybersurfers.net>
Subject: Freon/Propane/Butane

Those were great responses, see how much you can learn if you phrase
your question carefully :-)

Les




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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:58:29 -0400
From: "Rob Hook" <rob_hook_at_dml_cavtel.net>
Subject: Virginia British Car Show

There is a British car show at the Woodlawn plantation in Alexandria
Virginia this Sunday, April 28th, from 9 to 3.  I haven't attended any of
the British shows there but the German show is always very interesting and
had some EXTREMELY rare cars (BMW 507 for example).

The Woodlawn plantation is located just north of Ft. Belvoir in Rt 1.  Take
the Rt. 1 south exit off of the beltway, go about 9 miles and look for the
plantation on the right, just after Sacramento shopping center.  If you pass
Ft. Belvoir, you've gone too far.

For more information, contact (and no, I am NOT making this up) Charlie
Brown at (703)527-3298 or go to www.capitaltriumphregister.com .

--Rob





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