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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Bricklin for sale(motivated seller)
From: "jlwncw" <>

2. Re: white smoke
From: Martin Gutkowski <>

3. Re: Anybody have the turbos? where? how much are they?

4. Re: Re: Fuel injector cleaners in gas tank ----Noooooo don't do it!

5. door issues

6. Re: Fuel injector cleaners in gas tank ----Noooooo don't do it!
From: "therealdmcvegas" <>

7. Re: white smoke
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>

8. RE: Re: Fuel injector cleaners in gas tank ----Noooooo don't do it!
From: "John Hervey" <>

9. Show in Pasadena Maryland
From: "Jeremy D." <>

10. Re: Marv Stein's "Show & Shine" (London, Ontario)
From: "James LaLonde" <>

11. one of John DeLorean's Golfing Buddies
From: Shannon Yocom <>

12. Re: Anybody have the turbos? where? how much are they?
From: "mikepolzin" <>

13. Re: white smoke
From: Don Ekhoff <>

14. RE: door issues
From: Travis Goodwin <>

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:05:23 -0000
From: "jlwncw" <>
Subject: Bricklin for sale(motivated seller)

Hello fellow gullwingers,
   I have a great deal on an awesome bricklin.Pictures can be seen at 

VIN 1976-Black-50K orig.miles,black int.w/new carpet,custom seats 
w/new seat
covers,Panasonic stereo w/JBL speakers,red backlit gauges,custom 
gauge pod
on A-pillar w/trans.temp. and air/fuel ratio gauges,relocated A/C,air doors w/Terry Tanner electric compressor and
filter/lubricator,alarm system w/remote operating doors,new
weatherstripping,Terry Tanner hood pull-downs,hi-amp alternator 
regulator and two batteries,battery disconnect safety switch,electric 
w/auto thermostat,High Performance 351Windsor w/MSD ignition,rev
limiter,coil,spiral core wires and AC Rapidfire plugs,dual-plane
alum.intake,chrome plated Holley carb.,custom headers w/plug wire
guards,dual exhaust w/X-pipe,Flowtech mufflers and chrome tips,6-pass 
cooler w/large dual filters,AOD transmission w/independent fluid 
cooler and
external spin-on filter,updated higher capacity master 
alloy wheels w/wheel locks,new tires,KYB suspension and aluminum 
shock tower
brace for excellent handling,concealed receiver hitch and rear air
shocks,custom lightweight front nosepiece,many more extras,have 
receipts and
documents from former owners,Fast and comfortable crowd-gathering 
overheating,no air system leaks,great gas mileage,Asking $9600 or 
trade for
family car or SUV,John White (828)694-1311;Hendersonville,NC


Message: 2
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:49:10 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <>
Subject: Re: white smoke

The way the turbos are set up to work on the Island kit means thay have 
to suck the air down through the metering flap exposing the impeller to 
quite high vacuum (such is the nature of K-Jet). In a proper turbo 
application, the metering flap should come AFTER the blower. I would 
suspect your turbos simply because that was the last thing you toyed 
with. However, I know one thing that will blow clouds of white smoke 
that isn't particularly smelly and that's a ruptured brake servo causing 
brake fluid to be drawn down the vacuum line and burnt in the engine. 
I've seen it on a Right-hander with a secondary servo in the rear.



Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:31:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Anybody have the turbos? where? how much are they?

If anyone has interest in one of the Island Twin Turbo Kits, drop me an
E-mail privately. I have a good used one here that I might be willing to
part with.



Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:49:10 EDT
Subject: Re: Re: Fuel injector cleaners in gas tank ----Noooooo don't do it!

I would like to share my experiences on this subject.  

One must have an understanding in how to use the fuel injector cleaner.  I 
have used fuel injector cleaner in my DeLorean and other cars every 1,000 miles 
with no problems.  

One thing to keep in mind is NOT to let the fuel cleaner to sit over a day's 
time in the fuel tank and the system.  One should plan to use the mixed 
solution right away, such as in a long trip that is nonstop.  This way, all of the 
mixed solution will be consumed in the tank.  This process will allow the 
cleaner in the fuel to work its work moderately and not to over clean by removing 
the varnish, sludge and other fuel waste by product in concentrated amounts as 
it will do when it just sits in the tank for a period of time over a day.

I have traveled close to 90,000 miles using cleaner every 1,000 miles since 
my ownership of my DeLorean with no problems with fuel injector cleaner.  I do 
feel a difference after using it -- The engine does run better.

Kayo Ong
Lic 9D NY

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:50:56 EDT
Subject: door issues

I just got my doors all fixed with a new Lockzilla and solenoids and a 
keyless entry and it works perfect everytime...except. The only problem I have is on 
my passenger door  when I unlock the door and open and close it and then try 
to reopen it.....

I will use a ficticious story to help illustrate....

Lets say I am taking Jennifer Anniston out (my wife does not read the DML so 
I can write this :-) and she gets out of the car...She then realizes she 
forgot her purse (because of course she would be paying :-)  If I try and reopen 
the door a second time it hangs up on the front latch and will not open.

This makes no sense to me becasue I did not do anything except close the door 
and reopen it. So I am guessing something internally is happening after its 

If I hit the "lock" button and then "unlock" it will work again but then get 
stuck when I reopen.....any ideas? I am guessing I need an adjustment inside 
doors for the front latch rod or mechanism.

Mike C

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:49:17 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <>
Subject: Re: Fuel injector cleaners in gas tank ----Noooooo don't do it!

--- In, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> wrote:
> A local owner's car wasn't running good so he also tried fuel injector
> cleaner. The car is now at P.J. Grady's because it won't run. I agree
> that unless the car has been used regularly or at least had cleaner
> used previuosly you should avoid it as a quick fix. Modern fuel will
> slowly remove the deposits if the car is used regularly.

Not just with the DeLorean, but with other cars that I've owned, have I had this 
problem too. Even with my D 2 months ago, detergents only made the problem worse 
(although I must say that the engine had quite a bit more power to it after pouring in 
some denatured alcohol). Case in point. I had a 97 Hyundai Accent a few years ago, 
that I purchased brand new. After about 18 months or so, I tried pouring in some STP 
fuel injector cleaner to try and prevent anything from happening. 2 days later, the car 
had no power. It took 3 months or so or regular driving to get the accelleration 
normal again. Another great one was with a 95 Dakota pickup truck I had. I poured in 
some Chemtool, and about a month or so later, the fuel pump seized up.

And just earlier this year when I tried running thru chemical cleaners when my 
DeLorean failed smog, it made the engine much worse. Eventually, I did pass smog, 
after a new set of fuel injectors, and a good blowing out of the lines. Ever since, no 
problems at all, and quite a noticeable difference in power from the motor. Looking 
back on it, it was about aroumd the time that I poured a bottle of cleaner in back in 
December, that I began to have problems.

As it turned out, my fuel injectors were severly clogged. And according to my 
mechanic, #6 was dribbling out. This on injectors that were 3 years old, and had 
around 26K miles or so on them. My mechanic asked me if I was running cheap gas. I 
said no, but I had used the cleaners. And in his words, as long as I run premium 
gasoline (read: name brand, NOT high octane) with proper detergents in them, I 
shouldn't need to use any additives thru the normal life of any car. And considering 
the trouble that I've had in the past with them, I'm not going to use them any more.

Now buying them in the first place, I wasn't trying to substitute them for any types of 
repairs. I had only good intentions of keeping my car running properly. But then 
again, even the best of intentions don't always turn out the way we want..

vin 6585 "X"


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:24:29 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <>
Subject: Re: white smoke

White smoke generally means coolant is getting into the combustion
chambers. There are several things you can do. Pull the spark plugs
and look for signs of water. Put a pressure tester on and see if any
of the cylinders get water in. There is a combustion gas tester you
can use on the coolant to see if you are leaking into the coolant.
This usually happens if the motor gets overheated. You could be lucky
and only blew one head gasket, not both but the safest way to go is to
replace both. If the motor really cooked you might have to pull the
liners and replace the seals too. Look at the oil, see if it is milky
or the level is too high. Not good to run the motor like this, you
could do further damage.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757

--- In, Meyerleem_at_dml_c... wrote:
> I just had my IHI turbos rebuilt and replaced them this week. The
car had been sitting for about a year but started right up. Fresh oil new
plugs etc. After running for a few minutes it started blowing white smoke out
both pipes.


Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:19:32 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <>
Subject: RE: Re: Fuel injector cleaners in gas tank ----Noooooo don't do it!

Jordan, I take a different approach on the injectors since I work with fuel
distributors and fuel systems all the time for Deloreans and I will say
other exotic cars. I use a chemical called Berrymans B12 that you can buy in
almost any auto store or at Wal-Mart. Sometimes it's best to let a sleeping
dog lie and by using a chemical that Dissolves the varnish a little faster
doesn't hurt. But, If the spray pattern from the nozzle of the injector has
over time affixed it's way of spraying and it's not the 360 degree or close,
then yes chemical could make it worse. Only because the varnish or something
over time has changed the nozzle spray pattern and the cleaner may make it
show it's real face. The thing that can't be done is fix the spray pattern
of the spray nozzle.. We can only clean the injector filter screen inside
and open up passages that may have been stopped up, but the pattern can't be
changes. Then it's time for new injectors and I can tell you I haven't
talked to anyone that has replaced 20 year old injectors or had them cleaned
that didn't see a big difference. Some people in the Porsche groups even go
as far as having them balanced and replace injectors with lesser pressure
for more fuel.
Just a FYI
John Hervey


Message: 9
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:55:35 -0400
From: "Jeremy D." <>
Subject: Show in Pasadena Maryland

There is a British car show on Saturday, July 26 at Downs Park in 
Pasadena Maryland (Just north of Annapolis). Im planning to bring my car 
along. And as far as I know, this will be the first appearance of a 
DeLorean at this show. It will be right on the water, so it should make 
for an enjoyable day. Hope to see you there! -Jeremy Delaney

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:51:27 -0000
From: "James LaLonde" <>
Subject: Re: Marv Stein's "Show & Shine" (London, Ontario)

I was so concerned with my oil pressure last post I really just 
mentioned the show in passing.

It was a GREAT time. Marv did an outstanding job as our fearless 
We had a nice variety of cars for a smaller get together.. Awesome 
painted D from Ron and Cheryl. Single Turbo from our high-roller Al!! 
and a Twin turbo from the new-comer George from Ontario! Even a 
Houston upgraded engine showed up briefly... owned by a member of the 
rock band Kitty.

Marv's shooting for 25 cars next year I think... and believe me he'll 
show you a good time!
And Don't make the same mistake I did, you too-macho cars-guys out 
there. You're girlfriends and wives will love it too. I wish I'd have 
dragged my girlfriend along. Antique shoppes, tea rooms, ICE CREAM 
(she loves ice cream)... luxerious hotel. I would have gone and done 
all this stuff WITHOUT a car show.... In addition to a great mini-
vacation you get to see tons of DeLoreans cruis'n to these places!? 
What could be better?

I was great meeting EVERYONE!!! and thanks again Marvin!!
James 4009


Message: 11
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:55:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shannon Yocom <>
Subject: one of John DeLorean's Golfing Buddies

Went to my first "local cruise-in" yesterday and won a door prize - $20 worth of
car wash coupons, weee hoooo! But more importantly I met an elderly gentleman who
is a personal friend of John DeLorean. When John worked at Pontiac & GM they
would get together and go golfing. And after coming down to Toledo, OH I guess
John grew fond of the Inverness Club (the Senior Open will be played there in a
few weeks).

I thought I'd share that with you all since this rarely happens amongst all the
cocane, BTTF and aluminum metal jokes.

Shannon Y


Message: 12
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:10:34 -0000
From: "mikepolzin" <>
Subject: Re: Anybody have the turbos? where? how much are they?

As I understand it the Island Twin Turbos are still available, the 
last known price that I have on my paperwork was $6,000 for the 
turbo kit, you install it or get it installed. I know PJ Grady was 
doing installs on these and I know Don Steiger also have some 
expereince with them as well. However someone with some mechanical 
skills could do the installation themselves without difficulty. The 
kit comes with directions...

In addition if someone is interested, I have a good used Island Twin 
Turbo for sale. It is in great shape, and is one of the later models 
with the twin cats.

Mike Polzin
VIN: Too many to keep track of.

--- In, "Scott Gardner" <gardners14_at_dml_c...> 
> I spoke to Island Turbo a few months back, and they said that they
> weren't currently selling any kits, since they're in the process of
> re-designing it.  Seems the IHI turbochargers that they've used 
for 20
> years are becoming a bit scarce, so they're sourcing suitable
> replacements and once they find one, they'll re-design the kits to 
> with the new turbos.
> She didn't have a price for the new kits yet, but she said that $6-
> was probably in the ballpark.
> Scott Gardner


Message: 13
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:14:35 -0700
From: Don Ekhoff <>
Subject: Re: white smoke


I just went thru my twin turbo package and found two issues that could 
produce what you experienced.  First I found a large puddle of oil in 
the bottom of an intercooler that was large enough to produce the amount 
of smoke you described.  With use it would have consumed itself.  
Second, there were significant kinks in the turbo oil return lines that 
probably were not allowing the oil to drain away from the turbos fast 
enough.  This restriction places excess pressure on the shaft seal and 
will cause the turbo seal to "leak".  If this is the problem  than 
rebuilding the turbos will not correct the problem.  Make sure the drain 
tube is clear and able to flow back to the pan freely, without producing 
any backpressure inside the turbo.

Don Ekhff


Message: 14
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:27:03 -0400
From: Travis Goodwin <>
Subject: RE: door issues

Simple. Disconnect the Z bar that leads to the front lock and disable it.
This bar is far too flexible and leads to the inadvertent stuck locks. I got
stuck in the car once and that was enough.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: []
> Subject: [DML] door issues
> I just got my doors all fixed with a new Lockzilla and solenoids and a
> keyless entry and it works perfect everytime...except. The only problem I
> have is on my passenger door  when I unlock the door and open and close it and then try to reopen it.....


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