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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1541
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:49 AM

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There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. mouldarts delorean cast cars
From: ANDREWTITTENSOR_at_dml_AOL.COM

2. some people....
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>

3. Mats car and copyright
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: some people....
From: "Cynthia Hamm" <kynthos10_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Re: Canadian meet
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>

6. Speedo Angle Drive Question
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

7. Re: Special timing chain/camshaft tool J28858
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

8. RE: Re: Strange noise in enginebay
From: "michael townsley" <townfour_at_dml_mindspring.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:10:20 EDT
From: ANDREWTITTENSOR_at_dml_AOL.COM
Subject: mouldarts delorean cast cars

Hi,
if i may introduce myself.
my name is Andrew Tittensor, and i run Mouldart
<A HREF="www.mouldart.co.uk">www.mouldart.co.uk</A>
I produce cold cast pewter and cold cast bronze delorean cars 1/24th scale
(amongst other things)
i have recieved some great feedback over  a year or so,
they have been quite low key untill now,
i have recently started producing full time, and have the ability to produce 
many items in resin,
i also produced a real pewter delorean keyring (all gone now sorry)
please mail me if you would like to see an image of the delorean model
and feel free to ask for special commisions based on delorean merchandise.
bookends?, paperweights?, anything is possible.

regards
andy


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 21:05:52 -0700
From: "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_creeper.com>
Subject: some people....

Hey all,
        Last night a fellow DMC owner pointed out that there was a poster of
my car for sale on ebay.  The wheels had been digitally altered and all the
background was erased.  That "artist" was offering this as "Original artwork
by Michael Antoine."  This was actually a photograph taken of my car at
Memphis by Cindy Hamm.  Below are both the original link from Cindy's site
and the now defunct auction on ebay:

http://www.kynthos10.com/memphis/b1.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3527170241&category=20135

I emailed the seller asking who's car this was and where he got the photo
and he responded that it was from an ad online.  I advised him that it was
my car and since neither I nor Cindy had authorized this print and the fact
that he was claiming it as his own that I had contacted ebay to report this
as fraud.  Everyone will have a different opinion on how their car is to be
used or not....but because he was lying and claiming the work as his own I
felt I had to end the lie.  There was no money in this endeavor to be had,
but the fact that the person lied about where he got the photo and claimed
it was his original work really got to me so I made sure he knew I did not
give my permission for him to use my car in his work in anyway.  If you feel
a bit protective of your stuff I would advise you to watch out for things
like this.

Matthew
VINs 10365 and 16816




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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:34:15 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Mats car and copyright

I felt I had to respond to this after I checked it out and I have to agree 
with Matt that this photo has been lifted off the DeLorean Car Show Web page.

As most of you know we encourage the use of the photos and materials on the 
web page but in no other case has anyone ever claimed it was original and after 
being notified continue to do so.  

The seller is Zedder221 

Here are some of the items I noticed that tip it off as a copy not an 
original. 
and is taken from the e-mail I sent him.

>From my e-mail to Zedder221

Just to indicate the similarities these are these are some of the things we 
noticed about your "Original artwork"

The shadows are the same as the photographers photo of Matts car

The door strap is in the identical location on the drivers door and because 
of shadowing you missed it on the passengers side.

The shadow on the front facia is the same 

The light highlights on the drivers side rear quarter panel are the same

The lighting highlights on the drivers seat and rear compartment are the 
same.

The Shadow on the windshield is the same.

You missed the door strut on the passenger side.   Any DeLorean owner knows 
they are on the back.   All the errors are on the area that was deleted and 
brushed back.

There is a sun deflector in the windshield (this matches the picture)

Coincidentally the shadow on the hood matches 

The wheel spokes although altered the remaining ones line up exactly as they 
do on the photo.

The dark shadowing from the sun deflector is on this poster and unless it was 
the same car it is not probable it would have the same shadowing.   In your 
photo it should not be there.

Left front fender highlights are the same.

I'd love you to prove me wrong but I don't think so.

A copy of this is also being sent to e-bay along with the photos they already 
have

I am the last person to get picky on some of this stuff but this is blatant 
copyright violation and passing it off as original is wrong.  If it didn't say 
original I would not have written this.

Ken


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:48:10 -0000
From: "Cynthia Hamm" <kynthos10_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: some people....

Matt,

I want to thank you and your fellow DMC owner very much for bringing 
this to my attention.  I have also sent a complaint to eBay, and 
just so you know, I quoted you below about your emails with 
Michael.  I can only imagine what his 14*11 print looked like...and 
I hope that no one bought his "product" and if they did, I hope they 
are dissatisfied.  I will in the future be sure to put a "watermark" 
on my images to help prevent this sort of fraud.

Thanks again!
Cindy of CHamm Photography
(www.kynthos10.com)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Matthew P. Olans" <mpolans_at_dml_c...> 
wrote:
> Hey all,
>         Last night a fellow DMC owner pointed out that there was a 
poster of
> my car for sale on ebay.  The wheels had been digitally altered 
and all the
> background was erased.  That "artist" was offering this 
as "Original artwork
> by Michael Antoine."  This was actually a photograph taken of my 
car at
> Memphis by Cindy Hamm.  Below are both the original link from 
Cindy's site
> and the now defunct auction on ebay:
> 
> http://www.kynthos10.com/memphis/b1.jpg
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=3527170241&category=20135
> 
> I emailed the seller asking who's car this was and where he got 
the photo
> and he responded that it was from an ad online.  I advised him 
that it was
> my car and since neither I nor Cindy had authorized this print and 
the fact
> that he was claiming it as his own that I had contacted ebay to 
report this
> as fraud.  Everyone will have a different opinion on how their car 
is to be
> used or not....but because he was lying and claiming the work as 
his own I
> felt I had to end the lie.  There was no money in this endeavor to 
be had,
> but the fact that the person lied about where he got the photo and 
claimed
> it was his original work really got to me so I made sure he knew I 
did not
> give my permission for him to use my car in his work in anyway.  
If you feel
> a bit protective of your stuff I would advise you to watch out for 
things
> like this.
> 
> Matthew
> VINs 10365 and 16816




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:13:05 -0000
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Canadian meet

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Marvin" <marv_at_dml_p...> wrote:
> Last call!
> 
> This is the weekend for fun, freebies, and meeting people with
similar interests in sharing a dream and driving one! Come visit us in
Canada for a DeLorean cruise, show and shine. We are a short 2 hour
drive from Detroit.( or shorter, if you disregard the speed limit)
> 
> I have, on good information from a person on high, that the weather
will be perfect in Canada this coming weekend. ...

 Count me in!  I've been looking forward to this for months.  I have
one request from all DMC owners who come to London this weekend: 
Please don't laugh too much at my car .... lol!  Yes, it belongs in
the "You've Got To Be Joking" category, but I figure the more
Deloreans that show up, the better. All kidding aside, I encourage
everyone that is able, to come to London Ontario this Saturday. 
Marvin has a lot of activities planned for us and it is sure to be a
fun-filled weekend.

Richard Rowe
VIN 5853 



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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:21:26 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Speedo Angle Drive Question

Finally autopsied speedo. Right angle grears fine (yay!). Problem is
short cable that passes through spindle. Square cimp end is unwound
and mangled. In its infinite wisdom DMC wound in opposite direction of
predominant wheel rotation. All it takes is disturbance to one strand
and cable will destroy itself from wheel movement alone.

Wheel disc is fine BTW.

I've got angle drive off car but can't figure out how to remove short
cable from its gear. Does anyone know how to separate the two? If I
can remove short cable, will replace with cut down parts house cable.
More complicated back up plan otherwise -- will post if that's what it
comes to.

Bill Robertson
#5939





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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:25:51 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Special timing chain/camshaft tool J28858

See message #33406.

Rich Acuti is replacing head gaskets as we speak. Is using home made
sprocket holder of some sort. eMail him for details.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Phillips" <jeff.phillips_at_dml_s...>
wrote:
> Does anyone in the St Louis area have the special tool J28858 for 
> holding the camshaft gear while removing the heads?  I've come to 
> realize that this little gizmo could be really useful in my 
> endeavour!  :)
> 
> Jeff Phillips
> St Louis
> #10544
> 314-773-0820




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:59:38 -0400
From: "michael townsley" <townfour_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Strange noise in enginebay

I have a hissing sound in the cabin....that I especially notice when I pull
the car into the garage.....I thought it was coming form the a/c control
area but it may be something else. Other that the heater hose technique are
there other ways to detect or isolate vacuum leaks?

Michael W. Townsley, Principal
Townsley Consulting Group, LLC
2 Fox Hill Road
Old Saybrook, Connecticut 06475
860 304 2412
townfour_at_dml_mindspring.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Reeve [mailto:ultra_at_dml_isd.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:54 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Strange noise in enginebay

In addition to the idler bearings, you might also want to check the 
condition of the seals for the fuel injectors.  On the way to 
Memphis last year an owner had the retaining clip pop up, and the 
seal unseated slightly, resulting in an ear piercing whistle of a 
vacumme leak.  I have also noticed a lesser form of this whistle on 
a Maryland owner's car, and even my own 4 weeks ago when the engines 
were cold.  Just another thing to check.

Jim Reeve
MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
DMC-6960


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> While driving this afternoon all of a sudden I heard a strange
> noise from the back, it sounded like a sort of "shrieky whistle"
> and increased with giving more throttle.




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