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Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:24 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Part needed, HELP
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

2. Re: Parts cars
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

3. Re: Part needed, HELP
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

4. A vote for not Parting out
From: doctordhd_at_dml_aol.com

5. Any Clue?? HELP!
From: "David W. Silek" <dsilek_at_dml_msn.com>

6. Re: Part needed, HELP
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

7. CIS Fuel System
From: "drdhdmd <doctordhd_at_dml_aol.com>" <doctordhd_at_dml_aol.com>

8. DeLorean in Illinois
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: Vacuum tubing
From: "Harold McElraft <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

10. Re: Part needed, HELP
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

11. Re: Parts cars [Soul of a car]
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

12. Re: A vote for not Parting out
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. Re: Re: Sad Delorean on Ebay/Part car pirates you suc&!
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

14. Re: BTTF Dvd Trilogy
From: illyana delorean <illyana_at_dml_mindspring.com>

15. Re: Sad Delorean on Ebay/Part car pirates you suc&!
From: "James LaLonde <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>

16. Re: Any Clue?? HELP!
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

17. Re: Re: Sad Delorean on Ebay/Part car pirates you suc&!
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

18. Re: A vote for not Parting out
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. Re: Any Clue?? HELP!
From: "Rob Hook" <rob_hook_at_dml_cavtel.net>

20. Re: Any Clue?? HELP!
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com

21. 4009 project
From: "James LaLonde <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>

22. Re: A vote for not Parting out
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>

23. Re: A Vote for Not Parting Out
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

24. Re: new V6
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

25. Re: Any Clue?? HELP!
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:21:04 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Part needed, HELP

If all that is wrong with the part is a stripped out bolt hole either
buy a kit to repair it or take it to a shop that can do it for you. It
will be a lot cheaper and faster and once done correctly the repair
will be invisible. This is a pretty standard kind of thing to do when
working on cars especailly with aluminum parts. Of course if the part
is bent or distorted it may be necessary to replace it but that is
very uncommon. The venders cannot list EVERY part that they have
especially the used ones which in this case they may be able to supply
as used. You would be amazed at what they can come up with if you ask,
just don't let the price upset you! This is why I suggest you first
try to repair the part first.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "James LaLonde <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_e...>"
<deloreandmcxii_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> I noticed that neither PJ Grady or DMCH have this particular part in 
> thier cataloge, though I've yet to call.
> It's listed as #10 in the Engine:Air Induction (1-4-1) section of the 
> parts manual.
> It's the piece of tubing between the air mixture chamber and the w-
> pipe, the part with the butterfly plates in it. Not sure what you'd 
> call it.
> The only reason I need one is because the hole that the bolt that 
> holds the w-pipe to this piece is stripped out.
> 
> So, I'm looking for a used one. If anyone has a lead on one, I'd 
> appreciate it. Contact me off list to arrange payment etc..
> 
> 
> thanks.
> James LaLonde




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:35:03 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Parts cars

As parts get more and more expensive and scarce you will see more cars
parted out that could potentially be restored. It is a fact-of-life in
the car hobby. The main thing is a legal owner is able to do whatever
he wants to with his car, from using it to burying it to taking it
apart piece by piece. An extreme example is what Dave Stragard bought.
That car was a parts car if there ever was one! In fact there was no
unit completly assembled including the alternater and starter! He
bought it not really knowing if everything was even there. Giving
credit where credit is due he brought it back to life. Sometimes a car
that should have "died" is resurrected and sometimes a car that could
have rebuilt is not. If it bothers someone so much that a car is being
parted out then buy all of the parts and "bring it back to life". Put
your money where your mouth is or let others do as they please. You
will quickly learn the economics of car repair and sales. No one
should be offended by these remarks because no matter what you think
of Deloreans they are just cars and that's how they are valued in this
world. Parts cars serve a valuable purpose to the car hobby. In many
cases it is only through parts cars that "die" others may "live". To
bring back a basket case could use up many parts that could keep other
cars going longer.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_M...> wrote:
> This whole "parts car" issue is simple:
> 
> Let's just declare the "soul" of a D to be the left front fender (the 
> weakest link in the restoration chain, no?). Then, if you are trying to 
> decide whether a particular car is worth restoring, you just have to 
> decide whether you can either (a) salvage the fender or (b) somehow 
> come up with another one. This makes the total number of "parts cars" 
> more-or-less well-defined:  It is the total number of cars minus the 
> total number of left front fenders.   :-)
> 
> 
> --Pete Lucas
>    VIN #06703




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:16:27 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Part needed, HELP

James, It's called the throttle body. You should be able to pick up a good 
clean used one. I know where. Or you might just put in a heli coil.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com

<< I noticed that neither PJ Grady or DMCH have this particular part in 
 thier cataloge, though I've yet to call.
 It's listed as #10 in the Engine:Air Induction (1-4-1) section of the 
 parts manual.
 It's the piece of tubing between the air mixture chamber and the w-
 pipe, the part with the butterfly plates in it. Not sure what you'd 
 call it.
 The only reason I need one is because the hole that the bolt that 
 holds the w-pipe to this piece is stripped out.
 
 So, I'm looking for a used one. If anyone has a lead on one, I'd 
 appreciate it. Contact me off list to arrange payment etc..
  >>



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:26:06 -0500
From: doctordhd_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: A vote for not Parting out

My car 6530 sat at PJ Grady's for 5 years.  As he said and I totally agreed, it had too many miles to economically fix and sell for a reasonable profit, BUT it was too good to part out.  That is where I came in.  It was perfect for me.  A car with a great body but one that needed alot of TLC and upgrading.  Finally I found a car I could afford and that I thought was worth the price.  Thank you Rob Grady! 6530 lives again!  (and if it gets a bit warmer here in NY I'll be able start doing some of the work) and thanks to all of you who have helped me in the past and who I'm sure I can count on in the future.

Dave
6530



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:38:03 -0500
From: "David W. Silek" <dsilek_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Any Clue?? HELP!

Here is where I am in getting my D. back on the road.  Any comments or
suggestions are most welcome!

1) D. sits for 1 year
2)Take D into shop to get waterpump installed, fluids, belts and window
motor and drop $1000.
3) Go to start D. and it won't turn over. Mechanic gives it a shot of ether
and it starts.  I have never had to give the D a shot of ether to get her
going.
4) Drive D around town to charge battery and return to the house.
5) After having been in the house for 10-15 minutes go back out to the D. to
start her up planning to return to Fairfax, Va from my family home in Front
Royal and the D. won't start.  I try the ether -- also a no go.

Any clue?




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 04:30:00 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Part needed, HELP

The bad news is one of those sold yesterday on eBay for $32...

Did you end up using a helicoil on your water pump bolt? If not,
here's another great opportunity to put one in. And it's a whole lot
easier to access! (personally I'd drill it off the car). As before,
you may end up converting to SAE. Be gentle -- cast aluminum is almost
too easy to drill and tap.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "James LaLonde <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_e...>"
<deloreandmcxii_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> I noticed that neither PJ Grady or DMCH have this particular part in 
> thier cataloge, though I've yet to call.
> It's listed as #10 in the Engine:Air Induction (1-4-1) section of the 
> parts manual.
> It's the piece of tubing between the air mixture chamber and the w-
> pipe, the part with the butterfly plates in it. Not sure what you'd 
> call it.
> The only reason I need one is because the hole that the bolt that 
> holds the w-pipe to this piece is stripped out.
> 
> So, I'm looking for a used one. If anyone has a lead on one, I'd 
> appreciate it. Contact me off list to arrange payment etc..
> 
> 
> thanks.
> James LaLonde




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 05:28:34 -0000
From: "drdhdmd <doctordhd_at_dml_aol.com>" <doctordhd_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: CIS Fuel System

Does anyone have any ideas on how to measure the fuel comsumption of 
a DeLorean in such a way that it can be used in a miles per gallon 
calculation?  I have seen something called a CIS air flow 
potentiometer on the CIS system for an Audi that is used for their 
trip computer but 'our" CIS system does not have that.   Is there 
another way to compute fuel flow.  Could I use the info from the 
frequency valve and RPM?  I may put some magnets on the drive shaft 
and have a sensor read the speed of the car.  Is speed information 
available from the automatic transmission computer?

Thanks again,

Dave
6530




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 02:46:07 EST
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean in Illinois

Does anyone in the Chicagoland area know what ever happened to the 82 
DeLorean that was at a repair shop in Geneva a few years back.  All this talk 
about DeLoreans that had been sitting for years reminded me of that one.  

In fact seeing that DeLorean back in 1995 reminded me of how much I wanted 
one.  This car had sad story to tell.  The plates expired in 1988, and the 
car had been towed to the shop in Oct of 94.  The shop had done a bunch of 
work to the car, but the owner never paid the bill. So the car just sat for a 
few years.  It needed some more fuel system work, interior work and a general 
clean up, but it would have been a nice car.

In any case the owner of the car wanted no less then $13K, plus before the 
car could be sold the bill at the repair shop also had to be paid.  It was 
about the same time that I found mine for $5K, mine needed about the same 
ammont of work, so I made the better economical choice.

I haven't seen the car there at the shop for a few years, and I wondered if 
anyone knew what happened to her?  Hopefully that story had a happy ending.

Andrew
4194



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:05:57 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Vacuum tubing

Phil

Likely it is the hose to the recirculation vacuum motor that is 
activated when you turn to MAX on AC.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "vin2105 <phil_at_dml_a...>" <phil_at_dml_a...> 
wrote:
> Yesterday I took the binacle out to clean up the former owners 
idea of  
> aftermarket stereo installation ( a taped bundle of wires almost 
as big around 
> as my wrist)  and found a small hard plastic vacuum tube running 
under the 
> binacle that had been melted in half at some point when a wire had 
shorted 
> and burnt. 
> Could someone please tell me the function of this tube and what  
kind of 
> vacuum related problem fixing this will clear up.
> 
> Thanks
> Phil Priestley
> vin 2105




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:59:28 -0500
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Part needed, HELP

In a message dated 1/20/2003 7:47:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com writes:

> So, I'm looking for a used one. If anyone has a lead on 
> one, I'd 
> appreciate it. Contact me off list to arrange payment etc..
> 
> 
> thanks.
> James LaLonde

James,

both PJ Grady and DMCJoe have a wide selection of used parts, not to mention that they will certainly have a lead on this part if others don't.  i would strongly suggest calling Rob because i'm sure he can help you out.  he has been able to supply with out-of-inventory parts in the past!

always check the vendors first even if it's not in a catalog!
Andy



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:28:39 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Parts cars [Soul of a car]

The closest thing to a "soul" for a car is the Title which of course 
includes the vin #. There have been cars (not Deloreans) that have 
been built out of little more them a legal title and a motor. If you 
were to ever lose the title through salvage or theft now indeed you 
have a "parts car" because it can never be legaly registered so it is 
legaly just a collection of parts that happens to look like a car. 
This is the reason that there are 83's, the vin #'s and certifacates 
of origion where created by DMC before the cars where built so they 
where able to assemble the last group with the already asigned vin's.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_M...> wrote:
> This whole "parts car" issue is simple:
> 
> Let's just declare the "soul" of a D to be the left front fender 
(the 
> weakest link in the restoration chain, no?). Then, if you are trying 
to 
> decide whether a particular car is worth restoring, you just have to 
> decide whether you can either (a) salvage the fender or (b) somehow 
> come up with another one. This makes the total number of "parts 
cars" 
> more-or-less well-defined:  It is the total number of cars minus the 
> total number of left front fenders.   :-)
> 
> 
> --Pete Lucas
>    VIN #06703




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:36:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A vote for not Parting out

As the former owner of 6530, I was always glad that
Rob had not parted the car.  As Dave said, it was too
nice to be parted, but clearly needed some work.

I have exchanged a few emails with Dave and I am very
pleased to see 6530 find such a good home.  Geez, I
feel a bit like a uncle or a godfather.

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867


--- doctordhd_at_dml_aol.com wrote:
> My car 6530 sat at PJ Grady's for 5 years.  As he
> said and I totally agreed, it had too many miles to
> economically fix and sell for a reasonable profit,
> BUT it was too good to part out.  That is where I
> came in.  It was perfect for me.  A car with a great
> body but one that needed alot of TLC and upgrading. 
> Finally I found a car I could afford and that I
> thought was worth the price.  Thank you Rob Grady!
> 6530 lives again!  (and if it gets a bit warmer here
> in NY I'll be able start doing some of the work) and
> thanks to all of you who have helped me in the past
> and who I'm sure I can count on in the future.
> 
> Dave
> 6530
> 
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:40:03 -0500
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Sad Delorean on Ebay/Part car pirates you suc&!

Why would 37 cars not be on the road if you had not dismantled 3?  Were the
parts for those 37 not available at DMCHouston or some other parts source?
I think what the author was trying to say was that the delorean car has a
vin number and frame that is not replaceable and some people would just
strip a car for profit instead of trying to fix it.  The cars that you
described that were turned into parts cars do sound like they were serious
but I think there are 2 different ideas being batted around here.

Just my 2 cents.
Joseph Molino
vin 2850

----- Original Message -----
From: <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: [DML] Re: Sad Delorean on Ebay/Part car pirates you suc&!


> First you say:
>
> >So, with an abundant supply, and a type of vehicle that I'd be
> willing to say is
> > atleast 70% rustproof, what in the hell do we need parts cars for?
> There is
> > absolutely no justification.
>
> Then you say:
>
> > The moral of the story? With the exception of an ultra-severe
> wreck, every
> > DeLorean out there is a canidate for restoration.
>
> Which is it?  I have parted our 3 cars.  The first one had been
> stripped of just about everything before I got it.  This was due to
> the front end collision it was in 18 years prior.  It sat outside
> for that amount of time.  I parted out the panels.  In doing so i
> funded some major restorations on my car, and saved a lot of people
> a lot of money.
>
> One "restorable" car gone...at least 12 cars back on the road.
>
> The second parts car was toasted in a fire.  I parted out the front
> end and used some of the parts for my own, and used some of the
> money for more restorations on my car
>
> One "restorable car gone...at least 15, and counting, back on the
> road
>
> The third I am still working on parting out.  Major front end
> damage.  So far I have help 9 people fix there cars....and oh yea,
> helped mine along the way.
>
> lets see 12+15+9 equals 36...and oh yea...MINE!  That makes 37 cars
> back on the road, and 3 of them gone.  And thats not even true!  2
> of the parts cars are now in Rich W. hands.  Who knows what they
> will turn into.
>
> Now, lets get back to what you were saying.
>
> >So, with an abundant supply, and a type of vehicle that I'd be
> willing to say is
> > atleast 70% rustproof, what in the hell do we need parts cars for?
> There is
> > absolutely no justification.
>
> Still feel the same way?
>
> Yes, these cars are great.  But they should not be treated like
> gods.  Just because you do not feel a certain way about something
> doesn't mean that the rest of use are wrong.  Same holds true to
> the "You must keep everything stock" and the "Modify!!!" crowds.
> Personal opinion.  You can tell us your opinion, but
> remember...thats all it is.
> Oh, and in reply to an earlier post made by Todd:
>
> > If
> > your in the DeLorean comunity to make a profit then
> > you don't deserve to own one of these cars. Thats my
> > opion. I'm entiled to it. End of disscution.
>
> Hey John Hervey, Rob Grady and Darryl...SELL YOUR CARS!!!  You don't
> deserve them.
>
> Erik Geerdink
> 04512....would be dead if it weren't for parts cars
>
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:59:01 -0700
From: illyana delorean <illyana_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: BTTF Dvd Trilogy

*****  Moderator's Note  *****
This discussion is better suited for the BTTF newsgroup.
Please continue it there...

***** Mike G  Moderator of the week


>  >  BTW does anyone know if there are any "easter eggs" on the dvd's?
>>  David Teitelbaum
>>  vin 10757
>
>Here you go David. This link points out most of them. Although I always
>thought you had to do a certain sequence of button pushing on a dvd to get
>to Easter eggs, similar to accessing hidden moves on a video game.
>
>http://www.angelfire.com/retro/bttf/eggs.html
>

i don't think those are really considered "easter eggs" - i thought 
easter eggs were hidden DVD menus - for example, on the harry potter 
DVD, you have to get through a series of puzzles in order to access 
the deleted scenes.

i would also like to know of any BTTF easter eggs, if anyone knows 
where to find them!

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 23:06:57 -0000
From: "James LaLonde <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: Sad Delorean on Ebay/Part car pirates you suc&!

I'm going to have to side with Erik on this one.

Like Erik said, these are just cars. It's VERY VERY unlikly that 
EVERY wrecked or in-sad-shape DeLorean will find an owner with the 
financial means, the desire, and the ability to restore it. Therefore 
why not let the car live on equally well in other's cars.

Yes, it's wrong to part out a perfect or near perfect car. But you 
know what? It's not your car. People can use thier car for what ever 
reason they want to. They bought thiers just like everyone else. No 
one is more or less "Entitled" to own a DeLorean. Saying things like 
that makes one sound pompus and infatuated with the car.



See Erik, sarcasm can get you in trouble if mistaken.... Believe me I 
know. (ha!)


-James L 4009




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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:11:10 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Any Clue?? HELP!

Slow down, take a deep breath, then investigate potential problems one
by one:

First & foremost: is this classic "hot start" problem? (had mechanic
been running engine before you picked up car?). Plug warm up regulator
into cold start valve to force on. If car starts, you need a new fuel
accumulator. Don't forget to swap plugs back.

Step 2's:

Is car getting a spark? On most cars is easy to check simply by
discharging coil wire to block. Our burried distributors kind of rule
that method out, but you can check about as easily with a timing light.

Is fuel reaching cylinders? If my replacement PRV is representative,
fuel injectors just pop in. Cylinder 3 is easy access. Remove
injector, crack air sensor plate open, then energize vehicle (you
don't need to turn all the way to cranking position). Fuel should
spray briefly.

Do you have enough gas in tank? Don't laugh -- original sending units
pitiful. Just unscrew the unit and look into the tank. Before I
replaced mine discovered car would run with less than an inch of gas
in there (wasn't intentional guys. The old sender wasn't reading at
all and I forgot mileage since last fill up. Only realized gravity of
situation when I went around a curve. That's also when I sucked crap
into fuel system...)

Let us know if car fails any of above...

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David W. Silek" <dsilek_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Here is where I am in getting my D. back on the road.  Any comments or
> suggestions are most welcome!
> 
> 1) D. sits for 1 year
> 2)Take D into shop to get waterpump installed, fluids, belts and window
> motor and drop $1000.
> 3) Go to start D. and it won't turn over. Mechanic gives it a shot
of ether
> and it starts.  I have never had to give the D a shot of ether to
get her
> going.
> 4) Drive D around town to charge battery and return to the house.
> 5) After having been in the house for 10-15 minutes go back out to
the D. to
> start her up planning to return to Fairfax, Va from my family home
in Front
> Royal and the D. won't start.  I try the ether -- also a no go.
> 
> Any clue?




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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:39:03 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Sad Delorean on Ebay/Part car pirates you suc&!

The Delorean that I "saved" when building the 97 Delorean time machine 
was a total basket case.

The car had been underwater for 4 months.  the engine was shot, so was 
the transmission.  the interior was totally rotten. and the were 6 rats 
nests including damaged wiring from the rats.  The fuel system parts in 
the gas tank were totally corroded.

The stainless was painted imron black so it had to be totally stripped. 
 Luckily there were only to dings in the stainless. This basket case 
cost $3000.

Needless to say people thought I was a little crazy trying to restore 
this car.  However, this gave me the opportunity to make the delorean. 
Aluminum V8, 4 speed automatic, real full size windows. etc.

I was able to sell the engine and trans for spare parts, also the rear 
louver.  Otherwise, the rest was garbage. EVERYthing on the car had to 
be rebuilt.

Now i have the Delorean that I always wanted.  I hot rod that I can 
cruise in with the windows fully open.

If I had the time and money I would do it again, so my son can have one. 
 The think about restoring DeLoreans, (especially with SS frames) will 
last virtually forever.  No other car can be expected to last this long 
without additional periodic restoration.   Release that DeLorean can be 
the Family heirloom of the Future.

These trashed deloreans are opportunities not to restore the car to 
stock, but to make BETTER Deloreans to improve and update it so it will 
last forever.  








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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:32:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A vote for not Parting out

Found in the back of a used car lot in Maryland:

1981 Delorean vin 02650
Painted Black
108k miles
Sitting for 5+ years (outside)
Four flat tires
Windshield broken
Dash badly sun faded
Binacle cracked
Console ripped badly
Driver's door handle broken off
Louvers cracked in two
NO KEYS (and doors locked)
Fuel system completely deteriorated
Title "lost"

Parts Car?


No,  "PROJECT DELOREAN!"

This little orphan was definitely past the point of an
economical return to concours condition, but it was
complete.  Because of it's condition, I have no doubt
that 02650 had little chance of ever seeing the road
again and the fact that it was painted, meant it was
even a pretty sad excuse for a parts car. But it still
seemed to have potential.  I had some ideas for a
custom D, something I personally haven't seem enough
of, and once the title issue was rectified, the
project began.

I point this out not just as a shameless
self-promotion of my website www.projectdelorean.com,
but to offer an alternative to a standard restoration.
 I would never advocate hacking up a car that only
needed some TLC just for the sake of calling it
custom, but keep in mind that just because it wouldn't
be practical to "restore" a particular car, doesn't
mean that there aren't other alternatives
(www.projectdelorean.com), ones that would keep it
alive and get it back on the road again.  (And to
Pigeon Forge in 2004!)

Did I mention I've documented this project at
www.projectdelorean.com?   ; )



=====
Steve

VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean")
www.projectdelorean.com

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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:44:01 -0500
From: "Rob Hook" <rob_hook_at_dml_cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: Any Clue?? HELP!

David,

I almost hate to bring this up but when the D was parked for 1 year, did it
have gas in the tank?

If so, you may be suffering one of the worst DeLorean calamities known.  If
you've been here for any amount of time you've probably seen people talk
about the fuel pump boot.  This boot suspends the fuel pump inside the gas
tank.  Unfortunately, the rubber used to make this boot is not compatible
with old gas that may have formed varnishes.  The boot will soften and then
literally melt into the gas supply.  The melted rubber is then sucked into
the fuel system clogging the fuel distributor, the injectors and all the
filters as well as almost every other part that handles the fuel.

Checking the boot is not difficult.  Remove your spare tire and the umpteen
phillips screws in the large plastic panel under it.  Once that panel is
removed you'll see two round covers on top of the fuel tank.  One is plastic
with wires coming out of it, the other looks like rubber with hoses coming
out of it (and two small wires).  Remove the large hose clamp holding the
rubber cover in place.

At this point you're about to open the fuel tank.  Take every precaution
about working safely with gasoline.  The car should be off at this point
and, of course, don't smoke.

Once the large hose clamp is off, you should be able to lift the entire fuel
pump and rubber boot out of the tank and have a look at it.  Rub it with
your finger and see if it's very soft and oozing.  If so, write back and
we'll help you with the much larger problem you may now have.

Now, if that's NOT it, it could be almost anything.  Since the ether isn't
working, it is most likely something related to the spark.  Take one of the
spark plugs out and ground the tip of it to something (FAR away from the
ether or any other source of gas) and have someone crank the car.  If you
can't see any spark, concentrate on wiring and the coil.

Write back and let us know what you found.

--Rob Hook

-----Original Message-----
From: David W. Silek [mailto:dsilek_at_dml_msn.com]
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:38 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Any Clue?? HELP!


Here is where I am in getting my D. back on the road.  Any comments or
suggestions are most welcome!

1) D. sits for 1 year
2)Take D into shop to get waterpump installed, fluids, belts and window
motor and drop $1000.
3) Go to start D. and it won't turn over. Mechanic gives it a shot of ether
and it starts.  I have never had to give the D a shot of ether to get her
going.
4) Drive D around town to charge battery and return to the house.
5) After having been in the house for 10-15 minutes go back out to the D. to
start her up planning to return to Fairfax, Va from my family home in Front
Royal and the D. won't start.  I try the ether -- also a no go.

Any clue?



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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:58:02 EST
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Any Clue?? HELP!

Well if it wont even start with ether that could be a spark problem.  I would 
check that first.  A few years ago a similar problem happened to me, and a 
new coil cured the problem. Be sure to check the timing also.  

It is also possable that the engine is getting flooded due to a problem in 
the fuel system.  I had a blockage in the return line that caused mine to 
start flooding a few years back.

Just some ideas.  Hope this helps.
Andrew
4194



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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:34:10 -0000
From: "James LaLonde <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: 4009 project

A few people asked what happened with my water pump bolt bolt;
so here's an update.

I just order a few last-minute parts, including the idle-speed tube's 
oring retaining clip, some fuel distributor bolts, waterpump hoses... 
and a throttle body.
I've had bad experieced trying to 'fix' threads or broken bolts... 
bad luck I guess. So I figure for 40 bucks I'll buy a new one.

As for the water pump's lower bolt. I said "#$%& it," which (though 
not literally) was Mr Grady's advice. I figure the two top bolts and 
the radiator piping and the throttle spool bracket that bolts to the 
top of the therm-housing should hold the pump well enough.

After I receieve my latest volley of parts, and few more hours worth 
of reassembly. it's be the moment of truth!! 

I found a few people willing to sell me a throttle body... so thanks 
to all who offered!

--James LaLonde 004009




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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:38:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A vote for not Parting out

What was that website again Steve? I missed it, lol.
I've gotten alot of awesome Ideas from Steves site and
all the project sites on that note. A car can be
modified and still restored ~evil grin~ There are no
limits just that of the owners imagination. Dream big,
live the life! :D

Todd
Vin 5386
--- Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> Found in the back of a used car lot in Maryland:
> 
> 1981 Delorean vin 02650
> Painted Black
> 108k miles
> Sitting for 5+ years (outside)
> Four flat tires
> Windshield broken
> Dash badly sun faded
> Binacle cracked
> Console ripped badly
> Driver's door handle broken off
> Louvers cracked in two
> NO KEYS (and doors locked)
> Fuel system completely deteriorated
> Title "lost"
> 
> Parts Car?
> 
> 
> No,  "PROJECT DELOREAN!"
> 
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:56:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: A Vote for Not Parting Out

Found in the back of a used car lot in Maryland:

1981 Delorean vin 02650
Painted Black
108k miles
Sitting for 5+ years (outside)
Four flat tires
Windshield broken
Dash badly sun faded
Binacle cracked
Console ripped badly
Driver's door handle broken off
Louvers cracked in two
NO KEYS (and doors locked)
Fuel system completely deteriorated
Title "lost"

Parts Car?


No,  "PROJECT DELOREAN!"

This little orphan was definitely past the point of an
economical return to concours condition, but it was
complete.  Because of it's condition, I have no doubt
that 02650 had little chance of ever seeing the road
again and the fact that it was painted, meant it was
even a pretty sad excuse for a parts car. But it still
seemed to have potential.  I had some ideas for a
custom D, something I personally haven't seem enough
of, and once the title issue was rectified, the
project began.

I point this out not just as a shameless
self-promotion of my website www.projectdelorean.com,
but to offer an alternative to a standard restoration.
 I would never advocate hacking up a car that only
needed some TLC just for the sake of calling it
custom, but keep in mind that just because it wouldn't
be practical to "restore" a particular car, doesn't
mean that there aren't other alternatives
(www.projectdelorean.com), ones that would keep it
alive and get it back on the road again.  (And to
Pigeon Forge in 2004!)

Did I mention I've documented this project at
www.projectdelorean.com?   ; )



=====
Steve

VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean")
www.projectdelorean.com

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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:12:51 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: new V6

Sorry for the delay: Just got this back from my engine guy:-

> That mail about the PSA engine is incorrect. The PSA engine
> came out in about '97 and was fitted to Renault Laguna's, Peugeot 406's and some
> Citroens. It produced 194 bhp out of the box. The new V6 is a different kettle
> of fish. It is a collaboration between Renault and Nissan (Ren have the
> controlling share of nissan) and is 3.5 litre, it is fitted in the Renault
> Vel Satis and the Nissan 350Z. The bellhousing bolt spacing is completely different on
both
> these units to the PRV family of V6's.

Well, there you go....

Martin

"ferdaniraphael " wrote:

> You can see in the files section a pic of the new PSA V6.You can t
> call it a PRV since it's actually designed by Renault and
> Nissan...and I'm not sure the bell housing pattern is the same as
> the "old" PRV. But if you're looking for a performance swap while
> keeping your car "original",powerful PRVs equipped French cars like
> the Renault Alpine ( turbo )or the Venturi ( single or twin turbo ).
> Latest versions of this engines were 4cams 24valves, 300hp.If you
> can read French, you can find such engines for sale in the ad
> section of an Alpine related
> site :http://alpinerenault.free.fr/annonces/frannalpinepiecevente.php
> In response to John,The PRV equipped the Peugeot 604.I was told this
> car was sold on the US market in late 70s/early80s..... Did anyone
> ever saw one ????
> Raphael




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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:35:13 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Any Clue?? HELP!

Following up on the assumption that it is an ignition system problem
there are 2 common things to check. Look at the white thing on the
firewall to the left. Make sure all of the connections are on, clean,
and tight. The other common problem is a bad pick-up coil in the
distributer, they seem to go bad when warmed up. Pull a spark plug
wire off and see if there is a spark when cranking.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, AJL521_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Well if it wont even start with ether that could be a spark problem.
 I would 
> check that first.  A few years ago a similar problem happened to me,
and a 
> new coil cured the problem. Be sure to check the timing also.  
> 
> It is also possable that the engine is getting flooded due to a
problem in 
> the fuel system.  I had a blockage in the return line that caused
mine to 
> start flooding a few years back.
> 
> Just some ideas.  Hope this helps.
> Andrew
> 4194




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