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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1576
Date: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 7:24 AM

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There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. BTTF Questions
From: Sean Mulligan <sean_mulligan_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Re: What Tires to get??
From: Sean Mulligan <sean_mulligan_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Re: Re: "Where did you get it?"
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

4. Re: Overheating (factory original heater hoses)
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

5. Re: Helicopter
From: "gr8old1" <webmaster_at_dml_88-mph.com>

6. Re: "Where did you get it?"
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. Re: BTTF Questions
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>

8. Re: What Tires to Get
From: "Bob Thomason" <rdt7_at_dml_carolina.rr.com>

9. Re: Overheating (factory original heater hoses)
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

10. parts discovery...
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>

11. Re: Helicopter
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com

12. Re: BTTF Questions
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

13. Re: Digest Number 1575
From: ronaldcas_at_dml_aol.com

14. FREE Classified Ads
From: gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com

15. Re: Re: "Where did you get it?"
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_cox.net>

16. Re: Overheating
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

17. Moment of Truth (continued)
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

18. RE: Re: Key codes for two key cars
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

19. "1966" comment
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

20. Re: Welding the head
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

21. RE: What Tires to get??
From: "michael townsley" <townfour_at_dml_mindspring.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:44:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean Mulligan <sean_mulligan_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: BTTF Questions

Was wondering if anyone has come up with any good
one-liners for people who ask the usual questions. 
What happens when you get it up to 88?  Where's the
flux capacitor?  Where do you find plutonium?

I usually tell people I get pulled over by the cops
when I get up to 88.

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:46:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean Mulligan <sean_mulligan_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: What Tires to get??

Eagle GT II's have been pretty sweet to me.


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:06:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Re: "Where did you get it?"

I used to be taken aback by this as well... but have gotten used to it. I now just tell them I paid $12k for it. People are usually very surprised that I paid so little for my car, so I just explain it's a continuing work in progress... and that really nice DeLoreans go for $20k+.

Louie Golden
VIN 10115 Sanford, NC

--- "thomaspaulmccoy" <thomaspaulmccoy_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
>The most insulting question I get is:
>
>"How much did you pay for it?"
>
>I always tell people its not polite to talk about money, but they 
>keep repeating the question until I tell.  How do other owners get 
>around this rude question?
>
>Thomas
>Bolt of Lightning #6921

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:38:42 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Overheating (factory original heater hoses)

This just proves the point I've been over-making recently: are too
many cars running around with factory original (translated: 21 year
old) hoses in cooling system. I know I sound like a broken record, but
this is too serious an issue to neglect. You don't want to overheat an
aluminum engine. Replacing the big formed hoses IS important, but it
is only part of the story. Every drop of coolant that passes through
them will eventually make its way through heater core lines and the
lines hidden under intake manifold as well.

Am waiting to see if a rash of broken hoses arises similar to TAB and
lower control arm failures.

Re: difficult to reach clamp -- next time just cut it off with a pair
of aviation snips. Use a utility knife to make V shaped notch in hose
for blades to fit under band. 

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "vin2105" <phil_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Just went through this bleeding procedure on Sunday. 
> 
> I had driven across town to get some stuff to spiff up the car for a
parade this coming 
> week and as I got close to home I noticed the rear window was a
little foggy on the 
> outside. As I turned on to my street I saw a cloud of steam rolling
out the back. 
> Parked in the driveway and opened the engine compartment to find the
heater hose 
> thats hidden under the distributor had a small split.
> 
> Spent the rest of the afternoon replacing the heater hoses and
heater shut off valve. 
> Fortunatly, I had the hose kit from DMCH sitting in the garage and I
was able to find a 
> heater shutoff valve that fit at NAPA. Not my first choice but it
fits and works. 
> 
> The heater hoses were the original ones and someone at the factory
must have had a 
> wicked sense of humor. From the looks of things, they installed the
hoses before the 
> body was mated to the frame. Where the hose connects to the pipe by
the TAB,  the 
> head on the clamp was installed facing up leaving no practical way
to loosen it. Spent 
> a half hour with stubby .25 inch wrench loosening it a fration of a
turn at a time.
> 
> I lost about a gallon and a half of coolant including what drained
out when i took the 
> hoses off but after bleeding every thing is fine. 
> 
> I'm glad it happened now rather than in the middle of the parade
next week.
> 
> Phil




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:50:55 -0000
From: "gr8old1" <webmaster_at_dml_88-mph.com>
Subject: Re: Helicopter

I'm sure i'm not the only one who detected the irony of this message! 


-Jeff Chabotte
Norwich, CT
Webmaster: http://www.88-mph.com

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, kayoong_at_dml_a... wrote:
> I agree.
> 
> I have owned #5508 since April 1, 1966.  ]




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:52:24 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: "Where did you get it?"

I just tell them what a "new" reconditioned Delorean costs.  Then 
let them figure it out from there.

Erik




--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "thomaspaulmccoy" 
<thomaspaulmccoy_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> The most insulting question I get is:
> 
> "How much did you pay for it?"
> 
> I always tell people its not polite to talk about money, but they 
> keep repeating the question until I tell.  How do other owners get 
> around this rude question?
> 
> 
> Thomas
> Bolt of Lightning #6921
> 
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> > "where did you get it?"  What a dumb ass question. 
> > What are they asking? they want to know who I bought
> > it from?  where the guy lived?!




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:53:06 -0400
From: "Joseph Molino" <foxmul_at_dml_bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: BTTF Questions

dear List,

you know how they sell prop flux capcitors on ebay from time to time?  well
I bought one just so when people ask where is the flux capacitor?  I tell
them... Over there and I point.  heheheh  They stand there open mouthed and
have no come backs.

joseph Molino

vin 2850
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Mulligan" <sean_mulligan_at_dml_yahoo.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:44 PM
Subject: [DML] BTTF Questions


> Was wondering if anyone has come up with any good
> one-liners for people who ask the usual questions.
> What happens when you get it up to 88?  Where's the
> flux capacitor?  Where do you find plutonium?
>
> I usually tell people I get pulled over by the cops
> when I get up to 88.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:00:28 -0400
From: "Bob Thomason" <rdt7_at_dml_carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: What Tires to Get

I recently put a set of Michelin Pilots on the front and rear of my car. I love them. Very smoothe ride. The difference in steering ease was phenominal, but admittedly the Yokohama's I replaced were quite worn. Most of my driving is in town with occasional highway trips. No high speed stuff.

By the way, I agree with the "Deloreans are meant to be driven" philosophy. I've been driving mine daily now for a year and a half with no major problems. I've replaced one cooling hose, recharged the AC, adjusted the doors (no charge thanks to Dave Swingle - thanks again Dave!) and replaced the tires. My opinion is once a Delorean is in shape it doesn't require any more work or $$ to keep it running than any other 22 year old car. The second best part of owning a Delorean is after a year and a half, it's still worth at least what I paid for it, maybe more! The best part of owning one is, of course, is driving it.

Bob Thomason #5252


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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:50:12 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Overheating (factory original heater hoses)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> 
wrote:
> This just proves the point I've been over-making recently: are too
> many cars running around with factory original (translated: 21 year
> old) hoses in cooling system. 
<SNIP>
> Am waiting to see if a rash of broken hoses arises similar to TAB 
and
> lower control arm failures.

Already beat you too it.

1. Bypass hose on water pump split last year. Caught me off guard, as 
was the only time I had a coolant failure, and the idiot light for 
the alternator did NOT turn on.

2. Small leak behind water pump, proven by a small pool of coolant on 
engine block. Exact source of leak is undeterminable, however,I'd put 
my money on the hose connecting the pump, to the Y-pipe.

3. Hose connecting to heater core inside of the heating & A/C box has 
sprung a tiny leak. Coolant loss is VERY minimal, needing only to be 
topped off every few months. However, a nasty film of glycol is 
condensing on the edges of my windscreen.


All of the above leaks are on 20 year old hoses. Every other 
connecting hose in the entire system has been replaced. Although I'm 
still scratching my head as to why the ones on the water pump were 
left untouched. In addition, my car is a daily driver, and is 
operated in the extreme heat of Las Vegas durring my commute, and 
various travels. So my system REALLY gets a work out, and as a 
result, the lifespan of the 20 year old rubber has been shortened.

So yes, I'd advise to be prepaired to start seeing this as an 
increasing trend over the next couple of years. Even if this doesn't 
turn out to be a trend with cars experiencing mass failures of their 
cooling systems on the road, it still is going to happen one day, 
unless thoses hoses are replaced.

-Robert
vin 6585




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:00:02 -0500
From: James Espey <james_at_dml_usadmc.com>
Subject: parts discovery...

New find in the warehouse recently...

106350 - Gasket, Fuel Fill Cvr - $7.56 retail
106351 - Gasket, Servo Access Cvr - $5.35 retail
106353 - Gasket, Fuel Tank Insp Cvr - $8.30 retail

These parts are not illustrated in the Parts Manual, but are generally
associated with the parts 106002, 106004 and 105168 respectively in section
8-2-1.

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
15023 Eddie Drive
Humble, Texas 77396

281/441-2537 Voice
281/441-2813 Fax
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.delorean.com 




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:51:15 EDT
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Helicopter

Arnie:

Sorry, that was a typo....I meant to say "1996"  .... Thanks for bring that 
out  :-)

Kayo

================================================================

In a message dated 7/8/03 4:43:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, arnie_at_dml_pndc.org 
writes:
WOW, yours must be a pre-pre-pre production car.  Didn't realize production
began in 1966.  Typo?
Arnie

-----Original Message-----
From: kayoong_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:kayoong_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:11 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Helicopter


I agree.

I have owned #5508 since April 1, 1966.  Since then, I have logged over
90,000 miles and most of it is in New York City area and the radius of 100
miles
surrounding the city.  I used my car daily and at times I have driven my car
on
long trips that can be 1,000 miles per run (one way) and only to stop for
fuel
and restroom stops.  Many of these trips have been in good weather as well
as
in the rain, snow, extreme hot sunny days and etc.  I have driven my
DeLorean
as I would as with any contemporary modern car and it can handle it.

So, on this point, what is the value of my car for me?  For me, as long as
it
support me as a vehicle as it was design to do -- To be road worthy at all
times and to be trouble free -- TO BE ON THE ROAD RUNNING!

Yes, I do get the normal wear and tear that all vehicles are subjected to,
but I do have my car properly serviced when the time is due, which includes
replacing or rebuilding parts when necessary.  Remember, proper maintenance
is a
MUST and yes, a "X" amount of money must be allocated for the maintenance as
well as for the up keeping -- just to keep it in tip top running condition.
This "X" amount is not necessarily as much to be spent and the stress that
you
will encounter when you are stuck on the road, or when you discover all the
problems that will surface after long periods of non-usage.

As long as the electrical and some of the other "quirks" taken care of and
the updated are performed, I believe the DeLorean is NOT a troublesome car
as
many owners complains it to be.

Bottom line???  If you have the time and money, do enjoy driving your car
when you can.  For, if not now .... When???

Kayo Ong
#5508
Lic. 9D NY

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In a message dated 7/7/03 10:32:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:

--- miltdanfoss <d_at_dml_nfoss.com> wrote:

> I may be loosing money by not keeping the miles low,
> but I am making
> up for it in the value of diving a fun car that is
> fun to look at.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Money is NOT everything!!!  The DeLorean was built to
be driven.  Frankly, the more you drive it the more
you learn to like it.  And, the more you drive it, the
fewer and fewer glitches will come up.

To live the dream you must drive the dream.

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867


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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 15:52:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: BTTF Questions

I try to remain humorous when people ask these things...

>What happens when you get it up to 88?  

The entire car blows up and bursts into flames!

>Where's the flux capacitor?

Mine's the base model... it didn't come with that option :-)

Louie Golden
VIN 10115 Sanford, NC


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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:04:43 EDT
From: ronaldcas_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1575

In a message dated 7/8/2003 4:46:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com writes:

> How do other owners get 
> around this rude question?
> 
> 

Hey.  Hows it going?
I usually just say "enough'.  Thats just says enough (actually nothing) that 
they usually dont probe any further.  They can tell by that comment that I 
wont say.

Loving MD!
SSR


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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 19:08:20 -0500
From: gullwingmagazine_at_dml_juno.com
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:42:36 -0700
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: "Where did you get it?"

Some of the younger guys seem to imply that they would buy one if only they could find one.  That and how much is it worth?  I tell them to check out eBay as there are always several available there for $10,000 and up.  That seems to surprise them and end the dollar questions.  If they're nice I don't mind talking about the car.

Mike Atkinson
vin 16232     




  The most insulting question I get is:

  "How much did you pay for it?"

  I always tell people its not polite to talk about money, but they 
  keep repeating the question until I tell.  How do other owners get 
  around this rude question?


  Thomas
  Bolt of Lightning #6921



  --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_y...> wrote:
  > "where did you get it?"  What a dumb ass question. 
  > What are they asking? they want to know who I bought
  > it from?  where the guy lived?!

  My stock response to this question is "The car sold for $25,000 new in 
  1981".  They usually say "huh!", and wander away.  The more persistent 
  ones come back with "How much is it worth now?".  My reply to that is 
  that you can buy an essentially "factory-refurbished" car for around 
  $35,000, ranging all the way down to under $10,000 for a project car.  
  That usually satisfies them.  Hope that helps.

  Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
  Winged1


  I used to be taken aback by this as well... but have gotten used to it. I now just tell them I paid $12k for it. People are usually very surprised that I paid so little for my car, so I just explain it's a continuing work in progress... and that really nice DeLoreans go for $20k+.

  Louie Golden
  VIN 10115 Sanford, NC





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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 03:34:26 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Overheating

Every hose on the car is equally important including the ones you
can't see on top of the engine. All of the hoses are under 15 psi and
operate at over 200 degrees. You should not expect them to last 20 +
years, this goes for the belts too. If you have a coolant leak
ANYWHERE you are going to have a problem. Even a seemingly small leak
will eventually allow air into the system causing the water pump to
stop circulating or reducing the capacity of the radiator. I urge
everyone on the DML to replace ALL of the coolant hoses and seals if
they are origional or if you just don't know. The PRV-6 is a rugged
little engine but it can't take overheating. For a bulletproof cooling
system I recommend the following
Replace ALL hoses and seals (including the heater hoses front AND rear)
Replace the idler bearings
Replace the "vee" belts
Switch to a metal header bottle
Replace the otterstadt switch and seal and convert to the higher vin
configuration if an early car
Upgrade the 2 circuit breakers by fuse block
Go with a Fanzilla
Use a 50/50 mix of soft water and premium anti-freeze that says safe
for aluminum and change it every 2 years
Pressurize the system for 15 min to 15 psi and bleed for air while
testing for leaks
Test the pressure cap
Install an overflow recovery bottle on the hose under the pressure cap.
Replace the origional radiater that has the plastic tanks on it with a
triple row brass radiator.
Make sure both fans run and are blowing from front to rear and the
fans are not loose on the motor shafts
Make sure there is no crud blocking the air flow through the radiator
Do not block or obstruct the tiny grills in front of the radiator
(like with a license plate)
If you do all of these things you will have a very reliable cooling
system on the Delorean. IMHO the two weakest areas of the car are the
cooling system and the electrical system. These improvements will take
out the majority of the problems. It will be expensive but so is
towing and doing the repairs anyway and the possability of doing
expensive damage to the motor.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "vin2105" <phil_at_dml_a...> wrote:
> Just went through this bleeding procedure on Sunday. 
> 
> I had driven across town to get some stuff to spiff up the car for a
parade this coming 
> week and as I got close to home I noticed the rear window was a
little foggy on the 





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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 03:46:47 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Moment of Truth (continued)

I wasn't worried about crank nut -- just wondered what you used to
remove pulley after nut off.

Like most engines, PRV pistons do indeed hit twice in each combustion
cycle. Is about only thing it has in common...

When I said pulley has two timing marks, was talking only about
reindexing TDC. Of course distributor can only fire near top (10
degrees -- sorry, couldn't resist) of compression stroke. Was under
impression you watched valves before marking rotor location. That's
why I wondered if valve covers were still off engine.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> You aint been paying attention. :) I bought $350.00 worth of air 
> compressor, tank and tools. That's how I got the crank pulley off.
> 
> Folks are also saying I could be 180 degrees off because #1 piston is 
> TDC 2X for every one revolution of the distributor.
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> 
> wrote:
> > Pigeon Forge is a year away...
> > 
> > One tooth makes all the difference in the world. Translates into a 
> LOT
> > of rotor travel (how many teeth are on the worm gear? Divide 360 by
> > that and you'll see what you're up against). Despite my best 
> efforts,
> > got mine one off (removed to better access heater core take off). 
> Seem
> > to remember something interfering with far swing in direction I 
> needed
> > to go. Pulled upper air assembly off AGAIN (by that time was getting
> > real good) and reinstalled one tooth over. Success.
> > 
> > You can diagnose with timing light as you rotate engine with starter
> > motor only. Slow, but it does work. Either jump the solenoid, or 
> con a
> > willing family member into turning the key.
> > 
> > You did re-index TDC cylinder #1... (stock PRV has two marks on 
> crank
> > pully so it doesn't matter which stroke you were on).
> > 
> > BTW: How did you finally remove crank pully? I've got to replace 
> seal
> > in timing case cover so mine's coming off too.
> > 
> > Bill Robertson
> > #5939
> > 
> > >--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> > > Ok kids, here's what's happening:
> > > 
> > > I bought a big honkin' Optima battery. I discovered my grounds 
> and 
> > > battery connections were dirty so I cleaned them up. That got the 
> > > starter to engage. Hooked up the alternator belt and the little 
> wire 
> > > for the "discharge" light on the dash. Oil, coolant, etc.
> > > 
> > > By now, it was getting dark, so I didn't fool with it for long.
> > > 
> > > The engine squeaks. It's -bone dry-. I did my best to get the 
> timing 
> > > as close as I could, but the car didn't start. It tried once or 
> > > twice. I had a helper crank the engine, and I felt it puff a 
> feeble 
> > > sort of back fire a couple of times.
> > > 
> > > I think it's the timing. I feel very confident that I set the 
> chains, 
> > > pistons, and valves correctly. I rotated the engine by hand, and 
> > > nothing was interfering. The distributor though...
> > > 
> > > Here's what I did: Set piston 1 at TDC. Then I set the rotor in 
> the 
> > > distributor in line with electrode #1 in distro cap. I then 
> installed 
> > > the distributor and put the cap on, making sure they were still 
> in 
> > > line.
> > > 
> > > Hm...TDC? It's supposed to be 13 degrees -before- TDC, right? Am 
> I an 
> > > entire gear tooth off, or can I adjust 13 degrees with the swing 
> in 
> > > the distributor?
> > > 
> > > The really good news? The engine isn't pukeing any fluids. 
> > > 
> > > Come on guys, I'm close. Help me out, I want to go to Pigeon 
> Forge!
> > > 
> > > Rich
> > > #5335




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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:03:05 -0500
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Key codes for two key cars

Two-key cars use two different blanks and cuts.
A door-key code start with WR and is between 5,000 and 5,999.
These door locks use an ilco blank number X169.
The ignition/later door locks use an ilco blank X29.

Bill, your ignition probably was replaced. Do the door keys operate the box
behind the driver's seat?

Hmm. Two interesting thoughts struck me.
1) Do the REAL two-key car's driver's box lock get opened by the door key
(X169, WR#) or by the ignition (X29, 7xxxX)?
2) Do UK/right side drive cars have the battery behind the driver (same
hole) or did they switch the holes around?

-Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: content22207 [mailto:brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:55 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Key codes for two key cars


Did two key cars use same blank for each? Don't know if mine is proper
two key or if ignition cylinder was replaced with compatible grooves but:

With different keys now for ignition and doors (actually just one
double cut key), I only have one X code under driver headliner.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> There is usually a code written above the driver's side door headliner.
> It is between 7,000-9,999 and usually has an X at the end.
> That the ignition code for two-key cars and the only code for
one-key cars.
>
> If you have a two-key car... I don't know. The only one I've tried
so far
> only had the door code. Never could get a key cut for that one. I've
asked,
> but no other two-key cars owners have told me if they have both codes
> written up there or not. Or if there is an ignition code anywhere else.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Paine [mailto:mpaine_at_dml_t...]
> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:18 PM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [DML] Ignition switch cross reference?
>
>
> how cfould I get the codes to get my key code cut? I have 2 blanks from
> PJ Grady I just haven't cut them yet as the shops her edo trace cuts
> only.
>
> > Does your key work good? I worn out key will bugger up the switch and
> > the
> > locking pin.
> > Don't just get a trace-copy done, get a code-cut key, original specs.
> > Some one on the list does them... let's see. Who was that? Oh, yeah
> > it's me.
> > I'm not shilling for myself: there's not a scent (or is that cent?)
> > of
> > profit it in for me yet.
> >
> > As for cross-reference; I believe there are some Euro cars (Volvo?)
> > that
> > cross-over. It may even be in the xref sheet. But I would get one
> > from the
> > DMC vendors-- it's worth it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: My House [mailto:BePositive2000_at_dml_Y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 12:34 PM
> > To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [DML] Ignition switch cross reference?
> >
> >
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 04:08:37 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: "1966" comment

Actually the GTO debuted in 1964.

(Hopefully people won't hold me accountable for MY many typo's...)

Re: general public comments -- one of the reasons people worry mess
out of us about our cars is because they are actually artfully
designed. Compare to unimaginative cookie cutter look alike soap
bubble cars rolling out of any factory today, and the attraction is
obvious. Like moths to a flame. Did the public give up on design, or
did the designers give up on the public?

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "gr8old1" <webmaster_at_dml_8...> wrote:
> I'm sure i'm not the only one who detected the irony of this message! 
> 
> 
> -Jeff Chabotte
> Norwich, CT
> Webmaster: http://www.88-mph.com
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, kayoong_at_dml_a... wrote:
> > I agree.
> > 
> > I have owned #5508 since April 1, 1966.  ]




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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 04:19:39 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Welding the head

Aluminum heads are generally considered disposable on cast iron blocks...

You'd probably have better success with a replacement. See Message
#31008, then contact Martin Gutkowski direct. He's become rather
expert of late retrofitting Volvo components on PRV. B28F is standard
in early 80's 260 series, and mid 80's 760 series.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Travis Goodwin <tgoodwin_at_dml_v...> wrote:
> Has anyone attempted this? How did it turn out?




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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:48:00 -0400
From: "michael townsley" <townfour_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: What Tires to get??

Could you please fill me in on the "New Goodyear" tires...I have not heard
that they make a matched set for the Delorean. I have the original NCT's on
my car but the car has set along time and when I had the front's balanced I
was told they were out of round. If Goodyear now makes a matched set...then
I could perhaps change the fronts now and reduce the vibration and then
replace the rears latter on.

Michael W. Townsley, Principal
Townsley Consulting Group, LLC
2 Fox Hill Road
Old Saybrook, Connecticut 06475
860 304 2412
townfour_at_dml_mindspring.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Louie Golden [mailto:louie_at_dml_delorean.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 2:46 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] What Tires to get??

I had the Yoko's on my car when I bought it, and HATED them. The tread life
was absolutely unacceptable, I don't like the way they look on the car, and
they were scary in the rain. I don't think they're still available anymore
either... they were discontinued within the last year or so. I replaced my
tires with Michelin Pilot XGT's... and I couldn't be happier with them. I
believe their traction is every bit as good, if not better than the Yoko's
(though I think the new Goodyears look the best), the ride MUCH better, and
they also look really good on the car. Their tread wear has proven much
better too. Quite a few owners are now putting these on their cars, so I'm
not the lone nutty one... LOL. Congrats on the new DeLo too by the way!

Louie Golden
VIN 10115 Sanford, NC

--- "p12c16" <p12c16_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
>My dad and I are planning on getting new tires for our new DeLorean, 
>but I figured I would check with all of you to see what you prefer.  
>We are leaning towards the Yokohamas, but what do you all reccomend?
>
>Patrick
>VIN 1880

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