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Date: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:59 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: More a/c questions
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

2. Question from an owner's wife
From: pbnorton_at_dml_cs.com

3. Re: First, Everyday driver
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

4. Re: Squeky brakes
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

5. RE: Rust
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>

6. Re: Stalls after starting
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

7. Re: What about my AC high pressure cut of switch?
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

8. Re: Vin 5386 Restoration Site Now REVAMPED!!!!!
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

9. Re: SS frame question
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

10. Re: First, Everyday driver
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

11. INDIGLO!
From: "Ryan" <boy1der18_at_dml_aol.com>

12. Re: First, Everyday driver
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

13. Re: SS frame question
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>

14. Re: Stalls after starting
From: elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de

15. Re: Question from an owner's wife
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

16. Re: INDIGLO!
From: "paul_salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

17. Re: INDIGLO!
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>

18. Re: More a/c questions
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

19. Re: First, Everyday driver
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

20. Late addition to fuel additive and R134 controversies?
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

21. Re: Question from an owner's wife
From: "Mike Drake" <mikedrake_at_dml_covegroup.com>

22. Re: Question from an owner's wife
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: First, Everyday driver
From: "Mike Drake" <mikedrake_at_dml_covegroup.com>

24. Pictures from Speyer
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

25. Re: Vin 5386 Restoration Site Now REVAMPED!!!!!
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:24:00 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: More a/c questions

Do you have gauges on both sides? What is the high side reading? It 
sounds like the orifice tube is stopped up. The high side reading 
can tell you. The accumulator has probably started to deteriorate 
inside and clog it. Does it have enough oil it the system? With all 
that leaking that could be an issue also.

Harold McElraft - 3354



-- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "geek123y" <ken_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> List :Members
> My car had loss of R12 the compressor stopped and wouldn't come on 
I 
> added 1 pound of R12 and some die and ran it for a week it was a 
slow 
> leak at the condesor  fitting   turn lose I removed all the R12 
and 
> added 2.2 pounds compressor kicked in and cools in seconds but it 
no 
> longer cycles I checked the rest pres on high and low it peaks at 
60 
> pounds I dropped it to 52  pounds and doesn't work well and at 65 
> pounds I get shaking in the high pre. Lines during startup is the 
the 
> high pres/sw shot and how do I replace it .
> 
> Ken
> 02700




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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:26:25 EDT
From: pbnorton_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: Question from an owner's wife

My husband is deployed to Iraq and since we don't get to talk often, I have a 
question for you concerning his Delorean...

The battery is dead.  I tried to start it yesterday with no luck.  Should I 
have someone charge it or is it OK for it to sit?  He's not due back for quite 
awhile and I don't want to do anything that will permanently damage the car.

Thanks in advance.



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:35:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: First, Everyday driver

Hey Michael,

Welcome to the group! I bought my DeLorean when I was 19, so I guess it was one of my first cars (I turn 21 in a couple of weeks). I intend on making my DeLorean my only car after I graduate college next year, when I'll finally have some money to pour into it. I drive mine about half of the time right now. I'd drive mine all of the time, but things keep coming up like the A/C going out... A/C is NOT an option if you own a DeLorean in the South... LOL. 

Regarding your questions... DeLoreans really aren't roomy. It's always entertaining when my roomate and I go grocery shopping in the DeLorean. I fill up the parcel shelf, then pack groceries around/on him, and have to close him in the car... LOL. In other words... it's not all too practical. I don't find them especially comfortable cars either. The seats are on the firm side, and make my tailbone sore. I'm over 6'3" tall... so entry and exit is somewhat of an acrobatic feat. The stock stereos are 20+ years old. Don't expect anything other than dryrotted old speakers, and a weak cassette deck. In other words, if music in the car matters to you, you'll have to do an upgrade in this area. So I'd tend to reccomend you keeping a daily driver until you get to know *YOUR* DeLorean well; how it suits your lifestyle, and how reliable it turns out to be.

Louie Golden
VIN 10115

--- "mcydrake" <mikedrake_at_dml_covegroup.com> wrote:
>Hello, I am a teen in CT that would like to know if a DeLorean would 
>be a good first car, and daily driver.



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 02:36:22 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Squeky brakes

I went through a similar scenario until I realized it was the back 
brakes that were squealing. I still haven't fixed it but after all 
the fixes I know it is not the front brakes.

Harold McElraft - 3354




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_f...> 
wrote:
> Yours only scream sometimes? Wanna trade? :)
> 
> I've done everything I can think of to shut my brakes up.



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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:54:40 -0700
From: "IN2TIME" <Gary_at_dml_IN2TIME.com>
Subject: RE: Rust

Pete said:
> Rust is simply Oxidation of any material
> (even wood "rusts" technically). 

Anything that can form an oxide in the presence of oxygen can "oxidize", but
according to my dictionary, "rust" should only be used to refer to oxidation
of iron.

However, if you use "steel wool" on a DeLorean, iron particles can be left
behind and can form rust spots.

Gary
IN2TIME





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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 03:41:26 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Stalls after starting

The first thing that comes to mind would be to check the control
pressure regulater aka the warm-up regulater. Make sure all the vacuum
hoses are routed correctly and not leaking. You could also have a
problem with the thermister that tells the idle ECU to raise the idle
when cold. It is hard to get to under the intake but you might be able
to see if the plug is attached. You could check the resistance at the
ECU plug.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "painintheass7565" <advantics_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Howdy. I have two D's and one runs like a top and one has this 
> problem. I starts right up but unless I keep my foot on the gas it 
> stalls out. It will bounce back and forth between 500 and 1000 RPMs 
> for a few seconds before it stalls. If I give it a little gas for 
> about three minutes, it goes to a steady idle and is fine. If not 
> given the 3-4 minutes of gas to warm up it would stall out. Driving 
> expirience is great once I get to go, but my intention is not to look 
> good in the parking lot but on the road.




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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 03:57:52 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: What about my AC high pressure cut of switch?

The green "O" rings are good for R-12 or -134. The real problem is the
dessicant and the oil. If they are not changed when the -134 is put in
eventually it will cause problems. The system should be flushed out
and ALL of the "O" rings changed. No reputable shop will just squirt
Freon into a system anymore. If the system needs Freon then it HAS a
leak. Freon is not consumed, it is recirculated like anti-freeze. The
proper procedure is to remove the freon, pressurize the system with
nitrogen and leak-test. After finding the leak and repairing then the
system is evacuated to a hard vacuum for at least 1/2 hour, the longer
the better and then recharged with a measured amount of refrigerent
and a leak marker. Finally the system is performance tested. A really
sharp shop will also check the oil for PH. In most cases though they
just drain and replace it. If you can keep the system filled with R-12
or one of the new drop-in replacements you are probably better off.
The A/C in the Delorean was not engineered for -134. To use it the
system will run higher pressures and the coils are not sized for it so
the performance will be 20% less then R-12.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Don Ekhoff <ekhoff_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> David<
> 
> Related question:  I am tryng to take good care of several DeLoreans.  
> On the one driven most, I experienced poor AC performance while on a 
> road trip in N. Idaho this time last year.  I stopped at a remote shop 
> that charged the system for a very nominal fee.  My thought at the time 
> was that the total bill was probably less than the cost of the R-12 
> anywhere else in the U.S..  Now a year later I was concidering using a 
> replacement kit, doing the proper oil change/pump down and replacement 
> with R-134 as I have seen reports of people happy with the results.
 Now 





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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:49:12 EDT (-0400)
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: Vin 5386 Restoration Site Now REVAMPED!!!!!

Javascript menus for easy navigation?? can you be so kind as to add a 
TEXT link as well for us non-javascript users :-) Thanks so much, 
looking forward to seeing your site.

> Hello Everyone!
> 
> For everybody that has been watching my restoration on
> 5386 you can now check out the new site. Located at
> the original address of
> www.khpindustries.com/stainlessrestorations.html
> Todd
> Vin 5386



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:50:34 EDT (-0400)
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: SS frame question

  Check out:

http://www.pearce-design.com/PFMain.html



> Hello list! My friend and I were having a random crazy car 
> discussion ..........
  and the stock frame just won't handle the stress of anywhere near that much 
> power. So my question is, would a stainless frame hold up to this? 
> Also, how much do they cost to make/have made? Thanks.



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:54:10 EDT (-0400)
From: "Michael Paine" <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: First, Everyday driver

 - It is quite roomy inside - I'm 6'1"
 - I think everyone here will agree the original stereo is junky - I am 
OK with it as I just listen to theradio and don't really go for 
systems.
 - VERY little storage space

I personally wouldn't recommend it to anyone as a first car simply 
because kids tend to get in more accidents - no I am not an old person 
saying this I am in my 20's and had several accidents in my first few 
years. 

Not to say that thee aren't exceptions but I would say make it a second 
car. Perhaps get a CHEAP >$1,000 "beater" and enjoy the D the rest of 
the time. Schools aren't the best place for a D. Yeah you will get 
attention but some forms of attention are not wanted.

just my $.02



> Hello, I am a teen in CT that would like to know if a DeLorean would 
> be a good first car, and daily driver.

Thank you
> 
> Michael
> VIN# to come..



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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 05:19:27 -0000
From: "Ryan" <boy1der18_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: INDIGLO!

Hello all!

I must apologize for the delay, but the gauge kits will be ready in 
about two weeks!  I have uploaded pictures of my protoype kit under 
D.A.R.T.  Again, this is a protoype, so you may notice that the 
needles and the A/C knobs are not lit.  This has been corrected and 
the final products are in their final stage and ready for production.

The price will be $180 US per kit and includes everything you will 
need for installation.  I am still setting up the page on my website 
for ordering (www.d-a-r-t.com) but you may visit www.speedhut.com 
and look at all the color combinations that will be available.  
There are too many to list here.

Enjoy!

Ryan Gould




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 05:13:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: First, Everyday driver

On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, mcydrake wrote:

> Hello, I am a teen in CT that would like to know if a DeLorean would 
> be a good first car, and daily driver. I love these cars and will 

I have to say that it probably wouldn't.  This has come up a few times on 
the list so you might look at the archives.  

The DeLorean has a few disadvantages that make it somewhat unsuitable for 
a first car, including but not limited to...

Insuring a DeLorean is hard; insuring a 16-year-old is hard, insuring both 
is practically impossible.

Since you mentioned it, no, the stereo is not particularly good.  There's 
no CD player, the radio reception is bad (on early cars with the 
windshield antenna, which requires an aftermarket antenna to fix), and the 
speakers and head unit are both non-standard sizes making upgrades 
awkward.  These problems can all be addressed but they're disadvantages 
that almost no other car has.

Visibility in a DeLorean is very poor (both out of the car, and other 
drivers seeing you).  It's not an easy car to drive, compared to most
others out there.

Everyone crashes their first car.  DeLoreans are rare and irreplaceable 
and can also be very difficult to repair from collision damage.

There's no back seat.  (draw own conclusions ;) )

DeLoreans are not particularly suitable for the snow.  There is plenty of 
snow in CT.

Some of your friends will probably think it is weird.  Of course, this 
depends on your friends :)

Mechanical suitability is probably the least of your worries.  Even if you
can fix it (and even if you can't, PJ Grady, one of the best DeLorean
shops around, is on Long Island) - you would probably be better off with
something else, just because of the car's characteristics.  I was involved
in a frame-up restoration on a '55 Jeep before I had my driver's license.  
But, when the time came to actually get something to drive, I went and
bought myself a Geo Metro.  In this case it was the Jeep's 60 mph top
speed that I decided was unsuitable (probably the only time someone bought
a Geo Metro for performance reasons).  I did, indeed, end up crashing it,
though I never managed to total it.  But I had a friend that went through
four Honda Civics.  My advice would be to wait a few years, then get a 
DeLorean as a second car, for which it is excellent.

There are lots of other cars in the same price range that would probably
be better.  I usually recommend something like a MKIV Supra or a Camaro,
which although they may not be much easier to insure, eliminate most of
the other disadvantages.




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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 05:30:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: William T Wilson <fluffy_at_dml_snurgle.org>
Subject: Re: SS frame question

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, supremeadmiralsenn wrote:

> in less than 2 years) and he says he has access (bargain-priced
> access)to a VERY powerful engine the size of a small V6, potentially as
> poweful as 600hp! I said awesome, but what about torque issues?  I've

And what about the cost?  The trick isn't GETTING such an engine, it's
getting it running!  I know where I can get a Mazda 20B rotary engine for
about $3000, maybe less, which is about the size of a small V6 and can
potentially make 600 HP (in fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if this
is what your friend is talking about).  And while this conversion has been
done before (someone was selling one about 6 months ago, which I might
have bought, except it is painted), it's a difficult motor to use, because
of all the turbo plumbing and electronics.

Anyway, Bryan Pearce told me that the stainless frame would handle such
power.  And, what's more, he'll make the motor mounts to your
specification, so you don't have to fiddle with adapters.  Actually, even
the stock frame, in good shape, would probably handle the power if you
were gentle with it, meaning that you should stay away from the drag
strip.  The rear-engine configuration doesn't put very much stress on the
frame.  The weak link would be the transmission, which would have to be
replaced with a Porsche (another swap which Has Been Done).

www.pearce-design.com is the web page for the stainless frame.  I don't 
remember the cost off hand.  I seem to remember it is about $8K.  But 
don't quote me on that.




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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:17:01 +0200 (MEST)
From: elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de
Subject: Re: Stalls after starting

check your idle speed motor it may be stuck closed and during startup it
needs to open a little more to keep running. When warm idle may be fast enough
to keep running.

Or is the micro switch working ? Is it really being pushed ?

If it bounces like you describe it may also be a bad vacuum leak or the
O2-Sensor may be sending wrong informations because it still isn't warmed up.
There's a temp-sensor which tells the system to set the PWM of the buzzing valve
on the right valve-cover to work with a constant PWM until the system is
warm enough. So the first few minutes the PWM should not vary. I would suggest
to check this first.
Informations how to do this can be found on the DMCNEWS site or anywhere
else on the web.

Elvis

> Howdy. I have two D's and one runs like a top and one has this 
> problem. I starts right up but unless I keep my foot on the gas it 
> stalls out.



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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:55:05 -0400
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: Question from an owner's wife

I would disconnect the battery terminals as to avoid a possible fire issue.

Regards,

Michael

Quoting pbnorton_at_dml_cs.com:

> My husband is deployed to Iraq and since we don't get to talk often, I have a
> 
> question for you concerning his Delorean...
> 
> The battery is dead.  I tried to start it yesterday with no luck.  Should I 
> have someone charge it or is it OK for it to sit?  He's not due back for
> quite 
> awhile and I don't want to do anything that will permanently damage the car.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
> moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
> 
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> 
> 
> 





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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:13:28 -0000
From: "paul_salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: INDIGLO!

Ryan

They look excellent 

Can I Ask one question, will you be catering for those of us that 
don't have the 85mph speedo? I have a 240kph

Thanks
Paul
#6463


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Ryan" <boy1der18_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Hello all!
> 
> I must apologize for the delay, but the gauge kits will be ready in 
> about two weeks!



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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:24:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Andrew <aos+yahoo_at_dml_boom.net>
Subject: Re: INDIGLO!

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Ryan wrote:

> I must apologize for the delay, but the gauge kits will be ready in
> about two weeks!  I have uploaded pictures of my protoype kit under
> D.A.R.T.

Looks great.  I guess those of us who are interested in the kit, but who
have 170 mph speedometers have to go back to the 85 mph type?  That comes
as a bit of a disappoointment to me, but is worth it to get a decent
looking cluster.

-andrew
 #4115
 Houston TX



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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:34:01 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: More a/c questions

If your low side pressure is that high you probably have air in the
system. You have to pull a HARD vacuum for an extended period of time
to evaporate (boil) all the moisture out and get out all of the air.
Recover the R-12, leak-test again, and a good idea would be to replace
the "O" ring at the "loose" fitting. It would also be good "insurance"
to replace the dryer, orifice tube, and refrigerent oil. Just getting
the system to blow cold is not what you really want. If the system is
contaminated then in the not too distant future you will have even
bigger problems like internal corrosion which will eat the system from
the inside out and kill the compressor and all the aluminum. All of
the small orifices will plug up. You will wind up replacing the coils,
lines, compressor, and valves.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


> -- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "geek123y" <ken_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> > List :Members
> > My car had loss of R12 the compressor stopped and wouldn't come on................ pounds I dropped it to 52  pounds and doesn't work well and at 65  pounds I get shaking in the high pre. Lines during startup
> > Ken
> > 02700




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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:40:51 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: First, Everyday driver

I wouldn't reccomend a DeLorean as a first car, no. For the most 
part, the car is easily repair able. And as far as "quirks" go, it's 
really not so bad. You're just as likely to find the same problems 
with a DeLorean, that you'd run across with a used car. So repairs 
(as it has been stated many times over) are not an issue with a 
DeLorean. But handling is.

I would consider the DeLorean to be a car for a more advanced driver. 
The odd weight bias from front to back, and the lack of Anti-Lock 
Brakes can make the car quite difficult to control under 
paniced/emergency situations. Within the first year of ownership for 
example, I'd spun it around twice hard braking. And a few times, I've 
almost run people off the road, because they've been in my blind 
spots. Which is another concern. I'm not racing people, but I 
constantly speed ahead of other cars that pace me, to purposefully 
keep them out of my blindspots. And keeping track of where other cars 
on the road are is nessisary as well.

Now, you may not nessisarily wreck your first car. I didn't. Although 
I was involved in a minor collision in another vehicle. The reason 
that more young people (I hate the term, "kids", and want to 
personally smack anyone who refers to their car as "Adult Owned") is 
a lack of practical experience behind the wheel. I myself, for 
example, didn't learn to drive until I was 18, and still feel that 
the driving test I took wasn't good enough. The best way to learn to 
avoid trouble, is to get into it. I'm not saying that you should wait 
until after you wreck a car, or anything like that. After all, 
automobile related injuries can be qutie long term. What I would 
reccomend is aside from taking a good defensive driving course, look 
into perhaps a performance driving class. You'll have fun, and learn 
quite a bit without getting injured.

Now with all this being said, this doesn't mean that the DeLorean 
doesn't handle well. On the contrary, the DeLorean IMO handled 
exceptionially well. It's just that unlike many cars of toady that 
come equiped with safety devices designed to take control to prevent 
you from getting into an accident, the DeLorean requires you to take 
on that burdon yourself, and do most of the work. The rear weight 
bias, and the understeer on the car do allow the rear end to break 
traction allot easier, yes. But once you learn to control it, it 
makes the car MUCH more fun, and nimble. Plus it's quite practical 
when you need to make quick U-turns.

In addition, I wouldn't reccomend the DeLorean as a first car, 
because you want to get that urge to race out of your system. Even 
before I picked my D up, I got a rental car for about 3 days, and 
just tore the thing up racing it, jumping it, and in general, just 
driving the hell out of the car. Once I got my D, I was relaxed, and 
just cruised all the way home. Well, *most* of the way! :p

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:07:27 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Late addition to fuel additive and R134 controversies?

Just returned from ANOTHER trip to the chaotic northeast (told you
#5939 was becoming a fixture on I-95) and checked last week's
messages. So many controversies... My thoughts on R134 are already
well known (pumped just fine yesterday), but this was a new one:
combined heat of radiator and condensor kept coolant above 220 degree
mark until dark. That, combined with missing fresh air hose, allowed
pre-detonation to start creeping in somewhere between Fredericksburg
and Richmond (remember: I'm timed 10 degrees BTC per Renault specs).
Since I still had 3/4 tank of gas, just bought a bottle of octane
boost. Of course cleared up immediately. Refilled with 93 octane in
Roanoke Rapids for continued quiet running. At Fayetteville went back
to 89 (my usual). I know octane boost is slightly different
formulation than injector cleaner, but FWIW my car not only survived
400 miles with an additive in its tank but started just fine this
morning to come to work.

My prefered use for these cleaners remains straight down the intake.
Won't remove carbon deposits, but will burn off light weight soot,
oil, or anything else gumming up the works from the topside. I call it
"making smoke". Looks just like this
http://www.delorean.co.uk/pictures/DCP02268_1.jpg
I think Martin G would agree, car runs better afterwards.

BTW Louie: went grocery shopping with mechanic buddy while in DC. You
should try squeezing them in when parcel shelf is full of traveling
crap that no longer fits under hood (it all fit when I left the
house...). Packed him in as you said, then STILL had to drive with a
bag under MY legs. Imminently practical transportation.

Bill Robertson
#5939

 

Bill Robertson
#5939






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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:26:22 -0400
From: "Mike Drake" <mikedrake_at_dml_covegroup.com>
Subject: Re: Question from an owner's wife

Letting a DeLorean sit is a death wish. The gas tank get contaminated after a little while and if you try starting the car it will contaminate the fuel system. I would start and drive it to keep this from happening. so to answer your question, i would either jump start the car and recharge the battery that way, or i would take the battery out and charge it that way, then start the car. Good luck


Mike
VIN# to come..



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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:25:51 EDT
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Question from an owner's wife

I would have a friend take the battery out and have it charged and put back 
in the car. The battery is located behind the passenger seat. Just lift up the 
carpet flap and remove the cover. Battery may or may not have a tie down strap 
on it. It takes a small seat of hands to get into the compartment but it can 
be done. You need to find out from your husband what he did before leaving 
overseas to get the car ready for storage. Did he add stabol or something like it 
to the tank to keep the gas from getting old? After you have the battery 
charged set up a schedule to start it at least once every couple of weeks. I know 
others will post on this topic but this is what I would (and have) done. If I 
or the list can be of any future help, please post. Also please tell your 
husband thank you from me for his service to our country.
Bruce Battles
VIN 06569
RNDOMTA



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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:29:22 -0400
From: "Mike Drake" <mikedrake_at_dml_covegroup.com>
Subject: Re: First, Everyday driver

Thank you for your help. I will take up your advice in getting having sumthing while i "know" my DeLorean. I figure if I get it as a second car now.. i will get to know it and see if i really want to have it as an everyday car, while i still have other cars available to fall back onto, thank you again

Mike



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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:09:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Pictures from Speyer

Hello all:

Feel free to have a look at the pictures that were
taken this weekend in speyer.  It was a wonderfull
time.

I have posted it to my usual site

http://www.ventureworthy.com/retro/delorean/deloreanmain.html

look under speyer pictures

questions, comments?

enjoy

Jordan Rubin  # 11613


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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 16:32:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Vin 5386 Restoration Site Now REVAMPED!!!!!

Shouldn't be any problems with viewing the site. Just
use Netscaoe 7 or IE 8 or similar and you should have
no problems. It's a Java scrip and works like enhanced
HTML

Todd
Vin5386


--- Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com> wrote:
> Javascript menus for easy navigation?? can you be so
> kind as to add a TEXT link as well for us non-javascript users :-)



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