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Date: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:38 AM

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Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Modified Deloreans
From: James A Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

2. Re: Modified Deloreans
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

3. Re: Modified Deloreans
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

4. Re: Modified Deloreans
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

5. Re: Leather Interior
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>

6. Re: Leather Interior
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>

7. My "New to Me" Delorean.
From: "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_hotmail.com>

8. Re: My "New to Me" Delorean.
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

9. Two-Key codes
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

10. Re: Re: Modified Deloreans
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com

11. Re: Modified Deloreans
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com

12. Re: Modified Deloreans
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

13. Re: Modified Deloreans
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>

14. Re: Leather Interior
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

15. Clock and A/C light dimming.
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>

16. Re: My "New to Me" Delorean.
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

17. Re: Re: My "New to Me" Delorean.
From: jaimie Mackenzie <jmacberg_at_dml_yahoo.com>

18. Restored Engine Compartment
From: "silverdelorean2002" <silvercrw646_at_dml_cs.com>

19. DeLorean for sale
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: Leather Interior
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:41:01 -0500
From: James A Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Modified Deloreans

I think you have no idea the bad of worms that you are opening by trying
to do a engine swap like this.  You may be "solving" a high-hp oversteer
with understeer.    I think a longblock in the front of delorean would be
ridiculous.  You would have to do some serious modification to fit in a
square frame- there's no real room for it..?

About other (really) high HP conversions, I can only think of the 3.8
liter Buick swap (Don Steiger I believe).  D-REX has a front engine,
though it is not very deloreanesque, as it is like 7 feet tall (don't
correct me, it could be 12 feet.  It's just big, ok?).  

I think a sweeeeeet swap would be a mid-engine setup like the Lotus
Esprit v8.  This would make the car much better balanced.

Jim

On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:32:50 -0600 MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com writes:
> Considering I had little else to do on a Friday night I went over to 
> visit
> with my mechanic. Just to give everyone a little bit of background, 
> this my
> "mechanic" used to build monster trucks, engine, frame, everything. 
> He can
> fabricate just about anything, the resources this guy has are just
> incredible - he has pulled out the entire engine in my Delorean,
> disassembled, rebuilt, replaced, etc... Its the first Delorean he 
> has ever
> worked on, but he is fearless and needless to say has some some 
> wonders with
> my car so far.
> 
> The first thing I asked him about was frames, because obviously it 
> has been
> a concern of many people that over the long term they would rust out 
> and
> require replacement, and he assured me that he or any good 
> fabrication shop
> could put a tube frame back under that car or repair the frame if 
> there was
> anything left. He felt a frame could be fabricated at a pretty 
> reasonable
> price, much less than the option currently available. Needless to 
> say I was
> impressed (and relieved) that he felt it would be a fairly staright 
> forward
> thing to do.
> 
> This led to my next question for him, which was: What is the most 
> horse
> power you think you could jam into one of these things? His 
> suggestion was
> to pull the frame out from underneath the car, and put a boxed 
> square frame
> underneath which would free up that center area (the middle of the 
> double
> Y's) for a drive train. This would allow you to keep the car rear 
> wheel
> drive and have a front mounted engine.
> For an engine choice he likes Chevys because there are so many 
> options
> available, specifically the large block Chevys. I ofcourse asked him 
> how he
> would get that size engine in that area in front and his response 
> was
> classic, "Well, it might stick out of the hood a little."
> 
> I'm wasn't so sure if I would want to have an engine hanging out of 
> the hood
> of my Delorean, so we discussed some of the the newer high HP 
> engines now
> available with twin turbos or something like that. There seem to be 
> a ton of
> options available as far as engines go, and fabricating the drive 
> train
> wouldn't be a problem.
> 
> Has anyone actually attemped to do such a thing yet? Mounting the 
> engine up
> front would certainly do away with the front end issues (lack of 
> steering
> because your tires are off the ground) and putting some real HP into 
> a D.
> Are there any 500+ HP Deloreans out there? I am seriously 
> considering
> undertaking this project, and would be interested in feedback.
> 
> Mike
> VIN 4761
> 
> P.S. Anyone have a D for sale cheap with a rusted out frame and 
> trashed
> engine they want to sell cheap? :)
> 
> 
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:03:28 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Modified Deloreans

Back in 1992 when I bought my stock D, I bought my manuals from a guy in 
Florida.  He told me he put a Corvette frame under a D and made it RWD. 
 Never saw the car, but the concept was sound.  Check the frame design 
of the late '80s vettes.  Almost like the Ds.

BOB




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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:06:26 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Modified Deloreans

The idea of a tube frame chassis in my opinion is a great one. And it's one that 
I've asked about before. A boxed chassis though isn't something that I'd even 
consider. If you were going to truly insert a powerplant into the car that would 
create that much torsional flex on the car, I would rather reccomend installing 
a "cradle" of two more tube rails running underneath the seats, and then 
connecting to the center backbone of the chassis. And of course you'll need to 
figure in on cutting the body, and making room in the cockpit in install the 
required roll cage.

If you really want to run a front mounted engine, you can do it. But IMHO, the 
front end is way too shallow to truly house any large motor. If you put a hood 
scoop on the bonnet to try and cover up the intake, it would probably end up 
being higher than the roof! But if you used the tubular chassis with the cradle, 
I see no reason why you couldn't just run the drivetrain inside of the backbone 
itself. If you're looking to have an engine up front just simply to keep the front 
end on the ground, I'd rather look into getting a set of wheelie bars to install 
on the back end, or other alternatives

As for a drivetrain, I am obviously biased. I myself wouldn't touch and GM 
powerplant with a 10' cattleprod. For about $3.5 you can buy a brand new 
Ford Lightning 351C w/GT40 heads. Or for a bit more cash, and if you 
REALLY want to break the 500 BHP barrier (quite excessive just to simply 
have a powerful D), you could pick up a brand new HEMI crate engine direct 
from Mopar. Slap one of these up to a Quaife 6-Speed transaxle, and you'll be 
good to go.

Now if you want to do this to your car, there isn't anything to stop you. It is after 
all your car, and you can indeed do what you want. Just be aware that it will 
become a bit of a money pit after a while, and if you chose to sell it, your 
options will be severly limited. But, I will make one suggestion to you.

If you really want to build a DeLorean dragster, and are willing to fabricate so 
many things from scratch, then why bother modding an existing D? I'd say to 
hell with it all, and just build a funny car with a DeLorean body shell. Instant 
dragster, with that unique body shape that you're looking for. And since this 
kind of racing is dangerous, and accidents do happen, that is one thing that 
you want to be aware of. A regular D has a very low center of gravity, so 
rollovers are not common at all. But when you start running this powerful a car 
with the threat of lifing wheels and losing control, you're going to increase the 
flip-ovwer factor. And there is no way in hell I'd want to be caught in one if it 
flipped upside down doing 150mph+ on a racetrack. If it caught on fire, how 
quickly do you think a rescue crew could wedge the car up to try and pull you 
out? Or could they smash the windscreen out with that long slope, and short 
height? Especially if you put all the weight into the front of the car, and it tilts 
forward.

So in the end, you can do what you want, but I'd reccomend to either build it 
completly from scratch, or move on to something else.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"     <---------Ears still ringing from a day at the dragstrip.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, MPolzin_at_dml_s... wrote:
<SNIP>
> Has anyone actually attemped to do such a thing yet? Mounting the engine 
up
> front would certainly do away with the front end issues (lack of steering
> because your tires are off the ground) and putting some real HP into a D.
> Are there any 500+ HP Deloreans out there? I am seriously considering
> undertaking this project, and would be interested in feedback.
> 
> Mike
> VIN 4761




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:47:03 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Modified Deloreans

After reading your post the impression I got was your mechanic may be
very good at what he does but an automotive engineer HE IS NOT! After
making a new frame and putting an engine in the front you won't have a
Delorean anymore. The whole concept of the car was a rear engine
design. Nothing would be the same after you got done with it. You
might as well strap a jet engine underneath it. You would have to
build a whole new suspension, fuel system, electrical, cooling,
exhaust, EVERYTHING. What you would wind up with would more closly
resemble D-Rex then a Delorean but you could do it. It might be hard
to drive though with all that weight up front and none in the back.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, MPolzin_at_dml_s... wrote:
> Considering I had little else to do on a Friday night I went over to
visit
> with my mechanic. Just to give everyone a little bit of background,
this my
> "mechanic" used to build monster trucks, engine, frame, everything.
He can
> fabricate just about anything, the resources this guy has are just
> incredible - he has pulled out the entire engine in my Delorean,
> disassembled, rebuilt, replaced, etc... Its the first Delorean he
has ever
> worked on, but he is fearless and needless to say has some some 




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:52:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Leather Interior

Hi Mike,
The previous owner of my car had the entire dashboard
covered in leather as well as around the centre
console and along the tunnel between the seats.It does
look good,however I have found if you get sun on the
leather it can shrink and warp very quickly.On my
glove box lid the leather has started to peel of
because of the sun.From what I've been told vinyl is
usually preferable for car interiors as it can
withstand the sun damage better than the leather.

Andrew
VIN 2883
Sydney,Aus.
--- Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com wrote:
> 
> Has anyone replaced the massive amounts of vinyl
> with real leather?
> 
> Mike
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:55:12 -0000
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>
Subject: Re: Leather Interior

I figured as much that most everything in the Delorean looks pretty 
nice as it stands. The only thing that bothered me a lot was that the 
roof light grey does not match anything else in the car. Why?? Maybe 
a much darker cloth for the roof would make it more appealing but I 
decided to discuss the matter with a shop. His opinion was to replace 
the roof and door liners with the same material as the dash and the 
seats. Even the doorpost trim panels do not exactly match the doors 
nor the dash so getting it perfectly matched, you would have to strip 
everything out of the car and have it all redone with new materials. 
I opted to just get doorliners and roof panels done in cosmetic 
leather. The real stuff is nice but on a limited budget it was only 
$250 to get it reupholstered and it looks GREAT!!! Now when you step 
into the car, the interior is ALL the same, with the exeption of the 
steering wheel. That will probably remain black. Anyway, I am very 
satisfied with the results. Because the T-roof panels is only 
anchored in the center, these panels tend to droop over time. If you 
decide to redo the roof panels, have them cut a new piece of core-
board for the roof. Not necessary to purchase OEM. The inner core-
board is nothing special. The old one is traced onto new and voila, 
new flush roof panel. Have fun!!




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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:26:15 -0000
From: "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: My "New to Me" Delorean.

My new Delorean.
After placing a fuel kit, a new accumulator, and "replacing" the two 
fuel lines that go from the tank to the accumulator my beautiful 
Delorean starts and runs.. but.... it runs funny. The idle goes very 
high and it seems to be random where it chooses to idle. If I try to 
give it gas, it acts like it's flooding or possibly not getting 
gas "even after it warms up".  It was quite gummed up when I got it 
and I'm wondering if this could be the fuel distributor that causes 
it to act so weird.  Also.. when it warms up, it seems to NOT want to 
start unless I let it sit awhile.
thanks,
Dale Funk




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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:12:16 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: My "New to Me" Delorean.

Check to see that the lambda circuit is operating (the frequency valve
should be buzzing away on the right valve cover). Check that the idle
motor circuit is operating (removing the plug on the idle motor should
make a difference). Check that the three brass screws are lightly
seated closed. You could also need a tune-up and fix all of the vacuum
leaks. The plunger inside the mixture unit could be "gummed up" but
before you go there you might need a control pressure regulator. Make
sure the air sensor plate is centered and wipe the inside with some
carb cleaner. When you are all done and have it running smooth replace
the fuel filter. Make sure the cooling system can hold pressure ie
there are no leaks. Flush the brake and clutch fluid. Check tire
pressures (look at the glove box door for the correct pressures). Make
sure the tail lights all work reliably. Check all fluid levels and
change the engine oil putting the "correct" oil filter in. Replace any
weak struts. Look at the fuse box for any overheating and clean ALL of
the fuses. Save up for at least a Fanzilla and disconnect the locking
module. 
 You are on your way to the TOTAL enjoyment of a Delorean.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> My new Delorean.
> After placing a fuel kit, a new accumulator, and "replacing" the two 
> fuel lines that go from the tank to the accumulator my beautiful 
> Delorean starts and runs.. but.... it runs funny. The idle goes very 
> high and it seems to be random where it chooses to idle. If I try to 
> give it gas, it acts like it's flooding or possibly not getting 
> gas "even after it warms up".  It was quite gummed up when I got it 
> and I'm wondering if this could be the fuel distributor that causes 
> it to act so weird.  Also.. when it warms up, it seems to NOT want to 
> start unless I let it sit awhile.
> thanks,
> Dale Funk




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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:57:18 -0600
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Two-Key codes

I just successfully did another cross-country key cutting by code, and have
a happy customer. That's always good, but it bothers me that I have a
customer I haven't been able to finish the job correctly.

So here's the deal: I have codes and can cut from code, keys for the one-key
cars and ignitions. (All y'all running around using worn keys or copies made
from copies are asking for dead locks.)
But I have to have the five digit code number that is usually found under
the driver's headliner. The code for the one-key cars and ignition is
between 7000 and 9999, and usually has an X at the end (i.e., 7414x).

My one unsuccessful job has been a two-key car, naturally. He only had a
WRxxxx code, which is the code for the doors on a two-key car. As far as I
have been able to determine, there is no cross-reference of those codes to
ignition codes.

Has anyone with a factory two-key car ever seen one of the 7000X to 9999X
codes in their car? Under the dash? On the column?

Anyone need a key cut? I only charge $15 (w/ US shipping). I require proof
of ownership, vin #, build date, and the appropriate key code (naturally).

-Kevin




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:17:38 -0600
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com
Subject: Re: Re: Modified Deloreans

Robert,
I agree, I think the idea of a tubular frame under the Delorean is a great
idea. The whole fact that it can be done it very reassuring for the future
of these cars. I certainly don't want to knock what Pierce Design has done
because it is a great thing and a super product, however it isn't the most
cost effective and the reality is that most cars that have frame trouble
will never see one of these replacements just because of the cost involved -
they end up parted out. I guess I was just some what surprised just how
feasible this option would be considering the amount of discussion what has
gone on about it. Perhaps those involved in the discussion just didn't have
the contacts with the right people.  It is certainly something I plan to
investigate further with him.

On the other subject of modifying a D for some HP, I was also some what
leery about having an engine that huge up front because the goal of this
project, IF it does become a reality is to keep the great looks of the car
in tact and give the car the horse power to back up those good looks. I do
not want something grotesque hanging out of the hood. But  lets face it, my
cousins mini-van has more horses than a stock Delorean, a sad but true fact.

Cars become "fun" to drive around 200 HP (depending on size and weight
ofcourse) and are considered performance in the 300 HP range rolling off the
assembly lines in mass quantity. When you get into the 400 or 500 range this
is where the street legal street racers sit... this would be the goal. Funny
cars generate in excess of 1000 HP.. not the goal at all. Could it be done,
yes, Tad (my mechanic) has built 1800 HP engines which are just ridiculously
expensive. But there are a number of Cobras, Vettes, and such out there that
put out this kind of HP with a pretty reasonable set up.

To be honest, I have to wonder if a mid-mounted engine wouldn't be more
effective over the rear or forward mount. Although it would require that the
interior of the car be modified a bit to remove the cargo area, I'm not sure
that I would mind considering I don't play golf anyhow :) It would also
alleviate the steering problems without creating all of the front end
issues.This project is still in the investigation stages, so engine
placement is still up in the air as are engine choice, etc.

If this project gets off the ground I will certainly put together a web site
and document the process.

Take care,
Mike
VIN 4761

----- Original Message -----
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: [DML] Re: Modified Deloreans


> The idea of a tube frame chassis in my opinion is a great one. And it's
one that
> I've asked about before. A boxed chassis though isn't something that I'd
even
> consider. If you were going to truly insert a powerplant into the car that
would
> create that much torsional flex on the car, I would rather reccomend
installing
> a "cradle" of two more tube rails running underneath the seats, and then
> connecting to the center backbone of the chassis. And of course you'll
need to
> figure in on cutting the body, and making room in the cockpit in install
the
> required roll cage.
>
> If you really want to run a front mounted engine, you can do it. But IMHO,
the
> front end is way too shallow to truly house any large motor. If you put a
hood
> scoop on the bonnet to try and cover up the intake, it would probably end
up
> being higher than the roof! But if you used the tubular chassis with the
cradle,
> I see no reason why you couldn't just run the drivetrain inside of the
backbone
> itself. If you're looking to have an engine up front just simply to keep
the front
> end on the ground, I'd rather look into getting a set of wheelie bars to
install
> on the back end, or other alternatives
>
> As for a drivetrain, I am obviously biased. I myself wouldn't touch and GM
> powerplant with a 10' cattleprod. For about $3.5 you can buy a brand new
> Ford Lightning 351C w/GT40 heads. Or for a bit more cash, and if you
> REALLY want to break the 500 BHP barrier (quite excessive just to simply
> have a powerful D), you could pick up a brand new HEMI crate engine direct
> from Mopar. Slap one of these up to a Quaife 6-Speed transaxle, and you'll
be
> good to go.
>
> Now if you want to do this to your car, there isn't anything to stop you.
It is after
> all your car, and you can indeed do what you want. Just be aware that it
will
> become a bit of a money pit after a while, and if you chose to sell it,
your
> options will be severly limited. But, I will make one suggestion to you.
>
> If you really want to build a DeLorean dragster, and are willing to
fabricate so
> many things from scratch, then why bother modding an existing D? I'd say
to
> hell with it all, and just build a funny car with a DeLorean body shell.
Instant
> dragster, with that unique body shape that you're looking for. And since
this
> kind of racing is dangerous, and accidents do happen, that is one thing
that
> you want to be aware of. A regular D has a very low center of gravity, so
> rollovers are not common at all. But when you start running this powerful
a car
> with the threat of lifing wheels and losing control, you're going to
increase the
> flip-ovwer factor. And there is no way in hell I'd want to be caught in
one if it
> flipped upside down doing 150mph+ on a racetrack. If it caught on fire,
how
> quickly do you think a rescue crew could wedge the car up to try and pull
you
> out? Or could they smash the windscreen out with that long slope, and
short
> height? Especially if you put all the weight into the front of the car,
and it tilts
> forward.
>
> So in the end, you can do what you want, but I'd reccomend to either build
it
> completly from scratch, or move on to something else.
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"     <---------Ears still ringing from a day at the dragstrip.
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, MPolzin_at_dml_s... wrote:
> <SNIP>
> > Has anyone actually attemped to do such a thing yet? Mounting the engine
> up
> > front would certainly do away with the front end issues (lack of
steering
> > because your tires are off the ground) and putting some real HP into a
D.
> > Are there any 500+ HP Deloreans out there? I am seriously considering
> > undertaking this project, and would be interested in feedback.
> >
> > Mike
> > VIN 4761
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:35:44 -0600
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com
Subject: Re: Modified Deloreans

Jim,
I agree, I think I mid-mounted engine may be the right answer for this
project. It alleviates the issues with the steering problems that you would
run into if you put in more HP with a rear mount. It also alleviates the
issues with having something unsightly hanging out of your front hood,
something that I would find unacceptable for this project, and possibly
create other front end issues.

As you say it would provide better balance for a car that was orignally
designed to have a rear mounted engine and would also require much less
modification to the frame of the car to facilitate such a set up.

On the D-REX subject, yeah lets just agree that its HUGE. Its on of my
favorite D's out there just because it is unique. I haven't seen the D-REX
in person yet, but did see it in the 2003 St. Pattys Day parade. My own car
is of course my favorite!

Mike
VIN 4761

----- Original Message -----
From: "James A Strickland" <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] Modified Deloreans


> I think you have no idea the bad of worms that you are opening by trying
> to do a engine swap like this.  You may be "solving" a high-hp oversteer
> with understeer.    I think a longblock in the front of delorean would be
> ridiculous.  You would have to do some serious modification to fit in a
> square frame- there's no real room for it..?
>
> About other (really) high HP conversions, I can only think of the 3.8
> liter Buick swap (Don Steiger I believe).  D-REX has a front engine,
> though it is not very deloreanesque, as it is like 7 feet tall (don't
> correct me, it could be 12 feet.  It's just big, ok?).
>
> I think a sweeeeeet swap would be a mid-engine setup like the Lotus
> Esprit v8.  This would make the car much better balanced.
>
> Jim




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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:54:20 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Modified Deloreans

Mike and List,

You really need to look at what your specific goal or goals are in
building a highly modified Delorean.  Sometimes one project cannot
meet all your goals, then you need to either compromise or build
more than one project to meet your goals.

Although D Rex has a lot of HP and Torque, it does most of its more
impressive work off road than on the street or at the race track.

My High HP Canadian D with an 84 Grand National 3.8L Buick Turbo V6
should be more impressive on the street and at the race track.

Jim's 3-rotor Delorean should give my Canadian D a good run for the
money, but I do have a lot of extra suspension and brake work done.

Rick G. (twin engine Delorean) will probably dominate the dragstrip
once he gets everything "hooked up" and ready to rock and roll.

As for some of the fabrication ideas you mentioned and ones that
have already been discussed by others, the best advice I can give
you is do not under-estimate the engineering, time and cost for a
highly modified Delorean project.  Plan to over-estimate costs.

I am currently working on two other High HP Delorean projects, of
which one is a rear engine, tube frame design, while the other is
a light weight, front engine - rear drive layout that I am calling
my NASCAR Delorean project.  I use the NASCAR reference since most
of the models of cars that are currently used in NASCAR are really
front engine, front drive and have little in common with the street
cars that they are made to resemble.  The NASCAR project Delorean
is based on a 2000 Corvette drive-train platform (shortened 10").

Whatever you decide to do, plan it well, make it perform well and
look good, and above all, do whatever it takes to get it done.

Zoom Zoom.

Later,
Rich W.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, MPolzin_at_dml_s... wrote:
> Considering I had little else to do on a Friday night I went over to 
visit
> with my mechanic. Just to give everyone a little bit of background, 
this my
> "mechanic" used to build monster trucks, engine, frame, everything. 
>
> snip <




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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:23:42 -0000
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>
Subject: Re: Modified Deloreans

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, MPolzin_at_dml_s... wrote:
> Has anyone actually attemped to do such a thing yet? Mounting the 
engine up
> front would certainly do away with the front end issues (lack of 
steering
> because your tires are off the ground) and putting some real HP 
into a D.
> Are there any 500+ HP Deloreans out there? I am seriously 
considering
> undertaking this project, and would be interested in feedback.
> 
> Mike
> VIN 4761

Hi Mike.

I've attempted such a thing.  My Delorean has an engine in front.  I 
don't believe its possible to fit a powerful engine in front.  I 
researched that idea thoroughly, and came up with only a few engines 
that would fit.  I have a 2.0 liter engine from a 1988 Honda Prelude 
in the front of my Delorean.  If you look at one of those cars, 
you'll notice the exceptionally low hood it has.  Very few cars have 
front ends this low.  It was quite a trick to get even this small 
engine to go in.

I don't believe there are any 500+hp Deloreans out there.  Mine has 
ratings of 130hp front, and 400hp rear (two engines), but that 400hp 
figure is gross, the net total hp of my car is approximately 435hp 
with both engines running.  Technically, since the car has not run 
yet, the actual output of my car is 0hp.

Very few things in my car escaped modification.  I've logged lots of 
hours in my car to get it where it's at.  It should be running this 
summer.  Was it worth the effort? That depends on crowd response I 
guess.  Would I do it again?  No.  

Rick G.









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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:33:42 +0100
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Leather Interior

Just starting to, You can se my total leather seats at my site under
'Interior', Dash and binnacle next
Cheers

Paul
#6463
http://www.paul.salsbury.btinternet.co.uk
----- Original Message -----

> Has anyone replaced the massive amounts of vinyl with real leather?
>
> Mike
>





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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:38:56 -0500
From: Watkins Family <watbmv_at_dml_megalink.net>
Subject: Clock and A/C light dimming.

O.k....since nobody answered my question regarding the wierd military 
time on my clock I am assuming that nobody has any idea what the problem 
could be.  I'd like to have it work correctly but if there is no way to 
fix it other than to replace it, I'd rather not.

Also,  Is there anyway to make the A/C bezel lights dim and brighten 
with the rheostat?  This is also a question I have asked before with no 
responses.Has anyone tried to do this?  Is it a complicated procedure?

Thanks         Tom      #005732 




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:36:20 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: My "New to Me" Delorean.

Responded to this earlier but I think Yahoo ate that post (got a
message about database being out of service)...

Problem could be idle speed motor or ECU. Mine became woefully
cantankerous before I jetisoned on favor of manual idle circuit 
(like a Volvo). Remember: in stock configuration only way for engine
to breathe at idle is through idle motor (had to crack throttle plates
when mine would stick closed).

Automatic idle system is very nice when working properly. Is pure T
miserable when it isn't. If you'd like to try running on the manual
circuit, contact me off list (brobertson(AT)carolina.net) and I'll
walk you through it. Everything you need is already built into the
PRV. No permanent changes -- snug down one screw and reinstall one
hose to go back to factory configuration.

BTW: agree w/ David T -- make sure rest of engine in proper tune, no
vacuum leaks, etc before setting final idle. 

Bill Robertson
#5939 (22 days and counting...)

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> My new Delorean.
> After placing a fuel kit, a new accumulator, and "replacing" the two 
> fuel lines that go from the tank to the accumulator my beautiful 
> Delorean starts and runs.. but.... it runs funny. The idle goes very 
> high and it seems to be random where it chooses to idle. If I try to 
> give it gas, it acts like it's flooding or possibly not getting 
> gas "even after it warms up".  It was quite gummed up when I got it 
> and I'm wondering if this could be the fuel distributor that causes 
> it to act so weird.  Also.. when it warms up, it seems to NOT want to 
> start unless I let it sit awhile.
> thanks,
> Dale Funk




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:10:04 -0800 (PST)
From: jaimie Mackenzie <jmacberg_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: My "New to Me" Delorean.

David why do you want to disconnect the locking module
i presume that is for the door locks?



--- David Teitelbaum <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net> wrote:
> Check to see that the lambda circuit is operating ...

<snip -- excessive quoted material removed>

> ... the fuses. Save up for at least a Fanzilla and
> disconnect the locking
> module. 
>  You are on your way to the TOTAL enjoyment of a
> Delorean.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 



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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:11:16 -0000
From: "silverdelorean2002" <silvercrw646_at_dml_cs.com>
Subject: Restored Engine Compartment

My engine compartment is finally near completion after a ton of 
work. FOr pics please go to the photos section and look under the 
engine folder. Click full size to view the real size. Every part and 
every bolt has been gone over including polishing.


Jon
10103




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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:14:56 EST
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean for sale

List,

at a car show i was participating in recently, a man came up to me and told 
me his sister is selling her DeLorean.  he didn't know much about it, but it 
is in the Minneapolis/St. Paul MN area.   he told me it in 'really nice 
shape'.

here is ALL the information i have.  i told the man i would put the word out.

Cathi or Gary
952-446-9196
DeLorean for sale!

That's it.  
hope it helps someone out!
Andy

Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
1982 DeLorean DMC-12 VIN#11596
Fargo, ND 58102


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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:43:28 EST (-0500)
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: Leather Interior

I am in the US and would be interested in getting in touch with them to 
do my seats... wonder what shipping would be for 2 seats to them ??

Michael

Vin 6067 (in under a week)

> Just starting to, You can se my total leather seats at my site under
> 'Interior', Dash and binnacle next
> Cheers
> 
> Paul
> #6463
> http://www.paul.salsbury.btinternet.co.uk
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> > Has anyone replaced the massive amounts of vinyl with real leather?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> 
> 
> 
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