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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1339
Date: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:53 AM

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: 3rd Brake light
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

2. RE: A new great spare tire debate?
From: John Gedeon <johne_g_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. PRV, why so cramped?
From: Scott Tester <scott_at_dml_delorean.com>

4. Re: My Classic Car
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

5. Re: My Classic Car (W.O.W.)
From: "d_rex_2002 <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

6. RE: New Gull-Wing Automobile
From: Holler <thehauntfactory_at_dml_att.net>

7. How difference between 500+ page Vinyl repair manual and vender's one
From: ttanaka504_at_dml_aol.com

8. RE: A new great spare tire debate?
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

9. RE: PRV, why so cramped?
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

10. RE: A new great spare tire debate?
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Re: How difference between 500+ page Vinyl repair manual and vender's one
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: PRV, why so cramped?
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

13. RE: A new great spare tire debate?
From: "Jan Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>

14. Re: How difference between 500+ page Vinyl repair manual and vender's one
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>

15. Re: PRV, why so cramped?
From: "Adam <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Frame issues
From: "dmcburn75 <dmcburn75_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <dmcburn75_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 04:36:57 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: 3rd Brake light

After a rear end collision (or any collision for that matter) you 
should consider replacing all of the light bulbs in the area of the 
damage. It has been my experience that if the shock of the accident 
doesn't kill the bulbs outright they fail soon after anyway, 
especially if they were on at the time of the "accident". Cheap 
insurance IMHO and good advice for any car not just Deloreans.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Richard Lew <evm2k_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> The one that I have is 40 LED light per module.  The
> lights are held by double sided sticky tape at the top
> and is wedged in between the upper louver and the
> lower.  It won't come off and it doesn't interfere
> with the rear view.  I connected it to the wire
> harness where the firewall is.  Very simple to do.  
> 





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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 23:04:45 -0800 (PST)
From: John Gedeon <johne_g_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: A new great spare tire debate?

Being a future owner am I to understand that the
delorean , if it got a flat and you had a passenger
and no luggage rack there would be no room for the
flat tire? even where the spare was stored??
John
--- Scott Mueller <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com> wrote:
> To carry the flat tire, you can either place it in a
> large trash bag (that
> you brilliantly stashed in your car) and carry it in
> the front passenger
> seat or you can strap it down on your luggage rack.
> 
> Scott Mueller
> 002981
> RNDOLA
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
> [mailto:brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net] 
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 5:54 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] A new great spare tire debate?
> 
> 
> Relax people. My D had no spare. I needed something
> to fit a particular
> well, a particular bolt pattern, and two different
> sized brake calipers (14"
> rims won't clear the rear). Went to the junkyard and
> found suitable rim (no
> offense to VW people, but they apparently weren't
> big sellers in rural North
> Carolina -- junkyard didn't have one). Bought a
> brand new tire to fit. FWIW,
> my rubber is brand new and designed to be a primary
> tire.
> 
> The *REAL* question should be: OK, I've got the
> spare mounted on the rear,
> now what do I do with the flat 15"?
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 02:43:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Tester <scott_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: PRV, why so cramped?

I made an attempt to change my spark plugs and wires today and was disappointed by how poorly the PRV is designed for maintanence access. It appears that I will have to remove some of the fuel injector hoses and many other things just to access the spark plug wells. Why was the PRV designed so crampy? 

Anyone know a where I can find a guide to do this properly? 

Scott Tester     scott(at)delorean(dot)com


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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 08:00:09 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: My Classic Car

I hope someone who has cable tapes these shows and makes them available 
to the group.




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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:16:31 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002 <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: My Classic Car (W.O.W.)

FYI - My Classic Car has plans to film a portion of an upcoming show
with footage from this year's World of Wheels show in Chicago, as
they did last year and in previous years.  I saw Dennis Gage at the
show last year, but somehow he missed the D Rex at last year's show.
Now that he knows where to look (by the big trucks section), I hope
he makes it over to this year's display, which should have at least
one other custom Delorean next to D Rex, to illustrate size scale.

In addition, this upcoming show marks the first birthday of D Rex
and I hope to make this year's display even more involved than last
year.  I do have RSVP's from Delorean enthusiasts coming in for the
show from out of state, including Ohio, Wisconsin and Missouri so far
as well as many from the local DMC club here in Illinois.  No birthday
cake is planned, but another Best in Class would be a great gift and
more nation-wide coverage of Deloreans on My Classic Car and cable
channels like WGN also make great gifts.  D Rex is hoping for both.

If you do not get a chance to make it out to the show, I'm sure that
Tamir will post the new look of D Rex sometime after the show.

Later,
Rich W.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "gullwingmagazine 
<gullwingmagazine_at_dml_j...>" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> Looks like Speed Vision will be airing the coverage of the River 
City 
> Autofest which had 14 of our D's in attendance including D-Rex.  
> Since there was a lot of footage shot around the Delorean group 
maybe 
> some of it will make it to the episode and not hit the cutting room 
> floor.  Speed Vision shows are scheduled for January 22, 26, and 
29th.
> 
> Ron




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:39:28 -0800
From: Holler <thehauntfactory_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: RE: New Gull-Wing Automobile

>Jack wrote: At this site: http://www.auto.com/photos/2003/ it is listed
as a Concept Car.


I'm not surprised at all.  It seems the most outstanding designs are the
ones that get showcased in live remotes-at-the-car-show news programs
and onto the covers of the car magazines, and invariably, they're
'concepts'.  Chances are, you'll never actually get to see one that
doesn't have carpeting under the tires.
In my opinion, DeLoreans still scream 'concept car', but by some
miracle, they actually got manufactured and sold and are driven!  We all
drive something exceptional that broke tradition, even for just a brief
moment. 
By the way, nice color choice for that Infiniti gullwing concept car.   Silver.
Oliver
Vin#10694



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:32:11 EST
From: ttanaka504_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: How difference between 500+ page Vinyl repair manual and vender's one

Dear, list:

      Hello, list. I found the OLD DeLorean 500+ page Vinyl repair manual   
in ebay last night, and wonder How difference between this and a repair 
manual from D venders?
Please can anyone tell me about it.

     you may see the picture from 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewitem&item=1875505454&
ssPageName=ADME:X:ON:US:2

    I think this was made for delorean dealers and it looks like contain 
extra pictures for more detailing about Delorean than one I got from a D 
vender. Also anyone on the list know where can I get this?
Please answer my questions if you have a extra time.  
thank you

Blacknight

    



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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:47:03 -0600
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: A new great spare tire debate?

A front tire will fit in the well where the 
spare is stored.  A rear will not.  The 
alternative is to put the flat rear tire
on the engine cover below the louvers and
drive REAL SLOW to a place where you can 
get the tire fixed.  It's handy to keep 
a bungee cord in the glove box just in 
case this happens.  You can use the cord
to hold down the louvers.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: John Gedeon [mailto:johne_g_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 1:05 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] A new great spare tire debate?


Being a future owner am I to understand that the
delorean , if it got a flat and you had a passenger
and no luggage rack there would be no room for the
flat tire? even where the spare was stored??
John




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 10:50:34 -0600
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: PRV, why so cramped?

The engine itself isn't cramped, it's the way it's installed.

No car is designed for maintenance.  The primary concern
of the manufacturer is to design a car they can build
with the least amount of fuss and cost (relatively).
Maintenance is an owner problem.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Tester [mailto:scott_at_dml_delorean.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:43 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] PRV, why so cramped?


I made an attempt to change my spark plugs and wires today and was
disappointed by how poorly the PRV is designed for maintanence access. It
appears that I will have to remove some of the fuel injector hoses and many
other things just to access the spark plug wells. Why was the PRV designed
so crampy?

Anyone know a where I can find a guide to do this properly?

Scott Tester     scott(at)delorean(dot)com





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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 09:04:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: A new great spare tire debate?

Ah, Murray, you are a lucky dog.  I have experienced a
blowout (at nearly 80 mph) on a rear tire in the
middle of Wyoming (that is the smae as saying in the
middle of nowhere).  

Had I asked the wife to hitchhike, my voice today
would be several octaves higher.  

Perhaps you've got more balls that I have (pun
intended).

Dick
--- Murray Fisher <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net> wrote:
> Dick,
> 	Being a frugal person I have not bought a spare
> tire rack.   I figured I
> could put the flat in the front seat and let the
> wife hitch hike home.   I
> have not proven that theory yet tho.
> 	Murray fisher
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:27:19 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: How difference between 500+ page Vinyl repair manual and vender's one

I you combine the parts book, workshop manual and Technical manual or some 
combination there of, you can get 500+ pages. That's most likely what they 
did.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com


<<       Hello, list. I found the OLD DeLorean 500+ page Vinyl repair manual  
 
 in ebay last night, and wonder How difference between this and a repair 
 manual from D venders?
 Please can anyone tell me about it. >>



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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:37:39 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: PRV, why so cramped?

Scott, I don't know why car manufactures go to the pains of making some jobs 
so hard. My Ford explorer on the left side you have to be a contortionist to 
get to two plugs and go thru the wheel well to change out one. 
With a light and a little WD40 sprayed around the rubber hoses, a socket 
extension will slip down nicely and with long handle/nose needle pliers will 
work well in putting the plug wire on and off. The pliers are on the web site 
under hardware.
http://www.specialtauto.com/hardware.shtml
John Hervey


<< I made an attempt to change my spark plugs and wires today and was 
disappointed by how poorly the PRV is designed for maintenance access. It 
appears that I will have to remove some of the fuel injector hoses and many 
other things just to access the spark plug wells. Why was the PRV designed so 
crampy? 
 
 Anyone know a where I can find a guide to do this properly? 
 
 Scott Tester     scott(at)delorean(dot)com
  >>



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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:28:24 -0800
From: "Jan Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>
Subject: RE: A new great spare tire debate?

( Moderator's note: I can't think of another think that could be said about hauling a spare tire and the subject looks ready to start back around with the same stories so I'm killing it. )


Okay you all!!
The rear tyre will just fit in the front luggage compartment with the
hood slightly up and dislodged. Because it is hinged at the front the
hood will never come up and be a hazard whatsoever. As simple as that.
You don't even have to drive slow using this method. With it on the
engine compartment, you block you rear view and that is more a hazard
then anything. This is the safest way to drive a spare to a garage!!
Bye
10250

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Griese [mailto:mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 8:47 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] A new great spare tire debate?

A front tire will fit in the well where the 
spare is stored.  A rear will not.  The 
alternative is to put the flat rear tire
on the engine cover below the louvers and
drive REAL SLOW to a place where you can 
get the tire fixed.  It's handy to keep 
a bungee cord in the glove box just in 
case this happens.  You can use the cord
to hold down the louvers.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: John Gedeon [mailto:johne_g_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 1:05 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] A new great spare tire debate?


Being a future owner am I to understand that the
delorean , if it got a flat and you had a passenger
and no luggage rack there would be no room for the
flat tire? even where the spare was stored??
John



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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:20:42 -0800
From: "William F. Lane" <blane_at_dml_triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: How difference between 500+ page Vinyl repair manual and vender's one

Blacknight,

This manual looks like one of the set that the now defunct DeLorean 
Motor Club of America used to sell.  My set, purchased from them, 
appears to be a photocopy but the vinyl covers appear to be the same. 
 They were all probably photocopies not just mine.

Bill Lane
Vin #3635




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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:38:05 -0000
From: "Adam <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: PRV, why so cramped?

I don't think you have to remove any fuel hoses or anything. But 
taking the intake manifold off helps... thats what everyone told me 
to do.

Adam


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Scott Tester <scott_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> I made an attempt to change my spark plugs and wires today and was 
disappointed by how poorly the PRV is designed for maintanence 
access. It appears that I will have to remove some of the fuel 
injector hoses and many other things just to access the spark plug 
wells. Why was the PRV designed so crampy? 
> 
> Anyone know a where I can find a guide to do this properly? 
> 
> Scott Tester     scott(at)delorean(dot)com
> 
> 
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 04:00:59 -0000
From: "dmcburn75 <dmcburn75_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <dmcburn75_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Frame issues

After looking at many DeLorean's for sale, I think I am going to bite
the bullet and purchase a refurbished car from DMC in TX. I am in the
process of calculating the difference in a refurb or a good daily
driver. My main concern is the frame. Many cars I have looked at have
had some rust on them, and some very clean. My question to the list is
the idea of coating the frame(por-15). Even If I purchase a great car
with no rust I will want to have the frame coated as I live in the
northeast. What is the cost to do something like this at a shop like
PJ Grady's? I am assuming it is fairly labor intensive to seperate the
frame, coat it, then reassemble...am I wrong? If it isnt a five
thousand dollar job then maybe I will consider that car in great shape
and not a refurb for nearly 40k. Thanks again all!

-Kirk McLeod




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