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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1525
Date: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:58 AM

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Fixing up a D: Is it worth it?
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com

2. Re: Delorean World or DW as it is now called
From: "dmcmike2002" <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>

3. Re: clutch fork clip broke: Any suggestions?
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

4. Re: Power Antenna Question
From: "billgrah5" <bill_at_dml_billgraham.net>

5. Re: clutch fork clip broke: Any suggestions?
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Re: Replacement Horns.
From: "thomaspaulmccoy" <thomaspaulmccoy_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Re: Fixing up a D: Is it worth it?
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

8. Re: Digest Number 1520
From: myhrek_at_dml_aol.com

9. Phones out of service at DMC (Texas)
From: "James Espey" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

10. DeLorean Insurance
From: "rrouya" <RRouya_at_dml_ATTBI.com>

11. RE: Another (but different) problem with starting.
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

12. RE: Re: Rumbly rough running
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

13. Re: clutch fork clip broke: Any suggestions?
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

14. Re: DeLorean Insurance
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:34:35 -0500
From: MPolzin_at_dml_sen.com
Subject: Re: Re: Fixing up a D: Is it worth it?

I currently have two Deloreans that I paid $5,500 each. The one restoration
is now complete and I have a beautiful car to show for a lot of work. I too
laughed when someone told me I would end up spending a boat load of money
trying to put the car back on the road, however I'm not laughing anymore. I
put in excess of $11,000 into my first restoration. Is the car worth the
grand total of $16,500? I would definitely say yes and then some, but that
about doesn't include the many hours of labor that went into this car.

For me it was a journey, something I wanted to do to learn about the car. I
probably wasted some money along the way too because I simply didn't have
the knowledge of these cars that I do now, you tend not to make costly
mistakes twice.  I might have also been quite a bit more picky about the car
than I needed to, but I wanted a car I could be proud of as well.

My second car is already running well and I took it out for a short spin
this past weekend for the first time. I've only got about $550 into this car
to get it to this point, and will probably need to spend another $600 - $800
to complete the mechanical restoration. There are still cosmetic issues with
the car that need to be resolved, but right now I just need to get this car
back on the road so it doesn't continue to go downhill from sitting.

I think the bottom line is that there is nothing wrong with someone buying a
project Delorean, even if they aren't familiar with the mechanics of the
car, as long as they know they can stick with it (ups and downs included)
and understand that they are going to have to spend some money to put it
back on the road. The Delorean community is amazingly helpful, better than
any of the other cars I have been involved in previously. The DML and people
like John Hervey who answer my calls for help at 2:00 on a Sunday afternoon
make it possible to tackle this task. Dave T and others have also been very
helpful along the way and I can't even begin to express how much I've
learned from them and other on the DML along the way.

My main reason for constantly buying projects (a third project car is on its
way) is that I have the satisfaction in knowing that I put the car back on
the road. In addition to that I never seem to have $15 - 20K to lay out at
any one time, but I'm very good at nickle and diming the project along to
completion. Dedication to the project is the key, if you can't stick with it
then don't bother, but if you can then give it a shot.

Mike Polzin




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:40:06 -0000
From: "dmcmike2002" <billsfanmd_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean World or DW as it is now called

again I agree with david. :-) My issue came the other day and i think 
it is very well produced. I noticed too that all the vendors have 
placed ads which seems like a conflict of interest to the publisher. 
What I hoped for is more day to day tech stuff. Most of us will never 
even consider messing with our clutches and the magazine went into 
detail on repairing them...

Even something like a Q & A tech article or "ask a D mechanic" with a 
few answers would be helpful...I have the first 4 years of these 
magazines and they have lots of good info but the pics are black and 
white and are not real clear....

one thing i thought would be neat idea is following the life of a 
specific delorean...and each quaterly issue give us any repairs, 
problems, improvments the car had. This way we could all see how 
another car is running and compare things to each of our own cars 

mike c
2109




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:55:18 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: clutch fork clip broke: Any suggestions?

When we were changing Jim Reeve's clutch at my house last week, he 
replaced the fork with a brand new one from Grady. Not cheap, but 
available. 

Given that.....

IMO the clip really serves no useful function once the trans is in 
the car. It is there to hold the fork in place during installation, 
and he helps slightly keeping the rubber boot in place. Once it's all 
together the fork cannot fall off the pivot. (If it could, that 
cheesy little clip wouldn't hold it in place!) Just hold the fork in 
place with a well-placed zip-tie, install the trans, and then cut and 
remove the zip-tie.

More important is the rubber grease boot that goes around the pivot 
ball - THAT should be there to keep the grease in place as long as 
possible. 

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Me" <at88mph_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> Welp, we were working on the tranny and installing the clutch fork 
but the
> clip broke on it.  I am going to see if I can have it welded back 
together
> but was wondering if this ever happened to anyone else and, if so, 
how did
> you go about fixing it?  I've heard this is a common problem of them
> breaking however, this part is no longer available..




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:25:19 -0000
From: "billgrah5" <bill_at_dml_billgraham.net>
Subject: Re: Power Antenna Question

Michael,

I purchased the Sony CDX-M800.  

The crutchfield photos do not show the front powered down.  However, 
you can configure the stereo to never display anything on the front 
cover.  It looks like a tinted window.  FYI:  The cover is automatic 
and retracts if you want to enter a CD or use the controls on the 
inside.

I also added the XM Satellite Radio receiver in the glove box behind 
the driver's seat.  It fits perfectly.

Thanks

Bill
vin 6298

http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-NCryFpc5P26/ProdView.asp?
s=0&c=3&g=300&I=158CDXM800&o=m&a=0&cc=01&avf=N

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> Can you tell me what Sony unit you have gotten??
> 
> Michael
> vin 6067
> 
> 
> Quoting billgrah5 <bill_at_dml_b...>:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I currently have most of my DMC's interior removed to dye the 
faded 
> > vinyl and replace my bad Craig radio.
> > 
> > I purchased a nice Sony head unit with a 100% invisible face 
plate.  
> > It has two wires for the power antenna:  .1 amp and .3 amp wires.
> > 
> > I can't find anything in the archive or manuals that lists the 
proper 
> > amperage.  Does anyone know the correct requirement?
> > 
> > I have a Nov 1981, vin 6298.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
>




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:27:51 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: clutch fork clip broke: Any suggestions?

If you have a part number I will check to see if I have that part.

Erik



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Me" <at88mph_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> Welp, we were working on the tranny and installing the clutch fork 
but the
> clip broke on it.  I am going to see if I can have it welded back 
together
> but was wondering if this ever happened to anyone else and, if so, 
how did
> you go about fixing it?  I've heard this is a common problem of 
them
> breaking however, this part is no longer available unless from a 
parts car.
> Has anyone found a cross reference for this part?
> 
> Thanks for any help or advice!




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:40:20 -0000
From: "thomaspaulmccoy" <thomaspaulmccoy_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Replacement Horns.

I will vouch for the 138db Kragen horn swap.  They look stock, but 
are louder than the horns on my full-sized GM!

Note:  I disassembled my old horns & found no sign of bug/dirt/grime 
clogs causing premature failure.  IMHO they just "wear out" and need 
replacement every 20 years or so.


TM 6921

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_l...> 
wrote:
> Occasionally in the past, I've seen people looking for replacement 
> horns for their cars. As it turns out, my horns too have started to 
> die on me. Which isn't a good thing, seeing as how I tend to use 
them 
> frequently here. They didn't warble, or change tone. They've just 
> become more quite.
> 
> Anywho, the replacements that I found look great! They're larger 
than 
> the OEM ones, and are black and silver, so they don't look out of 
> place like the aftermarket red ones do. Plus, the best part is the 
> sound; 138db! Beleive me, you will be heard! Other than the 
loudness, 
> the tone is the exact same as stock, but sounds MUCH better, and 
> isn't wimpy at all!
> 
> $14 each for the low, and high note horns _at_dml_ Checker auto parts (or 
> Kragen, or Schuck's depending upon where you live). Installaion is 
a 
> breeze, as the horns simply bolt into the old locations. So for 
those 
> that have been looking for a nice aftermarket alternative that is 
as 
> close to stock as possible in appearance, these fit the bill.
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:50:10 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Fixing up a D: Is it worth it?

I for one like to work on cars and I have recently gotten two nice cars that 
needed a bit of TLC

I spent time on the first one and entered it  in Houstons concours and with a 
little more time 
Well who knows what would have happened.  Although I did not win It did real 
well and I was more than pleased. ( 12 points out of first and take away the 5 
bonus points of the leader and I was 7 points down I'll take that anytime 
especially this last concours where all the cars were under 600 miles.)

The second one was more of a project car although still in very good 
condition body and frame wise.

I have not even finished it and I have two people interested in buying it and 
guess what 
Its at $20K  

This car has been gone over and for being in good shape and keeping in the 
context of this thread, I spent a good sum of money to upgrade the car where 
needed.

The people interested in this car are people that are not interested or 
capable of doing any of the repairs I did to restore the car to a like new 
condition

I had the car at Chicago and once the fuel system  was cleaned it started 
right up after 6 years of sitting idle.

I love my D's 

And to answer the questions I am getting a lot of e-mails on,  YES  1880 is 
going to be sold eventually once I am done "playing with it."

If you want to see some pics of it e-mail me privately.


Ken  


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:50:22 EDT
From: myhrek_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1520

Re: (DML) Digest Number 1520, Message 11.
In some quarters, said 'disappointment' has lingered for years.  Some of 
those previously infected with this affliction are now immunized, however, this 
may now be reaching epidemic proportions on a massive scale.  Your opinion is 
seconded in equal proportions.

Cheers,  K. Myhre    <MyhreK_at_dml_aol.com>  


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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:58:36 -0500
From: "James Espey" <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Phones out of service at DMC (Texas)

A passing truck knocked down the phone lines serving the area surrounding
DMC this afternoon and all phone lines are out. Sprint is unsure when they
will have them back up, please feel free to use the web store or contact us
via email - our cable modem is still up and running!

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
http://www.delorean.com
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:28:17 -0000
From: "rrouya" <RRouya_at_dml_ATTBI.com>
Subject: DeLorean Insurance

( as most of the list 'regulars know, the archives have hundreds of posts regarding insurance. You'll find all you need to know at www.dmcnews.com.  Moderator )

Hi, I am about to buy a used DeLorean within the next month.  I have 
a question.  What insurance do you current DeLorean owners use?  I 
want to the full coverage.  I heard some ppl paying an outrage price 
or getting outrage quotes from insurance compaines.  While others 
play a normal price.  Some insurance companies dont even have the 
DeLorean in there computers.  So please let me know what insurance 
company you use and how much you play and how should I go about the 
proccess of getting my car insured.  Thanks for the help in advance.




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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:02:05 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Another (but different) problem with starting.

James, Could be the RPM relay not passing thru the signal when your in the
run position.
0 position is off
1nd is on and a few lights
2rd Run position is RPM on for a moment.
3th position is start. Then the key goes back to to 2nd and RPM continues to
run.

John Hervey




-----Original Message-----
From: James LaLonde [mailto:deloreandmcxii_at_dml_excite.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:17 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Another (but different) problem with starting.


Granted, my car startes GREAT compared to some... and to my old D.

But it take maybe 2 or 3 seconds of cranking or have my engine kick
over.
 I think I know why... but not how to fix it.

Normally you should be able you turn the key to the 'click' before
START and hear the fuel pump energize, right? I cannot hear it. BUT
if i click the key over to start VERY briefly (not giving the engine
a chance to turn over) you can then hear the pump energizing over the
engine cranking if you listen closely. THEN if you try to start the
car again it fires up Perfectly (fuel system having full pressure now)

Any idea why this might be? It's not a huge problem but all the same
I'd like it fixed.

Thanks
James 4009



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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 20:04:02 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Rumbly rough running

James, Warm up regulator. Also called CPR.
John Hervey


-----Original Message-----
From: therealdmcvegas [mailto:DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:19 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Rumbly rough running


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "jamesrguk" <James_rg_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> Long time since I last posted but I wonder if anyone on the list
can
> help.
>
> My DMC has been running badly for some time now, not a constant
> misfire but the engine sounds quite "rumbly" like a huge V8 rather
> than a smooth V6, it also lacks power and stammers when pulling
away.
<SNIP>

Try pulling the fuel injectors, and make sure that they've all got a
good spray pattern. Another thing to check is to make sure that the
spark plugs are all properly gapped. Both are items that can cause
the type of problem that you're describing on your car, which sounds
like improper burning of fuel in the cylinders (either too much, or
improperly atomized). If that still fails, you *might* need a CO
adjustment like my car did after 20 years, but that's more of a final
repair, and takes an exhaust anylizer to complete.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:04:38 -0500
From: "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: clutch fork clip broke: Any suggestions?

Thanks for the info guys! I was able to weld the piece back together
successfully so everything worked out ok.

Thanks again!





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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:48:43 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean Insurance

I just insured two DeLoreans through State Farm, Ohio ( in addition to my 
original one) 

One is insured as of today to be exact.

I have full coverage on both 81's with a $500 deductable for collision and a 
$50 on comprehensive.

Note that I have a discount since I insure 11 vehicles so this is a "fleet 
type rate" based on 5 drivers.

The cost is $125 per half year based on my age and I have no reported 
accidents that were my fault ever on my record. (speeding tickets are another story)

The car is insured for $25000 (Max I can get from State Farm) and it does not 
have a mileage limit (although with 168 miles it is not going anywhere)

The one I insured today has 6,586 miles and is insured for $22K and it costs 
the same $125 ( Mileage and condition led to these numbers)

Without the fleet rate I would be about $239 per half and it is with State 
Farm

My original D is with them and has been for 8 year. (6,724 miles 

Ken

Vin 16684 (Old Faithful)
Vin 1880 (Back on the road as of tonight)
Vin 3720 (168 miles)


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