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Date: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:45 AM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Alternator time for me.
From: Sonny V <sonnyvr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: No Fuel to injectors
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

3. Odd Side Stripe
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: AC quits working when the car stops moving?
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

5. Polyurethane bushings AGAIN
From: <ken_at_dml_odoc.ca>

6. Re: Parts for a sad ebay DMC-12
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

7. Lower Control Arm Cross Ref FOUND??
From: <ken_at_dml_odoc.ca>

8. EBay Poor Old Delorean
From: "henryparticelli" <Stockcar99h_at_dml_aol.com>

9. Grey Seat Covers?
From: <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>

10. Re: Parts for a sad ebay DMC-12
From: "henryparticelli" <Stockcar99h_at_dml_aol.com>

11. DMC wiring corrections
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: Odd Side Stripe
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

13. Re: Parts for a sad ebay DMC-12
From: "supremeadmiralsenn" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>

14. Re: AC quits working when the car stops moving?
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>

15. Re: Odd Side Stripe
From: "James LaLonde" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>

16. Re: Odd Side Stripe
From: "supremeadmiralsenn" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>

17. Re: Lower Control Arm Cross Ref FOUND??
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

18. Re: Alternator time for me.
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

19. RE: Odd Side Stripe
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

20. DeLorean Financing
From: "Darin Wolf" <son_darin_at_dml_hotmail.com>

21. Re: Grey Seat Covers?
From: "Marcel" <mbourgon_at_dml_elp.rr.com>

22. RE: Grey Seat Covers?
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

23. Re: thermostat
From: "Jim Witherspoon" <jwit6_at_dml_cs.com>

24. RE: DeLorean Financing
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jackstiefel_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>

25. RE: Odd Side Stripe
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:00:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sonny V <sonnyvr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Alternator time for me.



It's alternator time for me. I knew that I was on
borrowed time with the Ducellier, and now that summer
is here and I am ready to drive the car I want it
ready, too.

Right off the bat, I am not interested in anything not
offered by one othe regular DeLorean vendors.

I am told that DMCH will continue to offer the rebuilt
Motorolas if supplied with a "good" core. Obviously
that counts me out with my Ducellier. Warren did tell
me that they have a new 105 amp alternator available
OUTRIGHT for $295.

Specialty (or is it SpecialT?) around Dallas has his
alternator, too, but I have heard about a lot of
failures with them. Warranty or no, if it dies and I
am in the middle of nowhere, the passenger (read:
wife) won't be real understanding.

Grady has a 105amp for $360, but no indication of
warranty and didn't find any mention of user
experiences here.

Any firsthand thoughts here people willing to post
publicly for posterity?

Sonny

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:05:27 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: No Fuel to injectors

In a static situation in a pressurized system the pressure is equal in
all parts of the system. Under flow conditions restrictions start to
have importance. For the purposes of the fuel injection system in the
Delorean you can assume that unless you have a kink in a hose or a
plugged valve that the pressure you read is the pressure in that part
of the fuel system. The size of the hose has no effect on the fuel
pressure once the system has filled and pressurized. The fuel pump has
EVERYTHING to do with the pressure in the system as well as the
pressure regulating valves. You are correct that you need a certain
minimum pressure before you get the injectors to open and start
spraying. As long as fuel is getting to the injectors there is only 1
reason they won't spray, not enough presssure. There can be 2 causes
for not enough pressure, the pump can't make enough pressure and a
pressure valve is letting the pressure out, back to the fuel tank.
Messing with the mixture screw will not get the injectors to open at a
lower pressure and you will just loose that critical adjustment. 
 Start in the gas tank and make sure the fuel pump isn't sucking in
any air and the pick-up hose isn't kinked. The fuel system is
hydraulic, not pnuematic so if there is air getting in it won't work.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> You didn't by chance replace the small diameter line from accumulator
> to filter with something larger? That small diameter line is what
> creates high fuel pressure, not the pump itself (is not 75 PSI from
> the tank). Kind of like putting your finger over end of a garden hose.
> 
> See Message #32067. Sounds definitely as though you aren't "cracking"
> the fuel injectors. Need minimum 50-51 PSI to start spraying. If
> you're SURE everything from fuel distributor forward is factory spec,
> may need to adjust fuel mixture screw. You may not have touched, but
> are you sure no one else has? Note fuel mixture is set with car
> running -- NO VACUUM LEAKS! If you've got an injector out, plug its
> port in head -- 1/4" vacuum leak otherwise. Make sure line feeding
> idle speed motor from under fuel distributor is tight -- 3/4" vacuum
leak.
> 
> 




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:28:08 EDT
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Odd Side Stripe

Hi,
       I have never seen this version of DeLorean sport stripe before.  Was 
this ever offered or is it a custom creation?  The DMC logo looks a little 
distorted so maybe someone made it.

<A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31830&item=2416219389">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31830&item=2416219389</A>


Later,

Dave



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:12:56 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: AC quits working when the car stops moving?

Andrew

Have you tested the battery cables? I had a positive cable once that 
actually lost the connection at the mounting post due to some hidden 
corrosion.

Harold McElraft - 3354




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:20:34 -0400
From: <ken_at_dml_odoc.ca>
Subject: Polyurethane bushings AGAIN

If anybody would like to email the cross refs they have found for the
Polyurethane bushings so I can update the CROSS REF list.. please email
me privately.
 
Ken_at_dml_odoc.ca
 
Thanks
Ken
005541
 


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:11:26 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Parts for a sad ebay DMC-12

  CPR is a control pressure regulator, also called the warm-up regulator 
- it works to control the amount of fuel injected dependant on the 
temperature of the engine, and the amount of vacuum. Its commonly 
available from D vendors.

Not meaning to be critical, but if you truly are "clueless about these 
cars" then this probably isn't the car for you... it also has front 
frame extension damage, possibly caused by the failure to install the 
roll-bar mount safety recall, which is absent in the photos I've received.

Martin
#1458
#4426

supremeadmiralsenn wrote:

>I may be bidding on the ebay delorean that has seen so much grief. I 
>am going to see how much it would cost to get the engine runnning and 
>make it appear semi normal. Anybody have a used fuel distributor, set 
>of fuel injectors, breather, front and rear fascias, drivers side 
>window, louver panel (rear deck)? Also,he said it needed CPR. I'm not 
>sure if this was a joke or if there's a part called CPR. (i'm 
>clueless about these cars). If there is such a thing, i need that 
>too. otherwise i'll need to call on my Boy Scout skills and give it 
>mouth-to-exhaust pipe. Thanks for any help y'all can give me.
>
>  
>





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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:21:04 -0400
From: <ken_at_dml_odoc.ca>
Subject: Lower Control Arm Cross Ref FOUND??

Anybody ever notice that MOOG K9145 a Lower control arm and ball joint
for a 79-82 HONDA
 
Looks EXACTLY like the DeLorean lower control arm?
 
Has anybody ever checked this out?
 
It is any cheaper than a NOS DeLorean Control Arm?
 
-Keneth
05541
 


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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:40:16 -0000
From: "henryparticelli" <Stockcar99h_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: EBay Poor Old Delorean

I am the owner of this poor old ambitious project. I have fielded 
over 200 emails on the car. The most common question being...how 
could you let this car get that way?  My answer is you will have to 
ask the fool that let that happen. I love these cars and this being 
one of three I bought for resale is a sad example of the kind of car 
I pride myself in owning. Thanks to all of the memebers that have 
been a huge help to me, Walt, Greg, Erik and others. I sincerely hope 
someone out there wants to restore this car. It does have a clear 
clean title and does need a world of help. Don't kill the messanger, 
it jsut came with the package of DMC's I bought, and it's time to 
move on.




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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:49:25 -0400
From: <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Grey Seat Covers?

I was just curious who sells good quality and reasonably priced replacement seat covers for the D. While my seats are terrible, they can stand to be replaced. They are just bugging the heck out of me with their cracks and what-not...

-Gary







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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:45:04 -0000
From: "henryparticelli" <Stockcar99h_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Parts for a sad ebay DMC-12

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, MPolzin_at_dml_s... wrote:
> I don't have any of the parts you need, however the CPR he is 
referring to
> is the Control Pressure Regulator, also referred to as the warm up
> regulator. If you aren't willing to put a ton of time into a 
project I
> wouldn't suggest buying this car. A buddy of mine just bought a car 
from
> him, and he got to witness this car first hand this past weekend. 
There are
> holes in the quarter panels, and many dents. He didn't think any of 
the
> stainless was undamaged.
> 
> If you are willing to put a ton of effort in, then by all means, go 
for it.
> Yikes!
> 
> Mike Polzin

Actully, I am the owner, and while admitedly the car needs a lot of 
help. I mean A LOT of help. There are no holes in the quarter pannels 
unless you count where the lights and windows go. No holes anywhere 
in the body. Just wanted to make that clear. No harm intended...I 
know Mike. Thanks

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:00:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DMC wiring corrections

Hello all,     

Soon after buying the car I noticed that the top half
of the origional fusebox (top half) had melted (around
the area of fuse #10.   The first owner had moved the
top 9 (123,789,13 14 15) to a new fuse bar.  The work
was good and clean but undocumented.


      It didnt take much brainpower to deduct which
fuse went where, before long I was down to 2
undocumented. here is where I need help

Fuses 1,7,and 13   (all others have been verified)

7:
I think I got seven right, or the car would be dead
(fuel pump and all) The wire diagram shows 20A going
from a Brown wire to Brown wire.  This is the only
such B2B in the fusebox im pretty confident i got this
one.

1: 

Book shows a color code of white to green,  once
again, this matches the only white to green, and with
the fuse removed the engine doesnt start.  Im about
95% confident on this one.

13:

This is the problem.  I have an Automatic and I know
13 is for the trani.  Tech guide provides no color
code for 13.  There are 2 slots left on the fuse rack

       Green<-------->Blue white
      Brown<-------->Green Purple

I have 10amp fuses in both of them now and the car
runs fine.  It seems I have one more fuse than
delorean came with.  Anybody have an idea on this
mystery cables and which one is the one for Auto trani
fuse.

P.S.  Im noticing a little heat damage on the in wire
for Fuse 14#(low beam) looks like it wasnt made for
this ammount of curent, anyone got a fix for that.



thanx


Jordan Rubin
 VIN 11613



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:23:38 -0400
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: Odd Side Stripe

I am not sure how the original sidestripes were made but it seems to be an 
INVERSE of the other one. As if the stripes were stamped out of a sheet of 
striping material and the inverse non-strip parts were used as to do a second 
car with the same stripe set. Or maybe someone made an inverse from an 
original?? I dunno just my $.02

Regards,

Michael
vin# 6067

Quoting Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com:

> Hi,
>        I have never seen this version of DeLorean sport stripe before.  Was 
> this ever offered or is it a custom creation?  The DMC logo looks a little 
> distorted so maybe someone made it.
> 
> <A
> HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=31830&item=2416219389">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI
SAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31830&item=2416219389</A>



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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:26:01 -0000
From: "supremeadmiralsenn" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>
Subject: Re: Parts for a sad ebay DMC-12

yes, I know i shouldn't buy a car like this without having some 
knowledge. But i figure between my dad (who restored a 1972 Chevelle 
Malibu) and this list, I can get theinfo i need to fix it. Yes it 
will be time-consuming, yes it will be expensive. I am prepared to 
put in the time and money to get this car back to at least okay 
conditiona nd maybe a full restore a couple years down the line. 
Thanks for all your input, but I just wanted the people with these 
parts that i need to answer, not opinions. 




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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:36:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>
Subject: Re: AC quits working when the car stops moving?

On Wed, 21 May 2003, Harold McElraft wrote:

> Have you tested the battery cables? I had a positive cable once that
> actually lost the connection at the mounting post due to some hidden
> corrosion.

Pretty much all I can do is verify continuity, which is good on both
cables.  I don't have a piece of test equipment I could use to test any
significant current.  I can test current with the car off, and it seems
perfectly reasonable (about 30 mA).

Besides cleaning up all the grounds, I've cleaned all the major positive
connections (battery, alternator, starter) and verified good continuity
(but again, can't test major current flow).

-andrew
 #4115
 Houston TX



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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:51:26 -0000
From: "James LaLonde" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Re: Odd Side Stripe

That definatly was never offered by the factory or dealers. I can't 
say I love the design, but it's a nice take off the original wide 
stripes. Well done too. Nice idea. It's an inverse of what 
the 'stock' wide accent stripes looked like.

Other than that the car looks real nice, clean and in good shape.

James L 004009




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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:57:41 -0000
From: "supremeadmiralsenn" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>
Subject: Re: Odd Side Stripe

anybody else notice that hood? it had the flap, style lines AND a DMC 
emblem....hmmm...




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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:58:41 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Lower Control Arm Cross Ref FOUND??

Not so fast. There is no spring pocket. Did you actually try to fit 
one up or is this just based on looking at pictures? I also doubt 
that the bushings and ball joints would fit. 

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, <ken_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> Anybody ever notice that MOOG K9145 a Lower control arm and ball 
joint
> for a 79-82 HONDA
>  
> Looks EXACTLY like the DeLorean lower control arm?
>  
> Has anybody ever checked this out?
>  
> It is any cheaper than a NOS DeLorean Control Arm?
>  
> -Keneth
> 05541




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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:08:23 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Alternator time for me.

Sonny

I went through 3 Delco alternators and now I am back on old reliable -
 the Motorola. I am convinced that the single wire hookup that the 
Delco mods use is the problem because of the digital voltage 
regulator that has to be used. It cannot tolerate the swings in 
voltage without another voltage sensor wire similar to the setup that 
is used in the midstates modification on their web site. I believe if 
I use that setup on my PJ Grady Delco it may last. I just got tired 
of messing with it. SpecialT does rebuild the Motorola's and so does 
DMCH. After all the work so far I am inclined to stay with the 
Motorola. The only reason I may put on the Delco is because I have it 
and it is a sunk cost at this point.

Harold McElraft - 3354





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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:11:25 -0500
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Odd Side Stripe

the wheels look dark, too?


-----Original Message-----
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:28 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Odd Side Stripe


Hi,
       I have never seen this version of DeLorean sport stripe before.  Was
this ever offered or is it a custom creation?  The DMC logo looks a little
distorted so maybe someone made it.

<A
HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3183
0&item=2416219389">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&
category=31830&item=2416219389</A>


Later,

Dave



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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:06:00 -0000
From: "Darin Wolf" <son_darin_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: DeLorean Financing

It would seem I have run into a minor position here in the good old 
state of Missouri.  I want to be able to get a loan on a DeLorean 
that just happens to be sitting in a suitable location.  There is 
only one problem.

What I want to know, is why it is that I can get financing on a 
newer vehicle and yet it seems no one here can get loans on one of 
these cars.  It would seem that the bank is rather reluctant to help 
in this situation.  I wonder how many of you out there have run into 
this kind of situation.  What did you have to do to get around to it?

Thanks,



Daemon Wolf.




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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:30:04 -0600
From: "Marcel" <mbourgon_at_dml_elp.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Grey Seat Covers?

Gary
I just got lucky and bought a brand new set in the bags for my car on ebay.
Strickly dumb luck.  DMC.Houston has an ample supply and would love to sell
you some
Marcel 81 auto.
----- Original Message -----
From: <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:49 PM
Subject: [DML] Grey Seat Covers?


> I was just curious who sells good quality and reasonably priced
replacement seat covers for the D. While my seats are terrible, they can
stand to be replaced. They are just bugging the heck out of me with their
cracks and what-not...
>
> -Gary



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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:08:39 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Grey Seat Covers?

Gary, I have seat cover for almost any budget.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com


-----Original Message-----
From: gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net [mailto:gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:49 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Grey Seat Covers?


> I was just curious who sells good quality and reasonably priced replacement
> seat covers for the D. While my seats are terrible, they can stand to be
> replaced. They are just bugging the heck out of me with their cracks and
> what-not...
>
> -Gary






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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:42:07 -0400
From: "Jim Witherspoon" <jwit6_at_dml_cs.com>
Subject: Re: thermostat

1996 Ford Explorer is a 190 degree replacement.
Does not include rubber seal.
Jim
6147
----- Original Message -----
From: "cdmcali" <cdmcali_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 3:26 PM
Subject: [DML] thermostat


> Does anyone know of a thermostat cross reference. that you can buy at
> any auto parts store?



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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:51:44 -0400
From: "Jack Stiefel" <jackstiefel_at_dml_sacketmansion.com>
Subject: RE: DeLorean Financing

Well a new car has value and the loaner holds the title insuring their cut.
A 20+ year old car is just that, 20 years old.  And the value is not readily
figured out considering differing conditions of cars.  I am not sure why the
older cars get overlooked, but I feel it has to do with the risk factor for
the lending company going back to the value.  What I mean is there are
$5,000 D's and $30,000 D's.  The banks just don't want to deal with it.

Not too sure, but that's all I can come up with after 8 hours of mowing here
at home today.  Man am I bushed.

_______________________________
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Live Internet Radio at 104.9 Radio Cape Vincent
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-----Original Message-----
From: Darin Wolf [mailto:son_darin_at_dml_hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:06 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] DeLorean Financing

It would seem I have run into a minor position here in the good old
state of Missouri.  I want to be able to get a loan on a DeLorean
that just happens to be sitting in a suitable location.  There is
only one problem.

What I want to know, is why it is that I can get financing on a
newer vehicle and yet it seems no one here can get loans on one of
these cars.  It would seem that the bank is rather reluctant to help
in this situation.  I wonder how many of you out there have run into
this kind of situation.  What did you have to do to get around to it?

Thanks,



Daemon Wolf.



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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:02:01 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Odd Side Stripe

Yeah...i kinda like that stripe on the car..

Other then that, this car looks to be in really nice shape
(cosmetically) wonder what the final asking price is.

-----Original Message-----
From: Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:Delorean17_at_dml_aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:28 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Odd Side Stripe


Hi,
       I have never seen this version of DeLorean sport stripe before.
Was 
this ever offered or is it a custom creation?  The DMC logo looks a
little 
distorted so maybe someone made it.

<A
HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=
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iewItem&category=31830&item=2416219389</A>


Later,

Dave



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