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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1477
Date: Saturday, April 26, 2003 2:51 AM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Fluid for Girling hydraulic components
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

2. Re: History's Greatest Blunders and E! Hollywood True Stories
From: Nick Ryan <nick_at_dml_imagenow.ie>

3. DeLorean Car Show Magazine and website
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Vacuum Advance Problem
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

5. Re: Front Grill
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

6. DeLorean Motor Company Magazine
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

7. Re: Front Grill
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

8. UPDATE Vacuum Advance Problem
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com

9. Delorean Midatlantic Spring Social
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

10. Re: DeLorean Motor Company Magazine
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com

11. 3D Ken
From: "gullwingmagazine" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>

12. Re: History's Greatest Blunders and E! Hollywood True Stories
From: "Jordan Hamilton" <DeLorean_at_dml_gbronline.com>

13. Re: Re: Front Grill
From: webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk

14. Re: 3D Ken
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

15. Hose help
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

16. Other DeLorean Question
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

17. Re: Front Grill
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 05:49:19 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Fluid for Girling hydraulic components

AMC used Girling master/slave cylinders in their clutch systems
1980-1986. Factory literature (including big tech manuals) only
mentions AMC brand brake fluid (of course) or any other fluid meeting
DOT *3* specs. My high school car (still active in the stable) ran for
years on various house brands no sweat.

I think several things hurt Girling component users:
1) Only lubricant between rubber seal and metal cylinder is brake
fluid. If the component isn't used often, surface on far side of
piston travel dries out. Rubber drags across dry metal for at least
first petal push, resulting in accelerated wear (notice only outer
tapered edge of seal actually touches cylinder wall).
2) Girling components are made out of pot metal, not aluminum (at
least AMC's were). Will rust and pit. Only protection over piston
travel is layer of brake fluid. If not used often, rubber seal may
also end up dragging across rough surface.
3) Rebuilt components are honed, resulting in slightly oversized
cylinders. You'd think slightly larger seals would also be used but
appear not to be (at least not by Brakeware, or whatever brand has the
stoplight on it's label, sold by Autozone and Advance). After living
off factory slave cylinder for a decade or so, started burning through
rebuilt units every 2-3 years. Only a NOS cylinder purchased at
national convention 1998 has performed like the original (makes sense,
eh?).

As mentioned by David T, changing fluid regularly is probably more
important than any particular brand (folklore notwithstanding). To
that I'd add regular component use.

Bill Robertson
#5939





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Message: 2
Date: 25 Apr 2003 09:29:56 +0100
From: Nick Ryan <nick_at_dml_imagenow.ie>
Subject: Re: History's Greatest Blunders and E! Hollywood True Stories

That is footage of the original prototype Delorean, from around 1977. 

Nick

On 4/24/03 10:29 PM, supremeadmiralsenn <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net> wrote:
>Hmm...is it just me, or is the De Lorean in the opening seconds of 
>
>this episode built differently? The whole lower front end of the 
>car 
>looks different. I always thought the intake on the bottom was black. 
>
>Or am I just an idiot? 
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:45:32 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show Magazine and website

The second issue of the DeLorean Car Show Magazine is out and we have updated 
that section on the web page.  

So if you want to see a real cool shot of Curtis car (Cover of the magazine) 
check it out at 
deloreancarshow.com and click on magazine.

We also have added video to the guess whos coming to Pigeon Forge and 
althought its not up yet we have Mark DeLorean (Johns Nephew) saying he is 
coming to Pigeon Forge.

So hopefully the list of guests continues to increase.

Hope you all enjoy 

And yes the rumors are true.

I have have been getting e-mail after email asking me if I have bought 
another Delorean.

I actually bought two 

one has 168 miles on it
 
The other about 6800 miles 

So Now I am 3 D

Thanks

Ken


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:49:49 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Vacuum Advance Problem

Clarification? I believe John is telling you to suck on a hose with
your mouth (need a new piece because one to vacuum cut off solenoid is
too short). If the diaphragm has a hole, you'll be able to keep
sucking breath after breath. If it's good, you'll only get one breath
then it'll hold. This same technique works excellent when cap is off
-- you can actually see the rotor button move (spark advance diaphragm
can be good but disconnected from plate. Don't know about PRV, but
older Fords only held on by world's smallest E-clip).

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Mike, What your hearing ( Clicking sound )is most likely the Vacuum
solenoid
> behind the fuel distributor cutting on and off. That tells you the micro
> switch for the idle speed is working. That's what's it supposed to
do. If
> your timing isn't advancing then there could be a broken diaphragm
in the
> vacuum advance solenoid on the side of the ignition distributor.
It's easy
> to test by putting a hose on to it and by sucking the air out you
will feel
> a restriction. If no restriction, then it's bad.
> John Hervey
> www.specialTauto.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MPolzin_at_dml_s... [mailto:MPolzin_at_dml_s...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:35 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Vacuum Advance Problem
> 
> 
> Just to give a bit of background, I have just completed replacing
the engine
> on my one of my Deloreans due to severe engine damage caused by the
previous
> owner. I picked up a used engine with 22K miles on it, and installed
this in
> the car, and an having an issue with the vacuum advance.
> 
> The car starts right up, and runs well when it is cold. When cold it
runs
> normal, idle is normal, and there is no unsual sounds. As soon as
the car
> warms up and the vacuum advance kicks in on the distrubutor to
advance the
> timing, I can hear a clicking sound coming from the distributor. It
sounds
> like metal on metal, and the timing is not being advanced as it
should. If I
> put my hand on the distributor I can feel it rumbling a bit as if it is
> trying to advance the timing but fails, and retrys, etc.
> 
> Anyone have an idea as to what might be causing this? My next step is to
> pull the intake off and pull the distributor assemly out and take a
look at
> it, but I've never done anything with a 'D' distributor so I'm not
sure if
> this is something that I might be able to service or not?
> 
> One thing I did notice when I got the engine was that the rotor was
broken,
> so I'm curious if the distributor could be damaged by dropping
something on
> it (thus the broken rotor and perhaps damaged distributor)?
> 
> Anyone know if you can pick up a replacement Bosch distributor at
Pep Boys
> or another auto store, or Boch part number for it? Thanks
> 
> This car is inches from seeing the road for the first time in three
years,
> so any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Mike Polzin
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 05:06:57 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Front Grill

I use similar technique, but remove paint while still wet (wouldn't
sanding block mess up chrome?). Mount emblem on a small carboard box
so you'll have something to hold other than emblem itself. I prime
with Dap Galv-A-Grip first -- only product I've ever found that'll
stick to galvanized metal, also works great on chrome. While wet, rub
faces clean with low pile cloth barely moist with paint thinner (you
don't want thinner dripping from cloth into painted nooks & crannies).
Repeat with flat black top coat (plain old Rustoleum works for me).
Flat looks 10,000 times better than gloss. Added benefit -- all that
rubbing with paint thinner does excellent job of restoring luster to
chrome.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Hiya
> 
> The easiest thing by far is to prime and spray the whole thing black
and 
> then using a sanding block, rub the paint off the surface of the 
> letters. Works great
> 
> Martin
> 
> Kramer wrote:
> 
> >Hello all,
> >  I was looking around on my Delorean and wanted wanted to ask about 
> >the front grill. The DMC logo is still gray but isn't the border 
> >piece around it black? I knmow the grill is also black. I was just 
> >wondering if anyone know how I could get the black paint back on and 
> >stay. Also the Delorean logo on the hood is the same case. Silver 
> >letters with a now silver border. Anyone know what I can do?
> >       Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >




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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:40:08 EDT
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: DeLorean Motor Company Magazine



Whatever happened to the quarterly magazine from Houston? 

Has anyone received a new edition?

Mike



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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:38:08 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Front Grill

The DMC logo is stainless, isn't it?!

content22207 wrote:

>I use similar technique, but remove paint while still wet (wouldn't
>sanding block mess up chrome?). 
>

>Bill Robertson
>#5939
>





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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:00:04 -0500
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com
Subject: UPDATE Vacuum Advance Problem

The vacuum advance solenoid was fine, so we pulled the whole distributor
assembly and replaced it with the other one I had from the old engine. When
I initially tested the old distributor assembly I thought it was bad,
however I wasn't putting enough vacuum on it to get it to advance.

With the old assmebly on the new engine everything worked great. The
ignition advanced when it was suposed to, so life is good. A couple more
things to inspect and go over and the car and it should be ready to roll.

Thanks for the help!

Mike




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:30:24 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Delorean Midatlantic Spring Social

I am just putting the finishing touches on tomorrow's event and the
weather looks to be WET! (Maybe it will clear in the afternoon?) It is
going on rain or shine and many people have contacted me to say they
will be comming anyway. I have gotten word from the local Police Dept
and they have asked that we keep the cars off the street in front of
the shop. The diner next door has allowed us to use their parking lot
so stay out of the Bank's spots and off the street. Last chance to
call Rob Grady for any parts you need. I will have a cell phone on
starting at 8:00 am for anyone getting lost. 201-320-4651 When you
arrive go directly into the diner parking lot and check in at The Auto
Works. Early birds (before 9:00am can meet in the diner). I look
foward to seeing you all! For those of you that won't get the car wet
wee are expecting GREAT weather Sunday! Meet at the Marriott before
11:00 am, earlier if you are having breakfast with us. Any locals
(Northern NJ, Rockland county) that are interested there is a dinner
tonight nearby so call for directions.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:51:33 -0500
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean Motor Company Magazine

Nope, I haven't received one yet either....

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: <Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:40 AM
Subject: [DML] DeLorean Motor Company Magazine


>
>
> Whatever happened to the quarterly magazine from Houston?
>
> Has anyone received a new edition?
>
> Mike
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:22:38 -0000
From: "gullwingmagazine" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: 3D Ken

Ken

Why dont you bring all 3 Ds to the Houston Open House and you could 
be the first in Concours history to win 1st, 2nd, and 3rd :~}  We'll 
write the story for it! :~}


Ron
Gullwing Magazine



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, kKoncelik_at_dml_a... wrote:

And yes the rumors are true.
I have have been getting e-mail after email asking me if I have 
bought another Delorean. I actually bought two one has 168 miles on it
The other about 6800 miles 
So Now I am 3 D





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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:25:50 -0500
From: "Jordan Hamilton" <DeLorean_at_dml_gbronline.com>
Subject: Re: History's Greatest Blunders and E! Hollywood True Stories

I have the E! True Hollywood Stories version on VHS tape, if anyone is interested in getting a copy please send me and E-mail.

Jordan Hamilton
delorean_at_dml_gbronline.com

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "deloreanz" <deloreanz_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Date:  Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:32:36 -0000

>Does anyone know where to download these episodes?  I basically want 
>any video regarding JZD or the Delorean.  Thanks,
>
>Bryan
>
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 21:37:25 +0000
From: webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk
Subject: Re: Re: Front Grill

I take that back - a friend has a spare and it looks like cast aluminium. My original suggestion stands though.

> The DMC logo is stainless, isn't it?!
> 
> content22207 wrote:
> 
> >I use similar technique, but remove paint while still wet (wouldn't
> >sanding block mess up chrome?).
> >
> 
> >Bill Robertson
> >#5939
> >
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:09:37 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: 3D Ken

I can't trailer them all 
I have one ready and the next one should be ready by then but no trailer 
you volunteering??

KEn


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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:37:44 -0500
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Hose help

Does anyone have a cross reference number for the hose DMC part #108679. This is the
hose that attaches to the coolant over flow header bottle and has a 90 degree bend in it
if i am looking at the manual correctly.

Thanks
Mark
6683




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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:11:27 -0500
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Other DeLorean Question

I know this is not really DeLorean related but i know some of you out there own a BTTF
pinball machine or are looking to own one. My question is what price range are they
going for?

This would be a nice addition to my DeLorean collection.

Please email me off the list.
ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com


Moderators please let this through.

Thanks
Mark
6683




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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:08:45 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Front Grill

Never really paid any attention to my front emblem (been too busy at
other end of the car), so went outside with a left handed flashlight
to introduce myself. Is indeed grained on flat surfaces -- sandpaper
would probably be OK. Beveled edges might be a problem (appear bright
finish), but those could be a challenge any way you paint. Guess I'm
too used to chromed pot metal emblems so common at turn of the decade
(which sometimes look better WITHOUT black mask. My Lincolns have a
couple of those). 

How about letters on late model hoods -- are they grained or bright
finish?

PS: This has nothing to do with emblems, but couple of days ago
checked out X-Rays of my shoulder from ER (didn't know you could do
that -- too cool). Uploaded one to #5939's photo page. Will only leave
it over the weekend to conserve server space, but this is why I
currently wish my D was an automatic. In theory am back to shifting
gears by June...

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, webmaster_at_dml_d... wrote:
> I take that back - a friend has a spare and it looks like cast
aluminium. My original suggestion stands though.
> 
> > The DMC logo is stainless, isn't it?!
> > 
> > content22207 wrote:
> > 
> > >I use similar technique, but remove paint while still wet (wouldn't
> > >sanding block mess up chrome?).
> > >
> > 
> > >Bill Robertson
> > >#5939
> > >
> >




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