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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1332
Date: Monday, January 06, 2003 9:53 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Rear ended and insurance
From: "Harold McElraft <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

2. Re: Rear ended and insurance
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

3. "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: A/C Problem, Repairable?
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

5. Re: Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump or "THE TOLL BOOTH"
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

6. Re: GEICO Insurance Co.
From: "beatlesra1 <beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com>" <beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com>

7. Re: Re: A/C Problem, Repairable?
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

8. RE: Re: Rear ended and insurance
From: "Jerry Condray" <genghis_at_dml_sctelcom.net>

9. Re: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>

10. A DML thank you to David Teitelbaum
From: "dmcmike2002 <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>" <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>

11. Re: A/C Problem, Repairable?
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

12. RE: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>

13. Re: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

14. New to the list (alittle OT)
From: "Eric Kinzie <ekinzie_at_dml_frontiernet.net>" <ekinzie_at_dml_frontiernet.net>

15. Re: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.
From: John Gedeon <johne_g_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. delorganization
From: "dmcmike2002 <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>" <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>

17. Sunstar Delorean
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

18. Change of addy
From: "murrayempire" <murrayempire_at_dml_ntlworld.com>

19. Poll results for dmcnews
From: dmcnews

20. Re: Sunstar Delorean
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

21. Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

22. delorean tee shirt (KoolArt)
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

23. DMC Original Poster...I'm so lucky
From: "supremeadmiralsenn <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>

24. RE: delorean tee shirt (KoolArt)
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

25. Re: Re: A/C Problem, Repairable?
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 04:32:25 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rear ended and insurance

This is excellent advice even if the car is not a daily driver. 
Thanks, David.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_w...>" 
<jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> This accident brings up a very important issue for anyone using a 
> Delorean as a "daily driver". If you are using "ordinary" 
insurance 
> and you get hit the insurance company will compare the cost of 
repair 
> with the "value" of the car. ........

David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_l...>" 
> <DMCVegas_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> > This might also be a good time to consider installing a CHMSL, 
or 
> 3rd brake 
> > light. I can't speak for every other drivetr out there, but in 
> traffic I focus on other 
> > people's 3rd brake light, and




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 04:53:11 +0000
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rear ended and insurance

Indeed, a lot of insurances have "approved" repair facilities.  However, 
when I had to deal with my co., Allstate, I told them I approved the 
facilities, the shop's job was to do the repairs, their job was to pay the 
bill, & my job was to take care of MY car!  Do you have a problem with that? 
  They said "uh, no."  They paid the bill.   You are NOT obligated to go to 
any particular shop in Okla.  YOU choose, THEY pay.  I've also learned not 
to accept a check before the work is done.  When the job is complete (there 
may be hidden damage), the shop notifies the insurance, & a check is then 
cut.   I do not tolerate being jerked around any more than I have to be. 
(And we all know how much we get jerked around with coverage/premiums!)     
Just a bit of what I have learned & how I deal with this type of problem, 
FWIW.         Drive Stainless    Robert VIN 6924






From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Rear ended and insurance
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 12:33:11 -0800

Hello List,
I posted a couple weeks go about my DeLorean being rear ended. I want to
give insurance info updates.
I have been in constant contact by the other guys insurance, Superior
Insurance group.
I have AAA And when this first happened they were most helpful and gave me
the agents name and # who would be handling my DeLorean.


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 00:12:33 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump

Adding to Chucks Gas pump story I had one this evening. (although its hard to 
beat so I don't claim that)
I was at the Cavalcade of Customs in Cincinnati (Got best of class I might 
add) and this guy walks up to me and asks if this is the 6 or the 8 cylinder.
Humoring him of course I said a 6.
He told me how horible and unreliable they were so I just said I guess Volvos 
are unreliable of which he said they were one of the greatest motors ever but 
the D had a different one because DeLorean didn't want to spend the money.

Ok now the charmer

He says did you replace the cam for more power

I asked why

He said all you gotta do is drill a hole in the back from the inside of the 
car and it will slide right in.

Dumbfounded at this I asked him if it may be a bit easier to just do it the 
normal way.

He says no we do it all the time

I aks  him if he has a DeLorean and he says not any more.  I asked him how 
long he had it.  He said Oh I sold it about 1980 or so.

I could not say another word I was trying not to laugh too hard,

He then read my blurb on the sign for the car saying they were made 81 -83 
I figured he would get it by then but he came back and told me my sign was 
wrong and they were made in the 70's

I couldn't help it I busted up 
he got pissed 
and left 
THANK GOD 
I would have died if he had continued.

On a serious note most people at the show were actually well informed on the 
car and I always had a nice crowd around it.  

The guy across from me noticed and was a bit  jealous as the crowd always 
turned towards the D not his car and he had a very nice Chevy with custom 
paint.

Well thats my 2 cents worth

Ken



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 06:24:46 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: A/C Problem, Repairable?

Nope, only purchased the car in California, I live in Las Vegas, NV. So yeah, 
Air Conditioning here is a moral imperative. My A/C worked ok the last 
summer, but I have driven without it. In my most embarassing D moment, 
Chris Spratt from the UK came into town, and while driving around, the 
drivebelt came loose (my falut on that one), IN THE DEAD OF SUMMER! So 
yes, driving around in 110+ weather with no cool air is hardley a barrel of 
monkeys...

I'm really not too keen on switching over to R-134a. My system wasn't 
designed for it, and I've read more cons about the conversion, than the main 
benefit, beeing simply that R-134a is cheaper.  Although that's not to say I 
want to buy all the components from D vendors. Not as a price consideration, 
but because they're made out of 20+ year old rubber, I'd just as soon order 
custom barrier hoses for my car. Aside from that, just how hard is it to seperate 
the body from the chassis for this, and how exactly will I be able to slide the 
hosese thru? What else should I inspect on the system? I've read that R-12 
when mixed with water can form acid, so I am worried about possible damage 
to the evaporator.

In the mean time, I've got a 5-month deadline to save up and get my A/C fixed. 
I can't physicly handle driving around with no A/C this summer. Just thinking 
about it makes me dizzy. If anyone has any ideas, or parts sources for the 
hoses, let me know. I'm starting to shop around for everything in preperation 
now.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_w...>" <
jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> With all of the repair history on the A/C the best thing would be to 
> start all over again. Replace any questionable (field repaired) hoses, 
> all of the seals and "O" rings, flush, purge, and pressure test, send 
> the compressor out for rebuild or just replace. With contamination 
> known to be in the system the safe thing is to replace the 
> accumulater. At this time it is good to consider converting from R-12. 
> I suggest you find yourself a well equipped shop that can handle this 
> and do it right. It might get expensive but it is more expensive to do 
> it cheaply and often. Fortunatly the A/C system in the Delorean isn't 
> too unfamiliar to most A/C shops. Just lend them the Workshop Manual 
> and tell them which Delorean vender you want them to get the parts 
> from. Once properly fixed the system is pretty reliable. As far as 
> replacing parts you could proabably do it yourself but any shop would 
> just go over your work to clean the system and check for leaks. Unless 
> you have the manifold gauge set, vacuum pump and gasses you will have 
> to go to a shop anyway. Since you seem to be in California you really 
> can't enjoy the Delorean without A/C so to use the car you really need 
> to have a functional A/C system.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 02:21:15 EST
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump or "THE TOLL BOOTH"

I had pulled up to the Yonkers toll booth on the New York State I-87 last 
night and the woman toll collector ask me what kind of car it was.  I told 
her is was a DeLorean and it is the car that was used in the movie "Back to 
The Future."  The second question was "did they use it during the war?"  I 
didn't know what war she was referring to and I said "no" and drove off.  
What does she think the DeLorean is to be used in a war?

Kayo Ong
#5508
N
Lic  9D NY  


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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:33:52 -0000
From: "beatlesra1 <beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com>" <beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.


( Moderators Note: Maybe a poll would be a good idea. This subject keeps reappearing and never seems to end until a moderator finaly kills the subject. The archives are full of comments. Anyone want to  start  a poll? )


We really should have a poll on what eveyone is paying for Insurance! 
I think I have a great deal (So Far ) I pay $440.00 a year for full 
coverage with a $500.00 deductable. When I called my agent , he never 
blinked an eye when I said Delorean. Is this a good rate?

Chuck Darling
Vin# 6125




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 07:15:57 -0500
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Re: A/C Problem, Repairable?

I have heard so many times about separating the body from the frame while
changing those hoses and I am here to tell you, you don't need to.  Take
your car to a shop that knows what it is doing and just hand them the
replacement hoses.  That's what I did and they "snaked" the hoses through.
They attached the new hoses to the old hoses and pulled them through.  The
mechanic said it was tough but not impossible.  he also lubed up the hoses
to make them slide better.  I definitely replaced my drier as it had
probably soaked up alot of contaminants and wasn't going to operate
efficiently.  I replaced my whole system except the compressor and the unit
which resides in the passenger compartment ( evaporator)?  I don't know what
it is called.  My shop only did ac's so he only played around for a short
time with it.  Also I think the Freon charge is mislabeled.  I think in the
manual it says one thing and then on a label kit it says something else.  I
think it differs by .2 pounds or something.  Can any body else shed some
light on this?

thanks

Joseph M
2850
----- Original Message -----
From: <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:24 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: A/C Problem, Repairable?


> Nope, only purchased the car in California, I live in Las Vegas, NV. So
yeah,
> Air Conditioning here is a moral imperative. My A/C worked ok the last
> summer, but I have driven without it. In my most embarassing D moment,
> Chris Spratt from the UK came into town, and while driving around, the
> drivebelt came loose (my falut on that one), IN THE DEAD OF SUMMER! So
> yes, driving around in 110+ weather with no cool air is hardley a barrel
of
> monkeys...
>
> I'm really not too keen on switching over to R-134a. My system wasn't
> designed for it, and I've read more cons about the conversion, than the
main
> benefit, beeing simply that R-134a is cheaper.  Although that's not to say
I
> want to buy all the components from D vendors. Not as a price
consideration,
> but because they're made out of 20+ year old rubber, I'd just as soon
order
> custom barrier hoses for my car. Aside from that, just how hard is it to
seperate
> the body from the chassis for this, and how exactly will I be able to
slide the
> hosese thru? What else should I inspect on the system? I've read that R-12
> when mixed with water can form acid, so I am worried about possible damage
> to the evaporator.
>
> In the mean time, I've got a 5-month deadline to save up and get my A/C
fixed.
> I can't physicly handle driving around with no A/C this summer. Just
thinking
> about it makes me dizzy. If anyone has any ideas, or parts sources for the
> hoses, let me know. I'm starting to shop around for everything in
preperation
> now.
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"
>
>
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_w...>" <
> jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> > With all of the repair history on the A/C the best thing would be to
> > start all over again. Replace any questionable (field repaired) hoses,
> > all of the seals and "O" rings, flush, purge, and pressure test, send
> > the compressor out for rebuild or just replace. With contamination
> > known to be in the system the safe thing is to replace the
> > accumulater. At this time it is good to consider converting from R-12.
> > I suggest you find yourself a well equipped shop that can handle this
> > and do it right. It might get expensive but it is more expensive to do
> > it cheaply and often. Fortunatly the A/C system in the Delorean isn't
> > too unfamiliar to most A/C shops. Just lend them the Workshop Manual
> > and tell them which Delorean vender you want them to get the parts
> > from. Once properly fixed the system is pretty reliable. As far as
> > replacing parts you could proabably do it yourself but any shop would
> > just go over your work to clean the system and check for leaks. Unless
> > you have the manifold gauge set, vacuum pump and gasses you will have
> > to go to a shop anyway. Since you seem to be in California you really
> > can't enjoy the Delorean without A/C so to use the car you really need
> > to have a functional A/C system.
> > David Teitelbaum
> > vin 10757
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 09:20:16 -0600
From: "Jerry Condray" <genghis_at_dml_sctelcom.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Rear ended and insurance

Bob & others!

I installed a 3rd brake light of a bar of LEDs from a recent Chevy Suburban
on the top louver.  It is below the roofline and looks factory.  Costly at
about $ 110 but I think worth it.

Jerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Brandys [mailto:BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:22 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Rear ended and insurance


Robert,

Your suggestion of installing a third brake light was brillant!  The
safety studies originally conducted in Sweden and then on Torandos in
the US with third brake lights showed that they reduce rear end crashes
by almost 20%.

The Corvette brake light looks really nice. The only improvement I would
suggest is changing the light over to high intensity LEDs.  The LEDs
illuminate at little faster than incandescent bulbs and consequently,
provide a little faster reaction time to the driver behind you.

At 60 mph., this time difference can mean a shorter breaking distance of
at least 5 feet.

BOB






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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 10:56:45 -0500
From: Noah <sitz_at_dml_onastick.net>
Subject: Re: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.

On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 09:33:52AM -0000, beatlesra1 <beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ( Moderators Note: Maybe a poll would be a good idea. This subject keeps reappearing and never seems to end until a moderator finaly kills the subject. The archives are full of comments. Anyone want to  start  a poll? )
> 
> 
> We really should have a poll on what eveyone is paying for Insurance! 

A good idea, but in order to be at all useful, the poll (or polls, I'm
not sure which would be easier) need(s) to take into account everything
that keeps popping up. If you're paying $350/yr for insurance, that's
fine, but how many miles are you aloud to drive? Is that for an 
agreed-upon value of the car? What state are you in? How much coverage
do you have? How old are you? I'm sure there must be a statistics geek 
on this list somewhere who could do something useful with all the data 
and generate a pretty graph which will tell us not only which insurance 
company we should be using, but how old we should be when we buy, and
where we should be living. =)

--noah
#2867

-- 
"Look, Clark! I made you an ashtray!"



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 15:58:14 -0000
From: "dmcmike2002 <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>" <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: A DML thank you to David Teitelbaum

Just wanted to let everyone know that I had a fellow DML'er give me a 
ton of help with my car last weekend....I read the list a couple 
times a week. I know whenever David Teitelbaum gives advice it is 
honest, to the point and very informative...After exchanging a few 
emails he agreed that I could drive up and have him go over my car in 
person! Having watched him do the door adjustments at the spring 
social you know that David has an amazing array of tools and really 
knows the car well...On top of his technical knowledge he truly 
enjoys working on the Delorean. 

I was having a slight rough idle and just wanted the reasusurance of 
someone like David to go over the car. It was a bout a 4 hour drive 
and was the longestg I had taken in teh car..that alone makes you a 
little nervous...The car drove flawlessly. The first thing David did 
was check just about every operation of the car. Diagnosing any 
problem on this car and requires skill and knowing that each part is 
doing its job...We took out injectors, cleaned them. We reset them 
with new seals. We took out all 6 spark plugs, cleaned and regapped 
them. David checked just about every electrical connection in the 
engine. From time to time he would find a broken piece of plastic or 
missing clip. He would then go down and magically produce the exact 
piece you needed! Once he was comfortable that everything was correct 
he then began diagnosing the problem. 

After scoping the car and checking relays and other operations of the 
lambda system he was confident the problem is a faulty 02 sensor and 
then a slight adjustment of the air/fuel mixture. I also need to have 
a valve adjustment to bring the car up to top running condition. 
After about 5 hours of work David still wanted to check other things 
under the car to make sure everything was okay for my drive 
home....An oil leak here, a coolant hose that needed a slight 
tightening, checking the operation of all lights...He wrote down a 
few odd parts I should pick up. I could have stayed all night but had 
a 4 hour night drive and I had to get back on the road.... (David and 
his wife even offered to let me swim in their beautiful outdoor pool 
but it was 30 degrees, 5 inches of snow on the ground and I forgot to 
bring my swimsuit :-)

As all of you know after doing alot of work on this car sometimes you 
can cause a problem or get stuck doing something without a spare part 
and leave the car undrivable. It can also make you a little nervous 
taking a long drive after working on the engine. I drove home with no 
problems and the car again drove perfect....

Also, I recently bought a BTTF pinball and David took the time to go 
over his machine with me and gave me trouble areas to watch out for 
and other advice....

In all I owe a great deal of thanks to David for all his help with my 
car. He offers advice on the DML for the love of the car and expects 
nothing in return and because of people like him owning the Delorean 
is possible and the DML is a better place...

Mike C
2109
 




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:13:46 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: A/C Problem, Repairable?

I can't speak for ALL of the Delorean venders but P. J. Grady is 
having the hoses made up new. They can be replaced without removing 
the body, it requires bending the flange of the frame, not too bad. 
You can also go to Classic Air in Florida, they can make up anything 
A/C related. For the compressor you can send it to Classic Air or buy 
a new one, they aren't that expensive. The accumulater is also 
available. I have seen Sanyo compressors for the Delorean on E-Bay as 
low as $50. I don't recomend R-134a, the system wasn't designed for 
the pressures and the coils aren't sized right. I am using R-414A and 
it seems colder then R-12! The problem with moisture isn't the 
refrigerent, it is the mess it makes with the oil, turning it into a 
soupy gunk that hardens and can clog the system and corrode the 
internal parts. Best to completly disasemble the system, clean, flush, 
purge, rod out, brush, or whatever you have to do to get the insides 
clean. The mechanical parts need to be rebuilt like the compressor, 
the accumulater should be replaced, and the orifice tube removed and 
cleaned. Now you can put fresh refrigerent oil in, all new seals and 
if you want this would be the time to convert. You should also make 
sure that the bearings in the idler pulleys are good and maybe a new 
belt. A complete overhaul of the A/C would include cleaning the 
exterior of the evaparator coil and the condensor coil and the plenum 
containing the evap coil. When you are all finished a GOOD shop will 
do a performance test checking the temp drop over the coils and system 
pressures to verify performance. You can also ask them to put in leak 
detector so if you have any future leaks you can spot them easily. A 
reputable shop should also give some kind of warranty if they have any 
confidence in their work. In the area you are in you should be able to 
find a good shop. See where the local car dealers send their cars. See 
where the municipalities send their work, places like these usually 
only go to places where they do good work and don't have callbacks. It 
may seem more expensive then the local guy that shoots in a little 
Freon but it won't leak right out 2 weeks later either. It is a case 
of "You can pay me now or you can pay me later" only the later is over 
many times because it is never fixed, just kept running. By not fixing 
the leaks the oil comes out of the system and then you burn up the 
compressor. The less you fuss with the A/C the longer it will last.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_l...>" 
<DMCVegas_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> Nope, only purchased the car in California, I live in Las Vegas, NV. 
So yeah, 
> Air Conditioning here is a moral imperative. My A/C worked ok the 
last 
> summer, but I have driven without it. In my most embarassing D 
moment, 





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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:16:16 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump

	We have had our share of crazy stories like I see on here too.....and also
some fun ones.....we take the D to some local and near by shows for
kicks....Sit in our lawn chairs back a ways and just WATCH.   Bettye says it
blows her mind, the attention it gets.   I usually start out with everything
closed for an hour or so....THEN I pop the doors and sometimes the trunk and
engine lid.   She got a kick out of counting the people looking directly AT
the car...not with their backs to it!!   One time she counted a max of 21
and almost always there would be 8 to 10.  One time, next to us was a Vette
that was a dream....even had mirrors underneath for you to see how great it
was ....usually at the same time he had 2 or 3 looking at it.   Almost made
me feel bad, as obviously he had put a TON of work into his, and all I did
was wash mine and drive it there!  Then I usually get 1st place Unrestored
Original.  Ho Ho.  These are car shows that bring around 350 cars.  There
were 82 entered in MY class at this particular show.  There is nothing quite
like gull wings and stainless steel to attract attention!!
	People seem to always be courteous and respect the car, although there are
always those who need to be sure it will leave fingerprints if they touch
it!   Many times we ask the kids, (or parents) if they would like to sit in
it and have their picture taken.   Several times I have taken pictures
myself, got their address and mailed them a copy of the picture.  Fun Fun.

Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic:  DMC-XII
6 years





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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 09:38:08 -0700
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Re: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.

Personally I don't think a Poll would do much for this subject. Insurance
rates vary so much state by state that you can't tell if you're getting a
good deal just from seeing what someone else in a different state is
paying. Like Chuck's rate below. $440/yr sounds fine, but I don't know
where he lives. It might be high for his area for all I know. I pay about
$500 myself here in Utah, but someone from New Jersey (noted for high
rates) would think both those rates are spectacular as they're probably
paying a couple of thousand for a year.

If you want to know if your insurance rates are good, then talk to people
who live near you, in the same state. Also call around and get quotes.
Comparing rates with people in other states is pretty much a waste of time
IMHO.

Mark N
VIN 6820

At 09:33 AM 1/6/2003 -0000, you wrote:
>
>( Moderators Note: Maybe a poll would be a good idea. This subject keeps
reappearing and never seems to end until a moderator finaly kills the
subject. The archives are full of comments. Anyone want to  start  a poll? )
>
>
>We really should have a poll on what eveyone is paying for Insurance! 
>I think I have a great deal (So Far ) I pay $440.00 a year for full 
>coverage with a $500.00 deductable. When I called my agent , he never 
>blinked an eye when I said Delorean. Is this a good rate?
>
>Chuck Darling
>Vin# 6125




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:49:19 -0000
From: "Eric Kinzie <ekinzie_at_dml_frontiernet.net>" <ekinzie_at_dml_frontiernet.net>
Subject: New to the list (alittle OT)

Hey ya'll,

I stumbled onto this list while doing some searches on Yahoo for 
Delorean.  I've browsed many of the previous posts and thought I'd 
drop one of my own.  

I do not own a D but am planning for the future.  With a young 
family, the money is spend on other things but I'm sure that will 
change one of these days.  I've been interested in D's since I was 
about 16.  I rememeber shopping for my first car...saw a D on a lot 
here in town.  Only wanted $12,500 for it.  Still don't know why my 
dad didn't jump on that one!

Anywhoo, I'm just looking right now but if anyone happens to come 
across one that needs work, I'm not opposed to getting my fingers 
dirty.  Besides, the time spent fixing one up a piece at a time may 
be my best for years to come!

Eric




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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:15:24 -0800 (PST)
From: John Gedeon <johne_g_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: GEICO Insurance Co.

I created two polls at
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews/polls
:)
--- "beatlesra1 <beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com>"
<beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ( Moderators Note: Maybe a poll would be a good
> idea. This subject keeps reappearing and never seems
> to end until a moderator finaly kills the subject.
> The archives are full of comments. Anyone want to 
> start  a poll? )
> 
> 
> We really should have a poll on what eveyone is
> paying for Insurance! 
> I think I have a great deal (So Far ) I pay $440.00
> a year for full 
> coverage with a $500.00 deductable. When I called my
> agent , he never 
> blinked an eye when I said Delorean. Is this a good
> rate?
> 
> Chuck Darling
> Vin# 6125
> 
> 
> 
> To address comments privately to the moderating
> team, please address:
> moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
> 
> To search the archives or view files, log in at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 


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<>< Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;"



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:15:21 -0000
From: "dmcmike2002 <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>" <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: delorganization

Just was hoping to get some responces on how people organize all of 
their Delorean related car items/paperwork/gargage/work area/parts.

With 3 little kiddies etc I dont have the time or the space to 
organize everything. I am lucky to have nice 2 car garage whcih I get 
the hole left side (the minvan hogs the right side) I have a 
workbench with a few of my basic tools. I have a couple rows of wire 
sheleves with all the normal garage clutter. I keep the few old parts 
in am old milk crate (you know the ones that say $500 fine if stolen) 
I have a little office in the basement where I keep all the odd shape 
boxes for future parts mailing/returns. I use a small 3 ring binder 
that I have all my notes, technical articles, phone numbers and 
repair to do lists..... 

There are so many things you can buy/keep on hand from the vendors or 
parts stores etc. Between the cleaners, oils, paints and other things 
it just gets clutterd and can looks. I love when people come over and 
see the Delorean in the garage....But would love to have all the 
space around the car look as nice as the car....I have painted my 
garage walls white and am doing the floor in the Dark grey which will 
look nice....Anyone want to share the nicest "delorean" garage they 
have seen or best way to organize all there D stuff...

Mike C
2109

  




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 19:21:36 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Sunstar Delorean

I was shopping this past weekend and I wondered into Spencer Gifts. 
They were selling the Delorean Sunstar model for $14.99. If you still 
want one this is a great price. Spencer gifts is in most large malls, 
at least here in the Northeast. It isn't the gold model, just the S/s 
version.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:11:56 -0000
From: "murrayempire" <murrayempire_at_dml_ntlworld.com>
Subject: Change of addy

As from 8 January 2003 murrayempire_at_dml_ntlworld.com  

will be changed to murraymotors_at_dml_ntlworld.com 

Joe Murray 
Thank you 

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Message: 19
Date: 6 Jan 2003 23:51:04 -0000
From: dmcnews
Subject: Poll results for dmcnews


The following dmcnews poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: What alternator have you had the best 
luck with on your Delorean? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Original Ducellier 80amp, 6 votes, 10.17%  
- Original Motorola 90amp, 24 votes, 40.68%  
- Delorean 150, 11 votes, 18.64%  
- Delco 105amp, 10 votes, 16.95%  
- Other/Custom, 8 votes, 13.56%  



For more information about this group, please visit 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews 

For help with Yahoo! Autos, please visit
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ 

 






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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:32:33 EST
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Sunstar Delorean

K B toys have both original and BTTF Deloreans (Sunstar) for $24.00 each. 
Sounds like Spencers has a better price.
Bruce Battles
Vin # 06569
MTARNDO



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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:44:39 EST
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: "DUHHH!!!!" at the gas pump

I have told this story to a few of you so forgive my repeating it for the 
newbies.
I was traveling on I-40 a few years ago. Running about 83+ mph, I came over a 
hill and saw the TN State trooper running radar. He flashed his lights and I 
pulled over. I opened the door and looked up at a TN trooper that was 6'4". 
His first statement was "So this is a Delorean, I have never seen one up 
close". I took my time showing him the engine, trunk, and even told him it 
was ok to sit in it and how to open the door. (I figured if he wasn't putting 
ink to paper I was ok). He was amazed at the amount of headroom and the over 
all feel of the car. Anyway, after about 10 min. talking about the car he 
asked "Mr. Battles. I have one question when you go 88.5 mph do you go back 
to the future?" I smiled and answered if I had reached that speed do you 
think I would be talking to you now? He laughed and told me to drive safe. No 
ticket, no warning, just a cop with a love of autombiles and a GREAT sense of 
humor.
This is one case where the car itself talked me out of a ticket. You just got 
to love living the dream!!!
Bruce Battles
Vin #06569
MTARNDO



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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:51:07 -0600
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: delorean tee shirt (KoolArt)

with a little help from everybody i found the delorean tee shirt i was talking about.
here is the link to it if anybody is interested like i am in purchasing the tee shirt
with the delorean on it. the number is P1404 for the delorean print.
http://www.koolart.co.uk/detprod.asp?ProductCode=P1404

thanks to all of the people who helped me.

mark




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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 00:20:44 -0000
From: "supremeadmiralsenn <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>
Subject: DMC Original Poster...I'm so lucky

Well, I don't own a DeLorean yet..I'm 15 so it'll be a while :(. But 
my brother got me one of the ORIGINAL DELOREAN POSTERS on ebay-like 
$20! The one woth SNO BIRD on the license plate....and he got me the 
book: DeLorean, by JZD. MY brother is awesome!  How much are those 
posters worth now anyways? I may be able to give out the address of 
the person who had it (they have lots more someone got them at a 
warehouse).  See ya round!




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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 19:56:28 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: delorean tee shirt (KoolArt)

I traded email with the vendor,
9.99 pound shirt
7.00 pound shipping to US

That's $28 US for a t-shirt

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA


-----Original Message-----
From: id [mailto:ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 6:51 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] delorean tee shirt (KoolArt)


with a little help from everybody i found the delorean tee shirt i was
talking about. here is the link to it if anybody is interested like i am in
purchasing the tee shirt with the delorean on it. the number is P1404 for
the delorean print. http://www.koolart.co.uk/detprod.asp?ProductCode=P1404

thanks to all of the people who helped me.

mark





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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 21:50:18 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: A/C Problem, Repairable?

Robert,

As David T. said, it is entirely possible to replace the A/C hoses w/o 
seperating the body from the chassis. the best way to do it is to either get 
Rob Grady's hoses with removeable fittings (a novel idea) which you attach on 
after you fish the hose thru, OR you can go to a good A/C shop where they can 
make you custom lines out of any material and they can crimp new permanant 
fittings on it by using an impact crimper thru the top of the engine bay for 
the rear lines, and in the wheel wells or brake access panel for the front 
ones.  simple as cake.  i was quoted approximately $75 per line plus labor on 
installation with top-quality crimps and fittings, and with hose capable of 
holding R-134A.  my lines weren't too bad, only had a rub leak where the line 
was hitting the steering U-joint, so i opted to just repair about 18 inches 
of hose for around $30.

i pity anyone who attempts to bust their knuckles any other way.  i can think 
of a lot of other projects more difficult than this!

Andy

In a message dated 1/6/03 5:50:36 AM Central Standard Time, DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com 
writes:


> Aside from that, just how hard is it to seperate 
> the body from the chassis for this, and how exactly will I be able to slide 
> the 
> hosese thru? 


Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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