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Date: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:13 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: re: Odd side stripes
From: AdamRayVaughn_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: Sad DeLorean & new owners
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

3. Re: re: Odd side stripes
From: Colin McDonell <cdmcali_at_dml_yahoo.com>

4. Delorean complex?
From: "checksix3" <jetjock11_at_dml_juno.com>

5. Rear Wheel Bearings
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Re: DeLorean owners in Portlant/Beaverton OR.
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>

7. DeLorean Owners Association 20th Anniversary Celebration
From: "haugrd" <haugrd_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Re: DMC parts
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. DeLo Design, Use, Etc (Re: Delorean complex?)
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

10. Transmission Questions
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com

11. going to see delorean
From: Bryan Carter <deloreanz_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: Delorean complex?
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

13. Pittsburgh Gathering, May 31st (Long)
From: "dom1172" <dom_diaz_at_dml_hotmail.com>

14. Heater Advice
From: "miltdanfoss" <dan.foss_at_dml_lycos.com>

15. Re: Delorean for Sale
From: "Ramin Rouya" <RRouya_at_dml_ATTBI.com>

16. Re: Sad DeLorean & new owners
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>

17. Re: Parts for a sad ebay DMC-12
From: "supremeadmiralsenn" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>

18. Re: DeLo Design, Use, Etc (Re: Delorean complex?)
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

19. Re: Transmission Questions
From: webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk

20. Re: Heater Advice
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

21. clutch fork broken?
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

22. RE: Transmission Questions
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

23. Re: Transmission Questions
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

24. Re: Parts for a sad ebay DMC-12
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

25. RE: Odd Side Stripe
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:49:05 EDT
From: AdamRayVaughn_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: re: Odd side stripes

These were definitely put on by a dealer or the owner only a few months ago.  
Here is a link to this same car that was for sale on ebay in January.
 <A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2401482922&category=31830">eBay Motors item 2401482922 (Ends Feb-02-03 18:32:49 PST ) - DeLorean :</A> 


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 04:25:00 -0000
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Sad DeLorean & new owners

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
I'm still looking for the definition of a
> "parts car" and from what I saw of this sad D it is
> NOT a parts car.  
> Todd
> Vin 5386


Sadly here is a Link of a TRUE parts car Delorean:
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wJzNPvFdLkhKKdKfVPPasPdILAguKuCs-
oebD60_oKtosKk9RylA-xbKY36Kc0Y-iXatQCzFE79TQ-l-9dmE-y6U1ko/totaled%
20delorean.jpg

Cut and paste to your address bar to see the pic and the explanation. 
The car only had appox.500 miles!!


Claude
00570
,





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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 21:48:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Colin McDonell <cdmcali_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: re: Odd side stripes

check out the delorean faq. I have the same stripes on my car. they were a factory option. if you look at the delorean in the wedding singer it has the other option stripe. A thick black one that takes up the bottom portion of the door.   colin 4626

Toscano <toscano2_at_dml_ix.netcom.com> wrote:Interesting thread...I hadn't seent hat auction yet.

> Speaking of unusual striping, I knew a fellow who owned VIN 1650, an '81,
> about six years ago. It had adhesive (?) stripes that the owner swore were
> factory-applied. I place the question mark after the word adhesive because
> honestly they were either very thin decals or actually painted on. Anyhow,
> they appeared to be painted on, and ran just above the wheel wells down the
> natural outer edge of the car, for lack of a better description. A black
> line on top and bottom with a grey in the middle and DMC logo on each door.
>
> Anyone know the story on those? I have never seen another car with them and
> I've been to several shows and own all the DMC books I know of and still
> nothing.



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 02:21:42 -0000
From: "checksix3" <jetjock11_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Delorean complex?


You gotta be kiddin me, the car has simple systems. Compared to a 
modern car it's child play. Fickle is another story but fickle does 
not imply complexity.

How can the car be simple and yet fickle? Thats even simpler: Bad 
design and execution. Or bad maintenance during it's lifetime. 

But overly complex? Not even close. Complexity is in the brain of the 
beholder, it's all a matter of how much you're willing to learn and 
how much effort you put into keeping it from being fickle.


>>The DeLorean is NOTHING at all like a good old simple American
muscle car for the '60s or '70s. They're overly complex and EXTREMELY 
fickle little machines.<<





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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 04:56:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Rear Wheel Bearings

Anybody have any tips on removing and reinstalling the
rear wheel bearings?  Just so you know, I haven't
touched the originals yet, so I don't yet know how
firmly they're planted in the bearing carriers.  Any
tips on techniques, tools used/fabricated would be
appreciated.

Thanks,

=====
Steve

VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean")
www.projectdelorean.com



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 01:16:37 -0000
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean owners in Portlant/Beaverton OR.

Check on the PNDC website at www.pndc.rog. This club is mostly 
Washington state and Oregon. You might be able to get a hold of one 
of the club officers and ask for some details.
Bye
JohnE
10250
PS. While you're at it, become a member!!


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I will be traveling on business in mid June to the
> Portland Oregon area.
> 
> Any car shows or DMC events planned?  
> 
> Thanks




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 03:48:13 -0000
From: "haugrd" <haugrd_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DeLorean Owners Association 20th Anniversary Celebration

The registraton date for the DeLorean Owners Association 20th 
Anniversary Celebration in Long Beach, CA on June 26-29, 2003 has 
been extended until June 13, 3003.

Complete information about this special anniversary celebration for 
DeLorean owners all over the world, updated invitation, and 
registration form plus on-line registration is available at:

http://delorean-owners.org/events/2003anniv.htm

All DeLorean owners and enthusiasts are welcome to join in the 
celebration.

Ray Haug, Internet Director
DeLorean Owners Association




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:16:08 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DMC parts

[MODERATOR NOTE: Anyone who posts directions to their home on the DML does so at their own risk.  Remember, these messages will be archived on the Internet forever.  - Mike Substelny, DML moderator of the week]

Hello, i live in Holland Michigan.  Could I have directions to your 
house?  

Erik


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "ensfield" <ensfield_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> I'm having a garage sale Sunday in Kalamazoo,MI...
> 
>     pair grey DMC seats in good condition, slight cracking on 
driver's side
> 
>   new in box  DMC rear sway bar kit..
> 
>   wiring diagram
> 
> email me for directions if interested: ensfield_at_dml_c...
> 
>                          Thanks,
>                          Bob





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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:13:36 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: DeLo Design, Use, Etc (Re: Delorean complex?)

Louie didn't compare to modern cars -- compared to cars its senior (by
up to 20 years), which ARE more simply engineered (which also makes
them less refined...)

I think a lot of DeLo fickleness comes from cars being driven too
little. Is unnatural for 22 year old cars to have 15K - 20K on
odometer.  As I'm discovering with rehab on my shoulder, if something
isn't exercised regularly it very quickly loses ability to perform as
designed.

DeLo's seem to suffer a viscious cycle: car is driven too little,
which compromises integrity. A compromised component ultimately fails,
which scares owner and causes car to sit undriven even longer,
compromising integrity even further. Cycle repeats itself until car
has reputation of being unreliable etc.

Re: DeLo design -- remember, we're all driving around in glorified
prototypes. Product line was terminated long before maturity. Wonder
isn't that car has design flaws. Wonder is that it isn't riddled with
them! Is amazing DMC was able to come so close to the mark right out
starting gate, especially since this wasn't just a first year model,
but a totally new product.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "checksix3" <jetjock11_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> 
> You gotta be kiddin me, the car has simple systems. Compared to a 
> modern car it's child play. Fickle is another story but fickle does 
> not imply complexity.
> 
> How can the car be simple and yet fickle? Thats even simpler: Bad 
> design and execution. Or bad maintenance during it's lifetime. 
> 
> But overly complex? Not even close. Complexity is in the brain of the 
> beholder, it's all a matter of how much you're willing to learn and 
> how much effort you put into keeping it from being fickle.
> 
> 
> >>The DeLorean is NOTHING at all like a good old simple American
> muscle car for the '60s or '70s. They're overly complex and EXTREMELY 
> fickle little machines.<<




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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:30:06 -0500
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com
Subject: Transmission Questions

Greetings again, 
After a complete engine rebuild, I finally have the engine running properly on VIN#4761. The engine now runs beautifully, so we decided to take it out of the garage and take it out for a spin. The engine performed flawlessly, however the transmission isn't shifting correctly, so once again I am going to have to park the car until I can get this worked out. The previous owner had warped the heads on the car, and when parked the transmission was supposidly just fine. The tranmission fluid was drained and replaced within the last couple of months. Here is what happened...

I took it out about a week ago for the first time and I noticed right away that the tranny seemed to be jumping around inbetween 1st and 2nd at low speeds (around 25 - 35 mph). I didn't want to damage the transmission so after about 1/2 mile I turned around and headed back to the shop. On the way back the erratic shifting cleared up and I drove it for over an hour with no issues at all.

We finished up some final work on the car this week (new alternator, belts, installed a set of stainless fuel lines, and did some maintenance on the steering rack) and I took it out again last night. Initially all seemed great, no problems shifting through first, second, or third and I brought the car up to 55mph. I then brought it up to 65, and all was good and about five minutes into it the car started shifting between 2nd and 3rd erratically this time. 

I tried it again this morning and the same thing...If I shift the car manually (start in 1st, shift to 2nd, then 3rd) it will stay in 1st and 2nd fine, but once I go into third/Drive it starts shifting back and forth between second and third. It seems when I left off the accelerator it will tend to do the odd shifting, but it will do it occasionally when just driving along as well.

Very disappointing, I have hundreds of hours into the car and have spent almost $10K to restore and put the car back on the road. I'm good with engines, but drive train is another thing. Can anyone give me some guidance on how to trouble shoot this, or where to start? I know the shift computer on these cars are notorious for having problems, is there a way to determine if that is the problem or if it is something internal?

Thanks,
Mike Polzin
VIN#4761

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:39:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bryan Carter <deloreanz_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: going to see delorean

Thanks for the offer, but a couple of guys said they
could go this weekend (sunday or monday).  But i'll be
sure to let you know if they can't and i decide to go
another weekend.  Thanks again,


Bryan

--- Kevin Abato <delorean_at_dml_abato.net> wrote:
> Ill go, but I am going away for the holiday weekend
> wont be back till
> tuesday
> 
> Kevin Abato
> NJ
> 9973-229-0760 (Cell)
> 



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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:54:06 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean complex?

The Delorean is not a complex car per se, it is just different. This
reminded me of a saying someone once said, "Any technology that you
don't understand is indistiguishable from MAGIC". If the car is
complex to you either you need to study it more or have someone who is
familiar with it do the work on it for you. I wouldn't recomend
learning auto mechanics on a Delorean, there are simpler cars to begin
on but in comparison to a "modern" car with computers, automated
lighting,  safety systems like air bags and ABS brakes, multipexed
circuits, cell phones, GPS, and entertainment systems, the Delorean
looks archaic and dated. I agree the car has some quirks and weak
points but by now they are well known and completely fixable.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "checksix3" <jetjock11_at_dml_j...> wrote:
> 
> You gotta be kiddin me, the car has simple systems. Compared to a 
> modern car it's child play. Fickle is another story but fickle does 
> not imply complexity.
> 
> How can the car be simple and yet fickle? Thats even simpler: Bad 
> design and execution. Or bad maintenance during it's lifetime. 
> 
> But overly complex? Not even close. Complexity is in the brain of the 
> beholder, it's all a matter of how much you're willing to learn and 
> how much effort you put into keeping it from being fickle.
> 
> 
> >>The DeLorean is NOTHING at all like a good old simple American
> muscle car for the '60s or '70s. They're overly complex and EXTREMELY 
> fickle little machines.<<




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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:01:00 -0000
From: "dom1172" <dom_diaz_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Pittsburgh Gathering, May 31st (Long)

Hey all,

     I've only spoken to a few of you and I am new to the whole 'D' 
experience but this site has been incredibly informative in helping 
me bring my DeLorean back from museum-death condition (fuel issues). 
I'm fortunate to have some pretty sharp people here locally that have 
also helped out immensely. Anyway, I had scheduled some assistance 
from one of those sharp folks (Dan P) when I decided, 'why not turn 
it into a tech session/gathering'? Well you can't have a tech session 
without some techies so I enlisted the help of Dan and Dave Stragand 
(most noticeably of www.projectvixen.com fame), both of these guys 
have been a ton of help to me personally with the revival. Here's the 
deal, I will be doing several projects that day myself (with Dan):

Change rear springs
Change Accumulator, rear hose and clamp
Change TABs
Change Angle Drive
Adjust Passenger side torsion bar
Check Emissions for adjusting lean/rich mixture

If you're nearby you're welcome to stop by just to swap information, 
watch, or if you need some help on a project you were working on. 
Dave S. will be bringing the equipent to do torsion bar adjustments 
and possibly some equipment for emissions testing. Depending on the 
amount of people, I will providing basic food and beverages. 
Significant others are welcome and encouraged. Please email me off-
list to let me know if you would like to attend, where you are coming 
from, and I will send you directions. Also, it might be a good idea 
to know what project you would like help so that we can see if it's 
feasible and if we have the tools. Look forward to meeting anyone 
that can attend.

Dom




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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:36:29 -0000
From: "miltdanfoss" <dan.foss_at_dml_lycos.com>
Subject: Heater Advice

I have a question I'm hoping can be answered or at least you all can 
steer me in the right direction.

My A/C is out, which may not end up being such a bad thing, since it 
has helped me notice that with the fan on, heat setting to cold, and 
selector in any position, I get cold air out of the vents, but heat 
from under the dash. It is not blowing that I can feel, there is just 
heat emanating from there. It makes the D unbearable to drive without 
A/C here in central Florida. 

However, when I turn off the fan, the temperature with the windows 
open is bearable. Only with fan on does it get real hot in the car.

A friend suggested that my "hot water valve," might not be working. 
This is the valve in the heater core line, with the odd looking 
vacuum operated valve just forward of the engine on the passenger 
side.

Any body have any dealings with this or can offer me advice on how to 
test? I figure I'll need to pull it out, which is a bummer since I 
just got it all bled after I installed my own version of the auto 
bleed (with clear tubing).

Thanks,
Dan in Cocoa (3932)




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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:58:08 -0700
From: "Ramin Rouya" <RRouya_at_dml_ATTBI.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean for Sale

Is this car still for sale?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Willie Mack" <wmack_at_dml_vt.edu>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:49 PM
Subject: [DML] Delorean for Sale


>
> I think I have to sell my Delorean in order to pay for my wedding that is
in March.  So let me put this out there and see if there are any takers.
> She is a 1981 with grey interior VIN 5043 with 108000 miles.  I have tried
my best to give her a good home.  I have replaced numerous parts on her.
You can check out my website http://filebox.vt.edu/users/wmack to see what I
have done to her.  I currently attend school at Virginia Tech, so if anyone
wants to come by and see her, please email me.  I am asking $12000 right
now.
>
> Thanks
>    Willie Mack
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:13:56 -0000
From: "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: Sad DeLorean & new owners

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "fivetwofive" <CBL302_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_y...> 
> wrote:
> I'm still looking for the definition of a
> > "parts car" and from what I saw of this sad D it is
> > NOT a parts car.  
> > Todd
> > Vin 5386
> 
> 
> Sadly here is a Link of a TRUE parts car Delorean:
> http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wJzNPvFdLkhKKdKfVPPasPdILAguKuCs-
> oebD60_oKtosKk9RylA-xbKY36Kc0Y-iXatQCzFE79TQ-l-9dmE-y6U1ko/totaled%
> 20delorean.jpg
> 
> Cut and paste to your address bar to see the pic and the 
explanation. 
> The car only had appox.500 miles!!


D*mn Yahoo and their advertisemrnts!! Here is a better  link to  that 
pic.Click on this JPG.below.
totaled delorean.jpg If not look under files(under this name) on the 
DMCNEWS mailing list.


 Claude
 00570





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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:02:56 -0000
From: "supremeadmiralsenn" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>
Subject: Re: Parts for a sad ebay DMC-12

Yahoo! I got answers....
Thanks guys. I will definitely follow up on those two. And I think I 
might actually get this one...#4889 will live on! 
I forgot to mention that this car was actually not used as a parts 
car by the previous owner, it was, ironcally, a project car....
If the price stays below $2500, I'll make it...i hope.




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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:07:56 -0500
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: DeLo Design, Use, Etc (Re: Delorean complex?)

>Is amazing DMC was able to come so close to the mark >right out
> starting gate, especially since this wasn't just a first year >model,
> but a totally new product.
>
> Bill Robertson
> #5939

One thing to remember about the production of the DeLorean is that it
required no paint. A modern paint shop in a high production auto plant at
that time probably cost over $100 million not even thinking about the added complications and quality issues. Also, the plastic underbody was
fitted with the stainless panels without expensive alignment tooling. (even
if we love the car we've got to admit that this fact shows on most cars). It
was a quick and less complicated start up, at least compaired to modern high capacity assembly plants. Some of this was necessitated because DeLorean had relied on Lotus to develop many of the assembly procedures and components. Lotus had a vast engineering experiance but no high production back ground. With investors fidgeting in the wings and Lotus moving at a too slow pace, things got pushed ahead before a more sophisticated assembly process could be implimented. With all that in mind, yes,it is amazing they came as close to the mark as they did.

Bruce Benson





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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:19:09 +0000
From: webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk
Subject: Re: Transmission Questions

I would bet it's the governor as you say it shifts manually okay

Martin
#1458
#4426
------

I know the shift computer on these cars are notorious for having problems, is there a way to determine if that is the problem or if it is something internal?




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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:49:09 -0000
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Heater Advice

Dan - I don't have any latent knowledge regarding the valve that you 
are asking about, but I did feel it necessary to comment on the last 
bit of information that you shared.  When I first developed the 
self-bleeder concept for PNDC back in the spring of 1994, I used clear 
vinyl tubing so that I could actually see the bubbles being moved 
through the system.  Due to the high pressures (15 PSI) and the high 
temperatures (195 degrees F) the tubing that I used finally failed, 
leaving me beside the freeway with green blood everywhere.  If you use 
these types of tubing, you must ensure that it is rated for the 
environment that it will be asked to operate in.  I used the best 
fiber reinforced clear tubing that I could find, and it was still not 
nearly adequate.  If you've found something that will work, I would be 
interested in learning about it ... it is actually very satisfying to 
see the bubbles flow.  Just a thought ...

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "miltdanfoss" <dan.foss_at_dml_l...> wrote:
> since I just got it all bled after I installed my own version of the 
> auto bleed (with clear tubing).





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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:13:17 -0500
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: clutch fork broken?

I ordered a new throw out bearing for a DeLorean that I'm working on and
noticed that it slides on the clutch fork.  On one side of the bearing,
there is a small bracket that slides onto the clutch fork, however, on the
other side, there is nothing.   I compared both the stock bearing and the
new one (from PJ Grady) and they both look the same so I'm guessing
something is just missing off the clutch fork or its broken?  I looked at
the parts catalog but didn't notice anything special in the diagram for the
clutch fork.  Am I missing something?

Here is a pic of the bearing:
http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c5/at88mph//bearing.jpg

Here is a pic of the fork:
http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c5/at88mph//clutchfork.jpg


Here is a pic of bearing on the fork:
http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c5/at88mph//forknbearing.jpg

Thanks for any help!




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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:17:20 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Transmission Questions

Mike, The only thing I know to do is send it to me for a components up date.
John Hervey


-----Original Message-----
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com [mailto:MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:30 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Transmission Questions


> Greetings again,
> After a complete engine rebuild, I finally have the engine running properly
> on VIN#4761. The engine now runs beautifully, so we decided to take it out
> of the garage and take it out for a spin. The engine performed flawlessly,
> however the transmission isn't shifting correctly, so once again I am going
> to have to park the car until I can get this worked out. The previous owner
> had warped the heads on the car, and when parked the transmission was
> supposidly just fine. The tranmission fluid was drained and replaced within
> the last couple of months. Here is what happened...
>

[moderator snip]



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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:14:00 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Transmission Questions

Mike

It sounds like gears 1 and 2 are ok based on your note. Take the 
transmission fuse out (13) and this will cause the transmission to 
lock itself into 3rd gear. The transcomputer will be inoperative. It 
will be a little slow to take off but you will know if 3rd gear is 
ok. If it is then you can be 99 percent sure the transcomputer has 
done it thing to fail.

Replace it or, you might call John Hervey. When I talked to him at 
the DMCH open house he told me he had rebuilt one which was now 
working fine. He had located replacements of the pieces that usually 
go bad. He might be able to help you out or repair it for you. Also, 
since it sounds like you are pretty handy in the fix-it department, 
you might want to check out the articles on the transcomputer repair 
on this web site.

Harold McElraft - 3354




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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:51:05 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Parts for a sad ebay DMC-12

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "supremeadmiralsenn" <
StadnickAd_at_dml_u...> wrote:
> You know, I could have sworn that i specifically said i didn't want 
> any more advice, just people who have the parts i'll need to fix this 
> car. Yes, I said i was not very knowledgable about De Loreans, but i 
> didn't say i was stupid. I am not expecting this to be a fast easy 
> project. I know it will be time-consuming and expensive. For those 
> who do not have thie information that I do, the car is unfinished 
> because the previous owner has passed away. The car has a clean 
> title. It has been stored in a barn for years until its current owner 
> got it, and he has kept it under a waterproof car cover. That said, I 
> once again ask for anybody with the parts I will need to post here or 
> contact me off-list. I don't mean to be rude, but this is the 3rd or 
> 4th time i've said this. Thanks again..i guess..

A long running debate that has come up here on the DML is "Based upon 
what repairs needed, at what point does a project car become a parts car?" 
So by asking that one question, the car that you want ended up becoming a 
focal point for the debate, and the original question itself was overlooked.

Naturally, you'll need to really inspect the car first hand to see what parts are 
missing, damaged, and salvagable. But off hand, you're probably looking at 
an entire new fuel system. From the Pick-Screen in the fuel tank, all the way 
back to the injectors themselves. And of course the typical new battery, 
cleaning electrical connections, cleaning out of the gas tank, and the metal 
fuel lines. The good news is that prices on critical components such as the 
Control Pressure Regulator (CPR), and the Fuel Distributor have fallen WAY 
down since even I purchased my car 3 years ago. DMCH wants $500 for the 
Fuel Distributor for example, and 3 years ago that part was over $1K! The bad 
news is that you may not have the core parts to exchange them. The CPR for 
example is a $125 core charge last time I checked, so that's extra $ you'll 
have to pay out. Unless you can obtain a core first, or can locate the part. The 
big ticket items like that are easy, it's just all those damn little things that rack 
the price up quickly such as the injectors (which *might* be able to be reused 
if they could be cleaned), and those fuel hoses connecting all of the 
components _at_dml_ around $40 each.

Like I say, some parts might be able to be reused, so your very well may be 
able to save some cash/effort here and there. Otherwise, I'd reccomend to just 
run a couple of pressure tests on both the cooling system, and the engine 
cylinders to check those out. Aside from that, just use reguar procedures of 
lubing the cylinders, and turing the engine a few times by hand to bring it back 
to life, and the engine should run. You might also be able to get some of the 
components used from others here online that have them of course. Before I'd 
take it out on the road though, I'd blow out the cooling system, and spring for a 
brand new set of rubber hoses. So chalk up another $200 there. Bolt back on 
the body panels, and reassemble what you can, and then the car should be 
able to move under it's own power, relatively safely.

Otherwise, you'll just have to wait and see if any unexpected "surprises" 
appear that you'll need to fix.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:08:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew Prentis <aprentis_at_dml_rocketmail.com>
Subject: RE: Odd Side Stripe

The early 1981 cars such as this one came from the
factory with dark gray wheels and not silver like the
later cars most of us have.

Andrew
VIN 2883
Sydney,Aus.
--- "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com> wrote:
> the wheels look dark, too?



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