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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1414
Date: Sunday, March 09, 2003 9:39 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: How do you jack these things up?
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

2. Re: Dmc logo
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

3. Re: strange "knuckle" on bumper
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

4. Re: How do you jack these things up?
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

5. Re: strange "knuckle" on bumper
From: "Eric Itzel" <eric_at_dml_seviernet.com>

6. Plastic Dust Cap - Angle Arm
From: wmack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

7. Stainless Steel Cleaning
From: wmack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>

8. Re: strange "knuckle" on bumper
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

9. Re: How do you jack these things up?
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. RE: Plastic Dust Cap - Angle Arm
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

11. Re: Re: strange "knuckle" on bumper
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: Plastic Dust Cap - Angle Arm
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

13. RE: Re: How do you jack these things up?
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net

14. Well, it seems like I'm getting my own little piece of early 80's car....
From: "supremeadmiralsenn" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>

15. major frame repair - need advice
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

16. Re: strange "knuckle" on bumper
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

17. Re: Plastic Dust Cap - Angle Arm
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

18. Speaker Removal - Thanks!
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. Re: Dmc logo
From: "Trevor Johnson" <dmcboy1der_at_dml_hotpop.com>

20. Re: Cooling Fan Failure.
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

21. Re: Steering
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>

22. Re: How do you jack these things up?
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

23. Re: Plastic Dust Cap - Angle Arm
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

24. Re: How do you jack these things up?
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>

25. Re: Stainless Steel Cleaning
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 13:12:32 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: How do you jack these things up?

Rear cross member can take a floor jack no sweat. Front "crumple tube"
is another story. As D vendors point out, "unfortunately they
engineered in a little too much crumple." Use a wide piece of 2x4 or
2x6 to distribute the load.

I position jack stands under the shipping tie downs. Figure if I'm
going to scratch or chip the epoxy, that's best place to do it. Use
whole tie down, including area where welded to frame.

Factory jack points are in corners of "floor pan".

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "jevans742003" <nucleus_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I want to jack my car up and put it on jack stand but the GRP 
> underbody doesn't seem strong enough to sit on jack stands without 
> punching through.  Any ideas?




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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 13:28:26 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Dmc logo

Vendors sell reasonably priced replacement labels from which you could
cut out "DMC".

For more money could get a replacement grill emblem (would be 3-D).

Rob Grady sells adhesive stainless logos for scuff plates and wheel
caps priced between above two options. 

Bill Robertson
#5939 

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "joshp1986" <joshp1986_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Doe's anyone know where I might find the DMC logo for fairly cheap? 
> I'm wanting to put it on the dash of my Ford Ranger.
>             Thanks,
>                  Josh




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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 16:50:45 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: strange "knuckle" on bumper

On Sat, 08 Mar 2003 23:32:22 EST (-0500), "Michael Paine"
<mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com> wrote:

> I have just put a deposit on my first delorean!! But I had seen
> something on it that struck me as odd and didn't know if others have
> seen it before. There is a strange circular protrusion from the middle
> of the front bumper about as big around as an american penny. It sticks
> out about 1/4 inch or so and has a metal face kindof like a screw might
> go in there. It doen't look added it's molded into the bumper itself on
> the black band part. Does anyone know what that is??

I THINK this is a Threaded Insert that someone put in there to fit a
licenceplate(holder) These act the same as a pop-rivet, but instead
of a pin theat breaks of you use a threaded tool to fit them.
After fitting them you remove the tool,
leaving a threaded sort of metal bushing in place.
I can imagine this looking molded...

I'm positive this ISN'T original.

Jan van de Wouw

Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

DMC-12 "Dagger" since sep. 2000
100NX "Saphire" since nov. 2002
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 16:55:47 +0100
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: How do you jack these things up?

On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 05:15:45 -0000,
"jevans742003" <nucleus_at_dml_houston.rr.com> wrote:

> I want to jack my car up and put it on jack stand but the
> GRP underbody doesn't seem strong enough to sit on jack
> stands without punching through.  Any ideas?

Use the intended jacking points!
The GRP body IS strong enough at those locations...

If you look under the body, just behind the front wheels and just
before the rar wheels, you'll see a metal plate with a hole in it.
These are escpecially for putting the jack under the car.

If you want to pick up your car, I suggest using a piece of timber
going underneath both jacking points at once, then putting the jack
just next to the plate. Jack the car up and put your jackstands
under the jacking point.

This way the weight is supported at the meant location when your car
is is "hover mode" and supported best as possible during "lift off".

Good luck,

Jan van de Wouw

Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...

DMC-12 "Dagger" since sep. 2000
100NX "Saphire" since nov. 2002
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:28:43 -0500
From: "Eric Itzel" <eric_at_dml_seviernet.com>
Subject: Re: strange "knuckle" on bumper

Hi

First of all, congratulations on your new car.

Do you have a front license plate mount installed? When I took mine off, I
noticed the mounting holes stuck out from the bumper a bit. That could be
what you're seeing.

Eric Itzel
vin 4433

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:32 PM
Subject: [DML] strange "knuckle" on bumper


> Hello,
>
> I have just put a deposit on my first delorean!! But I had seen
> something on it that struck me as odd and didn't know if others have
> seen it before. There is a strange circular protrusion from the middle
> of the front bumper about as big around as an american penny. It sticks
> out about 1/4 inch or so and has a metal face kindof like a screw might
> go in there. It doen't look added it's molded into the bumper itself on
> the black band part. Does anyone know what that is??
>
>
>
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> moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
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>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:45:58 -0500
From: wmack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Plastic Dust Cap - Angle Arm

Hey Group,

I am having angle arm problems again.  The lower cable broke on its way to the 
angle arm assembly.  I have since replaced the lower cable, but because I 
wanted to make sure that the angle arm assembly wasn't broken, I took it off 
the car and inspected it.  After reassemblying everything, the plastic dust 
cap is coming loose in the hub and preventing the angle arm from functioning 
correctly.
Any thoughts as to how to prevent the dust cap from coming loose?  I have 
talked with the friendly folks in Houston, and they said it should simply 
slide right in and work properly.  Any advice?

Thanks
 Willie Mack
 Vin 5043




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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:49:26 -0500
From: wmack <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
Subject: Stainless Steel Cleaning

I took the opportunity on this fine early spring today, to wash all the dirt, 
mud, and salt off my car.
I have noticed on my hood that I have accumulated a couple of spots of tar.  
How can I go about removing the tar off my hood without wrecking the finish on 
the car?

Thanks
  Willie Mack
  Vin 5043




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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 17:40:50 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: strange "knuckle" on bumper

Something may have previously beem mounted there. It sounds like a
kind of riv-nut with internal threads. It could have been for the
bracket for the front license plate or a medallion. If it doesn't
bother you too much you can leave it alone or put a front license
plate over it. If your facias are in need of repainting then you can
repair the spot before repainting.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have just put a deposit on my first delorean!! But I had seen 
> something on it that struck me as odd and didn't know if others have 
> seen it before. There is a strange circular protrusion from the middle 
> of the front bumper about as big around as an american penny. It sticks 
> out about 1/4 inch or so and has a metal face kindof like a screw might 
> go in there. It doen't look added it's molded into the bumper itself on 
> the black band part. Does anyone know what that is??




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 17:49:44 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: How do you jack these things up?

You are correct, do not try to jack up or hold up the car with the
fiberglass underbody. Get a floor jack that is very low. Put a short
piece of 2x4 on the lifting pad. Place just behind the crumple tube in
the front center of the car and lift the front. Place jackstands under
the loops of steel on both sides of the car making sure the top of the
jackstands line up as you lower the car. For the rear lift in the
center under the motor (you might not be able to use the wood so use a
rag on the jack so you don't scrtach the paint) and then place the
jackstands under the lower shock absorber mount. This is a little
tricky because as you lower the car the point will move a little and
you don't want to rub on the tire. If you are patient and careful it
is easy to do. I call this the "Hover Mode". Raise the car as high as
you can so you can work under it. THIS MUST BE DONE ON A HARD LEVEL
SURFACE like a concrete garage floor.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


-- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "jevans742003" <nucleus_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I want to jack my car up and put it on jack stand but the GRP 
> underbody doesn't seem strong enough to sit on jack stands without 
> punching through.  Any ideas?




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:08:10 -0600
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Plastic Dust Cap - Angle Arm

put a drop of RTV sealant on it to hold it tight.
just a drop, mind you, so that it easily removed.

-----Original Message-----
From: wmack [mailto:wmack_at_dml_vt.edu]
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 10:46 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Plastic Dust Cap - Angle Arm


Hey Group,

I am having angle arm problems again.  The lower cable broke on its way to
the
angle arm assembly.  I have since replaced the lower cable, but because I
wanted to make sure that the angle arm assembly wasn't broken, I took it off
the car and inspected it.  After reassemblying everything, the plastic dust
cap is coming loose in the hub and preventing the angle arm from functioning
correctly.
Any thoughts as to how to prevent the dust cap from coming loose?  I have
talked with the friendly folks in Houston, and they said it should simply
slide right in and work properly.  Any advice?

Thanks
 Willie Mack
 Vin 5043



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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:10:31 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: strange "knuckle" on bumper

In a message dated 3/9/03 11:58:20 AM Central Standard Time, 
jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net writes:


> Something may have previously beem mounted there. It sounds like a
> kind of riv-nut with internal threads. It could have been for the
> bracket for the front license plate or a medallion. If it doesn't
> bother you too much you can leave it alone or put a front license
> plate over it. If your facias are in need of repainting then you can
> repair the spot before repainting.

One cheap fix for this would be:

If you can remove the insert and leave just a hole (i think you said it was 
fairly small, like nickel-sized?) you can go a large hardware store (i have 
only seen them at one hardware store, where i bought them), and you can find 
these trim caps that are of various sizes that you pop into the hole to cover 
it up. they come in black delrin plastic. they will only stick out maybe 2mm 
and they are slanted around its circumference so it doesn't look like crap, 
it blends in.  once you detail the bumper with tire shine or something it is 
very unnoticeable.  i got the idea from another MNDMC owner.

Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:12:39 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Plastic Dust Cap - Angle Arm

In a message dated 3/9/03 11:58:32 AM Central Standard Time, wmack_at_dml_vt.edu 
writes:


> Any thoughts as to how to prevent the dust cap from coming loose?  I have 
> talked with the friendly folks in Houston, and they said it should simply 
> slide right in and work properly.  Any advice?

I bet once you get the wheel on, it won't slide in the steering knuckle.  i 
think the wheel kind of presses on it too from the other side.

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 13:45:52 -0500
From: mrvideosawyer_at_dml_netscape.net
Subject: RE: Re: How do you jack these things up?

I might add if car is jacked up wrong or too much on one side or unequal the windshield could crack.
jim sawyer
4149 "camille"

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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 19:11:49 -0000
From: "supremeadmiralsenn" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>
Subject: Well, it seems like I'm getting my own little piece of early 80's car....

but it's not a De Lorean. If this (basically free) deal goes through, 
I'll be getting an '83 Ford. Luckily, the insurance will be low, and 
I'll be learning some car repair on an 80's car...even if it's 
nothing like a De Lorean.  In the meantime, I'll be saving my cash, 
buy a Sunstar model, and drool at pictures and DMC get-togethers. 
Unless someone wants to give me their DMC....

Living the dream...almost.




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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:18:28 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: major frame repair - need advice

Hey all,

my frame is in need of some serious work.  as far as i can tell, a previous 
owner had the entire underside of the car coated with a black undercoating.  
well that undercoating is cracking and chipping off and i am finding rust 
underneath it.  i have no idea how bad it is at this point but my assumptions 
are backed up by seeing that where i place the jack behind the crumple 
extension the frame is starting the buckle.  obviously i need to do 
SOMETHING. 

my car will be paid off at the end of this year at my current pace of 
payments.  so then i will be ready to consider a major expense.  until then, 
i think i should bring the car to a body shop and get the frame checked out 
and have reinforement plates welded in (and probably cut that bad part out of 
the front end and welded).  

as for an ultimate solution, i feel that a frame swap is my best bet.  i have 
a feeling that this frame might be a gonner, but even if it isn't, i know 
that removing a frame and restoring it is a major job (many weeks if done 
right) and i simply don't have a place to put what's left of my car while the 
frame is being serviced.  so, i think i am better off purchasing a frame from 
a parts car, getting it stripped and restored, and then doing a weekend swap 
with a club in the midwest somewhere?

i have talked to a few people about this already and i have been told that 
the best thing to do is to make sure everything under your car (suspension, 
radiator, etc) is 100% before swapping frames, because you don't really want 
to put junky links and trailing arms on while you have them out.  is it best 
to remove all the suspension first and have it sandblasted and powdercoated, 
and then put it back on the bad frame until the new frame is ready?  that way 
all my other parts would be good and ready to go.  makes sense to me.  what 
is the best thing to do for restoring the suspension parts?

lastly, i am trying to decide what is best - purchasing a used frame and 
getting that restored, or purchasing a stainless steel frame. obviously if i 
had a lot of money and time the stainless frame is the way to go.  however, i 
am not in a position to lay down $10K on the very best.  not at this point in 
my life anyway.  does anyone out there who has done this kind of thing before 
have any idea on what i can expect to pay for a pretty decent used frame and 
get it restored by a body shop or machine shop?  where do i go for this kind 
of work?   

perhaps there is a list member who has a couple frames laying around and i 
could purchase a fully restored frame from him/her?  

i am open to all options but i will not be doing much until next year when 
the car is paid off.  

thanks for any input!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 21:40:19 +0000
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: strange "knuckle" on bumper

Probably a licence plate mount that's been painted over. Although the D's fascias weren't
painted from the factory, 22 years on and a coat of decent bumper paint can make
otherwise faded ones look brand new.

Martin
#1458
#4426

Michael Paine wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have just put a deposit on my first delorean!! But I had seen
> something on it that struck me as odd and didn't know if others have
> seen it before. There is a strange circular protrusion from the middle
> of the front bumper about as big around as an american penny. It sticks
> out about 1/4 inch or so and has a metal face kindof like a screw might
> go in there. It doen't look added it's molded into the bumper itself on
> the black band part. Does anyone know what that is??




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 23:05:55 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Plastic Dust Cap - Angle Arm

Make sure the square hole in the center of the cap is still square. It
can round out and no longer drive the square cable. If the cap won't
capture tightly between the hub and the rim you could wrap it with
some duct tape or electrical tape along the edge before you assemble.
Make sure you have the support bracket for the lower cable and
lubricate the angle drive.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, wmack <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> Hey Group,
> 
> I am having angle arm problems again.  The lower cable broke on its
way to the 
> angle arm assembly.  I have since replaced the lower cable, but
because I 
> wanted to make sure that the angle arm assembly wasn't broken, I
took it off 
> the car and inspected it.  After reassemblying everything, the
plastic dust 
> cap is coming loose in the hub and preventing the angle arm from
functioning 
> correctly.
> Any thoughts as to how to prevent the dust cap from coming loose?  I
have 
> talked with the friendly folks in Houston, and they said it should
simply 
> slide right in and work properly.  Any advice?
> 
> Thanks
>  Willie Mack
>  Vin 5043




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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:10:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Speaker Removal - Thanks!

Travis Graham,
I couldn't find your current email address so let me publicly (sp?) thank you for
your "How-To" on the rear speaker replacement procedures. Everything I needed to
know was there. Thanks again!.

Shannon Y
VIN 16506

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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:33:37 -0800
From: "Trevor Johnson" <dmcboy1der_at_dml_hotpop.com>
Subject: Re: Dmc logo

The DeLorean store has some DMC stickers in stock, I am not sure if they are
advertised, but they are there, check them out at www.deloreanstore.com

Trevor Johnson


----- Original Message -----
From: "joshp1986" <joshp1986_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: [DML] Dmc logo


> Doe's anyone know where I might find the DMC logo for fairly cheap?
> I'm wanting to put it on the dash of my Ford Ranger.
>             Thanks,
>                  Josh
>
>
>
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:06:52 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Cooling Fan Failure.

David

I realize I will probably never change your mind but I really do 
believe that the set up I discussed is far superior to the OEM 
setup. I have just seen the positive results on too many cars. To be 
clear, I am NOT recommending running the fans at ALL times, just 
always when the AC is turned on. On a typical window-down-day the 
fans will rarely cycle, as usual. The electrical system will 
absolutely run hotter and at higher loads with the fans cycling with 
the AC compressor verses running at all times. Even the Zilla unit 
will have less load and heat when the system is set this way. Try 
it. The OEM fans start with a usual 18 amps each and run at 
approximately 11 amps each. It is the seven start amps for each 
motor that creates the extra heat. Those 7 amps for each motor are 
hard on all the electrical system and the motors and the brushes. If 
the AC system is low on charge or it is just a cooler day with a 
bright sun heating up the interior of the car, the fans could cycle 
3 or 4 times a minute. Again, that is a big strain on the fan 
motors, relays, and connections, just everything. Much more strain 
with OEM compared to just drawing 11 amps continuously for the same 
minute. Less heat generated too. 

Harold McElraft - 3354

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
wrote:
> Setting up the cooling fans to run continuosly is not the best 
thing
> to do in a Delorean. 




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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:20:03 -0000
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: Re: Steering

I replaced my steering rack a couple months back and sent the group a 
writeup on my experience with it. You can find my earlier post as 
message number 30079 and the writeup is also included in the tech 
section on the DMCNews web site. The procedure isn't bad, but this 
was my second time replacing the rack, so I had a little practice 
first.

     Knut


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_b...> 
wrote:
> Well that's it I've replaced every thing bar the steering rack in 
my attempt
> to sort out my excessive play in the steering.
<snip>
> How much of a job is removing and replacing a rack? any hints and 
tips would
> be appreciated, what time does a job like this take???





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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:20:11 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: How do you jack these things up?

A concern about jacking a DeLorean at a single point on the body. Be 
careful about how high you go. The body flexes. If the body mounting 
bolts are not fully tight (after some time few have remained fully 
torqued unless you have used locktite)the twisting will cause the 
windshield to break. An expensive education did I have :-(

Harold McElraft - 3354




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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:37:23 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Plastic Dust Cap - Angle Arm

I thought I had this problem. At first I thought it was just the 
plastic hub thing slipping but quickly realized it was the angle 
drive slipping. The teeth inside are stripped some, not completely, 
just enough to make the speedometer jump around some and appear to 
do a catch-up ever now and then. Only fix is a new angle drive.

Harold McElraft - 3354




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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:42:55 -0000
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: How do you jack these things up?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 05:15:45 -0000,
> "jevans742003" <nucleus_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> 
> > I want to jack my car up and put it on jack stand but the
> > GRP underbody doesn't seem strong enough to sit on jack
> > stands without punching through.  Any ideas?
> 
> Use the intended jacking points!
> The GRP body IS strong enough at those locations...
> 
> If you look under the body, just behind the front wheels and just
> before the rar wheels, you'll see a metal plate with a hole in it.
> These are escpecially for putting the jack under the car.
> 
> If you want to pick up your car, I suggest using a piece of timber
> going underneath both jacking points at once, then putting the jack
> just next to the plate. Jack the car up and put your jackstands
> under the jacking point.
> 
> This way the weight is supported at the meant location when your car
> is is "hover mode" and supported best as possible during "lift off".
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Jan van de Wouw


I agree with Jan.  Use the intended jacking points that have the metal
plates. I used TWO floor jacks, one on either side on the front jack
points and raised both jacks a little at a time, as evenly as possible
until the front was high enough to get the stands under there. With
the front end now supported, I removed the jacks and did the same
thing for rear of the car.  Putting a piece of wood across is a good
idea too if you don't have 2 jacks. I wondered too, how the GRP body
could support the car, but the manual does say to use the indicated
jacking points, so I did, and it works.  One thing I would be worried
about though, is if you jacked up just one corner of the car too high
it might twist the body enough to cause the windshield to crack.  It
might be a good idea as well to make sure both doors are closed to
lessen any chances of the body twisting while raising the car.

Richard
5853




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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:20:26 -0000
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Cleaning

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, wmack <wmack_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> I took the opportunity on this fine early spring today, to wash all
the dirt, 
> mud, and salt off my car.
> I have noticed on my hood that I have accumulated a couple of spots
of tar.  
> How can I go about removing the tar off my hood without wrecking the
finish on 
> the car?
> 
> Thanks
>   Willie Mack
>   Vin 5043


The greatest thing about a stainless steel car is that there in no
"finish" to wreck, assuming yours isn't painted or has clear-coat
applied to it. The DMC manual actually says you may use gasoline or
white mineral spirits to clean tough stains on the car exterior. 
(sounds kind of funny, try that on any other car!)  Basically any
NON-ABRASIVE cleaner will work.  I use glass cleaner such as Windex to
clean my car and it works great for most stains. Whatever works good
to clean your kitchen sink will work good on a Delorean!  It's bare
metal, after all.  I've even heard of people using oven cleaner for
really tough tar and tree-sap stains. Stainless steel does scratch
easily so just make sure you avoid using steel-wool (it contains iron
which will embed in the S.S. and rust), or any abrasive (gritty)
cleaners.  Hope this helps

Richard
5853  




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