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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1524
Date: Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:22 PM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Another (but different) problem with starting.
From: "James LaLonde" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>

2. RE: Advice and Technical Help
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

3. Re: Dash Panel / Indicator Bulbs
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

4. Re: John DeLorean Pic??
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

5. Re: Power Antenna Question
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

6. Re: Advice and Technical Help
From: "dmcmike2002" <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>

7. Re: Replacement Horns.
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

8. Emergency DC trip
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

9. Re: Re: Advice and Technical Help
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>

10. Re: Rumbly rough running
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

11. DeLorean Rear Wheel & Tire for sale EBAY 2417415394
From: "henryparticelli" <Stockcar99h_at_dml_aol.com>

12. Re: John DeLorean Pic??
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

13. RE: Re: Rumbly rough running
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>

14. Re: Delorean World or DW as it is now called
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

15. Re: Fixing up a D: Is it worth it?
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

16. Re: Replacement Horns.
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

17. clutch fork clip broke: Any suggestions?
From: "Me" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:16:31 -0000
From: "James LaLonde" <deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com>
Subject: Another (but different) problem with starting.

Granted, my car startes GREAT compared to some... and to my old D.

But it take maybe 2 or 3 seconds of cranking or have my engine kick 
over.
 I think I know why... but not how to fix it.

Normally you should be able you turn the key to the 'click' before 
START and hear the fuel pump energize, right? I cannot hear it. BUT 
if i click the key over to start VERY briefly (not giving the engine 
a chance to turn over) you can then hear the pump energizing over the 
engine cranking if you listen closely. THEN if you try to start the 
car again it fires up Perfectly (fuel system having full pressure now)

Any idea why this might be? It's not a huge problem but all the same 
I'd like it fixed.

Thanks 
James 4009




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:51:30 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: RE: Advice and Technical Help

I can chime in on an overheat problem I was having that Mike Cohee helped me
with.

I had installed a whole new cooling system along with the self-bleed kit to
assist in the process. Despite this, I was still getting intermittent
overheat problems with the system.

Mike, armed with the mighty knowledge of Walt, recommended that I pull the
top hose off the right side of the radiator. I believe this is the intake
hose for the radiator itself. He told me that if there was air still in the
system, you'd hear a loud sucking sound followed by a rush of coolant (oh
behave!). Sure enough, I had enough air o'plenty all up in that mofo. 

I was amazed how much coolant it took after I got the air out. 

Needless to say, I haven't had an overheat since.

Thanks Mike!




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:14:02 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Dash Panel / Indicator Bulbs

For some good reading on the subject go to deloreanparts.com and read
up on the dash lites, he recomends changing out the bulbs to red ones.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> the only thing I suggest is to replace every bulb because another
will blow
> out in a couple of months.  It is a pain.  It happened to me.
> 
> Joseph
> vin 2850
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <doctorDHD_at_dml_a...>
> To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:36 PM
> Subject: [DML] Dash Panel / Indicator Bulbs
> 
> 
> > I just took off my binnacle because the oil pressure light was not
> working.
> > (Turned out to be a bent contact on the flexible pc board at the main
> > connector.)  What are the groups thoughts about replacement bulbs?
 They
> don't seem to
> > be listed in the workshop manual.  Do you need to use anything
special for
> the
> > alternator/battery bulb?  What about the others?  Are there LED
> replacements
> > available?  Would it be worth rigging them up myself?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Dave
> > 6530
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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> > moderators_at_dml_d...
> >
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:46:04 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: John DeLorean Pic??

It's in the book, "On a Clear Day, you can see GM".

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> I'm looking for the picture of John DeLorean in jeans in front of 
his messy
> desk.  Can anyone remind me where I saw this?  Was it in one of the 
books?
> Better yet, does anyone have a digital copy?
> 
> I think the picture was taken back in the 70s
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jake Kamphoefner




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:02:25 -0400
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: Power Antenna Question

Can you tell me what Sony unit you have gotten??

Michael
vin 6067


Quoting billgrah5 <bill_at_dml_billgraham.net>:

> Hello,
> 
> I currently have most of my DMC's interior removed to dye the faded 
> vinyl and replace my bad Craig radio.
> 
> I purchased a nice Sony head unit with a 100% invisible face plate.  
> It has two wires for the power antenna:  .1 amp and .3 amp wires.
> 
> I can't find anything in the archive or manuals that lists the proper 
> amperage.  Does anyone know the correct requirement?
> 
> I have a Nov 1981, vin 6298.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
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> 





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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:00:26 -0000
From: "dmcmike2002" <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Advice and Technical Help

> It really helps the list if after getting advice on a posted problem
> you can let us know what happened and what you found and what was 
done to fix the problem. 

I second this!...when i search archives before posting I can 
sometimes find almost the exact problem that someone else had but 
more often than not i read all the suggestions but never find out how 
it was resolved...I just assumed the owner gave up and sold the 
car :-)...whenever I get a problem solved I always post how it was 
resolved, who helped me and how angry my wife is for me being in the 
garage so long fixing it :-)

Mike C
Baltimore
2109




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:46:52 -0500
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Replacement Horns.

Some time back someone on the list suggested turning the horns so they face
the rear of the car. It seems that in their original position they scoop up
dust and dirt until they get really muffled. Actualy I think I switched the
left and right around to make it work.

Bruce Benson

> As it turns out, my horns too have started to
> die on me. Which isn't a good thing, seeing as how I >tend to use them
> frequently here. They didn't warble, or change tone. >They've just
> become more quite.
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"





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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:52:26 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Emergency DC trip

Bill,

If you need a place to make a pit stop, I live pretty close to DC. 
Check your email. Mail me off list.

Rich A.
#5335




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:57:10 -0500
From: "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Advice and Technical Help

That's what's known as FFLF. ( female fun limitation factor )

Bruce Benson


 >how angry my wife is for me being in the 
> garage so long fixing it :-)
> 
> Mike C
> Baltimore
> 2109
 



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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:07:18 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Rumbly rough running

First off, What's a Dizzy?  On to the problem, make sure the frequency
valve is buzzing. Put the timing light back on and check the vacuum
advance AND the mechanical advance. To do it first plug the vacuum
hose to the distributer. Now with the light on and the engine running
watch the timing mark as you increase the speed of the motor, you
should see the mark move. Now reconnect the vacuum hose and try again.
This time you should see a lot more advance. Make sure the air sensor
plate isn't rubbing on the side of the body, it is centered in the
throat. You didn't say you replaced the air filter, pull it out and
inspect it, if it is really dirty replace it. I have to assume that
all the parts you replaced are good and you did it correctly because
if you have a bad spark plug or you switched an ignition wire it could
cause this. Make sure that there is a plug in the spot over the
mixture screw and there are no big vacuum leaks.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "jamesrguk" <James_rg_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> Long time since I last posted but I wonder if anyone on the list can 
> help.
> 
> My DMC has been running badly for some time now, not a constant 
> misfire but the engine sounds quite "rumbly" like a huge V8 rather 
> than a smooth V6, it also lacks power and stammers when pulling away.
> 
> I have changed the following -
> 
> CPR, Fuel Distributor, Dizzy + Cap + Rotor, all injectors, fuel 
> lines, fuel pump, coil, coil lead, ballast resistors, spark plugs 
> (12 months ago). Freq valve etc... 
> 
> Also has very good and even compression on all cylinders
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> When I removed the plugs, held them on the head and flogged the 
> engine over the sparks were not as impressive as I would have 
> expected, but they did spark. I have also tested the fuel supply 
> pressures and they appear to be normal.
> 
> Could it just be way out of tune? I checked the timing, which was 
> spot on.
> 
> Any suggestions of where to start looking would be helpful.
> 
> James RG
> Vin# 5462




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:26:10 -0000
From: "henryparticelli" <Stockcar99h_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: DeLorean Rear Wheel & Tire for sale EBAY 2417415394

I have a rear wheel and tire for sale on ebay.

It is the last of my Delorean parts and so on at this time.

I also wanted to thank all of the DMC people, (Walt,Erik,Greg, and 
others) for all of your advice and help over the past month in 
dealing with my 3 DeLorean Aquisition and sale. It is appreciated 
Much more than I could possible convey. I look forward to future 
dealings.

Sincerely
R.Henry




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:04:29 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: John DeLorean Pic??

Jake,

Once place that I see that photo regularly is the opening photo
on the Articles page of Tamir's website.  I'm sure Tamir has a
much less cluttered original photo that he based his D Articles
opening page on, or just cut and paste only the JZD image.

Later,
Rich W.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jake" <jkampho_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> I'm looking for the picture of John DeLorean in jeans in front of 
his messy
> desk.  Can anyone remind me where I saw this?  Was it in one of the 
books?
> Better yet, does anyone have a digital copy?
> 
> I think the picture was taken back in the 70s
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jake Kamphoefner




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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:15:38 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_vantagep.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Rumbly rough running

A Distributor?

I'll take Potpourri for $1000.

> First off, What's a Dizzy




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:11:02 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Delorean World or DW as it is now called

Well, I guess someone at DW must read the DML because I just got 2
DW'S in the mail! It took shaming them in public to get what I was
supposed to have in the first place. There seems to have been a large
gap from Summer 2002 to Spring 2003. After having read the "latest" DW
I was rather disappointed but after having been treated the way I was
I can now understand why they aren't getting the articles contributed
like they used to. I will not be submitting any more articles to them
and I for one won't miss getting DW. If you thought the previous
issues looked like a travel magazine then you won't appreciate the
latest one! I do have to say that is a very nicely done publication
but for those of us that want some substance it is lacking. BTW many
people have responded to my posting of this topic offlist, I guess
they don't want to p-ss off Mr Bernstein. The latest issue looks like
it was published by the Canadian Tourism Bureau. Timing in life is
everything, too bad this mag was published right after the SARS scare.
At least it is about Montreal and not Toronto. Just my Humble Opinion.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "foxmul2001" <foxmul_at_dml_b...> wrote:
> Is anyone else severely dissappointed with their Delorean World 
> Magazine?  I think someone earlier mentioned that their wife 
> commented on how it looked like a travel magazine.  It does.  It is 
> not worth it for me. I just got Deloreans magazine and I was 
> pleased.  It is inexpensive and comprehensive. I found nothing of 
> use in DW magazine, not even the handy Montreal city tour planning 
> card. Yet in Deloreans magazine, I needed to replace my accumulator, 
> my fuel sender, and most important, my steering column bushing.  
> These subjects just happened to be covered in this issue with 
> excellent pictures and step by step instructions.  I also love new 
> products that are coming out and they always cover this, even 
> reporting on Pearce designs showing off their new stainless steel 
> frame.  I also found out how low priced the new gas charged door 
> lift pistons are.  They actually came down in price.  I want to know 
> if anyone else shares the same feelings as I.  I will be giving my 
> issue of DW to a travel agency, maybe they are looking for things to 
> do in Montreal. Just my opinion.
> 
> Joseph M.
> vin 2850
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> > My second issue of DW arrived yesterday.
> > 
> > I was disappointed.
> > 
> > Dick Ryan
> > VIN 16867
> > 
> > [long duplicate quote snipped by moderator]




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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:02:49 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Fixing up a D: Is it worth it?

In my opinion, Dave is the definitive authority on restoring cars, 
let alone a DeLorean. 'Nuff said on that.

The part I most agree with, is the part about the "project car 
spiral". I was in the Persian Gulf, barricaded in my hotel room on 
Sept. 11th last year when I decided I would do this. I purposefully 
bought a DeLorean that needed work because I was tired of geeking out 
on my computer in the basement and wanted a serious project. I love 
cars.

Now that I have it, I find myself fighting the spiral once in a while 
when the money dries up. It's a race, between your wallet and the 
clock, and your patience. If I made a single dollar less per hour 
than I do now, I'd might regret it. (of course, raining for 30 
straight days doesn't help)

I must be pretty serious about it though..I'm so intense that my wife 
looked me square in the eye last week and said "I want one too".

Rich A.
#5335 -MD

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_f...> 
wrote:
> Hi All,
>  
> I've seen my name come up a few times in the last week about 
restoring a
> D.  Here's my standard advice:  Are you looking for a project car 
so you
> can get a D at a lower price?  If so, that's false logic.  It just
> doesn't work that way.  In fact, it's exactly the opposite.  I'll
> explain:
>  
> An important bit of wisdom was imparted to me early on in auto
> restoration: "The difference between a $15,000 car and a $20,000 
car is
> around $10,000." It's strange but true. You can almost always get a
> better deal (when all told) by buying a car that is great to begin 
with,
> than by fixing up one that needs work.  I'm at around $22,500 into 
the
> Vixen project, and I'm not done yet.  The "Rule of 20"  has been 
just
> about right in my case. The "Rule of 20", if you are unfamiliar 
with it,
> is Cost of DeLorean + Cost of parts and service = $20,000. That's 
about
> $5,000 more than a D in nice shape to begin with...
> 
> Now I, on the other hand, bought -my- car for the express purpose of
> fixing it up. The process itself is what I'm interested in, more 
than
> the end result. Will I have a $25,000 car if I spend $25,000 
restoring
> it? Most likely not. And to make financial matters worse, I will 
have
> invested a couple-thousand- hours of work to boot.
> 
> Sometimes though, the journey is better than the destination. My '58
> Plymouth has around $30,000 invested in it, but is still only a 
$17,000
> car. Where did the $10k go? It bought one heck of a lot of fun. A 
LOT of
> fun. And it's worth it, IF you can afford it.
> 
> I see a lot of posts asking for a cheap D, by someone who will 
finance.
> Originally, that's how I approached the original owner. I did pay 
him
> cash though when the deal was struck - I wanted to start with a 
clean
> slate. I do  remember what it was like to be young, and dreaming of 
that
> perfect car. You'll do nearly -anything- to get it. However, trust 
me on
> this one: DO NOT BUY A COLLECTOR CAR UNLESS YOU HAVE THE MONEY TO 
MAKE
> IT RUN AND KEEP IT RUNNING. Now it doesn't have to be perfect at 
first,
> but at least drivable. If you spend every cent buying a car that'll 
need
> tons more money before it's streetable, you will stress yourself to
> death. You'll start to see the car as an endless drain on your 
wallet,
> and it may be years before you ever get to drive it. Besides, it's a
> race against time. The longer it sits, the more it will need.
> Eventually, you end up selling the car for less than you layed out, 
and
> you'll be depressed & broke, as well as carless. This is what my 
friends
> call the "Project Car Spiral". Avoid it.
> 
> I'm at a point in my life where I have most of the cash and time I 
need
> to responsibly restore a car. If you don't have enough of both to 
begin
> with, then you won't be happy when you get the car. It took me -12
> years- to finally get my '58 Plymouth. It took -15 years- to get my 
D.
> If it's worth doing, it's worth waiting, and that advice works on a 
lot
> of levels.
> 
> Trust me. I've been there, and done that.
> 
> -Dave Stragand
> VIN #05927
>  <http://www.projectvixen.com/> http://www.ProjectVixen.com
> 
>  
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:16:22 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Replacement Horns.

The horns do indeed have the possibility to scoop up debris from the 
road. And dirt an insects as well if you car has ever sat for any 
period of time. Facing them back though, isn't something that I'd 
reccomend. Even if the new ones only last half of the 46K miles that 
the old ones have, I wouldn't sacrifice any portion of the safety of 
having the full sound point forward, just to keep the horns from 
getting clogged.

If you're concerned about damaging the horns, the I would rather 
point them down like the horns on conventional cars to keep road 
grime out. Otherwise, it's not really a high concern.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "B Benson" <delornut_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> Some time back someone on the list suggested turning the horns so 
they face
> the rear of the car. It seems that in their original position they 
scoop up
> dust and dirt until they get really muffled. Actualy I think I 
switched the
> left and right around to make it work.
> 
> Bruce Benson




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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:58:29 -0500
From: "Me" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: clutch fork clip broke: Any suggestions?

Welp, we were working on the tranny and installing the clutch fork but the
clip broke on it.  I am going to see if I can have it welded back together
but was wondering if this ever happened to anyone else and, if so, how did
you go about fixing it?  I've heard this is a common problem of them
breaking however, this part is no longer available unless from a parts car.
Has anyone found a cross reference for this part?

Thanks for any help or advice!




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