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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1418
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2003 11:50 AM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: WATER PUMP POLL
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

2. Re: WATER PUMP POLL
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

3. Re: Door Lock Solenoids
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

4. RE: Re: deloreans do float...
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_attbi.com>

5. Brake fluid Again
From: "Jason Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_tds.net>

6. Fuse box...
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com

7. DeLorean Tatoo
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

8. Fw: Back to The Future Replicas
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

9. Re: Re: WATER PUMP POLL
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: Re: WATER PUMP POLL
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

11. Re: WATER PUMP POLL
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: Brake fluid Again
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>

13. Re: Brake fluid Again
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

14. RE: Brake fluid Again
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

15. Re: Brake fluid Again
From: "outatym2001" <markman660_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Re: Brake fluid Again
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

17. Re: Brake fluid Again
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:15:58 -0500
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: WATER PUMP POLL

Mark, your poll may not give you the answers you need.  My water pump failed at about 58,000
miles.  I responded to your poll, but my response only tells you that it failed and I
replaced it.  The survey does not refelect the critical information that if failed very
close to where your car is now.

I believe that you want data on when pumps fail, but you're asking about when they don't
fail.

My two cents:
If you only drive your DeLorean around town you probably don't have to replace the pump
pre-emptively, you can wait until it fails (Never drive witout coolant! You might join AAA
or carry water and antifreeze for the day when you need to limp home).  But if you plan on
taking a long drive, now might be a good time to replace your pump.

- Mike Substelny
VIN 01280
Second water pump going strong.

id wrote:

> I am about to do all of the hoses on my car and i need your help. My water pump is
> working and not leaking and i have 52,000 miles on my car. I have been told to replace it
> but that is where i need your help. I want to know if you still have your original pump
> and how many miles are on your car so i can decide if i should just buy a new pump.
>
> I created a poll so i can see the failure rate of the pump by how many miles are on your
> car.
>
> Thanks for your help
> Mark
> 6683




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:52:30 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: WATER PUMP POLL

The main reason for replacement of the water pump at the time you have 
the top of the engine all apart is because of all the work it takes to 
get there. (Same logic goes for doing a tune-up at the same time.There 
may still be some life left in the old water pump but because of the 
age and mileage (in most cases) it makes sense to replace it. For 
preventitive purposes you should also replace the thermostat, 
otterstadt switch and seal, belts, and idler pulley bearings. Yes, the 
price of all these parts adds up but what does a tow cost? And you 
will still have to replace the parts. If you want to have a reliable 
car that you can have confidence in you need to know that all of these 
parts are good and not near the end of their service life. BTW if you 
take out the radiator I am willing to bet it is green around the 
edges! You should consider replacing it too. Gee, this can get 
expensive! I replaced my water pump at 3,000 miles and there was 
evidence of seeping from the weep hole. Mileage isn't everything, 
sitting long periods of time takes it's toll on the seal (corrosion).
David Teitelbaum
vin 1075


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, id <ionicdesign_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> I am about to do all of the hoses on my car and i need your help. My 
water pump is
> working and not leaking and i have 52,000 miles on my car. I have 
been told to replace
> it but that is where i need your help. I want to know if you still 
have your original
> pump and how many miles are on your car so i can decide if i should 
just buy a new pump.
> 
> I created a poll so i can see the failure rate of the pump by how 
many miles are on your
> car.
> 
> Thanks for your help
> Mark
> 6683




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:24:52 +0000
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Door Lock Solenoids

Snag some copper wire & rewind the solenoids.  I have, & activity was 
restored.  A bit time consuming, but quite inexpensive.    Drive Stainless   
Robert  VIN 6924  Sp tag AgBULIT






From: Raine Moreno <raine-moreno_at_dml_sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Door Lock Solenoids
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:19:16 -0800 (PST)


ok...do you other guys have to mash on your Door lock switch to get it to 
work?  I didnt think that was "normal" or working as intended...So along 
with having to tear down the door to fix my window problems, i figued i 
would investigate why the resistance of the door lock switch, also my remote 
control unit will lock both doors but will not Unlock the drivers side door, 
i figured (after inspection of the door mechanics) that the solenoid is worn 
out and needing to be replaced...when engaged it barely moved almost like 
the arm moves out and then back in....Just enough to move the pieces of the 
contact plate to lock the doors..it doesnt seem like it should be working 
like that. Have any of you had experienced that?  I have not taken out the 
solenoid and inspected it yet, but i have been reading about some similar 
instances and wonder as well, if anyone has had thier solenoids "rewound" to 
give them back thier strength. I guess old age and or a combination of the 
old stock door lock module weakend the solenoids. Just wanted to know so i 
could possibly save 150 Bucks for a new solenoid.

any advice or help would be greatly appreciated!
Raine M.
Vin # 1096


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:36:25 -0800
From: "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: RE: Re: deloreans do float...

so far I have done a complete inspection of the underside and checked the CV
boots (slid them off and found no water added some CV grease and
re-clamped), checked all electrical connections, i am replacing the front
crumple tubes (damaged), drained oil and replaced,  I have a friend with a
carpet machine who is comming to do the carpets (i didnt think about the
mold). I dried outh the cooling fan motors and blew them out (there wasnt
much there), trans gear oil was ok, I am changing the wheel bearings soon
anyway (after the head gaskets), I guess we'll see...

I have flooded a few jeeps and do the same procedure for them too...

Darkstar

-----Original Message-----
From: David Teitelbaum [mailto:jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net]
Sent: March 11, 2003 7:33 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: deloreans do float...


Most of the damage caused by deep water won't be noticed for a while.
You should remove all of the carpets and dry completly to eliminate
any mildew. You should regrease EVERYTHING under the car. Inspect the
C/V joints or better yet regrease them too. Make sure no water is
trapped inside the frame like inside the crumple tubes and the engine
mounts. Clean all of the grounding points. Expect things to go bad
like the horns, cooling fan motors, and starter. This won't happen
soon so you won't connect the flooding with the failures but it will
happen. Change the engine oil and trans fluid too. Any wiring plugs
that where low enough to get wet should be opened, cleaned and
reseated. Ditto for any bulbs like the front parking lights and
directionals and side markers. You might want to consider making an
insurance claim for this if you have the coverage (in that case call
the broker for an adjuster before doing ANYTHING). The sooner you get
to it the less damage and corrosion there will be. Treat this as
seriously as you can as this will cause a lot of damage. It could also
cause the wheel bearings to die prematurely because the grease got
washed out. Flooding can do a lot of damage but it is invisible and
doesn't happen quickly like a fire.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Darkstar" <darkstarmedia_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> well I thought that I would relate a story. a few weeks ago in
calif. we had
> a big rain storm.  on my way back to work I hit some slow moving
cars and
> was rather pissed cause I was late.  well I noticed the small puddle was
> getting deeper and deeper and soon found the reason for traffic... a
river
> had formed running across the road.  cause it was too late to stop and I




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:08:10 -0800
From: "Jason Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_tds.net>
Subject: Brake fluid Again

          Well, I've went to all the local parts stores and no one has any castrol. I asked the guy 
at napa if he could order some for me so he looked and said that they don't have it listed. He 
then asked me why it has to be castrol dot 4 and not any other dot 4. I said good question and
I'll find out. So why does it have to be Castrol? He said that the fluid is so regulated that there 
really can't be much difference between all of the brands. So what is so special about it?  

                            Thanks in advance....again.....................Jason #5903

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:56:21 EST
From: njp548_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Fuse box...

Hey List,

    There is a project I am working on and I need to know if anyone knows of 
a fuse box that has the fuses that are next to each other side by side the 
exact distance apart from the original DeLorean fuse box?  If anyone has the 
newer style Zilla Remote Receiver, they know about the printed circuit board 
that is in there that goes in the fuse box that takes the place of 2 fuses.  
The project I am working on requires this printed circuit board to go inside 
a different fuse box, but I need to find a fuse box that will enable this 
printed circuit board to fit in there.  Anyone have any ideas?  I just need 
it to have those 2 slots, if it has more, thats ok but it can't be too large 
since there isn't that much space in the electrical compartment for it.

Later,
Nick Pitello
1852
15914
<A HREF="Http://members.aol.com/njp548">Http://members.aol.com/njp548</A>


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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:00:02 -0600
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: DeLorean Tatoo

Now I've seen it all.  A DeLorean tattoo.

http://www.steinerklaus.de/dmc/dcd2002/Seiten/Dsc01590.htm

The photo above is also on Klaus's site.

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA


-----Original Message-----
From: klaus.steiner_at_dml_t-online.de [mailto:klaus.steiner_at_dml_t-online.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 3:01 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:[DML]Coolant hose replacement


Adam, 

you can cover the coolant hoses with stainless steel flex-hoses available in
every racing-shop. So the belts can't cut the hoses. See my car:

www.steinerklaus.de/dmc/dcd2002/Seiten/Dsc01591.htm

Klaus and 05980
all hoses from silicone and ss-covered





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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:33:29 -0800
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Fw: Back to The Future Replicas

Hey, Guys

Thought I would forward this.  First I have heard of it.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: diecastmuscle.com - Announce 
To: ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net 
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:31 PM
Subject: Back to The Future Replicas


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:49:11 EST
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: WATER PUMP POLL

I just recently had my water pump replaced by Rob - PJ Grady. The "original" 
hoses at the water pump and intake manifold was "seeping" antifreeze at 
times, even after tighten the hose clamps.  Since the hose were to be 
replaced, I figured the water pump should be also be replaced at the same 
time, including thermostat and all other related items.  So, it was out with 
the old water pump and in with the new one, as preventive maintenance. 

There was really nothing wrong with the water pump, even though it had over 
96,000 miles and still working well.  For all I know it may last another 
96,000 miles?  The original water pump has been in service since 1981 and I 
was going to wait for "old age" or "wear" to set in and to give up on me 
while I am on the road.  I hope the new water pump will last as long or 
longer then the old one.

Kayo Ong
#5508
Lic 9D NY


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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:58:45 -0600
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: WATER PUMP POLL

This is exactly what i plan on doing but i wanted to see how many cars are still running
on the original pump and how many miles they have on the car. I know this is not
scientific but it does let me kind of know what most owners have done so far. Money is
tight thats why i wanted to see about not doing the pump.

this is what i plan on doing....
complete tune up
vacuum hoses
vacuum switch on coolant pipe under intake manifold
all coolant hoses
new coolant clamps
heater hoses
thermostat
otterstadt switch and seal
belts
water pump
radiator cap
overflow bottle (still original and brittle)
air bleeder kit
hover conversion (just checking to see if anybody reads this)

Mark
6683





David Teitelbaum wrote:

> The main reason for replacement of the water pump at the time you have
> the top of the engine all apart is because of all the work it takes to
> get there. (Same logic goes for doing a tune-up at the same time.There
> may still be some life left in the old water pump but because of the
> age and mileage (in most cases) it makes sense to replace it. For
> preventitive purposes you should also replace the thermostat,
> otterstadt switch and seal, belts, and idler pulley bearings. Yes, the
> price of all these parts adds up but what does a tow cost? And you
> will still have to replace the parts. If you want to have a reliable
> car that you can have confidence in you need to know that all of these
> parts are good and not near the end of their service life. BTW if you
> take out the radiator I am willing to bet it is green around the
> edges! You should consider replacing it too. Gee, this can get
> expensive! I replaced my water pump at 3,000 miles and there was
> evidence of seeping from the weep hole. Mileage isn't everything,
> sitting long periods of time takes it's toll on the seal (corrosion).
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 1075




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:20:43 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: WATER PUMP POLL

Mark, Life of the pump will vary as to driving conditions, care taken with 
the car and how often the coolant was changed. I replaced mine in11004 at 
about 52,000 miles.
I have a complete kit on the web site.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com


<< I am about to do all of the hoses on my car and i need your help. My water 
pump is
 working and not leaking and i have 52,000 miles on my car. I have been told 
to replace
 it but that is where i need your help. I want to know if you still have your 
original
 pump and how many miles are on your car so i can decide if i should just buy 
a new pump.
 
 I created a poll so i can see the failure rate of the pump by how many miles 
are on your
 car.
 
 Thanks for your help
 Mark
 6683
  >>



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:23:45 -0700
From: Mark Noeltner <mark_at_dml_buffalochips.org>
Subject: Re: Brake fluid Again

Actually, you can have quite a bit of variance between DOT 4 fluids. They
don't actually regulate what the fluid is made out of, just that it meets
certain requirements when tested.

Castrol GT LMA is supposed to be easier on the type of rubber that Girling
uses for seals in it's master cylinders and calipers. I haven't done any
sort of testing on that, but I've known enough British car owners who
refuse to use anything else due to problems that they've had, that I'm not
going to argue. Plus, the LMA in the name stands for Low Moisture
Absorbtion. The Castrol fluid tends to absorb less water than almost any
other fluid out there. This means that it should cause a lot less rust on
the interior of your braking system.

>From a British Car FAQ I found in a search:
"2. Why canít I use generic brake fluid in my British car? 

British brake & clutch systems use natural rubber components which are only
compatible with vegetable based brake fluid.  American brake & clutch
systems use synthetic rubber components which are only compatible with
mineral based brake fluid.  The only vegetable based brake fluid commonly
available in the US is CASTROL GT LMA.  Use of improper fluids or mixing of
fluids can lead to complete failure of brake and clutch hydraulics.  Use of
any fluid other than CASTROL GT LMA violates all warranty on
brake/hydraulic parts"

You can buy Castrol GT LMA here:  http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/  Plus,
I'm sure that many other online suppliers handle it. I know Pep Boys has a
better price at their stores than Pegasus has online, but if you can't find
it locally, then you may have to go for it.

Here is an interesting link on Castrol GT LMA and British cars.
http://www.importautoberdoo.com/brake.html


Mark N
VIN 6820


At 04:08 PM 3/12/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>          Well, I've went to all the local parts stores and no one has any
castrol. I asked the guy 
>at napa if he could order some for me so he looked and said that they
don't have it listed. He 
>then asked me why it has to be castrol dot 4 and not any other dot 4. I
said good question and
>I'll find out. So why does it have to be Castrol? He said that the fluid
is so regulated that there 
>really can't be much difference between all of the brands. So what is so
special about it?  
>
>                            Thanks in
advance....again.....................Jason #5903
>




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:23:43 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Brake fluid Again

As I understand it, Castrol is **most** compatible with the natural 
rubber (rather than synthetic rubber) seals used on the DeLorean (and 
other European cars). I'm not sure what the long term difference, 
i.e. will the brake master last 10 years instead of 8? etc. But 
that's the story. 

Castrol is still very available, but the big chains for some reason 
don't carry it. Probably lower margin. Look at your smaller 
independent stores or foreign car parts specialists.

Most important thing is to change it often. Every two years is a 
minimum. I'd do yearly if you drive the car in wet weather. Important 
to note that the DMC fluid reservoir is vented to air, whereas US 
cars are vented into a rubber bladder. Euro car makers (BMW etc) 
recommend fluid changes more often to get rid of the moisture that 
creaps in. 

Another story you will hear is that changing the fluid after a very 
long interval is likely to cause leaks to start, IMO that's true at 
least in the clutch system.

Dave Swingle < --has changed out a lot of muddy brake fluid - 18 
years is NOT an acceptable interval. 

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jason Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_t...> wrote:
>           Well, I've went to all the local parts stores and no one 
has any castrol. I asked the guy 
> at napa 




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:22:02 -0600
From: "Mike Griese" <mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Brake fluid Again

Jason

Girling uses seals that contain more natural rubber than
domestic brake manufacturers.  The Castrol brake fluid
is kinder to the seals than other brands.  If you change
fluids from Castrol to something else, you can pretty
much expect to have to rebuild master and slave cylinders
and the calipers within a couple of years.  This is not
strictly a DeLorean issue.  Lotuses have the same problems
with brake fluids.

I have noticed that GTLMA seems to have been withdrawn
from the US market.  There is a local Castrol dealer
in Rochester who can't order GTLMA anymore.  If you find
some in a shop somewhere, buy all you can.  If you don't
want to, call me and I'll buy it...

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Rowe [mailto:rowejj_at_dml_tds.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:08 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Brake fluid Again


          Well, I've went to all the local parts stores and no one has any
castrol. I asked the guy
at napa if he could order some for me so he looked and said that they don't
have it listed. He
then asked me why it has to be castrol dot 4 and not any other dot 4. I said
good question and
I'll find out. So why does it have to be Castrol? He said that the fluid is
so regulated that there
really can't be much difference between all of the brands. So what is so
special about it?

                            Thanks in
advance....again.....................Jason #5903





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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:23:01 -0000
From: "outatym2001" <markman660_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brake fluid Again

Hi again Jason and the List.
     In answer to your question, "So why does it have to be Castrol?"
     It doesn't.
     Just pick what ever is DOT4 and is readily available in your 
area.
     Several Pacific Northwest DeLorean Club members (www.pndc.org) 
have made the switch to 'Valvoline Syn Power High Performance 
Synthetic Brake Fluid' about $2.79 for 12 oz bottle.  Buy at least 24 
oz to flush entire system.
     You can go to www.howstuffworks.com and learn more about brake 
fluid.  Type 'brake fluid' in the search box.  It states, "The three 
main types of brake fluid now available are DOT3, DOT4 and DOT5.  
DOT3 and DOT4 are glycol based fluids, and DOT5 is silicon based.  
The main difference is that DOT3 and DOT4 absorb water while DOT5 
doesn't."  Funny thing is they don't mention anything about synthetic 
brake fluids like synthetic engine oil doesn't absorb water either.
     Look at www.ogracing.com and there you will see the ATE Brake 
Fluid I use.  Price $7.25 per litre.  Don't use this stuff.  It's 
dark blue and you can't see through it in the fluid reservoir.
     I've gone absolutely mad at using the most expensive fluids I 
could find locally.  My engine oil is synthetic AMSOIL $8 a quart.  
Manual transmission fluid is synthetic REDLINE MTL (red in color) $8 
a quart.  Brake fluid is described above.
     I dare to be different.  Now I'm out of money.  Learn from my 
mistakes.  Don't blow too much money on something you can't afford.
     My DeLorean engine is like FRANKENSTEIN.  Pieced together from 
several different manufacturers.  It's a 3.0 liter developing approx. 
150 to a 160 hp.  All done by a highly paid mechanic.  Paid by me!  
More on this later.

Mark R. Vanyo VIN #02261


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jason Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_t...> wrote:
     Well, I've went to all the local parts stores and no one has any 
castrol. I asked the guy at napa if he could order some for me so he 
looked and said that they don't have it listed. He then asked me why 
it has to be castrol dot 4 and not any other dot 4. I said good 
question and I'll find out. So why does it have to be Castrol? He 
said that the fluid is so regulated that there really can't be much 
difference between all of the brands. So what is so special about it? 
Thanks in advance....again.....................Jason #5903




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:03:20 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Brake fluid Again

I am not a chemist. I can only tell you from experience ALL of the 
people that work on british cars using Lucas-Girling say that because 
of the rubber that is used for the seals in the brake system the only 
recomended fluid is Castrol GTLMA. While it is true that ALL DOT 4 
fluids must pass the smae testing it does not mean they are all made 
the same. Keep looking for it and if you can't find it I am sure you 
can order it from someone. Try a shop that works on Jaguars, they 
should have some or be able to tell you where to get it. Any large 
store that has the Castrol line of products should be able to get it 
for you, it isn't that special. You could also try the Castrol 
website, they should be able to tell you where you can get some. 
Sometimes you just don't argue with experience. BTW keep some in a 
small bottle on a shelf so you can top off the system if you ever need 
a little. The bottle must be kept tightly closed to avoid moisture 
contamination. The brake fluid is supposed to be changed every 2 
years. (and clutch fluid). You could just use the Castrol in all of 
your cars, it is a very good brake fluid. In may respects it is even 
better than DOT 5 (silicone).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jason Rowe" <rowejj_at_dml_t...> wrote:
>           Well, I've went to all the local parts stores and no one 
has any castrol. I asked the guy 
> at napa if he could order some for me so he looked and said that 
they don't have it listed. He 
> then asked me why it has to be castrol dot 4 and not any other dot 
4. I said good question and
> I'll find out. So why does it have to be Castrol? He said that the 
fluid is so regulated that there 
> really can't be much difference between all of the brands. So what 
is so special about it?  
> 
>                             Thanks in 
advance....again.....................Jason #5903
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:10:24 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Brake fluid Again

James, I normally get it at Pep Boys. If they don't have it on the shelf they 
normally pick it up at one of the local warehouses.
It's a good high quality grade.
John Hervey


<<          Well, I've went to all the local parts stores and no one has any 
castrol. I asked the guy 
 at Napa if he could order some for me so he looked and said that they don't 
have it listed. He 
 then asked me why it has to be castrol dot 4 and not any other dot 4. I said 
good question and
 I'll find out. So why does it have to be Castrol? He said that the fluid is 
so regulated that there 
 really can't be much difference between all of the brands. So what is so 
special about it?  
 
                             Thanks in 
advance....again.....................Jason #5903
  >>



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