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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1540
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:20 AM

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There are 11 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Summer get together anyone!?
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

2. Re: Strange noise in enginebay
From: Ryan Stroschein <ryan_stroschein_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Re: Canadian meet
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

4. Re: Strange noise in enginebay
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

5. Re: Strange noise in enginebay
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>

6. re: Strange noise in enginebay
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

7. Re: Re: Need headlight switch
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

8. RE: Need headlight switch
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

9. LED Dash,Dome,Door
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>

10. Re: Low end hesitation
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

11. Special timing chain/camshaft tool J28858
From: "Jeff Phillips" <jeff.phillips_at_dml_scott.af.mil>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:13:39 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Summer get together anyone!?

Ok....I have had several replies from people who are interested.

I am going to now set two dates.   Sunday July 20th as the initial day,
and the 27th as a rain date.

I am currently thinking we can meet at a specified location, take about
a 45 minute to 1 hour tour, and wind up at a nice park for a BBQ lunch!
I am working on tentative locations, so bear with me.  Details we be
along later this week!

FUN FUN FUN!!!!  :)

Kevin Abato

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Abato [mailto:delorean_at_dml_abato.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 7:11 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Summer get together anyone!?


hi everyone....
 
I am having the dents in my door fixed soon, and all this bad weather
combined with the fact that my car was injured has made me miss driving
it.
 
Also, the Delorean Mid-Atlantic club has recently gained some new
members who have contacted me with many questions, and a desire to meet
other owners.
 
Putting all this together, I was wondering if anyone would like to do a
Summer "Fun Run" in Mid-late July.  Perhaps meeting somewhere in Central
NJ, and then going on a short road trip.  I would like our destination
to be some kind of a BBQ or nice outdoor resteraunt for a lunch or early
dinner.   This would give new members/owners a chance to 
 
Anyone who is interested respond to me directly!
 
Let me know soon, and I will start to work on something.  (Suggestions
are also welcomed)
 
Kevin Abato
Vin# 16680


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:10:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ryan Stroschein <ryan_stroschein_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Strange noise in enginebay

Something similar happened to me in Memphis last summer.  One of the Fuel Injectors had popped out
slightly.  The noise went away while on the highway, but at slower speeds/idle there was a very
loud hissing.  Jim Reeve spotted the problem and popping it back into place fixed it.  Just
something easy to check for.

Ryan


--- Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> While driving this afternoon all of a sudden I heard a strange
> noise from the back, it sounded like a sort of "shrieky whistle"
> and increased with giving more throttle.
> 
> First thing that came to mind was the blowoff from the cooling,
> caused by a blown head gasket, so I stopped immediately...
> My coolant was still in the system, under pressure and the
> blowoff hose was dry. My oillevel was still right and there
> was no foam evident on the oil...
> I guess I can rule out the headgasket...
> The temp on the Gauge was on the "7:30"position, where it's been
> all day (runnning the A/C and driving no faster than 50mph...
> 
> When I listen in the engine bay and give throttle at the spool
> the sound seems to come from the left front, with the covers
> down it sounds like it's coming from the right rear :-S
> 
> My belts are both intact and under the right tension, the fins
> on my Alternator are all straight and don't hit anything...
> 
> Could this "whislte" come from an exhaust gasket?
> I have a leaky gastket between the right hand manifold and block
> nearest the X-over pipe (will be fixed after next weekend),
> could a gasket be "whistling"?
> 
> I really don't feel comfortable with my car right now; I drove it
> home as it was only 20 miles, so a tow would be easy if neccesary.
> The sound went away after a couple of miles, but returned when
> I drove into my neighbourhood...
> 
> Next weekend there's an event I'm supposed to go to, but that's
> 125 miles from here, so I'd like to know what this could have been
> before I drive off, running the risk of something REALLY going kaput.
> 
> I'm under my car anyway next wednesday, as I'm installing an extra speed
> sensor on the driveshaft then, so I'd like to know where I should look.
> 
> It'd be a real shame if I had to get into my '92 Nissan next week,
> to drive around next to cars that are 10 to 15 years older :-(
> 
> Thanks up front,
> 
> JAN van de Wouw
> Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
> Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...
> 
> DMC-12 "Dagger" since Sep. 2000
> 100NX "Saphire" since Nov. 2002
> 
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> 
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:08:42 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: Re: Canadian meet

Marv mentioned that lunch will be on the beach.  Right now the temperature of Lake Erie near Cleveland, about 40 miles from said beach, is 61F (16C for you Canadians).  That's a bit chilly, but a short swim might be doable.

For those who missed the 2001 Show and Shine, the Lamplighter Inn does have a great swimming pool.  The pool is indoors, under a roof that is both transparent and retractable.  This hotel is quite luxurious for the price.

http://reservations.canadianhotelguide.com/hotel/10005072-10194846O.html

Don't worry about news of the US dollar plunging vs other currencies.  The Canadian dollar is dropping, too.  In fact, today every US dollar buys you one more Canadian penny than it did just last week!

Hoping to see a good turn out in London,

- Mike Substelny




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:46:08 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Strange noise in enginebay

An honest to goodness whistle is usually a vacuum leak. A high pitched
whine is usually bearings. Belts can squeal too (especially when old,
cold, or wet).

Late in message you indicate is worse at lower RPM's -- characteristic
of vacuum leaks. Early in message you indicate increases with RPM's --
characteristic of bearings. 

Use a piece of heater hose like a stethescope and listen all over
engine to pinpoint source of noise.

Symptoms of leaking head gasket are misfires, steam in exhaust, foam
or milky white residue in oil, rust on spark plug electrode, and
sometimes you can smell antifreeze (though odor is usually stronger on
external leak). Doesn't really make a noise other than engine running
very badly.

Overflow tube on coolant expansion tank should only be wet as system
reaches homeostasis (after fluid added). If antifreeze ever boils,
will come out many more places than just that little tube.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> While driving this afternoon all of a sudden I heard a strange
> noise from the back, it sounded like a sort of "shrieky whistle"
> and increased with giving more throttle.
> 
> First thing that came to mind was the blowoff from the cooling,
> caused by a blown head gasket, so I stopped immediately...
> My coolant was still in the system, under pressure and the
> blowoff hose was dry. My oillevel was still right and there
> was no foam evident on the oil...
> I guess I can rule out the headgasket...
> The temp on the Gauge was on the "7:30"position, where it's been
> all day (runnning the A/C and driving no faster than 50mph...
> 
> When I listen in the engine bay and give throttle at the spool
> the sound seems to come from the left front, with the covers
> down it sounds like it's coming from the right rear :-S
> 
> My belts are both intact and under the right tension, the fins
> on my Alternator are all straight and don't hit anything...
> 
> Could this "whislte" come from an exhaust gasket?
> I have a leaky gastket between the right hand manifold and block
> nearest the X-over pipe (will be fixed after next weekend),
> could a gasket be "whistling"?
> 
> I really don't feel comfortable with my car right now; I drove it
> home as it was only 20 miles, so a tow would be easy if neccesary.
> The sound went away after a couple of miles, but returned when
> I drove into my neighbourhood...
> 
> Next weekend there's an event I'm supposed to go to, but that's
> 125 miles from here, so I'd like to know what this could have been
> before I drive off, running the risk of something REALLY going kaput.
> 
> I'm under my car anyway next wednesday, as I'm installing an extra speed
> sensor on the driveshaft then, so I'd like to know where I should look.
> 
> It'd be a real shame if I had to get into my '92 Nissan next week,
> to drive around next to cars that are 10 to 15 years older :-(
> 
> Thanks up front,
> 
> JAN van de Wouw
> Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
> Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...
> 
> DMC-12 "Dagger" since Sep. 2000
> 100NX "Saphire" since Nov. 2002
> 
> -------------------------------




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:53:50 -0000
From: "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_isd.net>
Subject: Re: Strange noise in enginebay

In addition to the idler bearings, you might also want to check the 
condition of the seals for the fuel injectors.  On the way to 
Memphis last year an owner had the retaining clip pop up, and the 
seal unseated slightly, resulting in an ear piercing whistle of a 
vacumme leak.  I have also noticed a lesser form of this whistle on 
a Maryland owner's car, and even my own 4 weeks ago when the engines 
were cold.  Just another thing to check.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> While driving this afternoon all of a sudden I heard a strange
> noise from the back, it sounded like a sort of "shrieky whistle"
> and increased with giving more throttle.





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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 01:07:13 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: re: Strange noise in enginebay

In a message dated 6/9/2003 2:02:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl 
writes:


> Could this "whislte" come from an exhaust gasket?
> 

When I had a similar problem it was the idler pulley wheel on the upper 
drivebelt going bad. When I had a leaky exhust gasket it wasn't a whistling sound, 
but...
Wayne
11174


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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:24:27 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Need headlight switch

Single action hazard switch is more simply engineered than double
action headlight switch. Should be longer lived. Plus is half purchase
price. That's why I used when rewiring exterior light circuit (button
graphics are interchangeable). Recommend same. Note that after
conversion, I have adjacent hazard switch to fall back on in case of
failure (keep a jumper in car for terminals 1 & 10 on hazard harness
-- turn signals).

#5939's photo album has pic of what can happen when factory headlight
switch fails. Almost lost the car from that one.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> You probably won't find one this way. This is a unique-to-the-
> Delorean part and has a pretty high failure rate. About $45 from the 
> DMC places last time I bought one. . . 
> 
> Dave <--on my third one including the original
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "nbrommer2k" <nickbrom_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> > Anyone out there have a spare headlight switch? Mine won't stay 
> > engaged in the "on" position. Decent condition is fine enough, as 
> > long as it works!
> > 
> > Nick




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:27:16 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Need headlight switch

Nick, I can normally repair them.
John hervey
www.specialTauto.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nbrommer2k [mailto:nickbrom_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:19 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Need headlight switch


Anyone out there have a spare headlight switch? Mine won't stay
engaged in the "on" position. Decent condition is fine enough, as
long as it works!

Nick



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:13:46 -0700
From: "Mike" <mquinto_at_dml_attbi.com>
Subject: LED Dash,Dome,Door

Hello Aaron,
Go to the photo section, I've added more pics and instructions on how to remove the dash. On a difficulty level between 1 and 5. (5 being the hardest) This would be a 2. 
Remember there are no mods what so ever. If you need further instruction send me an email.

I purchased my LED's from http://www.myroadster.net/led.asp they have the best prices.

I bought a total of 16 Hyper-Bright Bulbs for the dash.

6 Red Warning Lights - Hyper-brite Red -  #194HR 
5 Dash Illumination - Hyper-brite Red - #194HR 
1 Amber Fuel Light - Hyper-Brite Amber - #194HA 
3 Green Turn/Low Beam - Hyper-Brite White - #194HW 
1 Blue High Beam - Hyper-Brite White - #194HW 
 Note: the battery light will not work with the LED installed. Until the Load Equalizer arrives and I can get it to work I might not install it. So if you order yor light just forget that one for now, then you only need 15 total.

Also, you don't need to use red for your illumination, white works just as well. Blue would probably work too. But sorry haven't tested blue.

Those bulbs also can be used for your door lights. You would need 4 Hyper-bright Amber and 2 Hyper-brite Reds. The benefit, you can leave your doors open without worrying about killing the battery right away. 
One time I left my door ajar and the lights were on all night. The next afternoon (about 20 hours later) the car started no problem.

The LED dome Light arrived today, pretty cool. The LED's are pretty tiny but put out almost as much light as the stock ones. They are more of a darker white than the stock yellow illumination.
I ordered one to try it out for the interior. Now I will order the rest of them.

Dome Light interior Front- 44mm Long White 
Dome Light interior Shelf- 44mm Long White
Trunk Light- 44mm Long White 
Engine Light- 44mm Long White (should be 37mm but 44mm will fit)
License Plate Lights- 37mm Long White (2 required)
http://www.lightingresearch.com/leds/led_dome_lights.htm

Hope this helps,
Mike
Vin #1113 (the almost all LED DeLorean)

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:29:30 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Low end hesitation

Pull the fuel injectors and have them cleaned and tested. Replace the
seals when you reinstall. Double check that there are no vacuum leaks,
check the plug over the mixture screw for a leak. Check the timing and
the Lambda system. On the timing make sure the mechanical and the
vacuum advance is working. On the Lambda make sure it goes into
"closed loop" and is fluctuating . You may need to adjust the mixture
screw to get it right but not before you get everything else perfect.
Look under the intake to be sure the tube for the idle motor is in and
the "O" ring is seated and sealing. You might also want to change the
air filter.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> Since last fall, my car has been having some low-end hesitation 
> issues.  Those continued into this year, and resulted in mid-driving 
> misses that convinced me I could not make it back to MN from Chicago 
> 4 weeks ago (but I did).
> 
> I figured the reason was a worn out ignition system, as the car has 
> gone over 35,000 since the tuneup I gave it in spring of 2001.  This 
> past weekend, I gave the car its wanted tuneup.  I replaced the fuel 
> filter, Oxygen sensor, distributor cap/rotor, wires, plugs, and coil.
> 
> The car seemed to be running just fine this weekend when I was 





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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 04:03:01 -0000
From: "Jeff Phillips" <jeff.phillips_at_dml_scott.af.mil>
Subject: Special timing chain/camshaft tool J28858

Does anyone in the St Louis area have the special tool J28858 for 
holding the camshaft gear while removing the heads?  I've come to 
realize that this little gizmo could be really useful in my 
endeavour!  :)

Jeff Phillips
St Louis
#10544
314-773-0820




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