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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1574
Date: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:23 AM

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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. "Where did you get it?"
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: Helicopter
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Re: Comments from a British Taxpayer
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

4. Re: Comments from a British Taxpayer
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

5. RE: big window.... was The drive-thru predicament
From: Bryan Carter <deloreanz_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Re: DMCH struts
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>

7. Re: Overheating-more info
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

8. Re: Overheating-more info
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

9. Re: What Tires to get??
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

10. Moment of Truth
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:09:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: "Where did you get it?"

So, she was a little girl..  But what the heck are you
supposed to say when an adult asks that question?

I think worse than the BTTF and Cocaine stuff, is the
"where did you get it?"  What a dumb ass question. 
What are they asking? they want to know who I bought
it from?  where the guy lived?!

No one ever asks me where I got my Mustang! 

OK, rant over.

--- Michael Paine <mpaine_at_dml_tycomsystems.com> wrote:
> This past Easter I was meeting some people for lunch
> at a nice resturant. I 
> stopped on the way to buy flowers from this little
> girl and her mother who were 
> selling flowers on the side of the road. The little
> girl said, "hey! it's the 
> back to the future car!" and her mother just smiled.
> The little girl asked me 
> where I got it and I told her I got it in Maryland.
> She then whirled around and 
> pleaded, "Mom! we HAVE to go to maryland right
> away!!!" I chuckled to myself at 
> her thinking that's where these cars come from while
> I drove away and went to 
> dinner.
>

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 12:17:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Helicopter


--- miltdanfoss <d_at_dml_nfoss.com> wrote:
 
> I may be loosing money by not keeping the miles low,
> but I am making 
> up for it in the value of diving a fun car that is
> fun to look at. 
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Money is NOT everything!!!  The DeLorean was built to
be driven.  Frankly, the more you drive it the more
you learn to like it.  And, the more you drive it, the
fewer and fewer glitches will come up.  

To live the dream you must drive the dream.

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 19:52:16 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Comments from a British Taxpayer

You might point out in the future that the British government got a
substantial amount of money in a settlement with Arther Anderson, the
accounting company for Delorean Motror Company, for allegedly
misleading investors (sounds like Enron which occures 20 years later)!.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "media1524" <brentlun_at_dml_n...> wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> I was at a local car show on the 4th with #17006 and attracted alot 
> of attention.  One man was giving my car a close inspection.  I went 
> over to see if he had any questions and in a British accent he said 
> no, he had never seen a DeLorean before and just wanted to see where 
> his tax dollars went.  He liked the car.
> 
> He had come over for the re-enactment of the Battle of Gettysburg 
> which was delayed until August due to wet conditions so he came to 





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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 22:23:08 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Comments from a British Taxpayer

We get a lot of that over here. Questions like "so how much of this car 
do I own?" are fairly commonplace and get filed under the same heading 
as "Flux capacitor jokes".

The standard response is to point out the many millions more the 
government squandered on British Leyland. Ask them if they'd like to own 
any car made by British Leyland, 20 years on.

Martin
DeLorean Motors UK

media1524 wrote:

> One man was giving my car a close inspection.  I went 
>over to see if he had any questions and in a British accent he said 
>no, he had never seen a DeLorean before and just wanted to see where 
>his tax dollars went.  
>





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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:54:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bryan Carter <deloreanz_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: big window.... was The drive-thru predicament

It would be cool to have a "real" window in a
Delorean, but once I thought about it, even though it
would be convenient,  I think I'd stick with the stock
windows.  I think that black bar adds character and
looks sleek with the body.  I think the Delorean would
look a bit more plain w/o that window guide.  Just my
5.4593 cents...

Bryan
(deloreanz)

--- Jason Perkins <jperkins_at_dml_microsoft.com> wrote:
> I would love to see some digital pics of this
> conversion.  Exactly how
> did they work again?    
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Strickland
> [mailto:ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 8:53 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DML] big window.... was The drive-thru
> predicament
> 
> This conversion must look bizarre!  Plus, I would
> not have guessed that
> the whole window would fit in the door.  Did you put
> in new window
> tracks/etc?
> 
> Jim
> 



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:41:49 -0400
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>
Subject: Re: DMCH struts

Thanks for the information. When the original struts came out and a few 
people had issues with them due to the slightly longer length, people 
were told (in my understanding, i could have the details wrong) that the 
struts are fine when to my knowledge no one ever said that the original 
issue that people had did exist and had been corrected.

As a result the mis-information came around because of few knowing that 
the original new struts were not the same new struts that you talk about 
now. Everyone just talked about the new struts.

Samuel

James Espey wrote:

>I'd like to correct this bit of misinformation that has been going around.
>
>The new door struts sold by DMC (Texas) are NOT the incorrect length. Our
>new struts ($39.95 each) have been remanufactured exclusively for us to the
>original specification, from the original drawings. The only differences at
>this point are the black nitride finish on the shafts, and the ends are
>"screw-on" rather than crimped on.



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:33:27 -0000
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Overheating-more info

Nick - Yes, you should be able to reach the radiator "bleeder hose" by 
reaching up on the passenger side.  It may be less athletic to remove 
the right front wheel to gain access without lying on your back.  
Then, you simply loosen the clamp on the small hose, and make sure 
that you get a good stream of fluid from the joint.  This should 
relieve any air pockets that are jammed in the radiator.  You may want 
to loosen the "radiator cap" on the fill bottle as you do this.  
Always verify that you have a proper fluid level in the fill tank 
before you start.  It is also possible to get air pockets in the 
heater core, so the heater should always be turned on to maximum 
temperature when trying to eliminate the air from the cooling system.  
The "self-bleeder" system is really designed to eliminate the air that 
might be trapped in the engine itself.  I know that some people on the 
DML are saying that it's not necessary, if everything is working to 
perfection.  I have learned that "stuff happens", and this system 
helps to minimize the effects of that "stuff".  With all air pockets 
eliminated using the procedures mentioned here and elsewhere, the 
system should not accumulate any more air if the fluid levels are 
monitored periodically, and topped off as necessary.  BTW - What was 
the final solution for the fans?  I always want to learn what I can 
from recent challenges.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "nbrommer2k" <nickbrom_at_dml_a...> wrote:

> Bleeding the radiator: Can I reach this bleed-off tube that Harold 
> mentioned without the car being on a lift or ramps?
> 
> Nick




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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:52:31 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Overheating-more info

Yes, you can get to the hose by lying on the ground. Locate it that 
way and you will see it. Put some light on it so you can see what 
you're doing. Loosing the clamp and sliding it back will allow you 
to maneuver the hose to bleed off the air.

After reading your current post, it is possible the belt may have 
been too tight. Correct tension is important and the temperature of 
the engine needs to be considered. Adjusted too tight when cold will 
really stretch the belts to their limits. When the engine expands 
the belts get tighter.

Harold McElraft - 3354



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "nbrommer2k" <nickbrom_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Currently, the water pump is turning, and not making any unusual 
> noises. Alternator is also turning freely.
> 
> The thermostat was changed out 3 weeks ago, and has been 
functioning 
> properly. On the day of the belt/hose failure, I had been running 
the 
> car around town and it was running at the correct temperature.
> 
> The hose that popped off was one that I had recently replaced, so 
> there is a definite possibilty that it was not installed tightly 
> enough.
> 
> Bleeding the radiator: Can I reach this bleed-off tube that Harold 
> mentioned without the car being on a lift or ramps?
> 
> Nick




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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:18:14 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: What Tires to get??

After reading all the posts I felt I should give you my experiences. 
Goodyear and Goodrich are both great tires except - after about 25 
percent tread life they became extremely noisy. The Goodrich so much 
so I thought I had a rear wheel bearing going bad. I next had 
Yokohamas for a while. They were much quieter but I never was 
comfortable with the wet road traction. I have the Michelin Pilot 
XGT H4's now and they have been superb - quiet, smooth and great in 
the rain. The big negative is the high price. I noticed Michelin has 
a $50 back offer going on a set of 4 which helps some.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "p12c16" <p12c16_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> My dad and I are planning on getting new tires for our new 
DeLorean, 
> but I figured I would check with all of you to see what you 
prefer.  
> We are leaning towards the Yokohamas, but what do you all 
reccomend?
> 
> Patrick
> VIN 1880
> P12C16_at_dml_a...




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 01:53:55 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Moment of Truth

Ok kids, here's what's happening:

I bought a big honkin' Optima battery. I discovered my grounds and 
battery connections were dirty so I cleaned them up. That got the 
starter to engage. Hooked up the alternator belt and the little wire 
for the "discharge" light on the dash. Oil, coolant, etc.

By now, it was getting dark, so I didn't fool with it for long.

The engine squeaks. It's -bone dry-. I did my best to get the timing 
as close as I could, but the car didn't start. It tried once or 
twice. I had a helper crank the engine, and I felt it puff a feeble 
sort of back fire a couple of times.

I think it's the timing. I feel very confident that I set the chains, 
pistons, and valves correctly. I rotated the engine by hand, and 
nothing was interfering. The distributor though...

Here's what I did: Set piston 1 at TDC. Then I set the rotor in the 
distributor in line with electrode #1 in distro cap. I then installed 
the distributor and put the cap on, making sure they were still in 
line.

Hm...TDC? It's supposed to be 13 degrees -before- TDC, right? Am I an 
entire gear tooth off, or can I adjust 13 degrees with the swing in 
the distributor?

The really good news? The engine isn't pukeing any fluids. 

Come on guys, I'm close. Help me out, I want to go to Pigeon Forge!

Rich
#5335





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