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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1543
Date: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:31 AM

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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: DMC Houston Performance
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

2. RE: Speedo Angle Drive Question
From: darryl_at_dml_techline.com

3. Re: DMC Houston Performance
From: "apgiapgi" <clarkdmc_at_dml_belowmarketrent.com>

4. Re: Speedo Angle Drive Question
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

5. Re: cooling system is being a pain. Info would help please
From: "cdmcali" <cdmcali_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. RE: rough running
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

7. Re: Re: Speedo Angle Drive Question
From: Don Ekhoff <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

8. Angle Drive Cable Windings
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

9. Re: Eliminating Angle Drive
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

10. RE: rough running
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

11. RE: rough running
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

12. Re: Speedo Angle Drive Question
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

13. Re: Eliminating Angle Drive
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

14. Re: cooling system is being a pain. Info would help please
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

15. Receiver wiring harness equivalent
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>

16. Spark advance (UVO?!) hose
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

17. RE: Re: Speedo Angle Drive Question
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

18. Replacement Angle Drive (For Right Hand Drive?)
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

19. Re: Re: Eliminating Angle Drive
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

20. Re: Receiver wiring harness equivalent
From: <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>

21. Re: Eliminating Angle Drive
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

22. Re: Replacement Angle Drive (For Right Hand Drive?)
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:41:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: DMC Houston Performance

When I was at the 2001 SEDOC meet they were giving test drives of the upgraded cars. The exhaust note at idle is incredible sounding... it literally sounds like a v8 burble. But under hard acceleration the car sounded like a chainsaw on crack... LOL. I know I'll be getting the exhaust system as soon as my budget allows though. I've got a good excuse to splurge since I need new manifold gaskets anyways... haha!

Louie Golden
VIN 10115 Sanford, NC

--- "C. C. Cameron Putsch" <putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu> wrote:
>I am curious to know the opinion of someone who has either the DMC Houston performance engine or the new exhaust as to how it sounds.

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 08:48:12 -0700
From: darryl_at_dml_techline.com
Subject: RE: Speedo Angle Drive Question


Don, regarding one-piece speedo cables which eliminate the lambda counter - a 
few years ago I had some made up but there was little interest in them.  I 
still have one left if you are interested, for $59.95 plus $3.85 Priority 
postage.  It is braided stainless steel, Teflon lined, just like my regular 
custom cables.

Also, to the person who asked about eliminating the angle drive altogether, 
that would be difficult for several reasons.  One, the nut that holds the angle 
drive also retains the spindle in the steering upright/knuckle.  Not something 
you want to replace with a pot-metal speedo cable nut.  Second, there is not 
enough clearance for a single cable to exit the spindle and point back to the 
firewall.  But mainly, the angle drive is not a 1:1 ratio so without it your 
speedo would no longer be accurate.

Darryl Tinnerstet
Specialty Automotive
darryl_at_dml_delorean-parts.com


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:50:08 -0000
From: "apgiapgi" <clarkdmc_at_dml_belowmarketrent.com>
Subject: Re: DMC Houston Performance

I spent about a week at the DMC Houston center while my car had 
about $10,000 of repairs/upgrades made (not exhaust or engine 
performance-related...just things that needed fixing or that 
improved daily-driver reliability).  I was able to listen to (and 
drive) two individual cars that sported the performance exhaust that 
DMC Houston sells.  BTW, in each of these cars, the whole DMC 
Houston engine upgrade had been done, not just the exhaust system 
upgrade.  

The overall effect was that the exhaust had a very nice deep, 
throaty tone.  Another thing I liked was the effect of the 
performance cam upgrade on the exhaust sound (a loping, 60's muscle 
car sound).  I definitely liked the tone of the new exhaust, and 
prefer it over the stock quiet system.  It was louder (than stock) 
inside the passenger compartment, but you could hold a conversation 
over it unless you were really stomping the accelerator.  Remember 
that you will be listening to a 6-cylinder engine, not an 8-cylinder 
engine that I associate with 60's muscle cars; the effect is very 
similar but not exactly identical.  It's definitely cool, though.

I have also decided, because I liked the way the new exhaust sounded 
to me, that eventually I will get the new exhaust system, whether or 
not I go with any other engine upgrades.

Clark
vin 4072


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "C. C. Cameron Putsch" 
<putsch.1_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> I am curious to know the opinion of someone who has either the DMC 
Houston performance engine or the new exhaust as to how it sounds. 
If you have just the exhaust how does it sound and does it make much 
of a difference?
> 
> Sincerely, Casey at putsch.1_at_dml_o... 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:12:33 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: Re: Speedo Angle Drive Question

Are you sure about this? I have an original in my hand here and the cable
that protrudes from the angle drive IS wound in the direction of predominant
wheel rotation (forward). If you have something different, that's not how
it's supposed to be.

James

Bill Robertson wrote:
> In its infinite wisdom DMC wound in opposite direction of
> predominant wheel rotation. All it takes is disturbance to one strand
> and cable will destroy itself from wheel movement alone.




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:06:55 -0000
From: "cdmcali" <cdmcali_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: cooling system is being a pain. Info would help please

how do I verify the gauge is correct?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> 
wrote:
> Stick in a new thermostat. If you get good readings on the second
> thermostat, chances are gauge is correct.
> 
> Car comes with two bleed lines: at high points of radiator and block
> (via heater core supply). These purge air continuously. Is a bleeder
> valve at high point of whole system (under thermostat), but is not a
> continuous purge. What many owners do is replace that valve with a
> hose barb and run one more bleed line to a tee inserted where block
> bleed empties into coolant expansion bottle. With all high points 
thus
> covered, all you have to do is fill (remember: 50/50 mixture cools
> better than pure antifreeze) and run the engine. System will bleed 
itself.
> 
> While you're working on cooling system, don't overlook what may be
> factory original hoses and seals, especially in hidden or hard to
> reach places.
> 
> John Hervey (www.specialtauto.com) sells otterstats with variety of
> temperature ratings.
> 
> PRV runs surprisingly warm. Long after engine shut down you're still
> burning your fingers. After you've verified gauge reading correct 
(and
> cooling system purged of air) rely on it, not radiant heat from the 
block.
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:18:59 -0500
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: rough running

I found a rotting and loose vacuum hose on the UVO (unidentified vacuum
object) on the distributer. I stuck it back on and it's slightly better.
So... I need to order a bunch of that little stuff and start replacing a lot
of it, probably. What is the OD/ID of our vacuum hose? Does anyone offer
nice pretty hoses?

For anyone with the braided metal-exterior hose (sleeved or otherwise): how
hard is it to keep clean? It would look nice clean, but I imagine would get
dirty-ugly quick.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hervey [mailto:john_at_dml_specialtauto.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:47 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] rough running


Kevin, Most likly it's condensation in the distributor cap or water in the
spark plug wells.
John Hervey


-----Original Message-----
From: K. Creason [mailto:dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:38 PM
To: Dmc /dml
Subject: [DML] rough running


I went home sick the other day and ended up leaving the car out all night,
which is unusual for me. It's out all day through all kinds of weather, but
never all night.
The very next day (Tuesday) it started running rough. It's VERY noticeable
with the A/C on, not so bad with it off. Cold starts are much worse than
warmed up.
Gas smell can be kind of strong after the cold starts.
About a month ago I did the distributer cap, rotor, plugs, wires, o2 sensor,
and coil. I adjusted the timing and leaned out the gas a bit.
She has around 32,500 miles.

It's very hot and humid here. I'm thinking condensation and grounds.
So I'll start with the ground points tonight. Any other ideas?

-Kevin
#4687
Clear Lake City, TX



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:47:29 -0700
From: Don Ekhoff <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Speedo Angle Drive Question

James Espey wrote:


Mine came apart on the first drive of the season this year for no 
appearent reason.  What was odd was that it failed in two ways:  1)  the 
square end unraveled just as Bill described.  2)  The angle drive end 
spun itself out of the gear press fit.  What this means is that one 
failure was excess torque in the proper direction and the other in the 
wrong direction.  I'm thinking I must have been backing out of the 
garage when one failure occured, probably the square end. 

Don Ekhoff
6543


>Are you sure about this? I have an original in my hand here and the cable
>that protrudes from the angle drive IS wound in the direction of predominant
>wheel rotation (forward). If you have something different, that's not how
>it's supposed to be.
>
>James
>
>Bill Robertson wrote:
>  
>
>>In its infinite wisdom DMC wound in opposite direction of
>>predominant wheel rotation. All it takes is disturbance to one strand
>>and cable will destroy itself from wheel movement alone.
>>    
>>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:47:25 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Angle Drive Cable Windings

Nope: mine is wound like a left handed bolt -- "threads" angle from
right front to left rear. After reading replacement procedure for this
cable, am convinced to try splicing a new end on first. Couldn't work
any worse...

Have test fitted tension spring I'd like to use in splice. Is wound in
other direction, so threads on without too much difficulty, but
catches cut loose ends of outer cable windings when removed (counter
clockwise -- same direction as wheel rotation). That must be what
wheel disc did (something compromised outer windings and at 80 mph
wheel did rest).

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, James Espey <james_at_dml_u...> wrote:
> Are you sure about this? I have an original in my hand here and the
cable
> that protrudes from the angle drive IS wound in the direction of
predominant
> wheel rotation (forward). If you have something different, that's
not how
> it's supposed to be.
> 
> James
> 
> Bill Robertson wrote:
> > In its infinite wisdom DMC wound in opposite direction of
> > predominant wheel rotation. All it takes is disturbance to one strand
> > and cable will destroy itself from wheel movement alone.




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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:03:33 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Eliminating Angle Drive

Plus I now see is not enough clearance around front spring and shock.
I was just wishful thinking at the office (posting to DML when I
should be working?).

BTW: envisioned new spindle mounting nut with cable secured similar to
angle drive mount (smaller hole obviously), not a traditional speedo
cable ring.

Dave Swingle claims is existing speedo mount on transmission already.
Turned around backwards of course, but if I rig up some intermediate
gears to reverse rotation... (just kidding folks -- am going to try to
repair angle drive. Will post results)

Bill Robertson
#5939

>Also, to the person who asked about eliminating the angle drive
altogether,
>that would be difficult for several reasons. One, the nut that holds
the angle
>drive also retains the spindle in the steering upright/knuckle. Not
something
>you want to replace with a pot-metal speedo cable nut. Second, there
is not
>enough clearance for a single cable to exit the spindle and point
back to the
>firewall. But mainly, the angle drive is not a 1:1 ratio so without
it your
>speedo would no longer be accurate.






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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:40:09 -0500
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: rough running

OK-
After I got home I was able to forcefully and successfully remove the
rotting piece of hose in one piece, took it to O'Reilly and got a
replacement.
With proper suction on the spark advance doohickey (UVO... :) it noticeably
mo' better.

I look forward to comments about prettier hoses. (not hosiery!)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hervey [mailto:john_at_dml_specialtauto.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:47 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] rough running


Kevin, Most likly it's condensation in the distributor cap or water in the
spark plug wells.
John Hervey


-----Original Message-----
From: K. Creason [mailto:dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:38 PM
To: Dmc /dml
Subject: [DML] rough running


I went home sick the other day and ended up leaving the car out all night,
which is unusual for me. It's out all day through all kinds of weather, but
never all night.
The very next day (Tuesday) it started running rough. It's VERY noticeable
with the A/C on, not so bad with it off. Cold starts are much worse than
warmed up.
Gas smell can be kind of strong after the cold starts.
About a month ago I did the distributer cap, rotor, plugs, wires, o2 sensor,
and coil. I adjusted the timing and leaned out the gas a bit.
She has around 32,500 miles.

It's very hot and humid here. I'm thinking condensation and grounds.
So I'll start with the ground points tonight. Any other ideas?

-Kevin
#4687
Clear Lake City, TX



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:49:12 -0500
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: rough running

oh, and I still don't know what the size is! darn receipt doesn't spell it
out.
But, hitting the web with part # indicates it is probably a Gates #27002,
which is 1/4" fuel hose.
Sounds about right.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Hervey [mailto:john_at_dml_specialtauto.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:47 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DML] rough running


Kevin, Most likly it's condensation in the distributor cap or water in the
spark plug wells.
John Hervey


-----Original Message-----
From: K. Creason [mailto:dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:38 PM
To: Dmc /dml
Subject: [DML] rough running


I went home sick the other day and ended up leaving the car out all night,
which is unusual for me. It's out all day through all kinds of weather, but
never all night.
The very next day (Tuesday) it started running rough. It's VERY noticeable
with the A/C on, not so bad with it off. Cold starts are much worse than
warmed up.
Gas smell can be kind of strong after the cold starts.
About a month ago I did the distributer cap, rotor, plugs, wires, o2 sensor,
and coil. I adjusted the timing and leaned out the gas a bit.
She has around 32,500 miles.

It's very hot and humid here. I'm thinking condensation and grounds.
So I'll start with the ground points tonight. Any other ideas?

-Kevin
#4687
Clear Lake City, TX



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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:44:32 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Speedo Angle Drive Question

Bill

Are you sure that the cable was not a replacement itself. Once upon 
a time I was going to replace the inner cable because of a crimp - 
so, when I got ready to put it in I noticed the new one was in fact 
wound the wrong way - the original one was not. After some checking 
I discovered that they come both ways depending on the application 
(I had gotten a universal cable that comes with a cute plastic end 
with some epoxy to hold it in place). I could not find a universal 
that was wound the correct way and eventually went with the OEM 
replacement, which was wound the correct direction.

Harold McElraft - 3354

-- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> 
wrote:
> Finally autopsied speedo. Right angle grears fine (yay!). Problem 
is
> short cable that passes through spindle. Square cimp end is unwound
> and mangled. In its infinite wisdom DMC wound in opposite 
direction of
> predominant wheel rotation. All it takes is disturbance to one 
strand
> and cable will destroy itself from wheel movement alone.
> 
> Wheel disc is fine BTW.
> 
> I've got angle drive off car but can't figure out how to remove 
short
> cable from its gear. Does anyone know how to separate the two? If I
> can remove short cable, will replace with cut down parts house 
cable.
> More complicated back up plan otherwise -- will post if that's 
what it
> comes to.
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939




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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:21:48 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Eliminating Angle Drive

My idea for eliminating the angle drive would be to remove the angle
drive and have a photo-optic transducer in it's place driven by the
square shaft that used to turn the angle drive. This would make the
speedo electronic to interface with a digital dashboard like a Dakota.
You would lose the Lambda counter but I am sure you could duplicate it
with a digital counter in the speedo and light a light as a reminder.
Of course it is cheaper to just stay with the stock set-up even though
the angle drive is pricey. Make sure you have the lower cable support
bracket to keep the cable from hanging and everything should last a
long time if you lubricate it once in a while.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> Plus I now see is not enough clearance around front spring and shock.
> I was just wishful thinking at the office (posting to DML when I
> should be working?).
> 
> BTW: envisioned new spindle mounting nut with cable secured similar to
> angle drive mount (smaller hole obviously), not a traditional speedo
> cable ring.
> 
> Dave Swingle claims is existing speedo mount on transmission already.





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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:12:41 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: cooling system is being a pain. Info would help please

A handy way to check temperatures quickly are the new non-contact
thermometers. You can pick one up for as low as $50. They sell them
mail order, and at auto stores and A/C wholesalers.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cdmcali" <cdmcali_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> how do I verify the gauge is correct?
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> 
> wrote:
> > Stick in a new thermostat. If you get good readings on the second
> > thermostat, chances are gauge is correct.
> > 
> > Car comes with two bleed lines: at high points of radiator and block
> 




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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:27:41 -0000
From: "ksgrimsr" <knut.s.grimsrud_at_dml_intel.com>
Subject: Receiver wiring harness equivalent

I've finally decided to break down and replace the stereo in my daily-
driver car with something from the current century.

I've purchased from Crutchfield before, and one thing they offer as a 
freebie is a wiring harness connector that can be used to connect the 
new receiver into the existing harness without having to hack 
everything to bits. They have a selection of over 100 such little 
connector sets to choose from.

Alas, the DeLorean is not listed as a recognized vehicle (not an 
unusual occurrence for most DeLorean owners), so which wiring harness 
freebie to take advantage of to splice into the existing harness is 
not obvious.

Does anyone know whether the wiring harness connector for the in-dash 
recceiver for the '83 model (ASI receiver) was also used in any 
mainstream vehicle? Of the 100+ solutions offered, it would be 
convenient if one of them had a compatible connector that could be 
used to avoid hacking up the DMC's wiring harness.

      Knut





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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:30:25 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Spark advance (UVO?!) hose

Unidentified Vacuum Object is the spark advance diaphragm. Moves rotor
button farther from cylinder top at higher RPM's.

If my R30 is representative, 3/16" hose works excellent. You don't
want pretty hose -- you want tough hose. Environment is harsh in
normal engine  compartment. In DeLo is positively brutal. HOT. No air
circulation. If you intend to drive the car, get the toughest 3/16"
hose available.

For years I have used fuel line hose in vacuum applications. Holds up
excellent. IMHO looks pretty good too (I'll repost larger pic of upper
air assembly to #5939's photo album. That's my spark advance takeoff,
using fuel line hose, just before throttle plates -- R30 configured a
little differently than stock DeLorean).

Speaking of which: you should not feel any vacuum in line to spark
advance diaphragm at idle. Stock DeLo uses solenoid to shut off until
throttle plates open. If you've got vacuum to diaphragm at idle,
engine is horribly over advanced. Won't really idle unless you over
retard distributor body or over enrich fuel mixture, either of which
will kill performance as throttle plates open.

Note also stock DeLo has vacuum lines to control pressure regulator
and a delay valve, all of which must work properly -- as soon as
throttle plates open full vacuum is shot to spark advance diaphragm.
Is one heck of a jump in ignition time. At previous fuel mixture
you'll get predetonation (spark knock/valve clatter). To compensate
DeLo briefly enriches fuel mixture at CPR . By the time delay valve
equalizes vacuum in the CPR, vacuum spike at spark advance diaphragm
is over. 
Complicated, eh?

IMHO whole arrangement can be simplified greatly (actually, that's
what Renault did with R30):
1) Remove vacuum from CPR. Then becomes warm up regulator only.
2) Move spark advance before throttle plates (like a carburetor). Will
get moderate advance only in time with throttle plate action.

BTW: Extent of my vacuum system is:
-Direct line from upper air assembly to spark advance
-Big line from passenger intake rail to vacuum canister and front of
car (plus little line back to heater core shutoff valve)
-Auxiliary air valve (for fast idle) engineered from BMW between upper
air assembly and cold start tube (I moved from original installation
at driver intake rail for balance)
That's it. Beautifully simple.

Bill Robertson
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:48:47 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Speedo Angle Drive Question

Why can't the small cable be made from a flexable solid material. Why does
it have to be like the bicycle cable with squared and soldered ends.Surley
it doesn't have to move over an 1/8" or less.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: Harold McElraft [mailto:hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:45 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Speedo Angle Drive Question


Bill

Are you sure that the cable was not a replacement itself. Once upon
a time I was going to replace the inner cable because of a crimp -
so, when I got ready to put it in I noticed the new one was in fact
wound the wrong way - the original one was not. After some checking
I discovered that they come both ways depending on the application
(I had gotten a universal cable that comes with a cute plastic end
with some epoxy to hold it in place). I could not find a universal
that was wound the correct way and eventually went with the OEM
replacement, which was wound the correct direction.

Harold McElraft - 3354

-- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...>
wrote:
> Finally autopsied speedo. Right angle grears fine (yay!). Problem
is
> short cable that passes through spindle. Square cimp end is unwound
> and mangled. In its infinite wisdom DMC wound in opposite
direction of
> predominant wheel rotation. All it takes is disturbance to one
strand
> and cable will destroy itself from wheel movement alone.
>
> Wheel disc is fine BTW.
>
> I've got angle drive off car but can't figure out how to remove
short
> cable from its gear. Does anyone know how to separate the two? If I
> can remove short cable, will replace with cut down parts house
cable.
> More complicated back up plan otherwise -- will post if that's
what it
> comes to.
>
> Bill Robertson
> #5939



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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:41:12 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Replacement Angle Drive (For Right Hand Drive?)

Could well be. Entire engine is a replacement, so I wouldn't put it
past PO.

Does anyone know if replacement angle drives were once offered with
cables wound in wrong direction? 

My housing is labeled "Smith Motor Accessories Ltd, England" Part
#862401/11.

Hey! Wait a minute! If my angle drive was designed for a speedo on
RIGHT side of car (driven by PASSENGER wheel), would be wound
correctly. Do I have a right hand drive angle drive?

BTW: Am having difficult time locating cable with 1/8" square end.
Even struck out at local truck repair facility. Have a backup idea
that should generate untold controversy... (watch this space...)

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Bill
> 
> Are you sure that the cable was not a replacement itself. Once upon 
> a time I was going to replace the inner cable because of a crimp - 
> so, when I got ready to put it in I noticed the new one was in fact 
> wound the wrong way - the original one was not. After some checking 
> I discovered that they come both ways depending on the application 
> (I had gotten a universal cable that comes with a cute plastic end 
> with some epoxy to hold it in place). I could not find a universal 
> that was wound the correct way and eventually went with the OEM 
> replacement, which was wound the correct direction.
> 
> Harold McElraft - 3354
> 
> -- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> 
> wrote:
> > Finally autopsied speedo. Right angle grears fine (yay!). Problem 
> is
> > short cable that passes through spindle. Square cimp end is unwound
> > and mangled. In its infinite wisdom DMC wound in opposite 
> direction of
> > predominant wheel rotation. All it takes is disturbance to one 
> strand
> > and cable will destroy itself from wheel movement alone.
> > 
> > Wheel disc is fine BTW.
> > 
> > I've got angle drive off car but can't figure out how to remove 
> short
> > cable from its gear. Does anyone know how to separate the two? If I
> > can remove short cable, will replace with cut down parts house 
> cable.
> > More complicated back up plan otherwise -- will post if that's 
> what it
> > comes to.
> > 
> > Bill Robertson
> > #5939




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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:21:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Eliminating Angle Drive

While we're on the subject of eliminating the angle
drive altogether and going to an electric speedo, why
not use the original speedo drive point on the
transmission?  An electronic sensor that's just
counting teeth on a trigger wheel wouldn't care which
direction it's rotating.  Would it?

This was the first I'd heard of there being an unused
speedo output on the tranny.  Can someone point me to
it?  (Anybody have a picture?)  I will be using an
electronic speedo on 02650 and would rather mount the
sending unit to the tranny rather than the front
spindle.  I'll happily post the process/results on the
website.

Thanks

=====
Steve

VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean")
www.projectdelorean.com

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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:50:00 +0000
From: <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Receiver wiring harness equivalent

Knut

Is this what you are looking for?

http://www.midstatedmc.com/parts/radioplug.html

Regards

Chris S



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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:03:19 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Eliminating Angle Drive

It's a little more complicated than that. On the side of the trans 
(actually the differential housing) there is what appears to be a 
freeze plug. Immediately behind that is the back side of the ring 
gear (i.e. the side without teeth). It would be possible to put some 
kind of sensor in that hole, but the hairy part is that you'd have to 
put something to count (teeth, magnets, etc) on the ring gear 
carrier. There is nothing in place. 

This is very similar to electronic tach applications used in other 
cars, BMW for example uses a pickup on the diff housing to read the 
ring gear rotation. 

In the "other" application of the DMC Renault trans recall that the 
ring gear is flipped over. I suppose that there is something 
installed in that application to drive the speedo, but I've never 
taken apart a Fuego trans to see what. 

Honestly it would be easier to put a transducer on one of the inner 
CV joints (like many aftermarket cruise controls).


Dave S

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Steve Stankiewicz 
<protodelorean_at_dml_y...> wrote:

> This was the first I'd heard of there being an unused
> speedo output on the tranny.  Can someone point me to
> it?  (Anybody have a picture?)  I will be using an
> electronic speedo on 02650 and would rather mount the
> sending unit to the tranny rather than the front
> spindle.  I'll happily post the process/results on the
> website.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> =====
> Steve




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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:06:35 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Replacement Angle Drive (For Right Hand Drive?)

Probably beat you to it.......When I got my car, I saw that the prior 
owner had replaced that short piece of cable with a hunk of 1/8" 
welding rod cut and ground to the right dimensions. Actually worked 
pretty well until the housing of the angle drive broke. I had no idea 
that this was not the original design until the new one arrived.

Dave S

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> 
wrote:
>-----
> 
> BTW: Am having difficult time locating cable with 1/8" square end.
> Even struck out at local truck repair facility. Have a backup idea
> that should generate untold controversy... (watch this space...)
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939





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