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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1465
Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 5:30 AM

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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Gas Flap.
From: Mark Fearer <mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com>

2. Re: Gas Flap.
From: <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>

3. Re: Gas Flap.
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

4. Re: Wheel Repair.
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

5. Re: Critical Engine Failure
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

6. Re: Gas Flap.
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

7. Re: Need Tire Recommendations
From: beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com

8. Need Tire Recommendations
From: "maddog6198_2000" <maddog6198_at_dml_aol.com>

9. Re: Lamda system mandatory?
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

10. Re: Oil Pressure
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

11. Re: Need Tire Recommendations
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

12. Re: gas flap hood
From: "khyron_21502" <khyron_21502_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:14:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Fearer <mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com>
Subject: Re: Gas Flap.

So, what *was* the reasoning behind the gas flap being discontinued? Was
it materials & production costs? Were there defects & problems? It seemed
like the original idea was better than the post gas flap design....

Mark Fearer
Manchester, New Hampshire
3072




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:55:23 -0400
From: <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Gas Flap.

Oh, more details on this please.... :)

I get funny looks when I have to open the front trunk lid to fill up...

-Gary Weaver II
VIN# 10680 (No Lines, No Flap :( )

> 
> From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
> Date: 2003/04/15 Tue PM 01:34:08 EDT
> To: deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com,   dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Gas Flap.
> 
> James,
> 
> NOS gas flaps are available.  If you are good with sheet metal, you can 
> retrofit a flap into your hood.  That's what I did with my car.
> 
> BOB
> 
> 
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:03:54 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Gas Flap.

Jim and James,

Since my car was a basket case to start with.  The cost/ risk of 
damaging the hood was minimal  So I did it and am really happy with the 
results.

I ordered the NOS gas doors a few year ago.  They were under $100. 
 There are a few brackets that go with them and some bumpers.  I made 
some of my own.

When you cut the hood opening you need to undersize it so you can bend 
the edges down just like on the original hoods.  It helps to have a 
original gas door hood to copy from, but I didn't have one.  

It helps to have a sheet metal bending tool used for duct work.  It is a 
set of vise grip with two flat plates on them. This give you the square 
edge to bend the edges and lightly hammer against to get square edge. 
 You can practice doing this on some spare sheet metal. The Delorean 
stainless is pretty soft so it not hard to work with.  

I will post some pictures in a few days.

BOB






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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:59:47 -0700
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Wheel Repair.

Yes, they are cast aluminum.  They do vary with regards to finish and
porosity.  I have had DeLorean rims both polished and chromed.  I prefer the
chrome for it's ease in keeping them looking great.  In all cases I had the
rim, hub and spokes polished and the inner surfaced painted black for
contrast and accent.  The best deal I found was an outfit in Los Angeles,
Calif. that did the strip/polish/chrome and paint for $460.00 complete.  If
you are interested I can dig out the information or if you would like I will
sell you my rims, complete with tires.  Contact me off-line if interested.
The polished rims are in Idaho and the chrome rims are in Calif.

Don Ekhoff
#6543


----- Original Message -----
From: "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_hotmail.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 9:17 PM
Subject: [DML] Wheel Repair.


> I am hoping to restore the wheels on my Delorean.
> Are they Aluminum?  It seems like something I should be able to do
> myself. I spoke with a guy and he said it would cost about $600.00
> for him to do whatever to refinish them.
> Any knowledge or ideas on this subject?
> Thanks
> Dale Funk
> #4984
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:54:17 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Critical Engine Failure

As usual, everyone has been right there with good advice and 
encouragement. First off- Thanks.

Second, the most common recommendation was to find out where it's 
coming from: I have looked all around the heads as much as posssible 
with it still assembled, and I can't find any leakage around the 
heads. The frame up forward, towards the tranny has oil on it, but 
from the top of the engine looking down, there's no slime trail. It's 
almost as if a main (crank) seal blew, but that would be oil not oil 
and coolant right?

I called DMC and told them "Houston, we have a problem". I was told 
it might just be a cracked block by the location but to call back 
tomorrow for more expert advice.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Richard Acuti <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> List,
> 
> Everyone here has been wonderful with advice and info. Don't fail 
me now...
> 
> I bought #5335 undrivable, and have been repairing things as I find 
them. I was idling it in my driveway 4 days ago when something seemed 
to "give", and it acted as though it had a vacuum leak. I shut it 
down and had to leave it for a few days. I ran it this evening, again 
it acted that way, but with a sickening twist...green coolant mixed 
with oil came spilling out on the ground once it warmed up.
> 
> It only has 22K on it, but it sat for years before I bought it. The 
oil level was correct, I'd just checked it. The oil pressure does 
climb pretty high when it was revved up. I've never "redlined" the 
engine though.
> 
> Cracked block, or blown head gasket? You be the judge... I'm 
leaning towards the gasket. 
> 
> After all I've done, to get hit with this...I nearly puked I was so 
upset. Should I just toss the engine, or is it worth fixing? Would 
high oil pressure blow the head gasket? What would make the oil 
pressure too high? (No, I didn't put too much in)
> 
> Thanks guys
> 
> My wife's gonna kill me...
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:37:23 -0700
From: "Donald Ekhoff" <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Gas Flap.

I heard, back when, that there was a concern about vandalism (sugar in the
gas tank?).  I suspect it could have been a cost savings/ production
efficiency issue.  Maybe it was justified as making the styling sleeker.
Maybe all three were brought up when the decision was made.

Don Ekhoff


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Fearer" <mfearer_at_dml_mail.fearernet.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Gas Flap.


> So, what *was* the reasoning behind the gas flap being discontinued? Was
> it materials & production costs? Were there defects & problems? It seemed
> like the original idea was better than the post gas flap design....
>
> Mark Fearer
> Manchester, New Hampshire
> 3072
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:40:26 EDT
From: beatlesra1_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Need Tire Recommendations

Dale,
You're gonna get all kinds of suggestions on this topic including mine! I 
just bought Cooper Cobra Gt's, $329.00 mounted and balanced out the door..I 
LOVE THEM! and didn't cost a fortune either..Good thing cause i just had to 
replace my Fuel distributor..OUCH!

Chuck
Vin# 6125


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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:34:05 -0000
From: "maddog6198_2000" <maddog6198_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Need Tire Recommendations

 
I pulled the NCT's off of my D and bought 235/60/15 & 195/60/14 
Goodyear Eagle GT II's. Tire Rack sells them also and they have a 
comparable tread pattern to the NCT's. The only drag is that the 
rears come with raised white letter that you have to mount on the 
inside and eventually the black wears off so you can see the 
letters. However, the ride and cost are very comparable to the 
original.

Just my 2 cents worth.

John Curry
83 D 15943




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:47:12 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Lamda system mandatory?

If the fuel system has no Lambda then it is not K-jetronic. I doubt 
if the engine could pass an emissions test in the US.

Harold McElraft - 3354



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> 
wrote:
> Hate to throw sand in the gears, but my PRV runs excellent with
> absolutely no Lamda system whatsoever. As soon as I get out of this
> sling & wrap will drive the vehicle (fast and smooth) to a fellow 
w/
> digital camera to document (if you look closely at pics in #5939's
> photo album you can see what I'll zoom in on -- no frequency 
valve, no
> line to lower chambers, capped O2 sensor bung). True, my fuel
> distributor may be different internally (Martin G, could you get
> Darren to look into that?). But even if I have no lower chambers,
> wouldn't simply removing fuel pressure from lower chambers in a DMC
> unit yield the same result? My fuel distributor has a Bosch ID tag 
BTW
> (will quote model number when I get home). Is aluminum.
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
> <snip>
> 
> A properly
> set-up and operating PRV won't run right without the lambda 
system, it
> adds a little fuel to make the air-fuel ratio correct. With a dead 
O2
> sensor the Lambda will revert (fallback) to a fixed value. The big
> symptom would be a loss of power and terrible acceleration. It is 
even
> worse if the Lambda system is dead completely.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> <snip>
> 
> You cannot remove the
> lambda and successfully get an accurate air-fuel ratio across the
> RPM band without going to another injection setup. Bosch K-Jetronic
> has to have the lambda to work.
> Harold McElraft - 3354




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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 01:02:40 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure

You cannot trust the reading of a DeLorean oil guage unless you have 
replaced the sending unit with a proper calibrated unit or had the 
OEM unit "cleaned". The OEM senders never had the correct resistence 
because of a coating on the contact arm inside the unit. The OEM 
units read too high 99 percent of the time.

Harold McElraft - 3354

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, BondAtomic_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Having oil pressure is great- but after reading about the critical 
engine 
> failure, is having a large amount bad? Warm, my engine idles with 
around 40 
> lbs, and driving it is north of 80. The oil level is correct, as 
is 
> everything else. 
> 
> John
> 4275
> 
> 
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 01:13:39 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Need Tire Recommendations

Michelin Pilot XGT H4. They are a little pricy (about $400 before 
installation) but excellent tires in the DeLorean sizes for a full 
match front and rear. I have over 6000 miles on a set so far and 
they are the best tires I have had on a DeLorean so far. Go to Tire 
Rack, look under DeLorean and that's what you will find.

Harold McElraft - 3354



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "funkstuf" <funkstuf_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I'm preparing to replace my old original NCT tires.
> I would like some recommendations for replacement tires.
> I am hoping to find a type that I can put the same type & model on 
> front and back.  When I looked at GoodYear I couldn't find this.
> What do you all recommend?
> Thanks
> Dale Funk
> #4984




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:02:52 -0000
From: "khyron_21502" <khyron_21502_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: gas flap hood

Hmmmm,my car 3180 has no flap.
 Did I get gipped?

  Scott Evans
  Vin3180



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_t...> 
wrote:
> According to my documents, it looks like the #3200 was the last 
one 
> with the gas access door in the hood.
> John
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "dmcstyle1983" <sky250r_at_dml_a...> 
wrote:
> > What was the last VIN# for the gas flap hood?
> > Was the trunk any differant to accommodate for this hood?




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