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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1387
Date: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:36 AM

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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Re: R-12 to R134A swap
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

2. Re: Need repair help in Atlanta
From: "paul_salsbury <paul.salsbury_at_dml_ntlworld.com>" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_ntlworld.com>

3. Re: Need repair help in Atlanta
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

4. Re: Need repair help in Atlanta
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: Need repair help in Atlanta
From: "d_rex_2002 <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

6. "Baby Pictures"
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Re: Need repair help in Atlanta
From: "Charlie g <charlie_az_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <charlie_az_at_dml_hotmail.com>

8. Re: Need repair help in Atlanta
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com

9. Re: Need repair help in Atlanta
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. additional plate (answer)
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

11. Update Pigoen Forge
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: Need repair help in Atlanta
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:15:02 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: Re: R-12 to R134A swap

I just read the article that Dave provided.

One question that I have is what size are the o-rings that you replaced.

A parts list would be great.

Thanks for the good information.

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Swingle <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com> [mailto:swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:07 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: R-12 to R134A swap


Funny you should ask....

Dave Stragand just did a nice tech writeup on this. 

http://www.dmcnews.com/Techsection/R134.html






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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:34:45 -0000
From: "paul_salsbury <paul.salsbury_at_dml_ntlworld.com>" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Need repair help in Atlanta

This is a carbon copy of the issue I had last week. I had my starter 
re-furbished, ie cleaned new bushes, winding checked etc, it now 
starts on the button. If you can'y get this done it's probably a new 
starter....

Paul
#6463
www.paul.salsbury.btinternet.com

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, mfdpa_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I have a 1983 that I believe has a bad starter. I have 13 volts on 
the dash meter and when I turn the key I hear the fuel pump and the 
relay behind the passenger seat and I hear a loud click from the 
engine bay (the solenoid?) but the engine does not turn. Jumping does 
not help.
> 
> 
> Michael




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:47:33 -0000
From: "content22207 <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Need repair help in Atlanta

Take the starter to a parts house with test stand (most chains have
one). If it's bad, order replacement from D vendor or perhaps John
Hervey could rebuild.

If car is straight drive and you've got a couple of friends handy,
just try a push start. Even faster and easier diagnosis.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, mfdpa_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I have a 1983 that I believe has a bad starter.
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Michael




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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:56:42 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Need repair help in Atlanta

Michael, Byrn Heninger is in Gainsville. 770-536-2410. He can take care of 
your problems.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com


<< I have a 1983 that I believe has a bad starter. 
Thanks for any help.
 
 Michael



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:39:46 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002 <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Need repair help in Atlanta

Michael,

If you do not want to (or cannot) attempt some troubleshooting, try
to contact someone from a nearby or local Delorean club to help you
check out other possible causes for this problem.  This problem may
be due to a bad ground (or dirty ground) which may be a simple fix.

Don't forget to check DMCNEWS Tech page, www.dmcnews.com/techmain.htm
for Delorean troubleshooting recommendations and the DML archives on
bad and dirty grounds.  I think DMC Joe is more pre-occupied with
other things right now, but may not be too busy to offer advice.

Later,
Rich W.
 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, mfdpa_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I have a 1983 that I believe has a bad starter.
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Michael




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:57:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: "Baby Pictures"

To all,

20 years of wanting . . .
5 years of saving . . . 
We finally adopted a 20yr old!

And like a proud dad I have to tell everyone and show the original ultrasound
scan from back in 1983. So go here to see it!
http://205.133.7.130/images/DMC-Ultrasound.jpg

Well OK, so it may not be totally real but thats what happens when a Mac geek has
too much time on his hands and access to Adobe Photoshop ;-)

Shannon Y
VIN# 6506  . . . finally !

_



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:22:57 -0000
From: "Charlie g <charlie_az_at_dml_hotmail.com>" <charlie_az_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Need repair help in Atlanta

I might be wrong but it sounds like the fuel filter??  I would 
probably check that out..  


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, mfdpa_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I have a 1983 that I believe has a bad starter. I have 13 volts on 
the dash meter and when I turn the key I hear the fuel pump and the 
relay behind the passenger seat and I hear a loud click from the 
engine bay (the solenoid?) but the engine does not turn. Jumping does 
not help.



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:14:26 EST
From: AJL521_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Need repair help in Atlanta

Michael,

The starter does sound like the part that causing your problem, but double 
check for a bad connection in the wiring.  You can also try lightly taping 
the starter with a hammer.  If the starter cranks after taping it, then you 
have found your problem.

I would recommend trying an import shop that works on Volvos or Renaults, 
they shoulden't have any problem replacing it for you.  Its not a hard 
starter to replace.

Hope this helps,
Andrew
4194


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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:17:19 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Need repair help in Atlanta

>From the symptoms you describe it could very well be the starter. This
is not too difficult a job so you might want give it a try. The first
thing you must do is get the car up in the air. For this you need a
jack and 2 jackstands for the rear. You should do this on a flat,
level floor. Once you get the car up use a test light or a meter and
look for voltage at the small (white-red) wire on the starter when
someone else tries to start the motor. If you have voltage and you
hear the solenoid clicking then make sure you have battery voltage on
the big wire at the starter. If you have the voltages and the starter
isn't working then it has to come out. Refer to M:02:01-04 for the
complete remove, replace, and troubleshooting procedure. It is not
that difficult to remove. It is best not to try having it rebuilt as
most shops won't have the parts needed to do a thourgh job. Either try
a Volvo dealer or a Delorean vender for a new or rebuilt unit. If you
don't get voltage on the small (white-red) wire it could be a bad
starter inhibit relay. You didn't say if it was an automatic. Make
sure it is in Park. You could have a bad neutral start switch or a
wiring problem.  
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, mfdpa_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I have a 1983 that I believe has a bad starter.



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:34:47 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: additional plate (answer)

The DML had a thread on a second plate located next to the VIN plate that no one could figure out why or where it came from on some cars. I asked George Crane and here is his response.  I hope this answers your questions)


In a message dated 2/17/03 1:20:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Geordie.Crane_at_dml_btinternet.com writes:

> Ken
>  any hard questions?
>  The plate you are talking about is one that was required by some states 
> and Saudi Arabia in the late 70s early 80s that basically said "the car and 
> all of its electrical components were certified not to interfere with VHF 
> radio systems"
>   
> George
> 







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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:18:18 EST
From: kkoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Update Pigoen Forge

Just thought I would pass along that it looks as if we will be in a 
convention center all three days.  We just got the OK to hold the Friday 
night event in the Grand Hotel Convention Center. (Still working on costs)  
So this means that we will have the Smoky Shadows Convention Center Thursday 
evening, and the Grand Convention Center on Friday evening and all day 
Saturday.

We had the food here for New Years and it was great so we are looking forward 
to that too.  

For those of you at Memphis and in particular at the Hollywood Casino on 
Friday night.  This Convention Center is about 4 to 5 times the size of the 
Hollywood.
Space will not be an issue plus we have a full stage.

For those of you into gospel music, the Sunday Gospel show is recorded here 
every Sunday so if you tune in you can see how big it is. 

I have been getting a lot of e-mails from new owners/members wanting 
information and planning on going and its looking again like we could be half 
new people and half existing.  If it is it will be the third show in a row 
with that kind of split indicating there is still room to grow.

There are plenty of rooms that is not an issue this year. (At least at this 
point) 
We have 200 rooms reserved with about 100 remaining in all price ranges.

We are working on our special guests and The Dragon Run on Friday.

I do want to begin to push The Comedy Barn.  

I will post three times that you could break away from the car show to see 
this Comedy Barn Show.  Of all the shows we went to in Pigeon Fore we really 
enjoyed this one and its a must see.  It will not be part of the DeLorean Car 
Show sponsored event but we will give you information and free time to see 
it.  You will be sorry if you miss it.

We also decided on doing a BBQ on Thursday and we are working on the details. 
 For those of you non meat eating guests we will as usual have at least one 
item on the buffet that is non meat each night.

Last time it was Egg plant parmesan, meatless spaghetti plus the Friday 
Dinner. 

Its still over a year away but I remember Memphis, it seemed so far off then 
wham it was here.

Hope you all made out OK from the snow.

See ya soon

And wait till you see Curtis Car.  We are also getting more cars lined up for 
the show that are in the Rare and unusual categories and I do not mean 
necessarily modified Deloreans.  

Ken

DeLorean Car Show Inc.
DeLorean Car Show Magazine
Deloreancarshow.com


  


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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 07:44:39 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Need repair help in Atlanta

Does anybody know what happened to DMC Joe?  He was a great guy.





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