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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1330
Date: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:44 AM

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: carpets in any color availible.
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

2. GEICO Insurance Co.
From: "Frederick R. Embden" <fembden_at_dml_tco.com>

3. Fan Fail Relay
From: "drdhdmd <doctordhd_at_dml_aol.com>" <doctordhd_at_dml_aol.com>

4. Re: vapor canister...
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

5. Re: DeLorean's GTO is back
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>

6. What is "Manifest 10"
From: "Avi" <ksarfaraz123_at_dml_attbi.com>

7. Re: What is "Manifest 10"
From: "Dave Swingle <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>

8. Re: GEICO Insurance Co.
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

9. Exotic owners' code of conduct
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

10. Dakota Digital Dash
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

11. Re: GEICO Insurance Co.
From: DesignDayPlanner_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: GEICO Insurance Co.
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

13. Re: GEICO Insurance Co.
From: "Bill <bill221_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <bill221_at_dml_hotmail.com>

14. Re: What is "Manifest 10"
From: "ksgrimsr <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>

15. Re: Exotic owners' code of conduct
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

16. Rear ended and insurance
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>

17. sorry to bug you
From: "sarcasmgirl16 <sarcasmgirl16_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <sarcasmgirl16_at_dml_yahoo.com>

18. Re: Fan Fail Relay
From: "Harold McElraft <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

19. Re: GEICO Insurance Co.
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

20. DMC BTTF model
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

21. RE: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 21:43:01 EST
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: carpets in any color availible.

Hello,
     I had a carpet set made from Hydro-E-lectric two years ago.  The gray 
carpet they have is a close match to the original.  The sections are not 
molded for the DMC but are actually different pieces stitched together and 
they fit quite well.  The vinyl trim around the door sills etc are already 
stitched into the carpet so it is quite easy to install.  Its not a bad deal 
considering how much NOS carpet is.

peace

Dave
#6286


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:59:57 -0500
From: "Frederick R. Embden" <fembden_at_dml_tco.com>
Subject: GEICO Insurance Co.

A question for the group.
Does anyone here have their D insured at GEICO.  I wanted to add my D to my
policy to use as a daily driver, and they are saying the Delorean was not
built for the US and I have to prove that it was DOT approved for the US
market.  I can't repeat the names I call their staff, but the conversation
did not go well.

Frederick Embden





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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 04:17:38 -0000
From: "drdhdmd <doctordhd_at_dml_aol.com>" <doctordhd_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Fan Fail Relay

Does anyone have the schematic to what is inside a fan fail relay?
Has anyone built there own replacement, other than the two fused 
jumpers?

Dave
6530




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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 04:59:51 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: vapor canister...

If I'm not mistaken, stock DMC sucks PCV and emissions through the
cold start tube, downhill of throttle plates and a definite potential
source of vacuum leak (remember: vacuum is what triggers air sensor
plate, attached to fuel piston etc). My PRV re-engine sucks through
the U pipes (see page C:02:01) -- same basic effect. You don't want
any air entering the engine unless it's passed the air sensor plate
(my PCV may be an exception -- curiously blends with a line from the
air filter housing. Don't know if stock DMC does that too).

Removed my vapor canister because that's where the vacuum canister for
cruise control will go (yes, I know DMC's unit is right next door, but
that system is intact no problem, with a humongous hose, and I don't
much like emissions anyway...). Remember to cap line from the fuel
tank -- is a direct link. I recommend keeping PCV because it does cut
down on crap buildup under the valve covers (PCV pre-dates emissions
BTW, probably for that reason).

De-emissioning a car can be a subjective, and illegal, procedure.
DeLorean system is really fairly benign: no EGR or smog pump. Apparent
proof that PRV is a clean engine. My feelings on catalytic converter
have been "exhaustively" covered AGAIN in recent posts.

Getting back to cold start tube -- potential source of vacuum leak
could be tube's connection to the manifold. Is only bolted down with
an O ring. And is 3/4". Next time you've got your upper air assembly
loose, don't forget to check.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Adam <acprice1_at_dml_h...>"
<acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> If the "purge signal hose" ,that goes from the vapor canister to the 
> intake manifold, is disconnected; would this affect the idling of the 
> engine on startup due to one or both of the following? 
> The intake would now have a vacuum leak?
> 
> The vapor canister is not releasing its contained vapor?
> 
> I am just wondering how important the closed vapor containment system 
> really is, and if everyone still uses it. Has anyone eliminatd it 
> from their car?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Adam




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 00:16:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean's GTO is back

For those interested the new Pontiac GTO is based on a
new sports car designed and built here in Australia by
General Motors local subsiduary, Holden Ltd.Seems they
only changed the front grille on your version.
The car is called the Monaro here.Try going to
holden.com.au for plenty of photos of it.
Andrew
VIN 2883
Sydney,Aus.

--- Scott Mueller <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com> wrote:
The Pontiac GTO will be back on the road in 2004. 
> It will have the Chevy
> Mouse Motor, 5.7L small block  to you young guys.  6
> speed manual, rear
> wheel drive.  I can't wait to see what it looks
> like.
>  
> The GTO was the vehicle that started the muscle car
> era, small car with lots
> of power.  We can thank JZD for that.



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 02:55:41 -1100
From: "Avi" <ksarfaraz123_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: What is "Manifest 10"

My D is Vin 1930, and It says Manifest 10, and Im trying to findout what
this mainfest 10 is. Does anyone know?




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 14:48:53 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>" <dswingle_at_dml_enteract.com>
Subject: Re: What is "Manifest 10"

Says it where? 

Dave S

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Avi" <ksarfaraz123_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> My D is Vin 1930, and It says Manifest 10, and Im trying to findout 
what
> this mainfest 10 is. Does anyone know?




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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 15:06:35 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.

I called GEICO 2 years ago when inquiring about a policy with them 
for my DeLorean. I ended up no going with them because of their rates 
of $2400 every six months! But at that time they had no problem with 
the car at all, and it was in their system. Sounds to me like you 
just ended up talking to yet another ignorant call center rep who'd 
rather argue with you than say "I don't know". Remember, these are 
people who's entire job is to input information and make sales. They 
are NOT experts, nor adjusters. Call back, and ask for a supervisor. 
If they REALLY push the issue again, then tell them to contact the 
DOT Archives _at_dml_ George Washington University. All crashtest footage 
and analisys data for vintage cars is kept there. I don't know where 
the EPA archives are kept, but I'm sure they'll have data on the D 
there as well. Remeber, you're the consumer, so all the footwork is 
up to them. But if they give you any flack the 2nd time around when 
you call, take that as a sign that you don't want to deal with them. 
If it's this hard when simply trying to obtain coverage, imagine what 
could happen if you had to file a claim. Besides that, customer 
loyalty no longer offers any advantage to the consumer any longer. So 
you might just end up like I did when you start looking around. Not 
only better rates for you automobiles, but you home and other assests 
as well.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Frederick R. Embden" <fembden_at_dml_t...> 
wrote:
> A question for the group.
> Does anyone here have their D insured at GEICO



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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:17:52 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Exotic owners' code of conduct

MODERATOR NOTE - This has appeared here before, but it's been a while. 
--------

List,

i found this on the www.espritfactfile.com website.  I find the ideas 
expressed here are the same that all of us DeLorean owners should be 
expressing with our own prized cars!  It is also worded very nicely.  

Enjoy, and LIVE THE DREAM!

<<<<<<<<
1. My cars will always be clean and well presentable. I will ensure that my 
cars are in the highest state of mechanical condition and maintenance. 
Exotics are indeed rare, and to see one is a special experience. I have an 
obligation to present these cars to others at a high standard. 

2. I will always be polite, courteous, and friendly. I will not talk down to 
or ignore anyone, and I will cheerfully answer all questions. Exotic owners 
wrongly suffer from a "snob" label. By actively and always countering this, I 
will strive to change this perception among all whom I meet. 

3.  Where feasible, I will encourage inspection and observation of my cars. 
If someone is clean and courteous, I will encourage them to sit in my cars. I 
will actively encourage photographs. In particular, I will encourage this 
among younger children. On occasion, I will offer rides to admirers under the 
appropriate circumstances. 

4.  With one exception (see 5, below), I will obey all traffic laws or local 
traffic customs. Especially, I will pass other cars only in marked, safe 
passing zones, and I will always respect traffic speeds and noise ordinances 
within city limits. I will always drive in a defensive manner to protect 
myself and my vehicle. I will not initiate nor will I respond to challenges 
to race my cars on open public roads. 

5.  Operating my cars as God, Enzo, and Ferruccio (or Colin) intended will 
occur only on open, rural routes free of heavy traffic or on appropriately 
designated race courses. On public highways, I will use my highest powers of 
observation and diligence to ensure that I place myself, my vehicles, and the 
public in no additional danger. I will be aware of the environment and road 
conditions, and I will not drive at excessive speeds on unknown or suspect 
roads. When approaching blind corners or hills, I will assume that an 
obstacle exists and will take appropriate defensive measures. 

6.  I will share my passion and excitement for exotic cars with others 
through community service and charitable events. I will actively seek out 
community organizations such as local police departments and schools and 
offer my cars for use in events such as DARE programs, homecoming parades, 
pep rallies, etc. Many communities have "Make a Wish" foundations for sick 
children. If given the opportunity, I will offer a day with myself and my 
cars to such organizations in an effort to brighten an otherwise trying life 
for someone less fortunate than I. 
I will be honest and open with other enthusiasts, and I will accurately 
represent my cars to prospective owners and buyers. I will keep complete 
records, and I will always follow up with purchasers of my cars to ensure 
that they continue to gain maximum satisfaction and appreciation for cars 
that I have owned and serviced. 
I will always have a smile on my face when inspecting, driving, or showing my 
cars to others. I will never forget how fortunate I've been to own such 
automobiles and I will constantly remind myself that the future is uncertain, 
and that today may be as good as it gets ( Copyright 1998, Joe Martz)  
<<<<<<<<<

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102



















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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 10:23:31 -0700
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: Dakota Digital Dash

Ok,
        So you have the pros of a good install, me, and the cons of a bad
install, Louie.  I invite anyone who wants to see the dash to come out and
go for a ride with me.  Here in AZ we drive our cars year round and yep, all
my gauges are accurate.  Rob didn't hack anything and made the dash
removable-plug and play like.  Louie is right, the initial install isn't P&P
but with some splicing you don't have to cut anything and can return to the
original cluster with minimal work.  It's a shame we have two totally
different views on it but that's what so great about this board.  I worked
really hard on this digital kit and I am very happy with it.  It's not for
everyone, so try one out before you buy it.  Anyone who wants to do so can
camp out here at my place too.

Louie, I want your digital gauges....:)

Matthew
VIN #16816
VIN #10365




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:55:06 EST
From: DesignDayPlanner_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.

As you all know, insurance varies by state even if the company is nationwide. 
 In 1999 when I purchased my car I was with Geico.  I traded another car in 
for the DeLorean.  I intended on using the car as a daily driver as it was my 
only car at the time.  Initially they accepted the car but they would not 
cover it beyond the expiration of the 6-month policy that I already had with 
the former car.  No amount of convincing them about the value or how easy it 
was to get replacement parts helped.  Unfortunately I was not able to stay 
with Geico.  My advise to you would be talk to a manager at the agency and 
not just a underling.  This will get you to the bottom of if they will cover 
you or not.  I had several instances of at first they would cover it and then 
they wouldn't.  Hope this helps.

Happy New Year.

Rich


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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 11:34:34 -0600
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.

I had insurance with Geico about 3 years ago and had the DeLorean insured
with them.  However, I never had to make a claim so I don't know how
good/bad they are if you had to make a claim.   The thing I did notice
though, is that their rates kept going up more and more month to month.  I
cancelled and went to Allstate and the rate has stayed the same for the last
3 years and is incredibly cheaper. (just my experience; I don't mean to get
the whole insurance rate thread going again)  BTW, there were no addition to
tickets or anything to make the rates go up with Geico.  Like I said, this
was 3 years ago, and maybe they've changed their policy on insuring
DeLoreans.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frederick R. Embden" <fembden_at_dml_tco.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:59 AM
Subject: [DML] GEICO Insurance Co.


> A question for the group.
> Does anyone here have their D insured at GEICO



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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 17:21:27 -0000
From: "Bill <bill221_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <bill221_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.

Frederick,

I currently have GEICO insurance for my other car.  They referred me 
to Great American Insurance company, which would only let me drive my 
DeLorean 5000 miles per year.  GEICO was not helpful at all.  I 
couldn't get anywhere.

The great news is that www.esurance.com will insurance DMCs AND give 
quotes online.  I pay $300 per six months for excellent coverage, in 
fact better coverage than I have with GEICO. (Full coverage, 100/300, 
250/250 ded, medical, rental car, towing, etc...)

FYI:  I priced my Mercedes SLK and the DMC with esurance.com, and the 
cost is $300 less for 2 cars with esurance compared to 1 car with 
GEICO.

I think I'm leaving GEICO all together.  I have a perfect driving 
record and my rates have gone up every 6 months.

Regards,

Bill
vin #6298






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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 19:22:57 -0000
From: "ksgrimsr <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: Re: What is "Manifest 10"

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Avi" <ksarfaraz123_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> My D is Vin 1930, and It says Manifest 10, and Im trying to findout 
what
> this mainfest 10 is. Does anyone know?

I presume you're referring to the DMC VIN list available for download 
on the DMCNews.com web site.

Some of the data in the VIN list was obtained from original DMC 
company documents that James discovered in some of the archives as 
part of the DMC (Houston) purchase of the Kapac inventory. James also 
managed to dig up some other records through various sources as well.

One of the sources of information from which VIN information for the 
list was obtained was original shipping manifests listing the cars 
that were loaded for shipment across the pond. "Manifest 10" was the 
10th shipping manifest for cars shipped to the US.

    Knut





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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 14:12:54 -0500
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: Exotic owners' code of conduct

Very wise words, you do have to have a certain way of acting with a Delorean, I think.  I am always polite and courteous to people who ask about the car, and often let people open up the doors and occasionally sit inside.  The only time I refused was the only person so far who actually asked me first if they could sit inside.  I said no because he had no shirt on, was a drunk, and looked like trouble.  But I have even started being more open with having other people (friends) drive my D.

The only thing I have problem with is making eye contact with other drivers on the road and "not ignoring" them.  Usually I drive looking straight, whether I'm in my D or not, and rarely look to my side to stare at other drivers.  I hope people don't think I'm being snobbish by generally not looking around at stoplights, but when I do I always smile at people who are looking and giving me a thumbs up.

I think something you have to watch for too is not acting too "cocky" when you get out of your D and walk to a store or restaurant.  One time I pulled up across from this car of younger kids and an older adult, got out, did a quick check on the car and stopped to wipe some dirt or something off the fascia or some other part.  I guess the people in the other car took offense to the act and I promptly had some food junk thrown at my car, largely missing it though.  So I would say stay away from doing the "quick wipe and walk away" if you can. :) 

Richard    



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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:33:11 -0800
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: Rear ended and insurance

Hello List,
I posted a couple weeks go about my DeLorean being rear ended. I want to
give insurance info updates.
I have been in constant contact by the other guys insurance, Superior
Insurance group.
I have AAA And when this first happened they were most helpful and gave me
the agents name and # who would be handling my DeLorean.

Anyway, I tried calling that AAA agent and it took two days for her to
return my phone call. Then when I needed her the most she was out for the
holidays till January 2st.
Now, I have spoke with Superiors adjuster and agents and they approved the
$4508.11 for repairs by DeLorean Motor Center in Garden Grove. I received a
check yesterday from Superior for the cost of repair and Rent a car.

Get this, I was in my bank depositing the checks and I get a call on my cell
phone. It was some guy Bob from AAA.
He asks me if me if my car is drivable. I said, yes. Well your going to have
to take your car somewhere else to have the repairs done.
I asked, why.
He tells me that he looked at the damage of my DeLorean at Don's. He said, I
don't have a problem with the price of the parts. but, there asking to much
for shop rate $80.00 and hour. Your going to have to find another repair
facility that will do it for $45.00 and hour.

I said, wait a minute, I have the check in hand from Superior. They're
paying for everything. He says, oh well ok then.
I was pissed form this conversation. I hadn't heard a word from AAA and Don
has had my car for 11 days already.

Something for everyone to keep in mind. Even if your insurance company says
they will insure your DeLorean doesn't mean they will pay the shop rate at
any of your favorite DeLorean repair centers for damages.

I thinking of changing to Superior from AAA.
Regards,
Mike





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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 21:00:55 -0000
From: "sarcasmgirl16 <sarcasmgirl16_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <sarcasmgirl16_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: sorry to bug you

  hey everyone, sorry to bother ya. im new on the site, and im a
youngin (16) but i LOVE DeLoreans (and consequnetly back to the
future-but the love of DeLoreans came first i assure you) and one day
i REALLY want to own one. how likely do you guys think it is that by
the time i can afford one there will still be some around? as of
right now theres no hope of getting one any time soon as i already
have a car. but some people's dream is one day climbing mt everest
etc, mine is to own one of these babies. 

hearing all of you talk about
the Ds you own on the site makes me realize that my dream may one day
be possible, not to mention it makes me incredibly jealous. (and, yet,
i keep coming back..) well anyway, i really enjoy hearing from other
DeLorean owners/lovers and if any of you want to reply to this message
id love to hear from you. my email address is: sarcasmgirl16(AT)yahoo.com
Thank you!




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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 21:44:10 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Fan Fail Relay

Dave

Twenty years ago I messed with this circuit and did rebuild a fan 
relay. Don't waste your time. The module is not worth it. However, 
this problem is as old as the DeLorean.

It was a problem from day one. No matter the car, circumstances will 
eventually lead to the fans overloading the circuit. The problem is 
more than just the fan fail module. Just a fuse harness will not fix 
the root problems either. Those problems are a weak OEM circuit 
breaker, a relay rated too low, an undercharged or clogged AC system 
that caused rapid fan cycling, the fans cycling together.

The best fixes for purchase are from PJGrady (fanZilla) or John 
Hervey (SpecialTauto.com). Hervey has a great selection of different 
fixes for every budget that are all impressive. Also, I believe 
there is some suggested wiring circuits posted in the tech files of 
this wed site. On mine, I rewired the entire circuit for separate 
relays and circuit breakers for each fan and, when I turn on the AC, 
the fans stay on rather than cycle. I have used this on 3 DeLoreans 
I have owned. Works great. In the summer, especially when I lived in 
Houston, the temp stayed at the low end all the time.

The OEM circuit is a proven failure if not fixed correctly. 

Harold McElraft - 3354





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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 22:08:47 +0000
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.

(Chuckle!)  I contacted GEICO following their post card addressed to Mr. 
Safe Driver.  I told them I was the safe driver in my DELOREAN, but they 
emphasized they did not cover Deloreans because it was listed as a "hi 
performance" vehicle.  Uh-huh!  This is based on its SUSPENSION rather than 
its horsepower.  Uh-huh.  So, how do they rate the Lincoln with selectable 
suspension- soft for luxury ride to tight for "sporty" ride?  -Sigh- Too bad 
they are ALL a racket.       Drive Stainless   Robert  VIN 6924



From: "Frederick R. Embden" <fembden_at_dml_tco.com>
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] GEICO Insurance Co.
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 09:59:57 -0500

A question for the group.
Does anyone here have their D insured at GEICO.  I wanted to add my D to my
policy to use as a daily driver, and they are saying the Delorean was not
built for the US 



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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 22:37:16 +0000
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: DMC BTTF model

  I dropped into a small Toys/Games store & found a pre-built Delorean model 
for sale.  I was shown the last kit on the shelf, also.  It was by Polar 
Lights   "BTTF Time Machine"  kit #6811  Snap together.   If there is any 
interest in this model, contact me, & the shop owner will be happy to work 
on multiple orders if wanted.          Drive Stainless (build plastic)   VIN 
6924    Robert








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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 17:51:16 -0600
From: "K Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.

>I think I'm leaving GEICO all together.  I have a perfect driving
>record and my rates have gone up every 6 months.

That's true for all insurance companies. You pretty much have to switch
every 12-18 months to keep your rates competitive.

My 2 drakmas.




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