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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1486
Date: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:36 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Door locks
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

2. RE: Re: speaker pods (kick panels) at DCFS
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

3. Re: speaker pods
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

4. Fuel Distributor
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

5. Re: Porsche Trans
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

6. Re: Engine Swaps and tranny questions
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

7. RE: Engine Swaps and tranny questions
From: "W.\"Ski\" Lukowski" <vegascop1_at_dml_lvcm.com>

8. re:Engine Swaps and tranny Questions (Buick Version-LONG)
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

9. Re: Engine Swaps and tranny questions
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

10. Re: Re: speaker pods
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Re: AC fan 3 and 4 positions
From: "warren" <kodo_at_dml_tayloredsystems.com>

12. Re: Fuel Distributor
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

13. Re: Re: speaker pods
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

14. ADMIN: Yahoo acting strange
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

15. Kick Panels
From: gonedeaf85_at_dml_aol.com

16. Re: recovering seats Seat 4 Sale
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com

17. DeLorean Car Show Magazine (Time Machines)
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

18. Magazines
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

19. Re: Engine Swaps and tranny questions
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

20. Lower Control Arm failure
From: Gus Schlachter <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>

21. Re: tranny questions (Porsche automatics)
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

22. DeLorean model of Lee Seiler
From: "dreamdmc" <dominique.flandin_at_dml_wanadoo.fr>

23. Re: Porsche tranny questions
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

24. Re: Engine Swaps and tranny questions
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

25. Re: speaker pods
From: "gullwingmagazine" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:48:19 +0100
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Door locks

It's been a while since I last posted a question, so here we go.

Once again I find myself trying to get my central locking working. I have
had my lock module upgraded and I know it works fine.. also put new
solenoids in..

But still all I could do is lock both doors from the drivers side, and
unlock neither from either side.

The last place I hade to check was the connections under the T-panel which I
have done today, there was a little corrosion on the spade terminals but
nothing much, so that is now all cleaned up.

Where did that get me ?

Well the same position as above, however if both the doors are open and you
move the lock rocker in either door the opposite one try's to move in both
lock and unlock mode. once you close the doors back to square one.

Is there something I need to adjust, or am I just going to have to live with
it?

Cheers

Paul
#6463
http://www.paul.salsbury.btinternet.co.uk




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:53:50 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: Re: speaker pods (kick panels) at DCFS

MODERATOR NOTE - link is at http://www.exoticdmc.com/dkickp.jpg  Right click and download if need be.

-------------

Rich W.

I tried the link to view the pods, but there was nothing there.

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA


-----Original Message-----
From: d_rex_2002 [mailto:rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:28 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: speaker pods (kick panels) at DCFS


Jonas and List,

The best looking Delorean kick panels can be purchased from Eric Weber,
through Delorean Custom Fabrication Services and
can be viewed at:  www.ExoticDMC.com   If you can dream it,
chances are DCFS has built it or can build it to your specs.

Best way to reach Eric and Marni is via email, so if you need more
information or photos, send them a quick email request.

ExoticDMC (at) aol.com

Later,
Rich W.



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:18:45 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: speaker pods

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jonas P" <Delorean3543_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> I have heard of people on the list talk about speaker pods (or Q-
> forms as we called them when I was in the car stereo business) that 
> fit in the lower kick panels of the DeLorean. Can anyone tell me 
what 
> vender has these and where I could see pics?
> Jonas 3543

In the "Stereos" folder in the photos section, I have pics of the 
prototype pods that I had fabricated and installed down _at_dml_ Garden 
Grove over 3 years ago. You can imagine the funny look I got when I 
told Don what I wanted. Before that, he'd always had people get 
smaller speakers, and put them in the dashboard. Which is where I put 
the tweeters. When I came to pick the car up, he said that the 
speaker set up had worked out really well. The picture doesn't really 
do the boxes total justice though. When getting in and out of the 
car, people don't notice them, so they don't look quite as out of 
place as they do in the photo I took. I just got that angle so you 
could see the entire assembly.

Since that time, DMC GG now sells preformed pods, which you can see 
here:
http://deloreancarshow.com/dcs-2002/2002-vendors/w-101-0145_IMG.jpg

I haven't talked to anyone who's gotten these installed, so I'm not 
sure of how these new ones are installed (mine are anchored with 
screwes that go thru the carpet, and into the underbody), nor how far 
back they sit. My are right there next to the door sill so the noise 
isn't lost in the footwells. I also don't know if they will allow 
clearance for the trunk release cable. For me, they were right in the 
way, and so the latch handle had to be loosened, the cable slacked a 
little, and the pivot bolt double nutted to allow it to swing out for 
clearance. If you don't double nut the end, the handle can come 
loose, and flop off the pivot bolt. You drive, it flops around, 
hanging on the cable, and will break from the stress. That, and they 
can sometimes compete with road noise thru the floor pan has been the 
only downside to the speakers.

I don't know if Curtis is on the list, or if any one has sat in his 
car with the doors closed, and the sound system on. But he has a 
really nice set of speakers located on the center console, next to 
the floor. I'm really interested in how these sound, and if the 
quality is good. That way, I could install an amp, and have the extra 
speakers there to balance the load of the current speakers, so they 
don't have to work as hard.
http://deloreancarshow.com/dcs-2002/2002-02am/w-100-0037_IMG.jpg

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:32:19 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Fuel Distributor

Among other high-dollar parts that I need for 5335, I need a fuel 
distributor.

I happened across one on E-bay. Came out of a Vovlo 260 GLE. Please 
take a look at http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=2413660291

It doesn't look EXACTLY like mine. Is this just a bad idea? 

Thanks.

Rich
#5335 -MD




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:18:15 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Porsche Trans

Raph,

I put a ZF4HP22E (1989 Porsche) in my Rover V8 DeLorean.  It fit the 
frame, though you have to make custom mounts.

I had a custom adapter plate made by Kennedy Engineering.

The ZF4HP22HL from 1984 is simpler and less expensive to install because 
you don't need a computer to control it.

The Porsche shifter cable is a perfect length. This give you 4 forward 
speeds including overdrive.  1st gear is a little lower than the stock 
ZF3 in the D so you get a better of the line performance.

BOB




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 13:59:01 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Swaps and tranny questions

Louie,

The chevy 350 powered D at the Memphis show did use a stock 
Delorean transmission and the owner did mention that he has
already gone through a few transmission input shafts, which
was the only transmission part damage that he has had.

Darryl Tinnerstet's Supercharged 4.3L Chevy V6 uses a stock
Delorean transmission and a custom "beefed up" input shaft,
all connected up using a custom engine/trans adapter plate.
Darryl has not reported any transmission part damage.

As for my D with an '84 Grand National Buick 3.8L Turbo V6,
the only transmission related damage was the input shaft
that was not seated in the Buick crank bushing and the nut
that backed out through the inspection cover.  Now that the
entire engine, clutch and transmission relationship has been
completely re-engineered to use the most OEM Delorean parts
as possible, all properly aligned and mounted for durability
and both quick and inexpensive replacement, I will let the
list know how this configuration works when its all together
and give it a good "shake down" test run and break-in period.

My High HP D setup should be ready for a test run very soon. 

Later,
Rich W.



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Louie G <louie_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> I've been cruising around DeLorean sites the last few days checking 
out various engine swaps people have done. What I'm looking at 
specifically is what transmissions people use when they do these large 
swaps. I've seen where both Bob Brandys Land Rover v8 D, and Jim 
Strickland's Mazda 3 rotor D both use porsche transmissions. On the 
other hand Rich W.'s Turbo Buick uses a stock D tranny with a custom 
bellhousing. There's a couple of swaps I saw on Tamir's site that I'm 
curious as to what trannies they used- the Chevy 350 powered D which 
was at the Memphis show, and the Ford v8 powered D at the Cleveland 
show. If there's anyone else out there on the list, or knows of 
someone who's done an engine swap, I'd really like to hear how you got 
around the limitations of the stock D transmission.
> 
> Louie Golden
> VIN 10115




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:54:20 -0700
From: "W.\"Ski\" Lukowski" <vegascop1_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: RE: Engine Swaps and tranny questions

Bob,

About the ZF4HP22HL, I presume it's a Porsche Tranny and also that is a
5 speed. Do you know which Porsche did that exactly came out of? Is it a
911, 944 or something else? And how good are those trannys and how much
hp/torgue can they handle?

Thnx,
Ski 4649

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Brandys [mailto:BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:42 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Engine Swaps and tranny questions


Louie,

It is fairly easy to mate a stock Delorean 5 speed to any engine.  that 
is what is done in most cases.

THe stock 5  speed is good to about 300 HP.  As for different 
automatics, the Porsche trans is the  only one I know of that is RWD and

Rear engine.

Get a ZF4HP22HL from a 84.  It is the easiest to install, because of no 
computer.

BOB



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:11:55 -0500
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: re:Engine Swaps and tranny Questions (Buick Version-LONG)

Hi Louie and list -  LONG POST ALERT

As I've just finished rebuilding the transmission in Rich's Buick
Grand-National powered car, I'll make some comments on what we found in the
process and my thoughts at least on this version. This car was (we believe)
assembled several years ago and street-driven for over 10,000 miles.
---This setup uses a custom-cast aluminum bellhousing that replaces the
stock DMC bellhousing and bolts up to the Buick engine. This is the design
formerly sold by Don Steger, and occasionally comes up for auction on eBay.
It has a few shortcomings, IMHO.  The custom bellhousing leaves a lot to be
desired. The casting is relatively thin, the mounting arrangement for the
clutch slave is not good,  it is difficult to install, and has a very poor
design for the clutch pivot. There were two significant design defects in
this installation.
---I compared notes with Darryl on his Supercharged Vortec installation.
Rather than the cast bellhousing, he used a custom-milled adapter/spacer
plate with the original DMC bellhousing. This is a much more elegant
solution than the custom bellhousing, and I'd recommend to anyone doing this
conversion to go that route. Darrell also has designed and installed a much
stronger input shaft (due to breakage) and other than that has not had
issues with the trans.
---On Rich's car, the transmission had failed in a somewhat common DMC
manner, i.e. the large nut that holds the main shaft together unscrewed
itself through the back end of the shift housing. I've seen this failure on
several stock cars so I'm not sure it was related to the high horsepower,
although the vibration caused by the second "Design Defect" may have
contributed to it. The input shaft, while damaged from "design defect #1"
was not broken.
---The original clutch setup used a pressure plate and disc of undetermined
origin. The disc was smaller than the stock DMC (8-3/4") but had metallic
facings. It exhibited normal wear but there were signs of high heat on the
flywheel. We re-machined the GM flywheel to mimic the DMC flywheel's step,
and are using a stock DMC clutch. I realize this may not last long, but we
figure clutch discs are cheaper than transmissions. At some point if you
keep beefing up the stuff that breaks you just get to the next thing in line
(input shaft, gears, axles, CV joints). A next step would be to put a
metallic face on a stock DMC disc. We explored some alternatives, for
example there is a Toyota 21-spline design that **looks** like it should
work, but the splines are a slghtly different shape and will not mate up
with the DMC trans. The input shaft spec on the DMC/Renault trans seems to
be unique, at least in US-market vehicles.
---The big surprise to me was upon opening up the transmission. Other than
the aluminum shavings all over the place from the failure mentioned above,
the trans was in fine shape. No damage to bearings or gear teeth.
---Design Defect #1 - The original "engineer" had used a GM-type bronze
input bearing, that was much too far into the crank to support the trans
input shaft. The failure caused by this was the destruction of the input
shaft in the area of the splines, but it never broke. We fixed this by
sleeving a stock DMC pilot bearing and putting it in the outer recess of the
crank.
---Design Defect #2 - The Buick engine mounts are all the way at the back
(formerly front) of the engine. The DMC trans mounts are at the opposite end
of the transmission. This leaves the entire assembly unsupported in the
center, which puts a tremendous strain on the (thin casting, remember?)
bellhousing. It was cracked, probably due to the vibration from the
unsupported input shaft and just the unsupported wieght. We added some
renforcement gussets to the bellhousing to try and stiffen it up. We'll fix
this by adding some BMW E30 transmission mounts at the sides of the
bellhousing to try and stabilize the center of the engine/trans combination.

The setup we have built, with the stock DMC clutch, will probably not live
long if Rich decides to show off with lots of smoky burnouts. But, driven
with gusto <<after>> clutch engagement, it should do just fine. I have no
fears about the transmission itself, just the clutch. Next improvement will
have to be a custom disc with metallic facings.

At some point we'll put up more of a pictoral history on this thing. I
expect to have it driveable this weekend, and we hope to have it available
at the midwest Tech session coming up. It does still need a lot of clean-up,
it was driven a lot and certainly was no garage queen!

Another note - according to the owner of the 350-Chevy powered car at
Memphis, he also used a stock DMC transmission but was on his third (or so)
input shaft.

Dave Swingle <--another one of "Rich's Wrenches"


>Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 00:03:27 -0700 (PDT)
 >  From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
>Subject: Engine Swaps and tranny questions

>I've been cruising around DeLorean sites the last few days checking out
>various engine swaps people have done. What I'm looking at specifically is
>what transmissions people use when they do these large swaps. I've seen
>where both Bob Brandys Land Rover v8 D, and Jim Strickland's Mazda 3 rotor
D
>both use porsche transmissions. On the other hand Rich W.'s Turbo Buick
uses
>a stock D tranny with a custom bellhousing. There's a couple of swaps I saw
>on Tamir's site that I'm curious as to what trannies they used- the Chevy
>350 powered D which was at the Memphis show, and the Ford v8 powered D at
>the Cleveland show. If there's anyone else out there on the list, or knows
>of someone who's done an engine swap, I'd really like to hear how you got
>around the limitations of the stock D transmission.




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:24:35 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Swaps and tranny questions

Eh?  my transmission doesn't have a computer!  For anyone who is actually
interested, the porsche g50 6-speed transmission has the same width at
the transaxle, same bolt pattern and same bolt size.  I'm using the stock
Delorean axles.  It even has a similar "reverse" switch.  The
transmission is slightly longer though, and mounts and shifts
differently.  

Darryl Tinnerstet owns a supercharged chevy, and I don't think he will
agree that the stock transmission will hold 300hp.  I personally don't
think it will either, considering what it was made to do and what a
porsche transmission costs...

I assume Darryl will speak up to tell you exactly what he modified.  Long
story short, he destroyed at least one transmission part and had it
remade with higher quality materials.  Your best chance at beefing the
stock trans is with upgraded parts (that will fit) from a renault dealer
in Europe.  

Jim


On Thu, 01 May 2003 08:42:06 -0500 Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
writes:
> Louie,
> 
> It is fairly easy to mate a stock Delorean 5 speed to any engine.  
> that 
> is what is done in most cases.
> 
> THe stock 5  speed is good to about 300 HP.  As for different 
> automatics, the Porsche trans is the  only one I know of that is RWD 
> and 
> Rear engine.
> 
> Get a ZF4HP22HL from a 84.  It is the easiest to install, because of 
> no 
> computer.



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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:37:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: speaker pods

I have a set of the DeLorean Motor Center speaker pods
installed in my car (along with a bunch of other sound
systems mods).  They work very well.  They are not in
the way of anything, including the hood release.  And,
they are carpet covered so that they look "stock".

Dick Ryan

--- therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com> wrote:
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jonas P"
> <Delorean3543_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> > I have heard of people on the list talk about
> speaker pods (or Q-
> > forms as we called them when I was in the car
> stereo business) that 
> > fit in the lower kick panels of the DeLorean. Can
> anyone tell me 
> what 
> > vender has these and where I could see pics?
> > Jonas 3543
>



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:44:00 -0500
From: "warren" <kodo_at_dml_tayloredsystems.com>
Subject: Re: AC fan 3 and 4 positions

I'm having a similar problem with fan speeds 3 & 4 and I already changed out
the blower motor.  Also my car dies sometimes when stopped at a light, at
night with my lights on and the AC is actually working.  The AC is fully
charged and the fans continue to cycle often.  Am I experiencing two
separated problems?

Does anyone know the difference between the "Fan Fix Dual 2x2", the "Fan Fix
One" and the "Fan Fix Two" from http://www.specialtauto.com?  Do they all do
the same thing?  If they do, what is the advantage of paying $129 over $55?
Would I still have to replace the circuit breakers and relays if I get one
of these products?

--  Warren
VIN 2140

>You need to order a relay upgrade kit. Included in the kit are 2 new
>circuit breakers, one for the heater fan and one for the radiator fans.
>David Teitelbaum
>vin 10757
>
>Michael, This a sign of the blower motor going out and it's drawing more
>current. If you up the circuit breaker amperage to 40+ amps you will adding
>to the problem of over heating. Replace the blower motor and use the proper
>circuit breaker, I wouldn't go to a higher amperage. Over heating will melt
>wires and turn them brittle.
>John Hervey
>www.specialtauto.com
>
> > After my AC runs for awhile (30-45 min or so) Wen the Fan is on 3 or
> > 4 it cuts off.  I kow the are on two seperate relays, one for 3 and
> > one for 4.  Whatis causing this...is it that they are over heating?
> > Do they need to be replaced?  (Should I swap them with one of the
> > other relays like the high or low beam and try that first?)
> > Michael
> > Vin# 2944







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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:51:12 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Distributor

Me personally, I woudn't trust it. I've had more problems using non-
OEM parts on cars in the past, than if I would have just gotten the 
original things needed. Especailly on the DeLorean, and especially 
some something that relies on precision such as the fuel injection 
system.

Aside from that, take a look at the item here. it's used, you've no 
idea of the history behind it, and it isn't even the same part. I 
wouldn't trust it to work properly on the original car that it was 
pulled off of, let alone the one you're restoring. The only reason 
I'd buy it if I could get a core charge credit for it. If you could 
make a profit on that one, then great. Otherwise, consider it a 
doorstop.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Among other high-dollar parts that I need for 5335, I need a fuel 
> distributor.
> 
> I happened across one on E-bay. Came out of a Vovlo 260 GLE. Please 
> take a look at http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
> ViewItem&item=2413660291
> 
> It doesn't look EXACTLY like mine. Is this just a bad idea? 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Rich
> #5335 -MD




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:54:09 -0400
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: speaker pods

List,

i bought Don's speaker pods this winter and installed them.  They fit fairly well but i had to have a custom stereo shop put some extra padding around the edges of them to keep cancellation from occuring.  now that they are sealed well, they have lots of kick and punch.  the front sound stage suffers terribly in the DeLorean - these pods will help sort things out a LOT by eliminating some of the dead zones below the line of vision.  they are secured with two screws that screw thru the carpet and into the firewall.

i would highly recommend them but would also like to add that a professional shop that works on stuff like this will be able to make sure they are sealed properly on the back sides.

for the record, that is my article in gullwing magazine.  i'd recommend anyone who is considering even a basic upgrade to their car to read the article to get a good idea of what you are in for!

any other questions, please feel free to email me back.
Andy



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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:53:51 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Yahoo acting strange

I'm aware that at the moment Yahoo is sending posts out late, out of 
order, etc, some digests missing, etc. Not much to do but bear with 
it, although the web-interface seems to be running in real-time. 
Usually when this happens it all catches up at once. If you have 
posted something and it does not show up or get rejected within a day, post it 
again. I'm aware of at least one that never showed up here.
--Dave S




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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:57:51 EDT
From: gonedeaf85_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Kick Panels

Sorry to everyone for the confusion. Our website got a little messed up and 
then I lost the ability to edit it. So thankfully I was off of work and I put 
together another one. Please excuse the primitive nature.....at least the 
pictures are available with our phone number.   A link to the photos is under the Resources link.   Thank you so much.  

Take care everyone.

www.exoticdmc.com

Marni



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:28:55 EDT
From: Senatorpack_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Re: recovering seats Seat 4 Sale


For Sale: DeLorean Drivers (left hand side) seat.

No Leather cover. Was Black leather.

Seat Rails & Hardware included.

Make offer. From VIN 3713

Sincerely,
Mike Pack
Washington DC area



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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:53:09 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show Magazine (Time Machines)

If you had a subscription for the second issue of the magazine and have not 
received it yet please e-mail me privately.

I don't trust the post office on this one.

A few of you have E-mailed and if you only paid for one magazine but want the 
subscription please send in the remaining subscription.  

Just for fun 

California by far has the highest number of subscriptions followed by the 
Northwest group, Chicago and then Cleveland and Europe tied.  Surprisingly 
Mississippi has quite a few.

We have made improvements and have added more material so I think you will 
enjoy it.  

There are still Issue 1 magazines available along with the current issue 2 
So if you have been thinking about it, Now is the time.

Thanks for your support 

On a lighter note 
We have located 4 of the time Machines so far and three of the owners say 
they will bring their cars to Pigeon Forge.  No guarantees yet but that is 
promising. 

Think of it 

A class for just time machines.

There are 6 that I know of in the States so if you know of one I don't have 
then please let me know.

So far the ones contacted are in NC, IL, KS and I believe OK, I have not 
located the FL owner yet or the CA owner any help here is appreciated.  
E-mail me privately

Ken

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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:54:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Magazines

Now I have just finished my first reading of the
current Gullwing Magazine and I am impressed.  Not
being a purist, I found the aritcles in here much to
my liking.  And then, there's Toby Peterson - I have
exchanged emails with him, had seen pictures of his
car, but didn't know much about him.  Now I do.

Keep up the good work Ron, Cheryl and Erica.

Dick Ryan

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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:43:12 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Swaps and tranny questions

This past Saturday evening Delorean Midatlantic had Fred Dellis of
Legend Industries speak and give a Q + A on the Delorean. One of the
questions was about horsepower. Fred said that they were able to dial
in all the horsepower that they wanted but because of durability and
warranty issues they were transmission limited. THEY KEPT BREAKING
INPUT SHAFTS. This was on the 5-speeds, in his opinion the automatic
was even worse although he doesn't remember using any. Fred also said
they had planned to get away from the Renault transmission eventually
anyway. Very hard to deal with Renault. The short answer is if you are
doing any kind of large horsepower increase either with the PRV or an
engine swap you have to figure a way to get rid of the Renault
transmission.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_j...>
wrote:
> Eh?  my transmission doesn't have a computer!  For anyone who is
actually
> interested, the porsche g50 6-speed transmission has the same width at
> the transaxle, same bolt pattern and same bolt size.  I'm using the
stock
> Delorean axles.  It even has a similar "reverse" switch.  The
> transmission is slightly longer though, and mounts and shifts
> differently.  
> 
> Darryl Tinnerstet owns a supercharged chevy, and I don't think he will
> agree that the stock transmission will hold 300hp.  I personally don't
e.  
> 





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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 14:13:08 -0500
From: Gus Schlachter <gus_at_dml_austin.rr.com>
Subject: Lower Control Arm failure

Well I finally got my broken car to Houston and yep, you guessed it: the front lower
control arm was mangled, not entirely unlike Knut's.  Since mine is a high-milage car
(120k+) and the damage appears to be metal fatigue, it appears you all have something to
look forward to in your future.    :-)

I opted to let DMC try to repair the arm, rather than sacrifice my arm-and-leg for the
price of a new one (although the option of a newly fabricated stainless part centainly
has it's appeal).  My concern is now with the arm on the opposite side, which ostensibly
has the same age and stress as the one that just failed....


Gus Schlachter
VIN #4695
Austin, TX


P.S.  Anybody from the Austin area going to the DMC Open House?  I appear to need a
ride.




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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 19:13:54 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: tranny questions (Porsche automatics)

Jim and List,

As Bob wrote, "as for different automatics", Bob is correct that
the Porsche Tiptronic automatic transmissions would be easier to
install, as a Delorean trans conversion, than any other source.
The earlier Porsche automatics, like the ZF4HP22HL found in '84
models would be an easier install than the later model ZF4HP22E
found in '89 models (with a computer) that may require much more
work to allow it to shift "automatically".  Either one of these
Porsche automatics will handle a substantial amount of HP.

Since a lot of the miles on the 97 Time Machine are parade miles,
I'm sure Bob does not mind manually shifting his automatic when
it is necessary.  I'm sure when Bob gets some free time, he will
get the trans computer reprogrammed to work well with the Rover V8.

Later,
Rich W.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_j...> 
wrote:
> Eh?  my transmission doesn't have a computer!  For anyone who is 
actually
> interested, the porsche g50 6-speed transmission has the same width 
at
> the transaxle, same bolt pattern and same bolt size.  I'm using the 
stock
> Delorean axles.  It even has a similar "reverse" switch.  The
> transmission is slightly longer though, and mounts and shifts
> differently.  
> 



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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 19:38:08 -0000
From: "dreamdmc" <dominique.flandin_at_dml_wanadoo.fr>
Subject: DeLorean model of Lee Seiler

Hello everyone, this is the very first time I post a message to the 
list, so, I hope everything will be fine. About two year ago I have 
ordered a DeLorean model to Lee Seiler on his web site. Today, he 
took the money and, unfortunately I don't have any model. My friend 
Cheryl Wester told me to post a message because many people are like 
me, in a sad position, the money gone but the car does not come. If 
anyone has any news about Lee Seiler it will be nice to give me some 
news because Lee Seiler does not answer to my e-mail. I think it's 
hopeless. Thank you very much. I would like to apologize if they're 
any mistake, but I am French and my English is not so good some 
times !!!
Sincerely.
Dominique from France.





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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 19:59:32 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: Porsche tranny questions

Ski,

The Porsche ZF4HP22HL and ZF4HP22E are both Tiptronic automatic
4-speed transmissions, with and without computers, respectively.

The Porsche ZF4HP22 series transmissions were used in 911 series
cars, except for some of the 911 C4 all wheel drive cars.

Although most Porsche manual transmissions are designed for use
with stock HP outputs of 450 HP or more, it is probably best not
to push a stock, pre-1994 Porsche Tiptronic transmission beyond
the 300 HP range.

The 993-based, 5-speed Porsche Tiptronic transmission is a whole
other story and can handle well over 400 HP.

Later,
Rich W.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "W.\"Ski\" Lukowski" <vegascop1_at_dml_l...> 
wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> About the ZF4HP22HL, I presume it's a Porsche Tranny and also that 
is a
> 5 speed. Do you know which Porsche did that exactly came out of? Is 
it a
> 911, 944 or something else? And how good are those trannys and how 
much
> hp/torgue can they handle?
> 
> Thnx,
> Ski 4649
> 



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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:10:14 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Swaps and tranny questions

Ski,

The ZF4HP22HL is a 4 speed automatic transmission with overdrive.

THe original delorean transmission was a ZF3.

THe HP 22 is the hydraulic pressure clutch diameter.  This is the 
largest size.  Smaller ones are 18, and 20.  The original delorean was a 
20.

The HL means the valves in the trans are hydraulically controlled These 
were 84? to 88 vintage.

The E means the valves are electronically controlled. These were 89 to 
90 vintage?  They went to a five speed automatic after this which is too 
long for the D.

This transmission was used in the 911 and the Carraras.  (mine came from 
a Carrara.)


This trans is rated over 300 HP and 300 ft lb torque according to the 
people I talked to at ZF.

BOB







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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:06:32 -0000
From: "gullwingmagazine" <gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: speaker pods

Thanks Andy.  The article is very well written and illustrated.  
Readers will definitely gain some good information in the area of 
custom stereo setups.

Ron & Cheryl
Gullwing Magazine

> for the record, that is my article in gullwing magazine.  i'd 
recommend anyone who is considering even a basic upgrade to their car 
to read the article to get a good idea of what you are in for!






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