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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1569
Date: Friday, July 04, 2003 7:40 AM

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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. DMC2?? New DeLorean sports car?
From: "bk2d80s" <bk2d80s_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. RE: Adding your car to the Directory - Was: How many Delore ans
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>

3. Re: How many Deloreans
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

4. Re: How many Deloreans
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

5. Re: Outside Parking
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com

6. Delorean Mid Atlantic Club Summer Fun Run Update!
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

7. High pitch sound from clutch
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>

8. Re: ventilation behavior/ booster check valve
From: "Adam 16683" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. Re: Tilley's Electric DeLorean Delorean Car Show
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

10. rear Light screw fixings
From: <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>

11. Heli-coil How-to
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

12. Re: Heli-coil How-to
From: <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>

13. Re: High pitch sound from clutch
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

14. Re: ventilation behavior/ booster check valve
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

15. Re: High pitch sound from clutch
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

16. Re: DMC2?? New DeLorean sports car?
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. Re: Heli-coil How-to
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

18. Re: rear Light screw fixings
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

19. Why are some VINs so large?
From: "tnconlon" <P12C16_at_dml_aol.com>

20. Re: DMC2?? New DeLorean sports car?
From: "bk2d80s" <bk2d80s_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:36:26 -0000
From: "bk2d80s" <bk2d80s_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DMC2?? New DeLorean sports car?

I had noticed that deloreantime.com had been updated a while back, 
which gave me hope.But even more recently the site no longer works!?I 
have tried it on 4 different computers. Does anyone know anything on 
this subject.Despite my high hopes for the car, I have been led to 
believe this project may be in some serious doubt.





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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:36:34 -0700
From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm_at_dml_csus.edu>
Subject: RE: Adding your car to the Directory - Was: How many Delore ans

     You can add your car by filling out the form on the dmcnews website:
www.dmcnews.com/directory.html

Doing so adds you car to the VIN chronology and it adds you to the DeLorean
Owners Directory. After I confirm your entry, you can send a seperate
request for an access account to download your own copy of the Directory*.

* I first make sure your entry fits properly into the list, such as having a
VIN that matches the build dates of the other cars close to your VIN # and
that the car isn't already in the Directory under another name).

=======================================================
Ken Montgomery	Sacramento, CA  VIN #10911  'OUTTIME'
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/montkw/delorean/index.htm
mailto:kenm_at_dml_csus.edu
President, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club
http://www.ncdmc.org
Keeper of the International DeLorean Owners Directory
http://www.dmcnews.com  mailto:owners_at_dml_dmcnews.com
=======================================================

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cruznmd [mailto:racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:24 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DML] How many Deloreans
> 
> 
> Speaking of which, how do you go about getting yourself put into 
> the "distribution list of remaining cars"?
> 
> I'd love to be listed in that.
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Louie G <louie_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> > It all depends on who you ask. I believe the traditional number is 
> 8586. How that was calculated, I can't tell you. More recent studies 
> by this very website show that there were likely more than 9200 
> produced. Check out the findings of that study here- 
> http://www.dmcnews.com/faq/n_chron.htm There's a VIN list, build 
> rates by month, options breakdown, and a map of the distribution of 
> remaining cars across the US today. It's a great tool. 
> > 
> 



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 20:43:59 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: How many Deloreans

All valid VINs have 17 digits.  Neither of these do.

Jim

On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Justin <voodoonova_at_dml_yahoo.com>
writes:
> Total estimated of Ds was about 8,583. The VIN to the 
> First, SCED-T26-T8-BD0005000
> Last, SCED-T26-T8-DD02014
> I have aquired this information a few years ago when I was designing 
> a web page for the D.
> If anyone else has more accurate info that would be great!
>  
> As for polishing, I havent got a clue as to the best chemical to 
> use.


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 16:28:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie G <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: How many Deloreans

You've got some wrong numbers there... by your measure VIN 5000 is the first, and VIN 2104 is the last... lol. Here's the correct first and last-

First- SCEDT26T8BD000500
Last-  SCEDT26T8DD020104

If you look at Knut Grimsrud's summary of his study, it looks like there were actually around 9200 DeLoreans made :-) . http://www.dmcnews.com/faq/h_vins.htm

Louie Golden
VIN 10115 Sanford, NC

--- Justin <voodoonova_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
>Total estimated of Ds was about 8,583. The VIN to the 
>First, SCED-T26-T8-BD0005000
>Last, SCED-T26-T8-DD02014
>I have aquired this information a few years ago when I was designing a web page for the D.
>If anyone else has more accurate info that would be great!


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 21:39:44 EDT
From: deloreanernst_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Outside Parking

In a message dated 7/2/03 8:49:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com 
writes:


> However, a more likely problem with a garage that you'd run into is the 
> possibility of things falling off of shelves durring rummaging, earthquakes, 
> 
> etc... Although that too is a variable factor depending upon how tidy you 
> keep 
> things.
> 

When I was looking at D's prior to buying #11174, 90% of the cars I saw had 
hood dings that looked like something fell on them while in storage.  And hood 
dings aren't always fixable, I gather. It's "stainless," not "undentable."
-Wayne A. Ernst 


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 00:07:19 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Delorean Mid Atlantic Club Summer Fun Run Update!

Hi everyone, I have been busy trying to put together details for the Mid
Atlantic club "Summer Fun Run".  Suffice to say, it is not easy planing
an event like this on such a short time frame.  Many of the ideas that I
had (and that were presented to me) did not work out, but after much
time spent I was finally able to put and event together.
 
Details can be found on the club web site events page (link below)
 
I need to start putting together a head count, so please RSVP to me
ASAP!   I will confirm details within a week and provide driving
directions.
 
http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/events/events.htm#funrun


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 05:51:52 -0000
From: "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_telus.net>
Subject: High pitch sound from clutch

For some years now, I have been hearing a high pitch sound from the 
clutch. I know it is coming from the clutch because when I lightly 
press down on the clutch pedal the sound goes away. I do not intend 
to drive the car this way for the rest of its life so only having 
heard from somebody a while back that the fall-out bearing is 
causing the noise. If so, can an amateur garage mechanic like 
myself, repair this problem??
JohnE
10250





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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 07:08:08 -0000
From: "Adam 16683" <acprice1_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ventilation behavior/ booster check valve

I can put the brake pedal almost all the way down the first time, 
then the second pump is only about halfway. This is after the car was 
sitting for a weekend.

What part number is this check valve in the dmc parts guide?

thanks, Adam 16683

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jim Reeve" <ultra_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> The vaccume check valve for the brake booster also holds vaccume 
for 
> the vent flaps.  If this isn't holding vaccume after shutting off 
> the engine, that would return the flaps to their resting position 
> (closed) everytime you turn off the car.  And of course, they would 
> return to their vaccumed position after you restart the engine.  
How 
> far can you push down the brake pedal with the engine off?
> 
> Jim Reeve
> MNDMC - Minnesota DeLorean Club
> DMC-6960

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 07:50:39 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Tilley's Electric DeLorean Delorean Car Show

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> There are too possibilities
> 
> Either Tilley violated the second law of thermodynamics with exaggerated 
> claims
> 
> or
> 
> He really invented an energy saving device and the government and 
energy 
> industry confiscated all of his stuff to stop him from changing the world.
> 
> After all,  look what happened to DeLorean.
> 
> Sometimes you just never know.



While many shady happenings have happened in the past with big business 
trying to crush the little guy, and so on, I can't believe that Carl Tilley is this 
kind of "victim".

John DeLorean:
Former GM exec with a well proven track record of creating winning car 
designs, and setting sales records. Leaves on bad terms with employer, and 
challenges them at their own business. Created a legitimate company, 
producing a physical, tangible product. Is put out of business amid great 
controversy, and proof that foreign Govt. powers had conflicting interest with 
his business "enemy", General Motors. Margaret Thacther's husband Dennis 
is a MAJOR GM stockholder. This of course coupled with good 'ol fashioned, 
bad management, are what do the company in. Soon after DMC goes under, 
both GM, and Ford open up engine manufacturing plants in the same region. 
And tainted Govt. interests opt to shut down plant, and destroy all body dies, 
engineering plans, and spare parts that they could get ahold of, rather than 
keep it open to provide jobs, and recover tax payer loss.

Carl Tilley:
Past criminal history, including convictions mostly for some form of fraud. 
History of numerous scams as well. Has no tangible product to speak of, nor 
has any development records. His "invention" for keeping batteries charged is 
a silver box which collects static electricity, and diverts it into a bank of 
batteries, to keep them charged. Even others whom have seen his car 
operate state that the batteries are unable to keep a constant charge, and the 
the device doesn't work. Blames expected failure of his product when shown 
in public on a supposed "defect" in the DeLorean car. Best of all, this 
technology that doesn't function as promised, is NOT even his!

So with that said, no, I have no sympathy for Carl Tilley. He isn't an inventor, 
so much as he is a social engineer. His investors act more like followers, he 
refuses to answer direct questions, and he's constantly running from the 
police when having to answer to legal charges. JZD had is his brush with the 
law in '82, and even made it thru a couple of bankruptcy cases. But each time 
JZD stayed there, and faced those charges, and won, because he was right! 
He didn't flee the state, like Tilley, or even the country like others have done in 
the past. That takes a good amount of courage. Bravo to the man!

On the other hand, Tilley is both a fraud, and a coward. The man flees legal 
prosecution because he knows that he is in the wrong. And when he has 
been caught in the past, he's plea bargained his way out of things. According 
to records, he doesn't even have a valid license, so no one can track him thru 
the system. Not just for scamming people, but for damaging the image of the 
DeLorean car, I hope the Govt. files suit against him, convicts him, and sends 
him to Federal "Pound 'em in the _at_dml_ss" prison for a long time!

A vast resource about Tilley and his folleys can be found at:
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/fraud/index.html

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 10:50:52 +0000
From: <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: rear Light screw fixings

I am missing some of the lugs that the screws for the rear lights screw into on the rear facia. So I am just left with a bigger hole. Any one have any ideas get round this?

Thanks

Chris S



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 12:23:52 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Heli-coil How-to

Ok. I worked on my other valve head until 11:30 last night. I have 
the timing cover cleaned up, new crank seal installed. Valve cover 
cleaned up.

The head went badly. As with the other head, someone long ago, 
snapped off one exhaust stud. I had to dremel off one bolt. The 
others snapped off. I did manage to extract all the studs but the old 
broken off one. One stud welded itself to the exhaust manifold badly. 
When I pried the manifold off the head, I thought the stud was 
staying fixed in the block and the manifold was slipping off of it, 
but what really happened, was the stud remained in the manifold and I 
ripped the threads out of the head.

Now I don't care about the manifold. It's toast and I have a like-new 
set. I want to install a heli-coil in the head because I don't think 
there's enough metal left to tap it out.

Anyone know how to do this?

Rich




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:08:11 +0000
From: <chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Heli-coil How-to

Rich

> Now I don't care about the manifold. It's toast and I have a like-new 
> set. I want to install a heli-coil in the head because I don't think 
> there's enough metal left to tap it out.
> 
> Anyone know how to do this?

Take a look at http://www.recoil.com.au/

They produce and sell an M7x1.0 heli coils. You can buy a kit for about $35 ... Recoil Kits contain a HSS tap, installation tools, 10 precision stainless steel inserts and instructions in a sturdy reusable container.

Contact details in the USA

 USA: Fairchild Fasteners 
1051 Third Avenue SW, 
Carmel, IN 46032
 
  
Telephone  (317) 846 8830 or  
(800) 826 2884  
Fax:  (317) 846 8858 or  
(800) 5-RECOIL  
Email: sales_at_dml_recoilusa.com  
 

Hope this helps

Chris S





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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:08:32 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: High pitch sound from clutch

That sound is most likely your throwout bearing
or pilot (aka spigot) bearing.  Time to do your
clutch.

--
Mike

> For some years now, I have been hearing a high pitch sound from the 
> clutch. I know it is coming from the clutch because when I lightly 
> press down on the clutch pedal the sound goes away. I do not intend 
> to drive the car this way for the rest of its life so only having 
> heard from somebody a while back that the fall-out bearing is 
> causing the noise. If so, can an amateur garage mechanic like 
> myself, repair this problem??
> JohnE
> 10250



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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:55:39 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: ventilation behavior/ booster check valve

If your pedal goes to the floor the problem is NOT the vacuum check
valve. It's function is only to hold some vacuum for a short time
after the motor is shut down or during periods of low vacuum so you
would still have some boost for the pedal. The real problem is either
air in the brake system, a leak, or a bad master cylinder. You can
rule out a leak if the level never goes down. Inspect the front
bulkhead for moistness which would indicate a leaking master cylinder
which means it is bad. If it looks dry flush and bleed the brakes. If
that still won't correct the problem then the master cylinder is
leaking inside and must  be rebuilt or replaced. BTW you could pull
the vacuum hose off the booster and look inside the hose. If it is wet
that means the master cylinder is leaking into the booster which also
means you need to do the master cylinder. The tip-off is if the brake
fluid is going down, it only needs to be topped off if it is leaking
out (or over a long period of time to take up brake pad wear). If you
find you are always having to add fluid you have a leak which must be
fixed ASAP. Remember to try to use Castrol GTLMA DOT 4. Same stuff for
the clutch (if you have a 5-speed).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Adam 16683" <acprice1_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> I can put the brake pedal almost all the way down the first time, 
> then the second pump is only about halfway. This is after the car was 
> sitting for a weekend.
> 
> What part number is this check valve in the dmc parts guide?
> 
> thanks, Adam 16683
> 





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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:24:32 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: High pitch sound from clutch

It is just a guess that it is the throwout bearing. Usually they make
noise when you step on the clutch, not the other way around. The way
you "fix" this is to remove the transmission and clutch. Normally you
just replace everything in the clutch including the throwout bearing.
It is also a good time to check over the transmission and replace the
oil, any leaking seals, roll pin, etc. This can be done by someone
with some skills on cars, it is not too difficult. The hardest part is
the physical removal of the transmission, it is large, awkward, and
heavy especially when working on jackstands and a creeper. With the
help of assistants it is not too bad, the transmission is not all that
big. Call one of the "D" venders and get all the clutch parts and info
before you start. While you are doing this job you also inspect the
C/V boots and depending on the car it is a good idea to remove the
half-shafts and relubricate the joints. If the clutch line has not
been upgraded to the braided hose that should be done too. Inspect the
clutch master and slave cylinders and if they are leaking they should
also be replaced at this time. At the very least they should be
flushed with fresh brake fluid. Finally after replacing the clutch and
trans go over the gearshift linkage. Clean, lubricate, and check the
adjustments. When ordering all these parts a good spare part to also
have is a pivot bolt for the shift linkage. If it ever breaks you
cannot shift. It is a "special" shoulder bolt and not easily available
when you need it on a weekend! Keep it in the glove box and if you
ever need it at least a mechanic could put it in for you. You should
definately have the Workshop Manual to guide you and a full set of
metric wrenches and sockets. A good flat level floor, creeper,
jackstands, and jack are also important. You can use the floor jack to
remove and replace the trans with your helpers holding the trans on
the jack as you handle the jack up and down. I have done the automatic
trans which is larger and heavier all by myself but the 5-speed is a
little harder because you have to go in and out of the clutch so
everything has to be very lined up, especially when reinstalling.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "John Elgersma" <delorean_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> For some years now, I have been hearing a high pitch sound from the 
> clutch. I know it is coming from the clutch because when I lightly 
> press down on the clutch pedal the sound goes away. I do not intend 
> to drive the car this way for the rest of its life so only having 
> heard from somebody a while back that the fall-out bearing is 
> causing the noise. If so, can an amateur garage mechanic like 
> myself, repair this problem??
> JohnE
> 10250




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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DMC2?? New DeLorean sports car?

Hello all:

     The reason the web site no longer works is
because  the domain expired on june 15 03.  Looks like
it was registered to a video production company. 
Looked like a crock to me when i first saw it.

Us Unix guys love to dig.  Read the registar for
further info.


jordan 11613


Registrant:
RDP Productions, Inc. (DELOREANTIME-DOM)
   500 Airport Executive Park Suite 516
   Nanuet, NY 10954
   US

   Domain Name: DELOREANTIME.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
      Randy, Popkave  (PRC217)         
randy_at_dml_rdpvideo.com
      RDP Productions, Inc.
      500 AIRPORT EXECUTIVE PARK STE 516
      NANUET, NY 10954-5238
      US
      845 4261014 fax: 123 123 1234

   Record expires on 15-Jun-2003.
   Record created on 15-Oct-2002.
   Database last updated on 3-Jul-2003 12:10:54 EDT.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.NETNATION.COM            204.174.223.1
   NS2.NETNATION.COM            204.174.223.31







--- bk2d80s <bk2d80s_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> I had noticed that deloreantime.com had been updated
> a while back, 
> which gave me hope.But even more recently the site
> no longer works!?I 
> have tried it on 4 different computers. Does anyone
> know anything on 
> this subject.Despite my high hopes for the car, I
> have been led to 
> believe this project may be in some serious doubt.



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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 16:41:09 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Heli-coil How-to

Helicoils are the heat, especially in aluminum, especially around
cooling systems. Coil will weld itself to manifold etc, then fastener
will be steel on steel (like it should have been to begin with). Is
truly a one time fix.

Go slow and gentle tapping hole for helicoil. Aluminum is SOFT. You'll
be amazed how little effort is needed. 

Most parts houses stock English sizes only. McMaster Carr sells every
coil made (with FedEx standard shipping): www.mcmaster.com. Their
*ENTIRE* 3,000 page paper catalog is online BTW. While you're there
check out the selection of pipe fittings INCLUDING BRITISH THREAD.
Fastener selection ain't bad either. Only thing they they can't get is
7mm stainless steel (see Fastenal for those).

Oh, you wanted "how-to": 
1) Drill out broken fastener. Isn't end of the world if bit wanders a
LITTLE because helicoil about 1/16" bigger than fastener. 
2) Tap hole for helicoil. English coils are next bolt size up (5/16"
helicoil uses 3/8" thread). Don't know if metrics are same.
3) Screw in helicoil. Is a special tool for this, but I just catch
internal tab with a skinny flat screwdriver. Don't forget to snap tab
off after coil seated (is scored already -- just hit it with
screwdriver). If hole is deeper than your insert simply bottom out one
then follow with another. Can cut coils for 100% fit. 
4) Reattach whatever.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Ok. I worked on my other valve head until 11:30 last night. I have 
> the timing cover cleaned up, new crank seal installed. Valve cover 
> cleaned up.
> 
> The head went badly. As with the other head, someone long ago, 
> snapped off one exhaust stud. I had to dremel off one bolt. The 
> others snapped off. I did manage to extract all the studs but the old 
> broken off one. One stud welded itself to the exhaust manifold badly. 
> When I pried the manifold off the head, I thought the stud was 
> staying fixed in the block and the manifold was slipping off of it, 
> but what really happened, was the stud remained in the manifold and I 
> ripped the threads out of the head.
> 
> Now I don't care about the manifold. It's toast and I have a like-new 
> set. I want to install a heli-coil in the head because I don't think 
> there's enough metal left to tap it out.
> 
> Anyone know how to do this?
> 
> Rich




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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 21:21:06 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: rear Light screw fixings

M4 rivnuts.

Martin

chris_at_dml_internets.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

>I am missing some of the lugs that the screws for the rear lights screw into on the rear facia. So I am just left with a bigger hole. Any one have any ideas get round this?
>
>Thanks
>
>Chris S
>
>  
>





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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 21:35:23 -0000
From: "tnconlon" <P12C16_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Why are some VINs so large?

How can some vins be in the 10000s or 16000s when only around 8600 
DeLoreans were made?  Any insight to explain this to a new owner?  
I'm sure this is a stupid question but figured I would ask anyway :)

Thanks
Patrick
VIN 1880




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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:10:13 -0000
From: "bk2d80s" <bk2d80s_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DMC2?? New DeLorean sports car?

Hello,
Wow!That is interesting to know.I guess this puts the new car in even 
further doubt.I thought it was hard to believe from the start, but I 
still really wanted to believe John would succeed.Oh well what can we 
do.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
> Hello all:
> 
>      The reason the web site no longer works is
> because  the domain expired on june 15 03.  Looks like
> it was registered to a video production company. 
> Looked like a crock to me when i first saw it.
> 
> Us Unix guys love to dig.  Read the registar for
> further info.
> 
> 
> jordan 11613
> 
> 
> Registrant:
> RDP Productions, Inc. (DELOREANTIME-DOM)
>    500 Airport Executive Park Suite 516
>    Nanuet, NY 10954
>    US
> 
>    Domain Name: DELOREANTIME.COM
> 
>    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
>       Randy, Popkave  (PRC217)         
> randy_at_dml_r...
>       RDP Productions, Inc.
>       500 AIRPORT EXECUTIVE PARK STE 516
>       NANUET, NY 10954-5238
>       US
>       845 4261014 fax: 123 123 1234
> 
>    Record expires on 15-Jun-2003.
>    Record created on 15-Oct-2002.
>    Database last updated on 3-Jul-2003 12:10:54 EDT.
> 
>    Domain servers in listed order:
> 
>    NS1.NETNATION.COM            204.174.223.1
>    NS2.NETNATION.COM            204.174.223.31



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