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Date: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:20 AM

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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Re: light covers
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>

2. Re: Engine sources
From: "Harold McElraft <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

3. Re: Re: Engine sources Whats Is Odd Fire
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

4. Re: Re: Engine sources
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

5. Cruise Control - Option 1
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Delorean book in odd places
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

7. RE: Cruise Control
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

8. Re: No Cal D shops
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com

9. Re: Optima charger
From: ttanaka504_at_dml_aol.com

10. Sales Price
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Trans Computer- Update
From: Greg Linstad <greglinstad_at_dml_resrchintl.com>

12. Gullwing Magazines shipped!
From: "gullwingmagazine <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>

13. Rebuilding starters
From: Sonny V <sonnyvr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 06:10:10 -0800
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: Re: light covers

In the older DeLorean World mags, were many ads from time to time, for so
called "blackout" covers, both for front and rear.    Some had three shades
of tint or clear.  One claimed a tint that had 95% transmission of light so
that it was legal to leave on at night!  Not sure if I believe that claim or
not!  One even had a tiny DeLorean emblem in chrome on one corner....neato.
I think most fastened on with velcro so you could easily take them off at
night, if need be, and stash them in the trunk, like a T Top!!  Personally I
liked the Blackout Look,  Makes the D kind of "dark and mysterious".  But
everyone to their own poison, I always say!!

I talked to a local glass company about MAKING me a cover and they said, no
problem and I could save money by making the pattern and giving it to
them....it would be of Lexan.  They had done several for other brands of
cars and were really professionally done with polished edges.  I did not
have it done though.
	Murray
	Vin: 05962
	Lic:  DMC-XII






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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 18:09:21 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Engine sources

Don
I think the terminology has been messed up. I think everyone means 
uneaven firing order vs even firing order. Delorean is uneaven = 
163524; even firing order = 142536. I think I got it right.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, DMC12Don_at_dml_a... wrote:
>         OK. I've tried to guess and have worked in the auto repair 
business 
> over 20 years, but I have yet to figure out what you mean by "odd 
fired" 
> engine.  Could you explain that one for me?
>        Don VIN 6860
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 17:41:35 -0500
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Re: Engine sources Whats Is Odd Fire

Look at the distributor cap on the PRV and you will see there are unequal distances between the plug wires. You will find 3 groups of 2. The engine does not fire at even 60 degree intervals as an even fire 6 would. This is reflected in everything else in the engine that is timing dependent, like the crank and the cams.
Jim 6147

DMC12Don_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

>        OK. I've tried to guess and have worked in the auto repair business 
>over 20 years, but I have yet to figure out what you mean by "odd fired" 
>engine.  Could you explain that one for me?
>       Don VIN 6860
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:51:27 -0800
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Engine sources

>         OK. I've tried to guess and have worked in the >auto repair
business
> over 20 years, but I have yet to figure out what you >mean by "odd fired"
> engine.  Could you explain that one for me?
>        Don VIN 6860

Engine manufacturers commonly design engines with two opposing cylinders
sharing one crankshaft journal. This is cheaper than making a crankshaft
with a separate journal for each cylinder and is entirely adequate for
everyday driving. When the cylinders are arranged in a 90 degree
configuration with 6 opposing cylinders like the DeLorean's,  the
mathematics work out to one opposing cylinder creating more crankshaft
rotation than the other. One turns the crank 120 degrees and the other 60
degrees. Ignition and valve timing must be tuned to this configuration so
there is an odd firing sequence between opposing cylinders. 
Adding 2 more cylinders to make a 90 degree V-8 makes the math work out even
firing with two cylinders sharing a common journal. Newer designed V-6's are
done with the cylinders opposed at 60 degrees which makes the math work out
even. It's my understanding the engine in the DeLorean was originally
designed as a V-8 which in a 90 degree configuration works out to even
firing. When 2 cylinders were lopped off it became odd firing.

Bruce Benson





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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:41:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Cruise Control - Option 1

Not to  sound like a walking/typing commercial for Dave Bauerle but . . .  he
does have and installs cruise control in DeLoreans.

You can reach him here: 740-595-3348

Shannon Y


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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 04:16:59 -0000
From: "milo4845 <wayne_at_dml_knothole.net>" <wayne_at_dml_knothole.net>
Subject: Cruise Control

I have a 1983 5 Speed. I want to install a Cruise Control. Any 
suggestions? 

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:30:50 -0500
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Delorean book in odd places

Hi everyone....
 
Long time, no posting from me..been kinda busy.
 
Anyway...I was in VT last weekend doing some snowboarding, and was
staying at a bed and breakfast.  There was a whole wall of books for
people to read to kill time and relax.  I was commenting to someone
about "I bet all of these books suck...and I can't imagine finding one
that would be interesting to read"....
 
lo and behold..I was going to eat my words!
 
Just then in front of my, I spotted JZD's autobiography....signed no
less!
 
Just goes to show you...things like that turn up in funny places!
 
Kevin Abato
Vin #16680


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 17:32:57 -0500
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: Cruise Control

I have an AudioVox CCS 100 installed. If you don't mind parting with the clock, the control unit fits directly into its place without alteration. You can save the clock and keep it with the car to put back in later if you want.JC Whitney for $89.000.
Jim 6147


"milo4845 <wayne_at_dml_knothole.net>" <wayne_at_dml_knothole.net> wrote:

>I have a 1983 5 Speed. I want to install a Cruise Control. Any 
>suggestions? 
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:08:07 -0500
From: RJRavalli_at_dml_AOL.com
Subject: Re: No Cal D shops

Personally I go to a European auto shop in the central valley, in Modesto, called Kruse Lucas.  They have been working on Deloreans since the 80s and seem to know them pretty well.  Terri Lucas, one of the co-owners, is their main Delorean guy and I have always been happy with his work.  I've given them plenty of experience working on projects of mine for the last two years so they should be able to handle anything else you could throw at them.  They do charge a little more for labor but I think the attention they give to the car is usually worth it.

I've heard of others in the Bay Area as well as farther north in Sacramento, but I will have to let others comment about those. 

Richard  



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:39:09 EST
From: ttanaka504_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Optima charger


  Thank you very much for a live information.
I think I will go with On Board Power because it is only $80...
I used my charger with my ex-battery from Wal-mart, and the charger killed my 
ex.
Maybe I was too lazy to use an ordinary charger right, so now I go with 
Battery tender
with overcharging free

again Thank you for help

Blacknight 


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:54:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Sales Price

Page 23 of the February 10 issue of Autoweek magazine
comments upon the sale price of the 83 DeLorean at the
Barrett-Jackson Classic Car Auction.  They felt that
the $29,160 price was a bit more than they wold have
expected, especially for an automatic.  

Short piece with interesting comments.

Dick Ryan

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 14:20:12 -0800
From: Greg Linstad <greglinstad_at_dml_resrchintl.com>
Subject: Trans Computer- Update

Thanks to Adam, David, Elvis, John, Martin, Nick, and Rick who responded
last month to my post about replacing the infamous blown caps.

I'm pleased to report that with help from those listed above and the
excellent write-up with pictures in the archives by Mark Hershey (thank
you Mark wherever you are!) the tranny in VIN# 6214 now shifts
perfectly.
After removal of the computer assembly and inspection of the 2 circuit
boards inside (each about 2 by 2.5 inches), I discovered that one of the
caps was in fact blown out like Mark's picture showed and the other was
starting to bulge out. Remember this car sat for years and has less than
10,000 miles. I located the replacement parts (most from an on-line
source like Digikey or Newark) and prepared to remove parts. I did not
totally unsolder the boards from the cable they are attached to, just
carefully spread them apart to be able to work on both sides. Removal of
the conformal coating to get a clean surface for soldering proved more
difficult than I expected. After trying every solvent I had, I obtained
the best results using a furniture stripper gel that dissolved the
coating very well. I used a copper mesh strip called Solder-Wick to
remove the solder from the areas of rework, which 'soaked up' the
existing solder when hot enough so the parts just fell out. I decided to
use the highest value cap suggested (50 volt tantalum) which was larger
than the old ones and would not allow the board to slide back into the
slot in the housing. These slots orient the boards parallel to the sides
of the housing, but due to the larger size of the 2 caps I put the first
board into the second one's slot with the other board not in a slot but
resting against the inner corner. This made the boards sit at an angle
but still held in place within the housing (anyone who has seen these
boards will understand what I mean). Sprayed new conformal coating on
the repairs, put that white conductive grease on the 2 replaced
transistors, put everything back together, drove the car to work this
morning and it shifted like a new car.
If anyone else is thinking of doing this, you should try. It is not at
all that difficult.

Greg Linstad
pndc.org
VIN # 3507  121,000+ miles   5 speed
VIN#  6214    9,600 miles   Automatic (now shifting perfectly)




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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 22:25:42 -0000
From: "gullwingmagazine <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Gullwing Magazines shipped!

All Gullwing Magazine subscriptions were shipped today.  Watch for 
them in your mailbox.  If you haven't subscribed yet, it's not too 
late to get issue one now.  

Issue two is expected out in April just before DMC Houston's 
Concours/Open House in May.  Look for tips on how to prepare your car 
for Concours competition.  There will also be articles including 
feature cars, customizing, maintenance and other goodies.  

Thank you for your interest.  See you soon.

Ron & Cheryl
gullwingmagazine(at)juno.com




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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:45:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Sonny V <sonnyvr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Rebuilding starters

I had a similar problem with the starter, and spoke at
length about it with Warren at DMC (Texas). He said
that many of the internal parts in the starter are
non-existent, and anyone who says they rebuild them
are only disassembling and cleaning them up. I
confirmed this with a half-dozen or so other shops and
rebuilders around the country before bitig the bullet
and buying a new one. The Rhone starters are not prone
to failure, but after 20 years it's not surprising to
see some of them starting to do so.

Sonny
#3669

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