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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1520
Date: Monday, May 26, 2003 11:25 AM

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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: clutch fork broken?
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

2. Re: Anybody up for a beat up dmc?
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

3. Re: Door Lock solenoid RH_ Have some!!
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>

4. Re: Re: Project Deloreans,
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

5. Re: Anybody up for a beat up dmc?
From: "supremeadmiralsenn" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>

6. Re: Heater Advice: Part Location
From: "bepositive2000" <BePositive2000_at_dml_Yahoo.com>

7. Re: Anybody up for a beat up dmc?
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

8. Vacuum leak solved...
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

9. Re: Delorean for Sale, (different thread)
From: "D F" <funkstuf_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. Re: Transmission Questions
From: "Adam" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

11. Re: Delorean World or DW as it is now called
From: "foxmul2001" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

12. Concours Winning Cars (was: DeLorean for Sale, different thread)
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 00:10:53 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: clutch fork broken?

I would see no reason to tighten it up. As long as you use the teflon sleved
throw out bearing the friction of it moving along the clutch is minimal. It
doesn't move that far any way.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: at88mph [mailto:at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:20 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] clutch fork broken?


> John,
> 
> Thanks alot for those pics!  That really helped.  We haven't installed the
> bearing/fork yet, but I'm willing to bet that when we do, when the
> fork/bearing slide back, the one side that doesn't have anything holding it
> to the fork will be out or in a bind so to speak as it fits loose on the
> fork.  Should I take a pair of pliers and try to close the bearing brackets
> slightly so it'll fit more snug on the fork or is it supposed to be loose
> like that?
> 
> Thanks again for the info and help!



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 05:58:15 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Anybody up for a beat up dmc?

Rare is a person who can take on an unroadable project car without
eventually losing interest. Don't feel bad, I too am NOT such a
person. #5939 is definitely a fixer upper (my goal is first place in
the "You've Got To Be Kidding" category at Pigeon Forge), but it does
run. That is what keeps me in the race. If I couldn't drive it, and
yes even show it off (sagging headliners and all), it would surely end
up on eBay alongside that other fine specimen.

Roadable project cars are out there, perhaps not this week but quite
possibly the next. Was unhurriedly surfing online sources when my
steed popped up on a short eBay auction at a price too good to miss
(DMCNEWS website was my preferred marketplace). Had it not, would
probably have ended up with the car that sold in Charlotte late 2002
(THAT seemed to be a good deal, in my own backyard). Of course there
was that other attractive Pennsylvania car earlier in the fall...

DeLoreans are uncommon, but they aren't rare. That's one of their
beauties -- they put automotive history within grasp of us little
people. Are several DML'ers who have cycled through 2 or 3 (this
concept of SELLING a car is bit hard for me to grasp). If DeLo's were
truly difficult to obtain they'd all be locked away like precious
jewels. Of course you'll never find one without looking. But don't
feel like time's running out, or like someone else will snap up the
last one. 

Related programming note: any DML'ers who haven't read Dave Stragand's
website need to set aside an evening to do so. Will take at least two
hours to read it all, but is definitely worth the time. Way funnier
than anything on sitcom TV. I've even recommended to non-DeLo'ers.

Bill Robertson
#5939
    
>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "supremeadmiralsenn"
<StadnickAd_at_dml_u...> wrote:
> My dad's being a jerk. He led me to believe I could buy this car, and 
> now he says he won't let me. He won't say WHY....but that's typical 
> of him. And now I've wasted all you guys's time and effort in looking 
> for parts, and I want to publicly apologize. If anybody wants to bid 
> on this car, I sure won't be. 
> 
> Dejectedly, angrily yours,
> 
> Adam Stadnick
> DMC owner...someday




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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 06:49:22 -0000
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>
Subject: Re: Door Lock solenoid RH_ Have some!!

I have two fully functional solenoids  that I can part with right 
now. I switched to actuators instead so that's why I have them on 
hand. I just did the mod on the door locks so you can buy them from 
me, one or both.
Let me know


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, klaus.steiner_at_dml_t... wrote:
> I need a Door Loock Solenoid RH, does anyone have a spare or a 
used one ?
> 
> Please answer me privatly to klaus.steiner(at)t-online.de
> 
> Klaus
> #05980
> Germany




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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:56:51 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Project Deloreans,

When I retire in about 10 years,

I will be looking for a project Delorean,  the only thing that I would 
want in good shape will be the stainless. Hood can have a hole in the 
center of it. Though.

I won't need:

Engine
Transmission,
Door glass Windows, or lock solenoids,
Rear Loover, or deck
Headlights,
rear deck interior components

Hopefully, someone will still have a project delorean around by then!

BOB




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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 16:57:21 -0000
From: "supremeadmiralsenn" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net>
Subject: Re: Anybody up for a beat up dmc?

See, I could have sold PARTS of this car to finance a partial fixup. 
But he's led me on so far that I was picking out a place for storing 
it! I'm just really upset, I honestly thought he would have let me 
get it and that I could have fixed it up a little over time. Oh 
well.....




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:16:52 -0000
From: "bepositive2000" <BePositive2000_at_dml_Yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Heater Advice: Part Location

Dan,

You should be able to find a replacement heater valve at about any
auto parts store.  I found an exact match at O'Reilly's by taking my
old valve I doing a matcy-up for mountings and vaccum motion.

There are two separate motions:  Vaccum closes & vaccuum opens.  Be
sure you get the right one.

Woody




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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 17:29:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody up for a beat up dmc?

Don't get discouraged Adam. I know what it's like. I'd wanted a DeLorean since I was a small child. But it took me being very active in the DeLorean community for 2 years before my parents finally got the idea that my desire for a DeLorean wasn't going to ever go away... and that I had done all necessary homework to own one. I met a DeLorean owner when I was 17, and he pointed me to the DML. It took two years of involvement in the list, going to numerous DeLorean gatherings, meeting countless owners, and going to look at many cars before my parents finally caved. In the end I'm very glad they made me wait. There were a couple of cars I wanted BAD when I was first started out... I guess mainly I wanted them because they were in my price range at the time. I look back now and am so thankful my parents made me hold out... because I looked at some seriously skanky DeLoreans... LOL. I ended up buying the type of DeLorean I wanted in the end (grey interior, 5-speed), and the car turned out to be the previous owners only car (it was his daily driver). The car came with receipts from the past two years totalling more than I even bought the car for... which was $12,000. So in the end waiting was a good thing. I not only got the type of car I wanted cosmetically, but I got an extremely good running driver as well. So think of waiting as a blessing in disguise. Don't give up... amass knowledge of the car as much as possible... and keep badgering Dad. At some point he'll see how knowledgable you are about the car, and he might just decide you're ready to own one! Good luck on your path to ownership, and let us list members know if there's anything we can do to aid you.

Louie Golden
VIN 10115 Sanford, NC

--- "supremeadmiralsenn" <StadnickAd_at_dml_usa.irene.net> wrote:
>My dad's being a jerk. He led me to believe I could buy this car, and 
>now he says he won't let me.
>Adam Stadnick
>DMC owner...someday

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 02:39:21 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Vacuum leak solved...

Don't hold my feet to the fire, but I think my neverending vacuum leak
may FINALLY be solved. Both valve covers have their final torque, and
the car is idling without wavering! Driver's side did not have a
noticeable gap between timing chain cover and head mating surface, but
was sucking air anyway. Passenger side definitely did. I'm just glad
timing chain cover itself is tight (REALLY didn't want to remove back
end of car).

If you're chasing a vacuum leak as I was, check every surface, not
just intake and upper air assembly.

Related note: removed A/C compressor altogether for driver's side
valve cover. Replaced O rings this time (58 cents at the hardware
store -- what WAS I thinking). Vacuumed system and recharged this
afternoon. Holding steady _at_dml_ 35 PSI (low side) and 52 degrees.
Hopefully will drop as passenger compartment cools down. Since we're
entering A/C season, my R134 methods are written up on DMCNEWS website
for like minded. Generate a lot of controversy among R12 purists, but
the way I figure: if your system isn't putting out now, what do you
have to lose? Only change is freon itself (all factory components
re-used). If you don't like R134 performance, bleed it back out and go
back to R12. Difference is about $120 (to R134's benefit)...

Bill Robertson
#5939







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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 04:40:06 +0000
From: "D F" <funkstuf_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean for Sale, (different thread)

Good Luck! you obviously have not been following the current market for 
Deloreans.


>From: "trevor Johson" <dmcboy1der_at_dml_hotpop.com>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [DML] Delorean for Sale, (different thread)
>Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:21:55 -0700
>
>We are thinking about selling one of our DeLoreans, and we thought we might
>post here to see if there would be any interest.
>
>1- 1981 vin #4055, Black interior, manual, silver wheels, power ant. 
>grooved
>hood, 10,000 original miles, first place concours winner, silver racing
>stripe. asking $35,000
>
>2- 1981 vin # 6974, grey interior, manual, silver wheels, grooved hood,
>60,000 miles, silver racing stripe. asking $30,000
>
>Both cars have aftermarket stereos professionally installed, with very
>little impact on the interior. Both are have been taken care of very well,
>and are 100% reliable daily drivers. If there are any questions, please
>respond off list to dmcboy1der_at_dml_hotpop.com.
>
>-the Johnson Family
>
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:41:46 -0000
From: "Adam" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Transmission Questions

I removed and repaired my old shift computer about a year ago. The 
two large caps inside were sure enough broken. I replaced them with 
50V heavy duty tantalum caps. The computer was much easier to reomve 
and reinstall than I had thought. it took about 2 hours being 
carefull and all.

Adam Price
16683


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, MPolzin_at_dml_s... wrote:
> Greetings again, 
> After a complete engine rebuild, I finally have the engine running 
properly on VIN#4761. The engine now runs beautifully, so we decided 
to take it out of the garage and take it out for a spin. The engine 
performed flawlessly, however the transmission isn't shifting 
correctly, so once again I am going to have to park the car until I 
can get this worked out. The previous owner had warped the heads on 
the car, and when parked the transmission was supposidly just fine. 
The tranmission fluid was drained and replaced within the last couple 
of months. Here is what happened...
> 
> I took it out about a week ago for the first time and I noticed 
right away that the tranny seemed to be jumping around inbetween 1st 
and 2nd at low speeds (around 25 - 35 mph). I didn't want to damage 
the transmission so after about 1/2 mile I turned around and headed 
back to the shop. On the way back the erratic shifting cleared up and 
I drove it for over an hour with no issues at all.
> 
> We finished up some final work on the car this week (new 
alternator, belts, installed a set of stainless fuel lines, and did 
some maintenance on the steering rack) and I took it out again last 
night. Initially all seemed great, no problems shifting through 
first, second, or third and I brought the car up to 55mph. I then 
brought it up to 65, and all was good and about five minutes into it 
the car started shifting between 2nd and 3rd erratically this time. 
> 
> I tried it again this morning and the same thing...If I shift the 
car manually (start in 1st, shift to 2nd, then 3rd) it will stay in 
1st and 2nd fine, but once I go into third/Drive it starts shifting 
back and forth between second and third. It seems when I left off the 
accelerator it will tend to do the odd shifting, but it will do it 
occasionally when just driving along as well.
> 
> Very disappointing, I have hundreds of hours into the car and have 
spent almost $10K to restore and put the car back on the road. I'm 
good with engines, but drive train is another thing. Can anyone give 
me some guidance on how to trouble shoot this, or where to start? I 
know the shift computer on these cars are notorious for having 
problems, is there a way to determine if that is the problem or if it 
is something internal?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike Polzin
> VIN#4761
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:45:16 -0000
From: "foxmul2001" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean World or DW as it is now called

Is anyone else severely dissappointed with their Delorean World 
Magazine?  I think someone earlier mentioned that their wife 
commented on how it looked like a travel magazine.  It does.  It is 
not worth it for me. I just got Deloreans magazine and I was 
pleased.  It is inexpensive and comprehensive. I found nothing of 
use in DW magazine, not even the handy Montreal city tour planning 
card. Yet in Deloreans magazine, I needed to replace my accumulator, 
my fuel sender, and most important, my steering column bushing.  
These subjects just happened to be covered in this issue with 
excellent pictures and step by step instructions.  I also love new 
products that are coming out and they always cover this, even 
reporting on Pearce designs showing off their new stainless steel 
frame.  I also found out how low priced the new gas charged door 
lift pistons are.  They actually came down in price.  I want to know 
if anyone else shares the same feelings as I.  I will be giving my 
issue of DW to a travel agency, maybe they are looking for things to 
do in Montreal. Just my opinion.

Joseph M.
vin 2850






--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> My second issue of DW arrived yesterday.
> 
> I was disappointed.
> 
> Dick Ryan
> VIN 16867
> 
> [long duplicate quote snipped by moderator]




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 08:17:01 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Concours Winning Cars (was: DeLorean for Sale, different thread)

I think it should be pointed out, for the benefit of the Johnson family,
prospective buyers of their cars and past and future Millennium concours
competitors that VIN #4055 has never been a competitor or first place winner
in a Millennium Concours. I do believe that the last DOA concours, which all
will agree was a much less detailed affair, was held at the Los Angeles Expo
in 1998.

I don't want to sound as if I am denigrating the Johnson's car - I have
never seen it but I am sure that it's a nice car. But the difference between
a nice car (even a DOA concours winner) and a Millennium concours winner are
light years apart, as I believe all the judges, competitors and witnesses to
any Millennium event will attest.

In the next week or so, a web site (http://www.millenniumconcours.com) will
be up and will list all the previous winners and locations, as well as have
details about past and future event, judging criteria for prospective
competitors, information for those considering judging and more.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company (Texas)


> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:21:55 -0700
> From: "trevor Johson" <dmcboy1der_at_dml_hotpop.com>
> Subject: Delorean for Sale, (different thread)
> 
> We are thinking about selling one of our DeLoreans, and we thought we might
> post here to see if there would be any interest.
> 
> 1- 1981 vin #4055, Black interior, manual, silver wheels, power ant. grooved
> hood, 10,000 original miles, first place concours winner, silver racing
> stripe. asking $35,000
> 
> 2- 1981 vin # 6974, grey interior, manual, silver wheels, grooved hood,
> 60,000 miles, silver racing stripe. asking $30,000
> 
> Both cars have aftermarket stereos professionally installed, with very
> little impact on the interior. Both are have been taken care of very well,
> and are 100% reliable daily drivers. If there are any questions, please
> respond off list to dmcboy1der_at_dml_hotpop.com.
> 
> -the Johnson Family




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