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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1383
Date: Friday, February 14, 2003 10:47 AM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. wiring diagram
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>

2. Re: Ski rack adapter
From: "Stian Birkeland <delorean_at_dml_online.no>" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>

3. Re: Ski Rack Adapters/Luggage Racks
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

4. Re: Ski rack adapter (different idea)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

5. Searching for DeLorean items online. (was: Frame for sale on eBay)
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

6. Headlight Covers
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>

7. Great Delorean quote
From: "dmcmike2002 <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>" <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>

8. Help me pick an engine.......PLEASE!!!!!!!!
From: "smoolie671 <smoolie671_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <smoolie671_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. Michael J Fox (BTTF) dream car
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

10. RE: Headlight Covers
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

11. Hmmm, it's getting chilly in here, roll up the windows!!...
From: "tenchi_alex <tenchi_alex_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <tenchi_alex_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: Help me pick an engine.......PLEASE!!!!!!!!
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

13. Re: Help me pick an engine.......PLEASE!!!!!!!!
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

14. Re: Hmmm, it's getting chilly in here, roll up the windows!!...
From: "Adam <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

15. Re: Frame for sale on eBay
From: "Adam <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Ireland Car Production Question
From: Holler <thehauntfactory_at_dml_att.net>

17. door pull straps
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:54:55 +0100
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: wiring diagram

Hello Delorean friends,

I wanted to help one with a wiring diagram and made a mistake by sending the
email back to the DML.

Of course I want to help people, but there are so many people asking for the
wiring diagram that I think if everybody of you would make a donation to the
MJ FOX Parkinson's Research Foundation, this would help a lot.

Here's the link to it:
http://www.deloreanparts.com/zilla_054.htm  and
http://www.michaeljfox.org/


I don't think the quality of the file I have is as good as the one mentioned
above,
but it's great for daily use. Come on guys, you spent thousands of bucks
for your dream car - but who made it to that ? It was MJ Fox alias Marty
McFly !

These 10 bucks will save you a lot of time and even more money for repairs
and time
you spend by looking for a failure.

Make a donation to MJ Fox, and I (or even better Bob Zilla) will help you.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

Elvis




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:41:33 -0000
From: "Stian Birkeland <delorean_at_dml_online.no>" <delorean_at_dml_online.no>
Subject: Re: Ski rack adapter

Well, I got it! (Lots of snow here in Norway, so I need it)
The auction ended with a whopping $237,- but well worth it.

The guy who sold it, once was a DMC District Manager who bought out 3 
DeLorean dealerships (!) worth of parts when DMC closed. He saw the 
potential of the parts.

He has lots of rare stuff, if anyone is interested in anything, e-
mail me privately your wishlist, and I'll pass it on to him. I won't 
post his e-mail addy here and perhaps he likes to keep a low 
profile...

The parts bonanza have been stored since the early 80s, and more and 
more parts will be auctioned off since they now can fetch good prices 
(my rare ski rack being one example!)

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
Norway

VIN # 06759

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Michael Fischer" 
<michael.fischer_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> 
>   Now that the auction is ended, I'm just wondering ...  it seems 
like the
> luggage racks are reasonable plentiful... but what ever happened to 
all the
> ski adapters?  This is the first I've ever seen one to actually 
exist.
> 
>   Did very few get produced?
> 
>   Did they get destroyed in shipping?
> 
>   Or is there a big olde box of them sitting someplace?
> 
> Anyone have any info on these?
> 
> Mike
> VIN 17106




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:33:17 -0600
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Ski Rack Adapters/Luggage Racks

After seeing the auction, I went back through the records we have from the
original DMC, which happen to include the original Purchase Orders from the
original supplier of both the luggage racks and ski rack adapters.

There were two purchase orders for 100 each of ski rack adapters, and only
150 are shown to have been received as of 12/2/81. We have maybe one or two
here at the warehouse that are not for sale at this time.

There was one purchase order for 1000 luggage racks, and only 849 were
received as of 12/2/81. There are less than 10% of that number left.

It's possible that more may have been received after that time, though given
the finances of the company after that time, I would say it's unlikely.

>From the research I have done, the original manufacturer went out of
business a few years ago.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company


> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:03:52 -0800
> From: "Michael Fischer" <michael.fischer_at_dml_dittybase.com>
> Subject: Ski rack adapter
> 
> Now that the auction is ended, I'm just wondering ...  it seems like the
> luggage racks are reasonable plentiful... but what ever happened to all the
> ski adapters?  This is the first I've ever seen one to actually exist.
> 
> Did very few get produced?
> 
> Did they get destroyed in shipping?
> 
> Or is there a big olde box of them sitting someplace?
> 
> Anyone have any info on these?
> 
> Mike
> VIN 17106




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:07:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Ski rack adapter (different idea)

I've always thought that a good DeLorean accessory would be a ski rack or
snowboard rack that attaches to the T panel. The skis/snowboard would lay
on the roof, running the same direction as the car. The doors would still
be able to open.

Is the T panel strong enough to hold something like this. Has anything
along these lines ever been made?

-Christian

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Michael Fischer wrote:

>
>   Now that the auction is ended, I'm just wondering ...  it seems like the
> luggage racks are reasonable plentiful... but what ever happened to all the
> ski adapters?  This is the first I've ever seen one to actually exist.
>
>   Did very few get produced?
>
>   Did they get destroyed in shipping?
>
>   Or is there a big olde box of them sitting someplace?
>
> Anyone have any info on these?
>
> Mike
> VIN 17106
>
>
>
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
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>
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>
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>
>




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:51:58 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Searching for DeLorean items online. (was: Frame for sale on eBay)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> I was searching under mis-spellings for DeLorean items and ran 
across this
> item listed as a "Delorian...
<SNIP>

You'd be surprised just how many items, let alone cheap buys you'll 
find on eBay that are listed, but most people don't find them. I've 
seen original radios, and even that little plastic grill that covers 
the torsion bars above the rear window for $20. While bargains like 
these don't come along on a regular basis (due to both item 
availability and misspellings), they do indeed occur. Here are the 
most common variations of the word "DeLorean" that will yield the 
most hits for auctions on eBay:

Delorean
De lorean
Delorian
Deloreon

These four are the most common variations of the word that you'll 
find online both for auctions, surfing the internet, or even 
researching the subject at the library. None of them are case 
sensative (unless you were searching a UNIX based card catalogue I 
suppose), but the can include even more sub variations with 
additional spaces and so on. Very rare and seldom useful, you may 
also run across horrible misspellings such as "Delorion", etc. from 
time to time.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:19:42 -0500
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>
Subject: Headlight Covers

O.K., I ordered a set of the "smoked" DMC-12 Lund Headlight covers from
Autoworldaccessories.com. They arrived this morning. What I received was
a
set of covers for a Chevy Cavallier. I called the company in CA and they
said there was a "glitch" on their website and that they never had
covers
for the Delorean even though the site allows you to order them. I
checked
with Lund and GTS directly and they informed me that what remaining
stock of
the covers they did make at one time is long gone. Now we know for sure.
Rustproof
Vin #1559


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:27:10 -0000
From: "dmcmike2002 <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>" <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Great Delorean quote

I don't often listen to what sellers write in car ads especially when 
it comes to the Delorean and moreso when its on ebay. But a car thats 
up for auction now has a great little quote regarding the 
desirability of our great car:

"The editor for Sports Car Market Magazine says "Time to reconsider 
these underpowered yet fun-to-drive two seaters. The official car of 
childhood daydreams for a generation just about to turn 30, thanks to 
the Back to the Future movies. Lots of turned heads for less than the 
cost of a Toyota." He also lists the price guide of $15,000.-$22,500"

If anyone reads this magazine or can vouch for who wrote it that 
would be great. This is the kind of publicity our car deserves...

Mike C
2109 







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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:00:58 -0000
From: "smoolie671 <smoolie671_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <smoolie671_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Help me pick an engine.......PLEASE!!!!!!!!

I have recently purchased "Oscar", and am going to have him shipped
out to Boise ID within the next few weeks. Some other car thought it
would be nice to get cozy with Oscar's rear end and thus Oscar sadly
became a parts car. Not to worry, in steps Ulysses to save Oscar!
Ulysses has a drive(more like an obsession) to own a Delorean unlike
anyone has ever seen. I (I mean Ulyses) will not be denied his dream!
Now down to business. Oscar has what looks like the lower half of the
engine left. And the gentleman that presently has him has told me that
it's most likely not worth rebuilding what is left of the engine. I
tend to belive him because he works on Deloreans on a regular basis. I
have decided to put a volvo V6 back in the car. Now for the ultimate
question.....What is going to be the best, most cost effective engine
to put back into Oscar?!! I would like to be able to simply bolt up
the engine just as the original one. I would also like to take
advantage of an engine that has come out of a wrecked Volvo so the
cost would not be as high as a brand new engine. I'm not concerned
with the transplanted engine being used. I would simply like a stock
volvo V6  dropped into the car and wired up so that I could
conceivably drive my new car sometime within the confines of THIS YEAR!!!
I understand that there are probably messages somewhere in the DMC
groups, but I can't find them. So could all of you who would know what
I need please help me. Please help me get Oscar back on the road.
Thankyou all for your time,
Ulysses Stockdale
P.S. you can go ahead and shoot me, I don't know Oscars vin. yet! ;-)




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:09:12 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Michael J Fox (BTTF) dream car

I actually fell in love with DeLoreans 1981 -- four years before the
movie. Spent many longing hours at a local Chrysler dealership (also
DMC dealer). Would argue BTTF made vehicle into general public's dream
car, not necessarily (older in age) owners.

That said, charitable contributions are down across the board, at the
very time demands on them are going up (and government funding going
down). Would be a good idea to dig a little deeper and support any, MJ
Fox or other.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_g...> wrote:
> Hello Delorean friends,
> 
> I wanted to help one with a wiring diagram and made a mistake by
sending the
> email back to the DML.
> 
> Of course I want to help people, but there are so many people asking
for the
> wiring diagram that I think if everybody of you would make a
donation to the
> MJ FOX Parkinson's Research Foundation, this would help a lot.
> > Sorry for any inconvenience.
> 
> Elvis




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:52:00 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: Headlight Covers

You can make your own.

Find a plastics distributor in your area.  Take a template and they can cut
them out for you.  If you use clear plastic, you can paint the back side any
color you want.  Attach them with velcro.

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA


-----Original Message-----
From: Rustproof [mailto:Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:20 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Headlight Covers


O.K., I ordered a set of the "smoked" DMC-12 Lund Headlight covers from
Autoworldaccessories.com. They arrived this morning. What I received was a
set of covers for a Chevy Cavallier. I called the company in CA and they
said there was a "glitch" on their website and that they never had covers
for the Delorean even though the site allows you to order them. I checked
with Lund and GTS directly and they informed me that what remaining stock of
the covers they did make at one time is long gone. Now we know for sure.
Rustproof Vin #1559




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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:22:24 -0000
From: "tenchi_alex <tenchi_alex_at_dml_yahoo.com>" <tenchi_alex_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Hmmm, it's getting chilly in here, roll up the windows!!...

....Sorry man, they won't go up!!

^_^  Hiyas everyone! (^_^)/

Well, first I wanna say HELLO to all ya! ^_^

Second, I may be buying a "D" soon.....it's a '83........not that bad 
of shape........but the driver window won't roll down.........and the 
passenger window works, but it goes up crooked.....so there is about 
half an inch to ~half a centemeter of space that is still not covered 
when it's fully up.   I went to DeLorean One's site, so I have an 
idea what I'd need........but I would like the Group's opinion! ^_^


Oh, guess I should say this, I like the "D"......no I LOVE the "D", 
because 1) I LOVE BTTF.....esp the original.......I watched that 
movie MANY times ^^  ; 2) It's DIFFERENT! ^_^   and 3).......heck, it 
is just plain cool!! ^_^


Well, I gotta go now, dinner ^_^


Take great care EVERYONE!!! (^_^)/```
==Tenchi




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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 05:03:32 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Help me pick an engine.......PLEASE!!!!!!!!

See message #30802. Don't overlook potential Renault or Peugeot
sources either (anybody know specific models?). Mine is Renault,
presumably purchased on this side of pond. Bolted up to original
transmission OK.

Was leery of PRV before I took the plunge. Still find it a somewhat
confused piece of hardware, but overall am glad I have something
resembling the factory block there. Really is not as slow as rumored.
Produces a unique sound almost integral to the DeLorean experience
(tell me that comment isn't going to generate yet another
controversy). Parts supply is no problem (AMC 360 or Ford 351 would be
cheaper though...). Of course you have resources like DML and D
vendors for assistance.

If you can salvage a working idle speed motor, I'd recommend
transplanting on your new block WITH ATTENDANT THROTTLE SWITCH. I idle
off the bypass screw which works fine, but is a tad fussy first thing
on a 28 degree morning.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "smoolie671 <smoolie671_at_dml_y...>"
<smoolie671_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I have recently purchased "Oscar", and am going to have him shipped
> out to Boise ID within the next few weeks. 



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:25:08 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Help me pick an engine.......PLEASE!!!!!!!!

The most cost effective solution would be to find a used Delorean 
engine. Converting any other variation of the PRV-6 will take a lot 
longer and cost more because there are a lot of subtle differences 
between the way the PRV-6 is set-up in the Delorean and all of the 
other applications. The selling owner is probably correct that it 
isn't practical to rebuild what is left unless you can find all of the 
pieces. By having to buy all of the missing parts bit by bit it would 
be more expensive then jusy getting a whole engine. Try Darryl 
Tinnerset, he said he had some engines. Also try backintyme (Bob 
Miller). Of course you could price Delorean Housten (you might 
even consider their upgraded engine). Changing to a different engine 
(other then the PRV) will bring up all kinds of other problems, 
certainly not a "bolt in" kind of a plan. You might recoup some of the 
expense of the "new" engine by selling what you remove from the car, 
it has some value if it isn't too "hacked up" and wasn't overheated.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "smoolie671 <smoolie671_at_dml_y...>" 
<smoolie671_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I have recently purchased "Oscar", and am going to have him shipped
> out to Boise ID within the next few weeks. Some other car thought it
> would be nice to get cozy with Oscar's rear end and thus Oscar sadly
> became a parts car. Not to worry, in steps Ulysses to save Oscar!
> Ulysses has a drive(more like an obsession) to own a Delorean unlike
> anyone has ever seen. I (I mean Ulyses) will not be denied his 
dream!
> Now down to business. Oscar has what looks like the lower half of 
the



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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:47:54 -0000
From: "Adam <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hmmm, it's getting chilly in here, roll up the windows!!...

The passenger window sounds like it is off the track(s). You will 
have to remove the black leather interior covering of the door to get 
to it. It is a pain, but not to dificult really. I got mine back on 
track using flat head screwdriver, just becareful not to break the 
plastic the guide that goes on the track.

There is info on the dmc-news tech area about taking the door apart.

Adam


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "tenchi_alex <tenchi_alex_at_dml_y...>" 
<tenchi_alex_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> ....Sorry man, they won't go up!!
> 





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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:52:20 -0000
From: "Adam <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Frame for sale on eBay


the description says that the front swat bar is missing, but it is 
clearly visible in the photos for this ad. The seller might not be 
using photos of the actual item...

Adam

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> I was searching under mis-spellings for DeLorean items and ran 
across this
> item listed as a "Delorian frame, suspension, rack and pinon":
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=2403468044&cat
> egory=6763
> 
> The text of the ad said:
> "Complete frame, suspension, brakes and rack and pinon for 1983 
Delorian.
> The front sway bar and left front caliper are missing. No rust and 
has
> never been hit or damaged."
> 
> It's located in Colorado.
> 
> Please do not contact me. It's not my item. I'm just passing it 
along since
> I saw a posting asking for a frame a few weeks ago.
> 
> Mark N
> VIN 6820




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:52:25 -0800
From: Holler <thehauntfactory_at_dml_att.net>
Subject: Ireland Car Production Question

Hi Folks,
Quick question (and I hope the answer it isn't painfully obvious. . .)
I know our D's were manufactured in Dunmurray, Northern Ireland.
Have any other cars come from Ireland or are our cars unique in that
aspect as well?
(I did a Google search, but distributors made the search unclear.)
Thanks in advance.
Oliver
VIN#10694



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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:08:09 -0600
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: door pull straps

what vin# did the built in door straps start and the add on straps end?

mark






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