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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1567
Date: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 7:05 AM

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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: AC Problem
From: "Bob Thomason" <rdt7_at_dml_carolina.rr.com>

2. Re: Timing is everything
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

3. Long Island Cruise Night
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Tilley's Electric DeLorean
From: "Dom Diaz" <dom_diaz_at_dml_hotmail.com>

5. Re: Tilley's Electric DeLorean Delorean Car Show
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

6. New DeLorean
From: "anaheim_21" <anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Vin: 05107 is for sale..
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Outside Parking
From: John Gedeon <johne_g_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. Dec. of 1981 FOR SALE!
From: putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu

10. Re: New DeLorean
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>

11. Re: New DeLorean
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

12. RE: New DeLorean
From: "Lewis, Jim (HTS)" <lewisjc2_at_dml_navair.navy.mil>

13. Re: Re: Timing is everything
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

14. Re: Re: Timing is everything
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

15. Re: Outside Parking
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>

16. Re: Outside Parking
From: "Christopher Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>

17. DeLorean's new car(s)?
From: KISSman83_at_dml_aol.com

18. One down, one to go
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

19. Power Antenna Fuse
From: "theshovel1224" <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:19:44 -0400
From: "Bob Thomason" <rdt7_at_dml_carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: AC Problem

Thanks Elvis and Harold. I'm not sure if the fans stay running or not. Can't hear them with the car running. I'll try to pull over next time it quits and listen. The problem occurs on the #4 blower setting, however. Harold, I'll check the connections you suggested.

Bob Thomason  #5252


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:53:54 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Timing is everything

I'm pretty sure, that that is what the book has me doing. The problem 
is, with #1 piston at TDC, when I rotate the cam to line up the 
driving pin and slot, a valve opens, striking the piston at TDC.

I -think- what I need to do, is lower the piston, rotate the cam to 
the 'tween point that the driving pin will line up, then, raise the 
piston to back to TDC and put the chain on.

Once that's done and I rotate the engine by hand, and #1 piston is 
going back down from TDC, the exhaust valve should open correct?

Right guys??? :)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
wrote:
> I have never done the camshaft timing on a Delorean but I have done
> many other cars with overhead camshafts. One generic method is to
> bring one of the cylinders up to TDC on the compression stroke. Now
> turn the camshaft until it is in between the intake valve closing 
and
> the exhaust valve opening. If you are worried about crashing valves
> you could slowly turn the crankshaft pulley by hand and if you feel
> any resistance you could stop before you did any damage. It could be
> the reason the timing marks aren't lining up is because the timing
> chain moved a tooth because you didn't use the "dummy" bearing and
> sprocket to hold the chain while you removed the head.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> > I have bolted on the one head I removed. I am now ready to time 
the 
> > engine. The procedure in the book is not working.
> > 
> > I have aligned the keyway and timing chain marks with the timing 
> > sprocket marks as described in the book. 
> > 
> > This isn't working because the book has you align the key way 
w/the 
> > LH bank of cylinders. Once you align the chain marks w/the timing 
> > marks on the sprockets, the cam is out of position. The drive pin 
is 
> > not aligned with the drive slot at the end of the cam. The slot 
and 
> > tab are supposed to be upppermost. The tab on the sprocket is, 
but 
> > the slot on the cam is down. When I try to rotate the cam to 
match 
> > up, a valve opens and strikes a cylinder and the cam will not 
rotate 
> > any further. I'm terrified I'll think I've lined it all up and 
crank 
> > the engine over and bend the valves. I've seen it happen.
> > 
> > I've already potentially done enough damage to the engine with my 
> > previous mistakes. Please help me into the light at the end of 
the 
> > tunnel.




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:28:31 EDT
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Long Island Cruise Night

I'm in contact with Mike DeLuca and we are trying to get a group together on 
Long Island to go to the Tuesday night Cruise Night which used to be at Sears 
in Hicksville.  (I'm told it is now in Bethpage at K-Mart.)  Anyone interested 
in getting together on July 15th or at any other time, please contact me off 
list.

Dave
6530


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:06:38 -0400
From: "Dom Diaz" <dom_diaz_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tilley's Electric DeLorean

Did he have a web site about his car? This sounds cool.... I may be by to 
pick up heat gun on Sunday. Hope all is well.

Dom


>From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand_at_dml_forwardlook.net>
>Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
>To: "'DMC News'" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [DML] Tilley's Electric DeLorean
>Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:21:30 -0400
>
>Hi All,
>
>For those of you following Carl Tilley's attempt at "free energy", his
>assets (including the D) have been seized by the government for
>investment fraud.  You can check out the story at
>http://wsmv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1301610
>
>-Dave Stragand
>VIN #05927



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:59:37 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Tilley's Electric DeLorean Delorean Car Show

There are too possibilities

Either Tilley violated the second law of thermodynamics with exaggerated 
claims

or

He really invented an energy saving device and the government and energy 
industry confiscated all of his stuff to stop him from changing the world.

After all,  look what happened to DeLorean.

Sometimes you just never know.




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:17:26 -0000
From: "anaheim_21" <anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: New DeLorean

I put a deposit on a new DeLorean, '82 5-spd.  I need to replace the 
brakes and clutch.  I have not yet seen the car, before I commit to 
purchase how can i tell if frame rust is an issue?  I have seen 
photos of it and the car is in great shape, always garaged.




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Vin: 05107 is for sale..

Just happen to see it in a parking lot, in Beaverton
Oregon.  The car looks to be in Great shape, and the
owner is asking $16K for it.

If you want a contact number, e-mail me directly.



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:25:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Gedeon <johne_g_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Outside Parking

Hi,

   I am trying to decide if I should buy a delorean or
not and was wondering what the downfalls would be to
parking a D outside. Would most probably get a D car
cover and it would most likely be in a carport. (I
live in San Diego, CA) 

   Also what downfalls are to driving in the rain.

Thanks in advance
John

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:35:37 -0700
From: putsch.1_at_dml_osu.edu
Subject: Dec. of 1981 FOR SALE!

I am selling my December of 1981 Delorean. I am in Columbus and Tiffin, Ohio. It has 46,000 miles and is well sorted and very clean example. It comes with two sets of wheels (bbs and stock) bolt on whale tail spoiler, twin turbo air scoops, front air dam, panasonic cd player, blaupunkt speakers, and a spare motor. The cars modifications can easily be changed to stock as they are not permanent. It has new TABs and new exhaust manifold gaskets done by Dave bauerly. All maintinence up to date! The doors shut perfectly, and the dash is not cracked. This car is a good one and is ready to drive anywhere anytime. I am selling to buy something different. The asking price is $18,000. It is best to call me at (614) 832-8728 that is my cell and you can reach me anytime, if I don't answer leave a message.

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:55:38 -0400
From: Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com>
Subject: Re: New DeLorean

physically get UNDER the car. look at the joints of where metal would meet 
metal and see if the epoxy is cracked. look inside the rear cross member - that 
goes under the oil pan) and see if it is cracked. If the cross mmeber is used 
to jack up the car and jack stands are placed wrong the epoxy can be cracked 
inside. Check the tie down "loops" see if the epoxy is cracked off. I got my 
car and the frame looked MINT. I had foundsome rust under some chipped off 
epoxy after I got it home. Nothing to worry about in my case as it was 
supperficial. Good luck!

Regards,

Michael
vin# 6067

Quoting anaheim_21 <anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com>:

> I put a deposit on a new DeLorean, '82 5-spd.  I need to replace the 
> brakes and clutch.  I have not yet seen the car, before I commit to 
> purchase how can i tell if frame rust is an issue?  I have seen 
> photos of it and the car is in great shape, always garaged.



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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:56:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: New DeLorean

Your best bet is to post where the car is and see if any list members are
willing to check the car out for you.

Buying a car that you haven't seen is one of the worst mistakes you can
make. You might even consider flying to wherever it is to look. It may be
cheaper in the long run.

-Christian

On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, anaheim_21 wrote:

> I put a deposit on a new DeLorean, '82 5-spd.  I need to replace the
> brakes and clutch.  I have not yet seen the car, before I commit to
> purchase how can i tell if frame rust is an issue?  I have seen
> photos of it and the car is in great shape, always garaged.



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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:06:49 -0700
From: "Lewis, Jim (HTS)" <lewisjc2_at_dml_navair.navy.mil>
Subject: RE: New DeLorean

Go look at the car....if you don't you are taking big time risk. Photos are
no substitute for eyeballs.
Been burned once on a DeLorean and learned my lesson. My second experience
was and remains great thanks to going to the seller and inspecting the car
before I bought it. Still have and it is for sale.


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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:35:39 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Re: Timing is everything

The exhaust valve shouldn't start to open until the 
pistion nears the bottom of the stroke.

--
Mike

> I'm pretty sure, that that is what the book has me doing. The problem 
> is, with #1 piston at TDC, when I rotate the cam to line up the 
> driving pin and slot, a valve opens, striking the piston at TDC.
> 
> I -think- what I need to do, is lower the piston, rotate the cam to 
> the 'tween point that the driving pin will line up, then, raise the 
> piston to back to TDC and put the chain on.
> 
> Once that's done and I rotate the engine by hand, and #1 piston is 
> going back down from TDC, the exhaust valve should open correct?
> 
> Right guys??? :)
> 



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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:46:22 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Timing is everything

Mate, this really isn't all that hard.

Look at the diagram - look at your chain. See the timing marks on the 
chains? All you have to do is line up the crank and cam so that the 
chain goes on with the timing marks in the right place! You don't have 
to get the crank and cam precisely lined up, as long as it's near enough 
that you can tell where the timing marks on the chains are supposed to 
be. If you have new chains with no timing marks , put them on a bench 
with the old timing marks - you should be able to see them (all the 
stock engine's I've stripped have marks on the chains, but I know Volvo 
ones don't come with them). Just get some tipp-ex and mark up your new 
chains before you put them on

Martin

cruznmd wrote:

>I'm pretty sure, that that is what the book has me doing. The problem 
>is, with #1 piston at TDC, when I rotate the cam to line up the 
>driving pin and slot, a valve opens, striking the piston at TDC.
>
>I -think- what I need to do, is lower the piston, rotate the cam to 
>the 'tween point that the driving pin will line up, then, raise the 
>piston to back to TDC and put the chain on.
>
>Once that's done and I rotate the engine by hand, and #1 piston is 
>going back down from TDC, the exhaust valve should open correct?
>
>Right guys??? :)
>  
>





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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:17:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christian Williams <delorean_at_dml_framezero.com>
Subject: Re: Outside Parking

It all depends on what kind of neighbourhood you live in. I probably
wouldn't park my D outside. If you get a car cover, try to find one that
doesn't say "DeLorean" on it. Why advertise what you're trying to protect?

The only problems that I've had with driving in the rain is that you've
got to make sure your spark plug wires boots are intact. Otherwise you'll
collect water in the spark plug wells and your car won't run. Also, be
sure that your door seals are good and that any and all screws in the
water runoff trough are caulked to prevent leakage.

-Christian

On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, John Gedeon wrote:

> Hi,
>
>    I am trying to decide if I should buy a delorean or
> not and was wondering what the downfalls would be to
> parking a D outside. Would most probably get a D car
> cover and it would most likely be in a carport. (I
> live in San Diego, CA)
>
>    Also what downfalls are to driving in the rain.
>
> Thanks in advance
> John



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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 00:52:13 +0100
From: "Christopher Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Outside Parking

Hi John,

I don't have a garage here in the UK.  I bought a 100% UV inhibitive
water/frost proof cover for my DeLorean when I noticed that the black part
of the bumpers and other black plastic mouldings were starting to go grey
and streak....

The cover stops the leaves, dusty rain, cat paw prints and UV damage to the
dash.  The best 150 I have ever spent, wish I had bought it sooner...

Chris Hawes
vin 5255
Outside in the UK but tucked up nice and warm...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Gedeon" <johne_g_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: "dmcnews" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 9:25 PM
Subject: [DML] Outside Parking


> Hi,
>
>    I am trying to decide if I should buy a delorean or
> not and was wondering what the downfalls would be to
> parking a D outside. Would most probably get a D car
> cover and it would most likely be in a carport. (I
> live in San Diego, CA)
>
>    Also what downfalls are to driving in the rain.
>
> Thanks in advance
> John
>




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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:21:13 EDT
From: KISSman83_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean's new car(s)?

Does anybody know anything about John DeLorean's new cars?  I saw an 
interview with him at <A HREF="www.deloreantime.com">www.deloreantime.com</A>, and it seemed pretty rad.  If anybody 
happens to know anything else, I'd like to know.

Jay
No Vin, yet.


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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:31:26 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: One down, one to go

Thanks to the good folks here, and at "mission control" in Houston, 
I've got the passenger side head work and timing done on the engine.
For those who've recommended it; Yes, I had the heads checked for 
warpage. No I did not have them magnafluxed. I didn't do some other 
things I would have liked to do. The engine has so little miles on it 
that I believe, (and was told by some in authority) that some of the 
finer things would be ok undone.

I have the other head off and I'll be working it this week. Things 
are moving well now. Who needs luck when you have air tools? ;)

Rich
#5335




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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:23 -0000
From: "theshovel1224" <theshovel1224_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Power Antenna Fuse

Power antenna fuse blew the other day.  I can't seem to find the old
fuse and I don't remember what the amp rating was.  Can somebody
please tell me the correct size for the inline fuse in the red 12v
wire for the power antenna?

John Yeoman




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