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Date: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:38 PM

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: door pull straps
From: Andrew Prentis <>

2. Thanks from GULLWING Magazine...

3. Re: Factory Wheel Measurements?
From: "M. P. Olans <>" <>

4. Re: Factory Wheel Measurements?

5. Re: Re: Help me pick an engine.......PLEASE!!!!!!!!
From: Martin Gutkowski <>

6. Painting Facias
From: "kenndeal <>" <>

7. Re: Is it necessary to balance Delorean wheels *on* the car?
From: "David Teitelbaum <>" <>

8. R-12 to R134A swap
From: id <>

9. Re: R-12 to R134A swap
From: "Dave Swingle <>" <>

10. Re: Re: R-12 to R134A swap
From: "content22207 <>" <>

11. Site Update
From: "Paul Salsbury" <>

12. Delorean for Sale
From: "reuterconsulting <>" <>

13. Re: Factory Wheel Measurements?
From: "Harold McElraft <>" <>

14. Need repair help in Atlanta

15. Re: Need for engine block
From: "carnut4849 <>" <>

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:02:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Prentis <>
Subject: Re: door pull straps

As far as I know they changed the pull straps from VIN

VIN 2883

--- id <> wrote:
> what vin# did the built in door straps start and the
> add on straps end?
> mark


Message: 2
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:16:28 -0600
Subject: Thanks from GULLWING Magazine...

Dear List:

Thanks to everyone for your compliments and support on the premier issue
of the new magazine.  All of our efforts are more than worth it, just
hearing about how well received it was!

We look forward to bringing you more of what you want and having fun with
it as well.  (has anyone noticed the "hidden" celebrities in the photo
collection from Evansville's River City Autofest?)  Issue 2 will point it
out if you didn't find them.

In addition, there will also be concours preparation tips from first
place winners of previous concours competitions included in issue 2. 
Watch for issue 2 in April... just in time for DMC Houston's open house
and concours show scheduled in May!  (And Good Luck!!!!)

Yes, we also made the 2003 DeLorean calendar, and if you haven't ordered
your copy, they're still available _at_dml_ $13.50 ea. including shipping in the
U.S.  ($12.00 outside the U.S., and request additional shipping charges.)
 FREE shipping available on all calendar orders mailed in the same
envelope as your magazine subscription!

Please send your ideas, comments, and suggestions to:

P.O. Box 991
St. Peters, MO  63376

We look forward to hearing from you.  Thanks again and enjoy!


Ron and Cheryl Wester

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 07:04:10 -0000
From: "M. P. Olans <>" <>
Subject: Re: Factory Wheel Measurements?

     Heck of an explanation so I won't try to top it....:)  I have had
16X7 fronts and 17X7 rears on my car for some time now and they really
make a difference.  I say go with it, upgrade +2.  
     Don, to address your 16" front tire size, a 205/50 is a larger
diameter than the 195/60 14" stock.  The closest match that comes
within a few hundreths of an inch is 205/45 16.  If you run 205/50's I
hope you'll have your speedo recalibrated or you will be traveling
faster and farther than indicated.

VINs 10365 and 16816

--- In, "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> You have hit on a subject that is near and dear.  Yes it is VERY
> to find a combination that works, and yes I think it is appropriate
to have
> two different sizes front and rear.  The car has a rear weight,
power and
> design bulk bias that requires different size wheels/tires.
> I purchased and installed a set of Konig Monsoons in June, 2001 with the
> following specs:
> fronts:  15x6.5  +40mm offset    tires:  205/55R15  (195/55R15 might
> been better)
> rears    17x8.0  +20mm offset            245/45R17
> They worked out fabulously!  The car is very lowered (especially in
> so they were quite close on the fender forward outer edge.  A normally
> lowered car would have been fine and as it was I didn't have any
> These rims are out of production however.
> I currently have a set of Konig Appeal's on backorder:
> fronts:  16x7 +40mm offset     tires:  205/50R16
> rears:    18x8.0  +40mm offset         245/45R18   (20mm offset not
> available)
> I have not tried these but am hopeful.  All of the above tire
diameters are
> very similar to the stock diameters.  The rear rims will be really
close to
> the shock attach point so a 1/4" spacer may be required.  Fronts
should be
> fine.
> Based on how well these fit I will be ordering a set of
16x7's/19x8's  with
> 205/50R16 and 145/45R19 tires and really push the envelope.  Note
that the
> rear tires will be a full inch bigger in dia. which will raise the
car 1/2".
> I should have my backordered rims any day and will let the list know the
> results.  I think these will be the practical limit for the car without
> looking silly.
> Donald Ekhoff


Message: 4
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 04:41:47 EST
Subject: Re: Factory Wheel Measurements?

I also brought a set of front and rear Michelin Pilot XGT H4 from the Tire 
Rack several weeks ago since there are no other tires available. The Michelin 
Pilots are a matching front and rear models and they look good without any 
"white" raised letters.  IMO, they are just the best tires that I had on the 
DeLorean which includes the NCTs, Dunlops, Pirellis and Yokohamas.  

The Michelin Pilots ride and handle like the Pirellis.  They have just a 
little more road "feel" then the Yokohamas AVS and they also hold the road 
just a bit better. 

Kayo Ong
Lic 9D NY  


In a message dated 2/15/03 6:50:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, writes:
> i bought a set of michelin tires that just went into production last yr, 
> they are the pilot xgt h4 the michelin rep told the store manager at 
> discount tire that they saw a market need for tires that were "meant" for a 
> Delorean and the tread DOES match front to rear and they are the stock size 
> that J.Z.D. designed for the car, i am more than pleased with their 
> performance.
> Michael in Michigan
> vin 1263
> plate MI TIME

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:50:27 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <>
Subject: Re: Re: Help me pick an engine.......PLEASE!!!!!!!!

A very quick rundown is as follows:

Sump is DMC unique,
Sandwich plate is Renault 30.
Block is common to the R30 and Volvo B28F, as is the Crank.
Heads, cams, pistons, injection system common to the Volvo version
Water pump (specifically the pulley) is Renault, Though Darryl sells a pulley to allow
the use of a Volvo pump
AC is common to Renault though mounted in a different place making the mounting brackets
and idler pulleys unique to DeLorean.
Alternator uses Renault mounting hardware.

(all to the best of my knowledge!)

#4426 (and speaking of AC idler pulleys if anyone has a set going spare, I need them for
its new engine)

"David Teitelbaum " wrote:

> The most cost effective solution would be to find a used Delorean
> engine. Converting any other variation of the PRV-6 will take a lot
> longer and cost more because there are a lot of subtle differences
> between the way the PRV-6 is set-up in the Delorean and all of the
> other applications.


Message: 6
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:08:17 -0000
From: "kenndeal <>" <>
Subject: Painting Facias

I need to have my facias painted. Anyone know of a good shop in 
San Francisco Bay Area, preferably East Bay? Also, any idea 
what I should expect to pay?
Kenn #2870


Message: 7
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:11:38 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <>" <>
Subject: Re: Is it necessary to balance Delorean wheels *on* the car?

On most premium branded tires there is an index mark on the tire that
the person mounting the tire to the rim is supposed to line up with
the tire valve. Doing this reduces the amount of weight needed to
properly balance the tire. You can balance the tire without lining up
the mark but the less weight you use the better because of what is
known as "Unsprung Weight" (look it up) It doesn't make a whole lot of
difference usually on a tire but the faster you go the more important
it gets. Also on the really high performance tires in many cases with
high speed ratings you can only mount them and use them to rotate in a
particular direction because of the extreme centrifical loads. They
are made to only turn in the direction of an arrow molded in the
sidewall. For a lot more technical information if you go to the
websites of the major tire manufacuteres they have a lot of info. BTW
I try to stay away from the wheel weights that glue on. I have seen
too many cases where they fall off and then the tire is out of
balance. I also see many times where an owner didn't like the way the
weights looked so he had them all put on the inside of the rim. This
defeats most of the purpose of having a wheel dynamically (spin)
balanced. Any time you have a wheel mounted or a leak repaired you
should have the tire rebalanced. Make sure they remove ALL of the
weights before trying to balance the tire and always use new ones
(when reusing weights they can fall off easier). Good advice for all
the cars you drive.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In, Soma576_at_dml_a... wrote:
> The reason you balance high performance wheels on the car is because
when you do that, you take into account imperfections in the wheel hub
and other suspension parts.  since the valve stem isn't equidistant in
four places on the wheel (making good balance), you have to remember
where the stem goes in order to return it to proper balance.  the
difference is small, but it is the best.  it is called a 'dynamic
> Andy


Message: 8
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:45:26 -0600
From: id <>
Subject: R-12 to R134A swap

did anybody do one of these swaps? if so does anybody have a web page for me to look at?
does any vendor sell a kit to do a swap? any info would be appreciated. feel free to
send me an email direct or post to the DML.

mark  ionicdesign(AT)


Message: 9
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:07:18 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle <>" <>
Subject: Re: R-12 to R134A swap

Funny you should ask....

Dave Stragand just did a nice tech writeup on this.

Dave Swingle

--- In, id <ionicdesign_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> did anybody do one of these swaps? if so does anybody have a web 
page for me to look at?
> does any vendor sell a kit to do a swap? any info would be 
appreciated. feel free to
> send me an email direct or post to the DML.
> thanks
> mark  ionicdesign(AT)


Message: 10
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:29:54 -0000
From: "content22207 <>" <>
Subject: Re: Re: R-12 to R134A swap

I have a down home procedure much less complicated that for some
reason generated controversy last time suggested to list. Doesn't
phase me -- my air's cold and I'm happy. If you're interested, eMail
me privately: brobertson(AT) I make open invitation in
case someone else feels same (OK guys, no controversy here...)

Bill Robertson

>--- In, "Dave Swingle <swingle_at_dml_d...>"
<swingle_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Funny you should ask....


Message: 11
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:22:24 -0000
From: "Paul Salsbury" <>
Subject: Site Update

      Hi all

      Based on some of the private mails I am now receiving more and more of you are stumbling onto my updated version of my restoration site.  So I thought I would share the URL with everyone.

      Please be aware that this site is still in the stages of construction, however there is a link on the contents page to my old site. I have promised to have the site completed for the 10,000 hit mark.

      If any one has anything they would like to contribute to the site please mail it to me. This is not just going to be my restoration, but a whole DMC-12 site, up there with the rest.

      Thanks for looking


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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:35:18 -0000
From: "reuterconsulting <>" <>
Subject: Delorean for Sale

I am offering up my 1981 Delorean here on the list first before I 
sell it out-right.  After being unemployed for over 9 months, I must 
sell my beloved car.  I would rather the car go to someone who 
appreciates and understands the Delorean and its heritage.  It is in 
great shape and I can send pictures to anyone who is intersted.  I 
am asking aroung $13K for it.  DMC Houston says it is worth $16k.  I 
have spent alot of time and money to make this a daily driver.  This 
is not a restoration project.  Hopefully someone will take advantage 
of the fact that restoration has been done by someone else.  This 
car also has an awesome sound system with cool custom speaker pods 
located near the driver and passengers feet.  A 10" subwoofer behind 
the driver, and a 250 watt amp. Please contact me at 704-540-9631 or 
by e-mail at royreuter(AT)

Thank you.

Roy Reuter


Message: 13
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:35:49 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft <>" <>
Subject: Re: Factory Wheel Measurements?

DITTO on Kayo's evaluation of the XGT H4's. They are excellent. I 
have about 6000 miles on a set and the wear is good too.

Harold McElraft - 3354

--- In, kayoong_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I also brought a set of front and rear Michelin Pilot XGT H4 from 
the Tire 
> Rack several weeks ago since there are no other tires available. 
The Michelin 


Message: 14
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:40:44 +0000
Subject: Need repair help in Atlanta

I have a 1983 that I believe has a bad starter. I have 13 volts on the dash meter and when I turn the key I hear the fuel pump and the relay behind the passenger seat and I hear a loud click from the engine bay (the solenoid?) but the engine does not turn. Jumping does not help.

I used to rely on Joe Lore (DMCJOE) but understand he is out of this business for now.

Does anyone know of a repair shop that will look at the car?

I have talked to several independent repair places and they want nothing to do with it.

Thanks for any help.



Message: 15
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 03:06:37 -0000
From: "carnut4849 <>" <>
Subject: Re: Need for engine block

--- In, "Stefan Latt <stefan_latt_at_dml_y...>" 
<stefan_latt_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hello,
> Dooes anyone know where I can get an engine block that fits the 
> Delorean? Is it 100% identical to Renault 30? A complete engine 
  Check e-bay, i saw a short block for sale today there.
Good Luck,
Gary Masie


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