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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1378
Date: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:57 AM

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: NO start update
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: Rebuilding starters
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Re: Cruise Control
From: "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade_at_dml_hotmail.com>

4. Re: Cruise Control
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

5. Re: Cruise Control
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

6. Re: Cruise Control (Audiovox CCS100)
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

7. looking for Joel B. Vest of DeLorean & DMCA
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

8. How to subscribe to Gullwing Magazine
From: gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com

9. Re: Rebuilding starters
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. Re: No Cal D shops
From: Scott Tester <scott_at_dml_delorean.com>

11. Re: NO start update
From: "paul.salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

12. Re: Cruise Control
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

13. Re: Cruise Control (Audiovox CCS100)
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

14. Re: Cruise Control (Audiovox CCS100)
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:19:56 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: NO start update

Paul, That's why I call it starter drag. Even though it was rebuilt recently 
and 1 year in a starters life is recent. The center rotor get out of balance 
for several reasons and either drags or hits the outer fields.
John Hervey
  

<< Last night I removed the starter from the car, and
 tried to fire it on the workbench, and found the
 problem, The solenoid will fire, and engages on the
 starter, however the starter does not turn, I think
 it's dead.
  >>



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:11:00 -0800 (PST)
From: john fredt <hecklerkochgmbh_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rebuilding starters


 
I had a similar problem with the starter, and spoke at
length about it with Warren at DMC (Texas). He said
that many of the internal parts in the starter are
non-existent, and anyone who says they rebuild them
are only disassembling and cleaning them up. ----<snip>


Rebuilding a starter mostly involves simply cleaning it out,replacing the brushes (I gurantee that the brushes that fit do exsist since almost all are similar) and replacing failed relays.It is fairly easy to order replacement relays and selenoids that work.If anything else has failed (like the field coils are burned) then it is junk anyway and cheaper and faster to get a new one.







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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 09:49:37 -0500
From: "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cruise Control

I generated a document about a year ago concerning installation of a cruise
control.  I passed it to a couple of folks for comment but received no
feedback (not complaining because these people are busy too).  In any case I
have posted that document to the files section.

As stated in the file, it is base on input from many sources.  I have not
verified the web links still work nor could I guarantee it works, is safe,
is reliable, etc...  I can tell you it is based on a design that (I've been
told) has been installed in several vehicles and I still have high hopes of
giving it a try in the future (sorry other repairs had to come first).

I ask that those interested take a peak at this document and make comments
so a better product/reference would be made available for all.

The title (of course) is "D-Cruise.doc".  I saved it as an MS Word file so
the graphics would be include in one document (57k).

Hope this helps.

Ed Garbade
10541

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From: <wayne_at_dml_knothole.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:16 PM
Subject: [DML] Cruise Control


> I have a 1983 5 Speed. I want to install a Cruise Control. Any
> suggestions?
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:48:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Cruise Control

My car also has cruise... I believe it also came from JC Whitney. It's a Dakota system, and much like other systems, the controls mount perfectly where the clock is. I just took down the pictures of my installation in the Photos Section of the Yahoo Groups site a couple of weeks ago... guess I need to upload them again.

Louie Golden
#10115 Sanford, NC (Charlotte this week!)

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:04:08 -0500
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Cruise Control

I have not seen an acceptable installation of a cruise control yet. I have a
brand new unit still in the box and haven't installed it yet because of the
way the throttle cable spool is set. The way the cruise control module pulls
the throttle spool makes the throttle cabel go slack and may fall off the
spool locking the throttle in wide open position. Unless you can find a way
to have the cruise control module pull directly on the throttle cable, like
from the passenger compartment, I would NOT suggest you install it.

Dave Sontos
vin 02573
----- Original Message -----
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To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:16 PM
Subject: [DML] Cruise Control


> I have a 1983 5 Speed. I want to install a Cruise Control. Any
> suggestions?
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 04:36:07 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Cruise Control (Audiovox CCS100)

Since you suggested to list, I ask details in this forum:

I've got the same unit not yet installed. What did you use for pulse
generation? Am considering tying into Lamda sender on speedo cable. If
you did same, how many PPM's did you set it for (SW1 and SW2)?

Supplied cable on servo is way too long. Where did you install? Am
considering shortening cable to fit servo in engine compartment
(driver's pontoon).

My rheostat is DOA (not even part of modified headlight circuit) so
that's where I plan to install the dash control. Will route wires
through shaft hole, and keep the clock (it's at such a convenient
angle to view!).

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jwit6_at_dml_c... wrote:
> I have an AudioVox CCS 100 installed. If you don't mind parting with
the clock, the control unit fits directly into its place without
alteration. You can save the clock and keep it with the car to put
back in later if you want.JC Whitney for $89.000.
> Jim 6147
> 
> 
> "milo4845 <wayne_at_dml_k...>" <wayne_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> 
> >I have a 1983 5 Speed. I want to install a Cruise Control. Any 
> >suggestions? 
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 00:07:05 EST
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: looking for Joel B. Vest of DeLorean & DMCA

I'm doing some research on the old DMCA club and would like to reach Joel 
Vest.  Anybody have an e-mail address or whatever?
Wayne A. Ernst
11174


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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:14:29 -0600
From: gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com
Subject: How to subscribe to Gullwing Magazine

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 19:22:33 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Rebuilding starters

The rebuild you describe is the type done by a majority of rebuilders,
they basically just disassemble, clean and replace brushes, reassemble
and paint. If you are really lucky they may even lubricate. This is
not what should be considered a rebuild. If you want to call it
anything you might call it a "freshen up". A proper rebuild would be a
complete tear-down, test the fields and armature, lightly clean-up the
commutator, balance, replace the bearings and brushes, set the end
play, replace the solenoid, reassemble and lubricate and then finally
bench test for speed, current draw, and balance. Of course if there
are any worn or damaged parts (like the bendix) they also replace. A
really good shop will bead-blast and paint too. You can get some idea
of how good the work is from the warrenty offered. If it is short then
you can guess how much confidence they have in their work.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



> Rebuilding a starter mostly involves simply cleaning it
out,replacing the brushes (I gurantee that the brushes that fit do
exsist since almost all are similar) and replacing failed relays.It is
fairly easy to order replacement relays and selenoids that work.If
anything else has failed (like the field coils are burned) then it is
junk anyway and cheaper and faster to get a new one.
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:33:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Tester <scott_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: No Cal D shops

I know of only one shop in Northern California where I can take my DeLorean, and they have been nothing but a pleasure to deal with. I had them inspect my car before I bought it and the "DeLorean Guy" at the shop spent 4 hours looking it over. I highly recommend them!

G&M Foreign Car Repair 
1921 Sonoma Blvd
Vallejo, CA 94590

(707) 644-2291

Scott Tester     scott(at)delorean(dot)com


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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:14:05 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: "paul.salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: NO start update

Conclusion and end

First off a correction on my behalf the starter was not totally rebuilt a
year ago, It only had a new solenoid.

The started has now ben fully reconditioned........

The guys in the car electrics place said when taken apart it looked as if it
had spent most of it's life "underwater"!!!! Full of rust and corrosion

Culd add to the theory that my car had some water issues, being that when I
started my restoratioin the frame was full of fust around the engine bay.

Thanks for evryones help and sugestions, I just need to pick up my starter
and put it back in the car.

Cheers

Paul
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Date: 08 February 2003 16:41:59
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] NO start update
 
Paul, That's why I call it starter drag. Even though it was rebuilt recently

and 1 year in a starters life is recent. The center rotor get out of balance

for several reasons and either drags or hits the outer fields.
John Hervey


<< Last night I removed the starter from the car, and
tried to fire it on the workbench, and found the
problem, The solenoid will fire, and engages on the
starter, however the starter does not turn, I think
it's dead.
>>


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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 10:57:07 -0600
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Cruise Control

factory cruise controls dont even pull the throttle cable, they pull the spool. good
luck on finding a unit that will do this.

mark


Dave Sontos wrote:

> I have not seen an acceptable installation of a cruise control yet. I have a
> brand new unit still in the box and haven't installed it yet because of the
> way the throttle cable spool is set. The way the cruise control module pulls
> the throttle spool makes the throttle cabel go slack and may fall off the
> spool locking the throttle in wide open position. Unless you can find a way
> to have the cruise control module pull directly on the throttle cable, like
> from the passenger compartment, I would NOT suggest you install it.
>
> Dave Sontos
> vin 02573
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <wayne_at_dml_knothole.net>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:16 PM
> Subject: [DML] Cruise Control
>
> > I have a 1983 5 Speed. I want to install a Cruise Control. Any
> > suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 11:06:16 -0600
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Cruise Control (Audiovox CCS100)

the delorean doesnt have pulse generator on the spedo cable, or anywhere on the vehicle,
the lamda sensor is mechanical not electonical. you have to install magnets on one of
the drive shafts.

mark

"content22207 " wrote:

> Since you suggested to list, I ask details in this forum:
>
> I've got the same unit not yet installed. What did you use for pulse
> generation? Am considering tying into Lamda sender on speedo cable. If
> you did same, how many PPM's did you set it for (SW1 and SW2)?
>
> Supplied cable on servo is way too long. Where did you install? Am
> considering shortening cable to fit servo in engine compartment
> (driver's pontoon).
>
> My rheostat is DOA (not even part of modified headlight circuit) so
> that's where I plan to install the dash control. Will route wires
> through shaft hole, and keep the clock (it's at such a convenient
> angle to view!).
>
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
>
> >--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jwit6_at_dml_c... wrote:
> > I have an AudioVox CCS 100 installed. If you don't mind parting with
> the clock, the control unit fits directly into its place without
> alteration. You can save the clock and keep it with the car to put
> back in later if you want.JC Whitney for $89.000.
> > Jim 6147
> >
> >
> > "milo4845 <wayne_at_dml_k...>" <wayne_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> >
> > >I have a 1983 5 Speed. I want to install a Cruise Control. Any
> > >suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 16:09:56 -0500
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: Cruise Control (Audiovox CCS100)

Pulse generation comes from the included CCS-203 magnet kit mounted on the left inboard cv joint housing.

I have PPM set to 2,000 (sw1 off, sw2 off )

Speed Signal with the magnet kit is VSS&Tach (sw3 on)

Servo is mounted on the left side engine compartmnet using one of the existing 6mm studs you'll find there.

Sensitivity is set to low (sw4 on, sw5 off), but I have EFI and custom intake. You'll know if you have to change it.

Control switch is norm open (sw6 off )
Tach select is "coil" (sw7 on)

Jim 6147


"content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net> wrote:

>Since you suggested to list, I ask details in this forum:
>
>I've got the same unit not yet installed. What did you use for pulse
>generation? Am considering tying into Lamda sender on speedo cable. If
>you did same, how many PPM's did you set it for (SW1 and SW2)?
>
>Supplied cable on servo is way too long. Where did you install? Am
>considering shortening cable to fit servo in engine compartment
>(driver's pontoon).
>
>My rheostat is DOA (not even part of modified headlight circuit) so
>that's where I plan to install the dash control. Will route wires
>through shaft hole, and keep the clock (it's at such a convenient
>angle to view!).
>
>Bill Robertson
>#5939
>
>>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jwit6_at_dml_c... wrote:
>> I have an AudioVox CCS 100 installed. If you don't mind parting with
>the clock, the control unit fits directly into its place without
>alteration. You can save the clock and keep it with the car to put
>back in later if you want.JC Whitney for $89.000.
>> Jim 6147
>> 
>> 
>> "milo4845 <wayne_at_dml_k...>" <wayne_at_dml_k...> wrote:
>> 
>> >I have a 1983 5 Speed. I want to install a Cruise Control. Any 
>> >suggestions? 
>> >
>> >
>> >
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