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Date: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:16 AM

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There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Fuel injector cleaners in gas tank ----Noooooo don't do it!
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>

2. Re: Engine Setup References... for Scope machine
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>

3. RE: Marv Stein's "Show & Shine" (London, Ontario)

4. RE: Anybody have the turbos? where? how much are they?
From: Pete Berveiler <>

5. AC works!
From: "phoenix00622002" <>

6. Re: Re: Fuel injector cleaners in gas tank ----Noooooo don't do it!
From: jordan rubin <>

7. SpecialTAuto
From: "Rustproof" <>

8. white smoke

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:24:16 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>
Subject: Re: Fuel injector cleaners in gas tank ----Noooooo don't do it!

A local owner's car wasn't running good so he also tried fuel injector
cleaner. The car is now at P.J. Grady's because it won't run. I agree
that unless the car has been used regularly or at least had cleaner
used previuosly you should avoid it as a quick fix. Modern fuel will
slowly remove the deposits if the car is used regularly. As for the
fuel injectors plugging up they were probably already in need of
cleaning or replacement which is why there is the temptation to "fix"
a rough running motor with "Magic in a Bottle". On the cars I have
worked on even though the injectors sprayed like cr-p, after I cleaned
them they worked fine. IMHO you shouldn't have to replace the fuel
injectors, just clean them and replace the rubber seals which become
hard and shrink causing air leaks. Replace any missing or broken
retaining clips and use new copper gaskets. It isn't just the spring
that causes the problem, I think most of the trouble is caused by the
dirt and deposits that build up on the seat inside preventing the
injector from spraying right and closing completely. While you have
the injectors out always check the #'s on them, someone may have
replaced 1 or more with the wrong one! They may look alike on the
outside but can work very differently!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:28:33 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>
Subject: Re: Engine Setup References... for Scope machine

I would think what type of scope has some effect on the settings. Try
any 6 cylinder engine. For the specs on the exhaust look up the #'s in
the Workshop Manual. If you do make sure that you measure at the ports
AHEAD of the catalytic converter as per the setup in the Manual. BTW
do you mean exhaust gas analyzer instead of "scope".
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In, <ken_at_dml_o...> wrote:
> Just wondering. I was trying to setup the D on a scope to measure the
> exhaust and set the mixture.


Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:58:02 -0500
Subject: RE: Marv Stein's "Show & Shine" (London, Ontario)

"Thank you" to Marvin & Lynne for their hospitality and hard work
organizing the "Show & Shine" event.  We had a wonderful weekend in
Canada!!!!  It was so good to meet up with many friendly and familiar
faces again, and make new friends too.

The water under the Ambassador Bridge at the border (from Detroit) is a
beautiful blue... unlike our water down the "muddy" Mississippi River
here in the St. Louis area.  We can't wait to see Lake Heron in 2005!

Everything went smoothly, including keeping all of the cars together
through traffic and lights.  It's amazing that no one got lost or left
behind, and was nice when some of us were separated for a short time, we
knew the rest of the caravan would be waiting up ahead.

The variety of appetizers at G.T.'s grill on the beach was a great touch
and it worked so well for the group.

If you didn't hear about a few of us that sneaked out to the casino
Saturday night, Albert Kirk (Ohio) was the big winner, and he was kind
enough to pay for breakfast for all on Sunday.  (Nice surprise, BIG

Thanks again,
>From The Wester Family -
Ron, Cheryl, Erica & Jaime
St. Peters, MO


Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:59:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pete Berveiler <>
Subject: RE: Anybody have the turbos? where? how much are they?

Has anyone contacted DMCH about their proposed Stage
II and Stage III upgrades to see when they will be
available recently?  I know the Stage I with
crate-engine swap is $6500 and you get 197HP
gauranteed.  The we-do-it-to-your-motor cost was about
$4995 I believe.

I THINK i remember Stage II as a intake manifold and
throttle body swap to let it breathe in naturally
better... and Stage III was SUPPOSED to be a new set
of 4v heads... I may be mistaken tho.. anyone have any



Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:51:16 -0000
From: "phoenix00622002" <>
Subject: AC works!

Hello, I just wanted to say thank you to everyone that gave us advice 
on the AC. All it needed was a charge. Also it seems with use the 
doors seem to stay up better. We are still looking forward to a get 
together with everyone and see if the doors still need a little 


Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <>
Subject: Re: Re: Fuel injector cleaners in gas tank ----Noooooo don't do it!

Thanx for the warning ill put that on hold.  I hear
about this pattern tester for the injectors, does
bosch or volvo have one of these.  If one of my
injectors turns out to be no good, do i goto volvo new

Im not having any such problems as of now but im
slowly working through the engine and will hit it
sooner or later.


jordan 11613


Message: 7
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:49:41 -0400
From: "Rustproof" <>
Subject: SpecialTAuto

I have made a few purchases from John Hervey ( the last few months and I have to say that he's running a class act over there. Whether it's a freebee part to go along with your order or perhaps some advice getting something fixed, he always goes the extra mile. I'm not one for plugging anyone's business but if you need something for your D, you really should give him a try. His prices are right and delivers in a flash!
Vin #1559 

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:09:36 EDT
Subject: white smoke

I just had my IHI turbos rebuilt and replaced them this week. The car had 
been sitting for about a year but started right up. Fresh oil new plugs etc. 
After running for a few minutes it started blowing white smoke out both pipes. At 
first I thought maybe it was burning up some old gas(it did have stablizer in 
it) but it kept getting worse, especially if I stepped on the gas. The car 
never got hot but did start to heat up. that's when I shut it off. There is no 
water in the oil and it seemed to run ok. The only smoke prior to the turbo 
rebuild was from the oil leak in the turbos,that is gone now. There doesn't seem 
to be any smell to the smoke. Is this a head gasket leak if so how do I know 
before going through all that work.    


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