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Date: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:57 AM

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DeLorean Floatation Device (FloatZilla?)
From: "Darin Wolf" <son_darin_at_dml_hotmail.com>

2. Re: Dyeing interior parts (was: Good day to you all..)
From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>

3. Re: Exhaust Studs, what torque?
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>

4. Removeable body panels
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>

5. Fiberglass Lotus Deloreans
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>

6. Re: Good day to you all..
From: "Gary Weaver II" <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>

7. Oddball plugs
From: Richard Acuti <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

8. Delorean Leather Gray Seat covers
From: "dmchero2003" <idorbconsulting_at_dml_cs.com>

9. Gary's fine new ride (#10680)
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

10. Correction: Gary's fine new ride
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

11. Re: Re: Dyeing interior parts (was: Good day to you all..)
From: <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>

12. Re: Dyeing interior parts (was: Good day to you all..)
From: "silverdelorean2002" <silvercrw646_at_dml_cs.com>

13. Re: Re: Good day to you all..
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

14. Re: Fiberglass Lotus Deloreans
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

15. Re: Removeable body panels
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

16. RE: Fiberglass Lotus Deloreans
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>

17. Re: Oddball plugs
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

18. Re: Oddball plugs
From: "Adam" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

19. Spring Cleaning
From: "im2witty" <im2witty_at_dml_yahoo.com>

20. Re: Oddball plugs
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com

21. Automatic Delorean
From: AdamRayVaughn_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 06:43:16 -0000
From: "Darin Wolf" <son_darin_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Floatation Device (FloatZilla?)

I'm sure that the only way I would learn about a DeLorean's handling 
and capability is if I actually owned one.  I'm merely getting 
questions answered. : )

On one side, in referrence to changing the weight distribution, I 
guess that is a bad idea, unless of course you counter balance the 
weight of a new engine by the appropriate offset.  I admitt I have 
to consider all options before even attempting any actions.  In 
light of the steering, I am not a friend of the brake pedal unless 
behind slower traffic and at stop signs or turns.  How does this 
effect the DeLorean's handling, especially on windy roads?  I have a 
perfect location to test this, at least in my eye.  Highway 32, 
across Salem all the way to the intersection is a very good place to 
check all kinds of handling.  The winding roads are a very hazardous 
and treacherous trip to make, especially if you happen to be a Texan 
who isn't known to constantly pedal the brake.

For floating, I wasn't worried about a D turning over, so much as I 
was about how it even floats.  I guess it is logical to assume that 
it would be tail heavy.  One question I would have is if someone has 
thought about placing that spray foam into the fiberglass of these 
cars to make it a floatie.  Not that I ever would of course, unless 
for some strange reason I happen to get the urge of fishing from car 
hood..

Wouldn't it be safe to say that the last thing you'd want to do is 
make a DeLorean float unless you happen to have a trolley motor or a 
20 hp marine prop?  Now that I think of it, I might be better off 
overturning a VW Beetle and welding the doors shut.



Again I say, I would love to find out more about a DeLorean's 
handling capabilities, as well as saftey issues simply because I am 
considering the purchase of one.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Stragand, Dave" 
<dave.stragand_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> Actual accident records show that less than 1 percent of those who 
die in crashes are trapped in a vehicle that has been submerged in 
water, rolled over, or caught fire.  And that one percent is for all three
scenarios combined!



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:23:17 -0500
From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
Subject: Re: Dyeing interior parts (was: Good day to you all..)

Hi All,
 
Redyeing vinyl interior components is very common in auto restoration,
and quite easy to do.
 
With vinyl sprays, the key is to clean the living he** out of the
surface before you spray. I used acetone until the surface of the vinyl
nearly started to dissolve. At that point, it's a great surface for the
dye to adhere to. 
 
Actually, it's more of a vinyl -spray- than a vinyl dye. It actually
sprays a new coat of vinyl over the old. It's so good, you can change
black panels to gray (or even white) with no problems. In fact, most of
Houstons "gray" panels and binnacles are actually redyed black ones
(according to Warren).
 
I used Plasti-Kote #408 Gray, and it was wonderful.  Plasti-Kote also
makes a Charcoal, but I can't tell you how that compares to the D's
black components.  You could go blue, silver, tan, red -- you name it.
 
There are some pics of my redyed interior up at
<http://www.projectvixen.com/week135.htm>
http://www.projectvixen.com/week135.htm .  But I'm not the only one who
has had success with this.  I got this email from another list member a
few weeks ago:
 
"Hey dave, fellow dmler and delorean owner here.  I followed your advice
with the Plasti-Kote 408 and my interior looks brand new. I died every
piece in the car.   By the way when I was at the fall tour here in NJ,
everyone was like, "damn that interior is new".  They coudn't believe
that it was redied and not replaced.  They all wanted to know what I
did."
 
-Dave
 


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:07:01 -0000
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Studs, what torque?

I remember replacing the manifold gaskets on both sides. When the 
manifolds are removed, you will find that both at the block and the 
manifold, you might see corrosion. Just taking the manifolds to a 
machine shop should do the job. Clean both surfaces well and apply a 
coating of sealant on both sides of the gasket. Remember that the 
gasket will allow for some compression to allow for a good seal. I do 
not remember the exact stuff I used for it. When I put new studs into 
the block, I decided to make my own and thread them into the block a 
ways. I remember that when attaching the manifolds back onto the 
block, Ijust tightened them as best as I could. Please! I'm no 
professional mechanic and I hope somebody out there has more 
expertise on this subject. I am a do-it-your-selver and on some jobs, 
I just give it my best shot with some advise from a local mechanic. 
Torqueing nuts and bolts, no clue!
John

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "schab932000" <schab932000_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Next question, when putting the new studs back in, do I just hand 
> tighten them and when I eventually put the manifold and nuts 
> back on, will it set itself. Or should I double nut the studs and 
> torque the studs in, remove the nuts, then put the manifold on 
> then put the nuts back on? Finally, what torque do these studs need to be at.



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:37:31 -0000
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>
Subject: Removeable body panels

It was once thought as an idea way back prior to production that John 
decided to make the stainless steel panels removeable items with the 
option for owners to just slap-on new ones of a different color. The 
way the car is designed, a rear quarter-panel could be real difficult 
to replace. Does anybody have information on this idea that never was 
implemented? None of my literature made mention if it in great detail.




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:40:44 -0000
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>
Subject: Fiberglass Lotus Deloreans

I am reposting this message as there must be somebody out there with 
information:

I noted a picture in Stainless Steel Illusion, page 113, that 18 test 
vehicles with fiberglass panels were built by Lotus. Are these orange 
Deloreans still in existence or where they scraped??





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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 16:41:21 -0000
From: "Gary Weaver II" <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Good day to you all..

Just to follow-up...

My car is Vin# 10680 and you can see some quick pictures of it here:

http://members.cox.net/bk2dftr/garysdmc.html

All in all the car is not too bad. Its definitely NOT concourse 
quality, but fun to tool around in when I have the time. Considering 
what I paid, I'm probably in for some painful (read $$$) lessons in 
the future...

Aside from some frame rust (all of it appears as surface rust and 
flaking epoxy), no totally open spots or cracks at the joints), the 
car is in pretty sound shape.

There are a few things I need to do in the near future to better 
enjoy my new toy...

Redye some of the Interior - specifically the dash and binnacle. 
They have a major case of sunburn. My binnacle is slightly cracked 
in two spots, but I can live with it for now.

New Seat Covers. I really just need a decent lowcost cover. I 
realize thats almost ironic, but any sources would be great...

Small antifreeze leak on one hose. The leaky hose is in a well open 
spot underneath the car, but dang this car is a bear to lift and 
support. Any tricks I should know for a stable garage lift and 
support without needing a 4 point lift?

Redressing an area of stainless? I took that nastly hood emblem off 
and am now left with some slight surface staining. I'd imagine I 
coould work the stainless back with some ultra fine steel wool. Is 
there any advice on a better at-home solution...

-Gary Weaver




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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:56:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Acuti <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Oddball plugs

When looking in the engine compartment of my latest financial disaster, I have observed two plugs in the wiring harness that don't seem to have a mate.

I realize that these may be for features that never made it to production, or options mine didn't come with but I want to ask anyway:

Along the firewall, is a white, 2 prong plug with red and black wires. What's it for?

Near the full-throttle microswitch plugs, there is a black, two-spade type plug with green/light green wires. Again, what's it for?

I thouht the first one (the red/black one) might have to do w/the automatic transmission. Mine's a manual so it would make sense for it not to be plugged in.

Thanks guys.

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Don't be left out! Register today for the 2003 DMC Open House Event at http://www.delorean.com/2003event.asp



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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:22:00 -0000
From: "dmchero2003" <idorbconsulting_at_dml_cs.com>
Subject: Delorean Leather Gray Seat covers

Hey guys, I have a set of NOS Brand NEw delorean leather seat covers 
in gray. It will do two seats. They are brand new never on a car and 
do not exist anymore in gray. THis is probably the last set around 
anywhere NOS. They have been stored correctly. I was thinkin of 
using them but have to decided to put on a set of black ones for a 
two toned interior. I am lookin to trade this set of gray to anyone 
who has a set in BLAcK That are also new. If you have a set Please 
email me and we can work out and even Trade. IF there is no one to 
trade i will buy a set of black ones from a DMC vendor and sell 
these so I May sell these outright. Email me if your interested.

thanks
 




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 06:15:33 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Gary's fine new ride (#10680)

First & foremost: always keep steel wool away from your car. Tiny bits
will transfer to the stainless and rust. Looks TERRIBLE. My vehicle
had an altercation with a carbon steel object sometime mid 1980's and
I'm STILL cleaning rust out of the dent.

Second: buy a factory tech manual. All major vendors sell reprints.
You or your mechanic won't make it without one. Book is far from
perfect, but guarantee is NOT optional.

Third: check ALL your coolant hoses. Was promised "all new hoses" by
my PO but discovered were two big formed ones only (after roaring up
and down I-95). Don't forget hoses and pipes hiding underneath intake
manifold, which isn't difficult to remove BTW. Is very dangerous rely
on 21 year old rubber. Did you follow the recent thread Re: coolant
system bleeder lines?

Fourth: while your intake manifold is off, replace distributor cap &
rotor and ignition wires. Was once told by old mechanic that 99% of
all vehicle problems are electrical. This is so true, especially on
little silver cars. Because distributor is hard to reach, many of them
are well past service interval. Only takes a tiny crack to render
vehicle totally DOA in the rain or humidity (AZ may save you on this one).

Fifth: take fuel pump out of tank and examine condition of pump boot,
baffle (especially protective screens), and connecting hose. Fuel
pickup is one of our cars' biggest Achilles heels. Is not too
expensive to replace everything in the tank, which is my preferred RX.

Have run out of fingers on left hand so will shut up. List just goes
on and on... Little silver cars are tough pieces of hardware, but they
ARE old and most suffer from being driven too LITTLE. Don't feel bad
about money invested. I've got $8,600 in mine and would drive it to
California if I could only shift gears. Disagree that you need $20,000
to play DeLorean game (conventional wisdom). 

Use extensively the Google search engine on list archives (Dave
Swingle has link to it on DMCNEWS website). Someone has had every
problem you will ever encounter. Answers one mouse click away
("answers", not "solutions").

Bill Robertson
#5939 (19 days...)  


>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Gary Weaver II" <gw2tulsa_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Just to follow-up...
> 
> My car is Vin# 10680 -  All in all the car is not too bad.



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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 06:24:43 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Correction: Gary's fine new ride

Incorrectly remembered that you live in Arizona (must be the pain
pills). Climate in Oklahoma could play havoc with old ignition
components -- make their replacement a priority.

Bill "Codine" Robertson
#5939





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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 16:44:24 -0500
From: <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Dyeing interior parts (was: Good day to you all..)

Dave,

You are the man. Thanks so much for this info. I was actually going to e-mail you off the Vixen page a few days ago about this, I just got so tied up in getting my D I forgot... :)

Again, thank you...

-Gary

> 
> From: "Stragand, Dave" <dave.stragand_at_dml_ketchum.com>
> Subject: [DML] Re: Dyeing interior parts (was: Good day to you all..)
> 
> Hi All,  
> Redyeing vinyl interior components is very common in auto restoration,
> and quite easy to do.



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:47:14 -0000
From: "silverdelorean2002" <silvercrw646_at_dml_cs.com>
Subject: Re: Dyeing interior parts (was: Good day to you all..)

Hey dave, I emailed you, Dave is right the Plasti-kote stuff is 
great. Go look in the pictures folder at the interior folder. Look 
how mine came out.



thanks
Jon
10103




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:37:13 -0500
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Good day to you all..

no steel wool........... use blending pads from your vendors.  Steel wool
will leave fragments of steel in your stainless steel and it will appear
your stainless is rusting.

Joseph
vin 2850


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Weaver II" <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: [DML] Re: Good day to you all..


> Just to follow-up...

> Redressing an area of stainless? I took that nastly hood emblem off
> and am now left with some slight surface staining. I'd imagine I
> coould work the stainless back with some ultra fine steel wool. Is
> there any advice on a better at-home solution...
>
> -Gary Weaver



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 14:57:22 -0800
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Fiberglass Lotus Deloreans

I made a pilgrimage to the Lotus factory in Norwich, England about a dozen
years ago.  I was hoping to get a factory tour but was they were suspended
because of a high security consulting job they had going.  As I had nothing
to do with what remained of the day I had scheduled, I just hung out in the
area.  At dinner I mentioned to a friendly chap at the next table my plight.
Turns out he worked at the factory in the paint and body finishing
department.  We talked for about two hours about his experiences and in
particular the DeLorean experience.  He stated that the cars you mention
were deskined and reskined in stainless (once skins were available) for
checking panel fit, on the road chassis testing and inspection of resulting
wear and tear, training aids, crash testing and ultimatly disposal.  He
stated that they had just a few months prior been instructed to throw quite
a sizeable pile of these fiberglass DeLorean panels away as they had set
around for years and were of no value.  Also the molds made for their
production were thrown away at the same time.  I couldn't get much of a read
as to what he thought of the DeLorean experience as it related to Lotus
Cars, but I did get an ear full regarding VAT Tax (All negative).

Don Ekhoff
Vin 6543


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>
Subject: [DML] Fiberglass Lotus Deloreans


> I am reposting this message as there must be somebody out there with
> information:
> I noted a picture in Stainless Steel Illusion, page 113, that 18 test
> vehicles with fiberglass panels were built by Lotus. Are these orange
> Deloreans still in existence or where they scraped??



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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 17:07:44 -0600
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Removeable body panels

John,

I have heard this story starting with the Bricklin, then the Delorean 
and then the Fiero.  

For the D, this would have been easy to design in for the front fenders, 
hood and rear panels (even though it wasn't.) The tough problem has 
always been the doors.  Not an easy design there.

An easily removable cosmetic panel would have added weight to the door 
even if only a small amount. The doors were heavy enough.  The lifting 
mechanism, though well engineered, pushed the design to the limits.  AKA 
door lifting problems in the winter vs. summer.

The door skin on the D is an integral part of the door strength. A 
secondary color skin and attaching hardware would have been necessary.

However, this closest to this design concept was the 63 Buick Rivera. 
 The door skins screwed onto the door and could be easily changed.  This 
was before the need for stronger doors to meet side impact crash standards.

Bob







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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 18:16:20 -0500
From: "Marc A. Levy" <malevy_at_dml_paramanet.com>
Subject: RE: Fiberglass Lotus Deloreans

a LOOOOOOOONG time ago this was discussed on the DML.  I don't think there was any resolution to the question, but I think someone mentioned seeing one or two at a Lotus property somewhere in Europe.  Check the archives, you may have to go back before we were on Yahoo...  but I am not sure.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Elgersma [mailto:delorean_at_dml_telus.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:41 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Fiberglass Lotus Deloreans


I am reposting this message as there must be somebody out there with 
information:

I noted a picture in Stainless Steel Illusion, page 113, that 18 test 
vehicles with fiberglass panels were built by Lotus. Are these orange 
Deloreans still in existence or where they scraped??



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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:40:39 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Oddball plugs

The plugs you see that are not being used are for the automatic. That
also goes for the one on the engine. There are also some plugs under
the coil cover that aren't used depending on the transmission. There
is one plug by the fuseblock that should NOT have anything plugged
into it. It is the Hot Start Relay plug. It hangs loose off the
harness by the fuse block.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Richard Acuti <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> When looking in the engine compartment of my latest financial
disaster, I have observed two plugs in the wiring harness that don't
seem to have a mate.



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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 03:25:48 -0000
From: "Adam" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oddball plugs

My car has all these same plugs. I think they al have these unused 
connectors, my car is an automatic though, dont know if that would 
make a difference. I tested the voltage from the white connector and 
its got 12V available, so if you have any accessories to hook up back 
there you already have an established plug!

Adam
16683




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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 03:44:50 -0000
From: "im2witty" <im2witty_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Spring Cleaning

Hello all.

As an owner of a Delorean, I find this newsgroup as one of the most 
concise databases concerning the up keep of the Delorean Motor Car.  
Most persons who post and answer posts are helpful and sincere.  What
would really take this group to a higher level is a good "Spring 
Cleaning.".  For example, I have several Delorean parts just lying 
around the house collecting dust.  Parts that I will probably never 
use in my ( of my car's) entire life.  The obvious question for me 
is how do I rid myself of these parts.  I thought of newspaper ads 
and I thought of e-bay.  As most of you who have taken the first 
route, I'm almost certain that you came up with the exact same 
conclusion that I received.  Newspaper ads mostly attract "deamers" 
and not REAL persons who wish to "Live The Dream."  "E-bay" just 
generates feeding frenzies where the persons selling the parts are 
trying hard to become overnight millionares which leads me to say 
that I am NOT a millionare, (unless I lived in Turkey).  

I suggest a once a year "Spring cleaning" where we, as DMC owners 
and members of this group can post, via this mediam, the spare parts 
that the person has little or no use for.  Of course, it should be 
limited to one week a year.  Also the price for the parts should be 
clearly listed, reasonable and fair.  I am willing to post the first 
part I own and have no use for, a passenger side rear rotor
(BRAND SPANKING NEW).  And yes, I know that I am not going to make a 
million dollars selling it, so I would price it at near cost (less 
than $65.00).

Just a thought

Peter
#6201







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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:35:45 EST
From: dherv10_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Oddball plugs

Richard, If your driving a standard shift car the extra wires against the 
fire wall are for the Automatic trans, The other wires are for either the 
full throttle switch.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com




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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 01:44:26 EST
From: AdamRayVaughn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Automatic Delorean

Does anyone have an Automatic Delorean in excellent condition that they want 
to sell?  I live in Pennsylvania and am looking for a car preferably on the 
east coast.
   
       Please e-mail me directly at AdamRayVaughn - at - aol.com

       Thanks,
                Adam


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