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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1526
Date: Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:45 AM

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Dash Panel / Indicator Bulbs
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>

2. Re: DeLorean Insurance
From: "Cecil Longwisch" <dmc1982_at_dml_msn.com>

3. Control pressure regulator gap
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>

4. Re: DeLorean Insurance
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

5. Control pressure regulator rebuild?
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Re: Dash Panel / Indicator Bulbs
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>

7. Re: DeLorean Insurance
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

8. Re: DeLorean Insurance
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

9. Re: DeLorean Insurance
From: JVC220_at_dml_aol.com

10. Re: Control pressure regulator rebuild?
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

11. Millennium Concours
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

12. Re: Millennium Concours
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

13. Re: Control pressure regulator rebuild?
From: webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk

14. RE: Re: Control pressure regulator rebuild?
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:44:41 -0700
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Dash Panel / Indicator Bulbs

Hello,
 Yes, they do have led replacements they fit perfectly with no mods. #194
bulb replacements
Jamstrait makes them.
They can be purchased from their vendors link pages.
http://www.jamstrait.com/links.html
Some vendors sell them in pairs and others are sold individually, price them
out some are cheaper than others. Autozone also carries the super-brite.
There are allot of bulbs in the dash so this could get very expensive.

Remember you have two choices the super brites or the hyper-brites. The
differences is 2 leds versus 4 leds, both fit no problem.
Also these can be used for your door lights as well. I would recommend the
hyper-brites. They look cool, you can see the 4 bulb cluster and they are
brighter than the incandscent bulbs.

Regards,
Mike
Vin#1113





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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 00:15:34 -0400
From: "Cecil Longwisch" <dmc1982_at_dml_msn.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Insurance


Ah the insurance thread again and still my favorite because it impacts 
everyone,
Ken, you are one of the lucky chosen ones who has/had State Farm previously. 
They will not take a DeLoren on anyone writing a new policy with them. They 
cancelled all my cars ( only 6) and 2 homes and a farm over the DeLorean 
being on a new policy when I moved to Florida. I had paid my money and had 
the policy however when it made it to Bloomington their underwriter 
cancelled it because they said the DeLorean WAS ON THE "BLACK" LIST. I had 
to scramble a beg back to my old company (ANPAC) for coverage.




Cecil longwisch




>From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [DML] DeLorean Insurance
>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:48:43 EDT
>
>I just insured two DeLoreans through State Farm, Ohio ( in addition to my
>original one)
>
>One is insured as of today to be exact.
>
>I have full coverage on both 81's with a $500 deductable for collision and 
>a
>$50 on comprehensive.
>
>Note that I have a discount since I insure 11 vehicles so this is a "fleet
>type rate" based on 5 drivers.
>
>The cost is $125 per half year based on my age and I have no reported
>accidents that were my fault ever on my record. (speeding tickets are 
>another story)
>
>The car is insured for $25000 (Max I can get from State Farm) and it does 
>not
>have a mileage limit (although with 168 miles it is not going anywhere)
>
>The one I insured today has 6,586 miles and is insured for $22K and it 
>costs
>the same $125 ( Mileage and condition led to these numbers)
>
>Without the fleet rate I would be about $239 per half and it is with State
>Farm
>
>My original D is with them and has been for 8 year. (6,724 miles
>
>Ken
>
>Vin 16684 (Old Faithful)
>Vin 1880 (Back on the road as of tonight)
>Vin 3720 (168 miles)
>
>
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>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 02:14:52 -0400
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>
Subject: Control pressure regulator gap

Does anyone know the correct gap for the bi-metal contact points inside the CPR? Also, I would like to thank everyone that responded to my question regarding the correct oil weight. As usual, it was very enlightening!
Thanks,
Rustproof
Vin # 1559

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:59:28 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean Insurance

Bummer dude

I just got mine yesterday

Wonder why the blacklisted the car 

Anyway did you read my millennium comments
I posted to the millennium list.

I got my list of deductions.

Yours I found the most interesting 

read the post then I'll comment 

Thought you did a good job

Ken


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:07:36 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Control pressure regulator rebuild?

Is there a way to rebuild these?  Mine is not working properly as 
well, and I have an extra.  I would like to rebuild the extra and 
install it.  I know of cleaning it out and making sure it's not 
clogged.  what about the electronics?  can this be serviced?

Erik



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> Does anyone know the correct gap for the bi-metal contact points 
inside the CPR? Also, I would like to thank everyone that responded 
to my question regarding the correct oil weight. As usual, it was 
very enlightening!
> Thanks,
> Rustproof
> Vin # 1559
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:00:37 -0500
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Dash Panel / Indicator Bulbs

Hey mike do you have a picture of these in your car so we can see how bright your dash
is?

Mark
6683

Mike wrote:

> Hello,
>  Yes, they do have led replacements they fit perfectly with no mods. #194
> bulb replacements
> Jamstrait makes them.
> They can be purchased from their vendors link pages.
> http://www.jamstrait.com/links.html
> Some vendors sell them in pairs and others are sold individually, price them
> out some are cheaper than others. Autozone also carries the super-brite.
> There are allot of bulbs in the dash so this could get very expensive.
>
> Remember you have two choices the super brites or the hyper-brites. The
> differences is 2 leds versus 4 leds, both fit no problem.
> Also these can be used for your door lights as well. I would recommend the
> hyper-brites. They look cool, you can see the 4 bulb cluster and they are
> brighter than the incandscent bulbs.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
> Vin#1113




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:37:01 -0400
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Insurance

I had Geico prior to buying the Delorean. I switched to State Farm 1 month 
prior to buying it and then added it to my polocy. I got a letter from the 
underwriter saying that Deloreans are not covered. I called my agent told her 
what had hapened and she called them right away and stated that there are other 
polocies with Deloreans and she called the underwriters prior to addingthe 
Delorean to be sure it would be covered and they said yes. They still sent out 
a letter to me after the car was added - my agent called them back with the 
letter and got it taken care of and I am a new owner and have both my station 
wagon and Delorean on the new polocy. I wish you luck.

Regards,

Michael


Quoting Cecil Longwisch <dmc1982_at_dml_msn.com>:

> 
> Ah the insurance thread again and still my favorite because it impacts 
> everyone,
> Ken, you are one of the lucky chosen ones who has/had State Farm previously.
> 
> They will not take a DeLoren on anyone writing a new policy with them. They 
> cancelled all my cars ( only 6) and 2 homes and a farm over the DeLorean 
> being on a new policy when I moved to Florida. I had paid my money and had 
> the policy however when it made it to Bloomington their underwriter 
> cancelled it because they said the DeLorean WAS ON THE "BLACK" LIST. I had 
> to scramble a beg back to my old company (ANPAC) for coverage.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cecil longwisch
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
> >Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> >To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [DML] DeLorean Insurance
> >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 22:48:43 EDT
> >
> >I just insured two DeLoreans through State Farm, Ohio ( in addition to my
> >original one)
> >
> >One is insured as of today to be exact.
> >
> >I have full coverage on both 81's with a $500 deductable for collision and 
> >a
> >$50 on comprehensive.
> >
> >Note that I have a discount since I insure 11 vehicles so this is a "fleet
> >type rate" based on 5 drivers.
> >
> >The cost is $125 per half year based on my age and I have no reported
> >accidents that were my fault ever on my record. (speeding tickets are 
> >another story)
> >
> >The car is insured for $25000 (Max I can get from State Farm) and it does 
> >not
> >have a mileage limit (although with 168 miles it is not going anywhere)
> >
> >The one I insured today has 6,586 miles and is insured for $22K and it 
> >costs
> >the same $125 ( Mileage and condition led to these numbers)
> >
> >Without the fleet rate I would be about $239 per half and it is with State
> >Farm
> >
> >My original D is with them and has been for 8 year. (6,724 miles
> >
> >Ken
> >
> >Vin 16684 (Old Faithful)
> >Vin 1880 (Back on the road as of tonight)
> >Vin 3720 (168 miles)
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> >moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
> >
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> >
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:08:01 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: DeLorean Insurance

As pointed out in the past the rules the insurance companies follow
varies greatly from State to State. You really can only go by the
comments from others in your particular State. Talk to local owners
and see what they do. Be very careful about "regular" insurance and be
sure you understand what you would collect in the event of a "total"
(which in some cases may be a VERY low value!!!) or an unrecovered
stolen, between the deductible and the market value you may be in for
a huge surprise! Unless you intend to make a daily driver out of your
Delorean the best way to go is with classic insurance. Look in
Hemmings Motor News for all of the insurance companies that cater to
older cars and are very reasonable in their rates if you can accept
the limitations on use. In some States some companies can only offer
certain types of insurance, being blacklisted may only mean that they
cannot insure cars older than a certain # of years. On all policies
what you want to insure to is known as "AGREED UPON PRICE" so you know
up front what you will get and not find out after the fact that they
will pull out a book, look up a price of $10,000 subtract $1,500 as
the deductible and hand you $8,500 for a car you think should get you
$15,000. Also at that price it is easy to total the car because many
insurance companies will total the car if the cost to repair is within
20% of the total value of the car. So that means if the damage exceeds
$8,000, they pay you off and keep the car! These numbers are for
example ONLY, your results may vary.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> I had Geico prior to buying the Delorean. I switched to State Farm 1
month 
> prior to buying it and then added it to my polocy. I got a letter
from the 
> underwriter saying that Deloreans are not covered. I called my agent
told her 
> what had hapened and she called them right away and stated that
there are other 
> polocies with Deloreans and she called the underwriters prior to
addingthe 
> Delorean to be sure it would be covered and they said yes. They
still sent out 
> a letter to me after the car was added - my agent called them back
with the 
> letter and got it taken care of and I am a new owner and have both
my station 
> wagon and Delorean on the new polocy. I wish you luck.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael
> 
> 

> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> >




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:28:39 EDT
From: JVC220_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: DeLorean Insurance

I added the Delorean to my Progressive policy with no trouble.  They also 
gave me the lowest quote of anybody else that I tried.  It was almost half of 
what Geico and others quoted.  

Adam
5030


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:58:00 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Control pressure regulator rebuild?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
> Is there a way to rebuild these?  Mine is not working properly as 
> well, and I have an extra.  I would like to rebuild the extra and 
> install it.  I know of cleaning it out and making sure it's not 
> clogged.  what about the electronics?  can this be serviced?
> 
> Erik


As far as I know, no, there isn't a rebuild kit available. At least 
not available to the public. It's been a while since I last cracked a 
CPR open, but I can tell you that it's not exactly rocket science. 
The whole unit is just a shell, with all the internal pieces bolted 
in, and a rubber gasket on the bottom sandwiched in to create the 
vacuum diaphram. Tore one apart a while back, so if you want a 
description, check the archives, although once you open the regulator 
up, it's pretty self-explanitory.

I don't know where the rebulids are from, nor who is making them. But 
as you can see from John Hervey's web site, they're not just limited 
to the DeLorean version! What's funny is when I got my rebuilfd CPR 
from DMCH, it appeared that someone scratched out the old model #, 
and stamped the correct DeLorean one on. In addition, it also had an 
Audi logo molded into the casing that had been scrached off as well! 
But it works great, so I'm not gonna complain!

So in the end, I don't know where, or even if you can get 
any "rebuild kits", but obviously, they must be out there. And FWIW, 
the CPRs that Hervey sells look to be the exact same units at a 
slightly cheaper price, judging by the tamper seals, and the filter 
screens.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:03:46 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Millennium Concours

A new web site has been established for those interested in what has become
the standard for DeLorean concours competitions. Previous winners are
listed, as well as the current version of the manual.

http://www.millenniumconcours.com

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
15023 Eddie Drive
Humble, Texas 77396

281/441-2537 Voice
281/441-2813 Fax
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 20:37:56 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Millennium Concours

Would it be possible to add the car serial number to the
winners list?

--
Mike
> A new web site has been established for those interested in what has become
> the standard for DeLorean concours competitions. Previous winners are
> listed, as well as the current version of the manual.
> 
> http://www.millenniumconcours.com
> 
> Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
> 
> James Espey
> DeLorean Motor Company
> 15023 Eddie Drive
> Humble, Texas 77396



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:14:54 +0000
From: webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk
Subject: Re: Control pressure regulator rebuild?

We have a place over here who rebuild them, but they go wrong due to fatigue in, among other things, the internal springs which are very precisely manufactured. The cost to rebuild over here is 120 ($180) approx. I think John Hervey offers a service too.

Martin
#1458
#4426
DOC UK

> Is there a way to rebuild these?  Mine is not working properly as
> well, and I have an extra.  I would like to rebuild the extra and
> install it.  I know of cleaning it out and making sure it's not
> clogged.  what about the electronics?  can this be serviced?
> 
> Erik
> 
> 
>




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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:25:17 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Control pressure regulator rebuild?

Robert, Yes I sell them exchange and have them professionally rebuilt as you
can see on the site and calibrated to the Delorean Spec.
If any one has an extra CPR say two or three, I will trade services. Send me
three CPR's and you get a new rebuilt free. Or send me two and $50.00 and
get a new rebuilt free.
John hervey
www.specialTauto.com.


-----Original Message-----
From: therealdmcvegas [mailto:DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:58 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Control pressure regulator rebuild?


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_y...>
wrote:
> Is there a way to rebuild these?  Mine is not working properly as
> well, and I have an extra.  I would like to rebuild the extra and
> install it.  I know of cleaning it out and making sure it's not
> clogged.  what about the electronics?  can this be serviced?
>
> Erik


As far as I know, no, there isn't a rebuild kit available. At least
not available to the public. It's been a while since I last cracked a
CPR open, but I can tell you that it's not exactly rocket science.
The whole unit is just a shell, with all the internal pieces bolted
in, and a rubber gasket on the bottom sandwiched in to create the
vacuum diaphram. Tore one apart a while back, so if you want a
description, check the archives, although once you open the regulator
up, it's pretty self-explanitory.

I don't know where the rebulids are from, nor who is making them. But
as you can see from John Hervey's web site, they're not just limited
to the DeLorean version! What's funny is when I got my rebuilfd CPR
from DMCH, it appeared that someone scratched out the old model #,
and stamped the correct DeLorean one on. In addition, it also had an
Audi logo molded into the casing that had been scrached off as well!
But it works great, so I'm not gonna complain!

So in the end, I don't know where, or even if you can get
any "rebuild kits", but obviously, they must be out there. And FWIW,
the CPRs that Hervey sells look to be the exact same units at a
slightly cheaper price, judging by the tamper seals, and the filter
screens.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



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