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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1380
Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:52 AM

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Water Pump
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

2. Strange VIN addition
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

3. 2/8 D-A-R-T cruise
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

4. DMC clubs in Utah
From: "mwwilber2003 <mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Poor idol on DMC.
From: "mwwilber2003 <mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. SOUTHEASTERN DELOREAN OWNERS CLUB 2003 AGENDA
From: "delor_01 <JOHN.JORDAN_at_dml_ED.GOV>" <JOHN.JORDAN_at_dml_ED.GOV>

7. Re: Cruise Control (Audiovox CCS100)
From: "M. P. Olans <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

8. Re: Strange VIN addition
From: "d_rex_2002 <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

9. Re: Strange VIN addition
From: "James <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

10. Re: DMC clubs in Utah
From: "d_rex_2002 <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

11. Re: 2/8 D-A-R-T cruise
From: "stitsien <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>

12. Gullwing Magazine and Site Update!
From: "Tamir Ardon" <tamir_at_dml_entermyworld.com>

13. Re: History
From: "Ralph Isenberg, III" <delorean1981dmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>

14. Re: Poor idol on DMC.
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

15. Re: Poor idol on DMC.
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

16. Wiring junction
From: "mgutkowski_at_dml_cix.co.uk" <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:15:55 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Water Pump

The water pumps were made in Italy and were used on several engines like the 
DeLorean and the Volvo. If the pulley won't go down far enough, then it 
wasn't pushed down far enough or they used a spacer in the back under the 
pulley that's to big. The pulleys that P.J.Grady builds and I use on my pumps 
as well have the spacer built in for the correct depth.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com
 
<< The previous owner of my Delorean replaced the water pump 
 with a Volvo part. It appears the pulley will not go far enough on 
 the shaft to line up with crankshaft and alternator. Anyone know if 
 this should have worked or what the correct replacement part 
 would be?
  >>



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:33:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Strange VIN addition

Hello list-

A fellow DML member noticed an oddity on my car this weekend. Below my VIN plate there is an additional plate saying "compliance with radio interference." His D is an '83, and didn't have this. I don't recall ever seeing this on any car now that he brought it up. There's even a D on ebay which is pretty close to my VIN... and it doesn't have this plate (I'm 10115, the ebay car is 10350). I should note that my large VIN plate is higher up on the sill than normal to accomodate this additional plate. So does anyone know the story behind all of this?

Louie Golden
VIN 10115 Sanford/Charlotte, NC 

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:42:17 -0700
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: 2/8 D-A-R-T cruise

Members of the AZ-D cruised up to our new shop in Prescott Valley on
Saturday,
        The trip to D-A-R-T was eventful to say the least.  It had rained
early in the morning and was raining on and off throughout the cruise up.
We started with two DeLoreans and a Cavalier in Gilbert.  45 minutes
northwest we met another DeLorean and our club President in his trusty
Taurus wagon.  From there we headed "up" to Prescott Valley, somewhere
around 5500 feet in elevation and some 85 miles north.  For the first time
in it's 20 years my car finally encountered snow, once around 3500 feet and
then again around 5000 feet.  Not too bad.  The roads were wet but stayed
mainly clear until we got into PV where they had dropped dirt to help keep
the roads free of ice.  I'm guessing there was some salt mixed in there too.
        The D-A-R-T shop opened specially for us this Saturday.  Proprietor
Ryan Gould was there waiting for us as were new club members Rocky, Joey,
and Jonathan.  Jonathan's car was there as well and we got to see some
racing history as he bought his car from Arie Lyundyke.  Ryan greeted us
with a Krispy Kreme breakfast and then my car went up in the air for some
tweaking.  Ryan also gave it a once over and we found a small transmission
fluid leak at the seal.  Have to take care of that....  We arrived at 10am
and didn't end up leaving until after dinner at 10pm.  Thanks to our
Hawaiian connection of John and Mike for the awesome lunch provided.
        Anyway, the day and the cruise were both a success.  Most of my
installs were completed on Saturday and went well.  I still have a bit more
work that needs to be done so I'll be heading back there next week to have
Ryan finish up everything.  He did a lot of electrical wiring and it really
looks nice.  Almost all of the wires were run underneath or through the
center console so they are invisible.
        I'd like to invite anyone interested in making the trip to come with
us next Saturday, 2/15.  I know a few club members need their TABs removed
and replaced as well as some small things here and there.  My car should
take about an hour or so to complete so there will be plenty of time.
        "Get out and drive" seems to be Ryan's motto and that's just what we
did....:)  I highly recommend Ryan for both maintenance and custom work.  I
am very pleased with how my car came out and will be back for the finishing
touches.  I hope to see you all there!

Matthew, AZ-D VeeP
VINs 10365 and 16816




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 02:58:50 -0000
From: "mwwilber2003 <mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DMC clubs in Utah

Does anyone know if there are any DMC clubs in Utah?? I am a new DMC 
owner and would love to know. Also were and when is the next DMC car 
show?? Thanks mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com.




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 03:06:38 -0000
From: "mwwilber2003 <mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Poor idol on DMC.

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: The archives have a lot of good information on this as it has been discussed fiarly extensively in the past. The best search engine to use for searching the archives is the Google engine linked on the DMCNews.com web site.]


I have an 81 DMC and when it get running for about 10 min or so it 
starts to idol very poorly. The oil pressure and RPM's go up and down 
while sitting at a stop. When I get going again it goes away, but 
every time I stop again it comes back. I thought that it might need a 
tune-up but maybe something else. Any ideas???  Thanks 
mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com. Please let me know what you might think this 
could be.




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:25:44 -0000
From: "delor_01 <JOHN.JORDAN_at_dml_ED.GOV>" <JOHN.JORDAN_at_dml_ED.GOV>
Subject: SOUTHEASTERN DELOREAN OWNERS CLUB 2003 AGENDA


HEY! Y'ALL (thats southern for HELLO)

SEDOC IS GOING TO HAVE THE FOLLOWING SCHEDULE FOR 2003

MARCH 15--ATLANTA ST. PATRICKS DAY PARADE-//-PLANNING SESSION FOR     
SEPTEMBER  CRUISE IN
 
APRIL            TECH SESSION--BRAKES / AIR CONDITIONER
 
MAY                BRITISH CAR SHOW  CHATEAU ELAN  /  BBQ AT          
BYRNE HENNINGER'S HOUSE
 
JUNE               PLANNING MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER CRUISE IN
 
JULY                TECH SESSION ---CHECK  OF YOUR DELOREAN FOR 
PROBLEMS
 
AUGUST            DINNER MEETING    TBA
 
SEPTEMBER         CRUISE--IN----GAINESVILLE GA 
 
OCTOBER           TRIP TO BMW  PLANT
 
NOVEMBER          HOLIDAY BANQUET  TOM / SIMI LONG'S
 
DECEMBER          TIME FOR REFLECTION ON THE YEARS ACCOMPLISHMENT   
 
 
UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED THE MEETINGS WILL BE ON THE THIRD SUNDAY OF 
THE MONTH

CONTACT JOHN JORDAN 404 562 6075 FOR DETAILS

RE:
JOHN JORDAN
PRESIDENT   SEDOC
 
 
 
 





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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:17:55 -0000
From: "M. P. Olans <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: Re: Cruise Control (Audiovox CCS100)

Maybe I can shed some light on this one,
     I have electronic cruise control installed on my D.  Since I have
the digital dash, I have the angle drive hooked into the lower speedo
cable and then into a pulse generator.  No lambda counter and no upper
cable since my speedo reads off the pulse generator.  I would imagine
you could find a pulse generator with an output too.  I find the
typical pulse generators run at 8,000 ppm, but this varies and the
electronic CC can handle all of them.
     Anyway, I didn't want any miscellaneous equipment installed in my
engine bay.  I chose the route of putting the CC brain in the trunk
and running the wires to the servos and pulse generator right into the
footwell from there.  I have the servos and switches hooked up right
to the accelerator and brake pedals.  This way there's nothing in the
engine compartment and the brain for the CC didn't take up any prime
real estate in the passenger compartment.  Except for the brain box in
the trunk and the switch mounted piggy-back on the turn signal/horn
stalk, you'd never know I had cruise control installed.

Matthew
VINs 10365 and 16816

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jwit6_at_dml_c... wrote:
> I have EFI and a custom intake. I have no throttle spool.
> 
> "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> 
> >How did you connect the servo to the throttle cable.  How did you
deal with
> >the throttle cable slack when the cruise control was active.
> >
> >Scott Mueller
> >002981
> >RNDOLA
> >
> >
> 
> <snip -- excess quoted material removed>




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:09:27 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002 <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Strange VIN addition

Louie and List,

I have seen this plate on several 1983 Canadian spec models (17,000's)
but have only seen this on one other 1982 model, which is a project
car that Marty Maier had in his backyard last year.  Until seeing the
plate under Marty's 82 VIN, I thought it was only on Canadian models.

This plate is on my 83 Canadian spec, High Powered D, VIN...17063.

Later,
Rich W.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Louie G <louie_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Hello list-
> 
> A fellow DML member noticed an oddity on my car this weekend. Below 
my VIN plate there is an additional plate saying "compliance with 
radio interference." His D is an '83, and didn't have this. I don't 
recall ever seeing this on any car now that he brought it up. There's 
even a D on ebay which is pretty close to my VIN... and it doesn't 
have this plate (I'm 10115, the ebay car is 10350). I should note that 
my large VIN plate is higher up on the sill than normal to accomodate 
this additional plate. So does anyone know the story behind all of 
this?
> 
> Louie Golden
> VIN 10115 Sanford/Charlotte, NC 





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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:29:45 -0000
From: "James <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Strange VIN addition

I used to think that these were primarily on 17XXX vin's but they same to be 
scattered about on a lot of 1982 and 1983 cars. Does anyone have a 1981 
with this plate? I met a guy named Art Royce out at Barrett-Jackson last month 
- he was one of the Technical Representatives for the original DMC. I will drop 
him an email and see if he remembers the significance of it.

James

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Louie G <louie_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Hello list-
> 
> A fellow DML member noticed an oddity on my car this weekend. Below my 
VIN plate there is an additional plate saying "compliance with radio 
interference." His D is an '83, and didn't have this. I don't recall ever seeing 
this on any car now that he brought it up. There's even a D on ebay which is 
pretty close to my VIN... and it doesn't have this plate (I'm 10115, the ebay car 
is 10350). I should note that my large VIN plate is higher up on the sill than 
normal to accomodate this additional plate. So does anyone know the story 
behind all of this?
> 
> Louie Golden
> VIN 10115 Sanford/Charlotte, NC 
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:14:46 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002 <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: DMC clubs in Utah

Contact Mark Noeltner in West Jordan, Utah.  Mark was and still is
webmaster for the Mid States Delorean Club, including Utah chapter
and can be reached through the Mid States Club "Contact" page,
http://www.midstatedmc.com/contacts.html

Later,
Rich W.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "mwwilber2003 <mwwilber2003_at_dml_y...>" 
<mwwilber2003_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Does anyone know if there are any DMC clubs in Utah?? I am a new DMC 
> owner and would love to know. Also were and when is the next DMC car 
> show?? Thanks mwwilber2003_at_dml_y...




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:39:30 -0000
From: "stitsien <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <stitsien_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: 2/8 D-A-R-T cruise

I've agree one hundred percent here with Matt Owens that D-A-R-T
was just a great experience. I meet up with everyone in Prescott 
valley at around 10:00 PST and was I in for a bit of a shock. The 
Arizona club is by far one of the friendliest bunch of car enthusiast 
I have ever met. It was really a great experience to watch all these 
delorean owners and enthusiast looking over cars sharing information 
and watching Ryan working on them and answering various questions. 
Personally I can't wait till March 1st to see the club again in 
phoenix. 
	
Matthew Stits
Vin 0789

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_c...> 
wrote:
> Members of the AZ-D cruised up to our new shop in Prescott Valley on
> Saturday,
>         The trip to D-A-R-T was eventful to say the least.

<snip -- excess quoted material trimmed>



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:35:23 -0600
From: "Tamir Ardon" <tamir_at_dml_entermyworld.com>
Subject: Gullwing Magazine and Site Update!

Dear List,

Just wanted to direct everyone to my site to check out an ad (with visual)
for the new Gullwing Magazine Ron & Cheryl are producing.  You can check it
out under the SITE STORE link in my main menu.

http://www.entermyworld.com

Also, for those loyal viewers and new viewers of my site, I just added a
FORUM that I hope will be used to discuss some of the more wild parts of my
site and anything DeLorean related.  This is not a DML competitor by any
means, but merely an outlet for those to discuss things related to my site.
Enjoy!

Regards,
Tamir
http://www.entermyworld.com





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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:31:13 -0500
From: "Ralph Isenberg, III" <delorean1981dmc_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: History

That sounds like the club which published a little folding mag called "De 
Gullwing". I belonged to it for a year or two way back when owning one was 
just a dream to me. I think the club must have went under years ago, this 
was the early 80s when I belonged.






>From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [DML] History
>Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:24:53 +0100
>
>
>Hello List,
>
>I have this sticker in the drivers door of my car
>and was wondering, if somebody could help me.
>
>The sticker says :
>
>Delorean Motor Club of America
>Service  Parts   Detailing
>Huntington Beach, CA 92647
>
>Are there any former members of that club in this list ?
>Maybe somebody could tell me who the former owner of my
>car was or who bought it. Would be interesting to know
>more about the history of my beloved VIN 6548.
>
>Any help is appreciated
>
>Elvis
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:56:16 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Poor idol on DMC.

In a message dated 2/10/03 10:47:42 AM Central Standard Time, 
mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:


> I have an 81 DMC and when it get running for about 10 min or so it 
> starts to idol very poorly. The oil pressure and RPM's go up and down 
> while sitting at a stop. When I get going again it goes away, but 
> every time I stop again it comes back. I thought that it might need a 
> tune-up but maybe something else. Any ideas???  Thanks 
> mwwilber2003_at_dml_yahoo.com. Please let me know what you might think this 
> could be.

Hello - 

i have this same problem from time to time and i think i have tried 
everything!
things to check:
1. check all vacuum lines for proper connection and free of cracks or damage
2. replace spark plugs, wires, cap, rotor. gap properly!
3. check timing
4. check ignition advance solenoid for proper operation (located adjacent to 
rear of fuel distributer)
5. check and/or replace fuel injectors
6. check gas tank parts for loose/collapsed/kinked hoses. check fuel pump for 
proper flow (2 liters in 30 sec? check the shop manual, i forget)
7. replace fuel filter
8. check intake manifold and W-pipe for tightness
9. check brass tube from idle motor for o-ring tightness and alignment 
(common problem, easily fixed with patience)
10. send your entire fuel system from the firewall to the injectors to Rob 
Grady for cleaning and testing (about $350 labor + parts).
11. check idle speed microswitch for proper connection and proper operation 
when car is at idle.
12. make sure the frequency valve buzzes and the idle motor hums
13. check CO mixture plug for vacuum leaks
14. check and adjust valve clearance 
15. replace Lambda sensor
16. absolute last resort - adjust CO mixture (have an experienced owner do 
this one!)

that's about all i can think of.  a wascally idle can be caused by so many 
damn things that it's tough to track down right away.  if you go thru this 
list you will probably get to the problem, but if you are like me, you will 
have done everything (except having a computerized CO adjustment) w/o getting 
the idle to settle down all of the time.  unfortunately, a slightly wobbly 
idle is a CHARACTERISTIC of this engine that is caused by the lambda system 
constantly making adjustments.  it shouldn't be very extreme though. 

Martin made a post last year giving instructions on how to dial out the idle 
with the brass screws, but this should not be done unless you are positive 
that EVERYTHING including the CO adjustment is 100% perfect.  

Good luck, and happy tweaking!
Andy
  
Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 04:30:40 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Poor idol on DMC.

Vacuum leak. Diagnose with spray carb cleaner at all possible sources
(that can be reached! Ported vacuum switch is under intake manifold).
Isolate everything forward of engine at big take off (passenger intake
rail). Don't forget to test fuel injector seals, cold start tube
(shoot between cylinders 1 & 2), and throttle plate shaft. 

Vacuum leaks are a low RPM problem.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "mwwilber2003 <mwwilber2003_at_dml_y...>"
<mwwilber2003_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> [MODERATOR'S NOTE: The archives have a lot of good information on
this as it has been discussed fiarly extensively in the past. The best
search engine to use for searching the archives is the Google engine
linked on the DMCNews.com web site.]
> 
> 
> I have an 81 DMC and when it get running for about 10 min or so it 
> starts to idol very poorly. The oil pressure and RPM's go up and down 
> while sitting at a stop. When I get going again it goes away, but 
> every time I stop again it comes back. I thought that it might need a 
> tune-up but maybe something else. Any ideas???  Thanks 
> mwwilber2003_at_dml_y... Please let me know what you might think this 
> could be.




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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:19:54 -0500
From: "mgutkowski_at_dml_cix.co.uk" <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Wiring junction

Hi All

I have a problem with one of the cars in the DOC that I'm having trouble
tracing.

One of the fuses (I forget which) powers the interor lamps, door marker
lights, bonnet lamp and engine compartment lamp. Each has a purple +12
wire. 

On this particular car, the bonnet lamp works, the engine compartment
doesn't but we don't care about that one anyway, but the door and interior
lights don't work at all. All grounds are good. The wiring diagram shows
the fuse supplying a cluster of 4 purple wires, and I know one at least is
working. Can anyone shed any light (hur hur) on where in the car the break
might be - ie where is that union? 

Thanks

Martin
#1458
#4426

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