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Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:32 AM

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: odd noise!!
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_Maya.com>

2. SEDOC CRUISE IN:
From: "delor_01" <JOHN.JORDAN_at_dml_ED.GOV>

3. Re: Forgot the picture...
From: "Gary Weaver II" <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>

4. Re: DeLorean stalling when in gear: more symptoms
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

5. Re: fuel filter and seal?
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>

6. RE: New master clutch problem
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

7. Re: New master clutch problem
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

8. RE: Re: New master clutch problem
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

9. RE: fuel gage pegged straight up
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

10. RE: fuel gage pegged straight up
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

11. Delorean Mid Atlantic Club Summer Fun Run Final Update!
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

12. RE: Re: New master clutch problem
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

13. RE: fuel filter and seal?
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

14. Looking for a car inspector in Wisconsin
From: "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:21:45 -0400
From: Peter Lucas <lucas_at_dml_Maya.com>
Subject: Re: odd noise!!

My car makes a very pronounced and rather unusual sucking sound as its 
last warning that we are about to run out of gas.   Cavitation in the 
fuel pump, I imagine.  Could it be that you are either almost out of 
gas or else have some problem with your fuel pickup hose?

--Pete Lucas
   VIN #06703

On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 09:51  AM, Paul Salsbury wrote:

>  --- Mike Substelny wrote:
>
>> This sounds like a vacuum leak from the AC selector
> switch.
>
>
> Mike it's definately not a vacume leak, I've been
> there and done that, and am quite confident I have no
> leaks.
>
> Paul
> #6463




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:57:10 -0000
From: "delor_01" <JOHN.JORDAN_at_dml_ED.GOV>
Subject: SEDOC CRUISE IN:


Y'ALL GET READY--SEDOC IS ON THE MOVE!!!!!!!!

Southeastern DeLorean Owners Club PRESENTS:

THE THIRD BIANNUAL "CRUISE-IN"

 SEPTEMBER 20 AND 21, 2003

A flock of gull wing DeLoreans will settle again on beautiful Lake 
Lanier for the third biannual "Cruise-In". The Olympic Rowing Venue 
will be the gathering place for the two day event. 

A super show is planned for fun, friendship, technical information, 
premium awards, superb dinning, parts fair and cruising Road Atlanta. 

The two day event begins with a gathering of DeLorean owners to hear 
technical presentations by suppliers and manufacturers of DeLorean 
parts. 

Our presenters are the principle suppliers to the world of DeLoreans. 
Their presentations will focus on "What's New and Updates". Each 
presenter will also provide a display and sale of parts during the 
parts fair. 

Two specially equipped DeLoreans will be on display including DMC 
Houston's Performance Engine and ZILLA Electronic Products. 

Saturday afternoon's session begins with a happy choice of an award 
winning Southern Barbeque Buffet or the Atlanta Falcon Pizza Feast.

Following lunch there will be the early registration drawing of over 
$1,600.00 in premium items for registrations post marked prior to 
September 7, 2003. The last drawing will be to determine the lucky 
winner of half the cash in the 50/50 pot. 

Saturday evening we will be hosted to "Candle Light Dinner On The 
Dock" by the Olympic Rowing Club. Lake Lanier is up to capacity this 
year, so we will really be on the docks this year.   Twenty-four 
restaurants will provide the best of menu for three hours of fine 
dinning. It will be a dress up casual dinner with your favorite 
beverage, friends and a great closing of the first day. 

Sunday morning begins with a rally at the Olympic Venue to caravan to 
the world class Road Atlanta race track. We will be hosted by the BMW 
Club to cruise Road Atlanta between 11:30 and 12:30. Following 
several pace car led laps and a photo op, we will remain to watch 
their event. 
 
MARK YOUR CALANDERS--MUCH MORE INFORMATION TO FOLLWO:

RE  JOHN JORDAN   SEDOC
404 562 6075




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:01:03 -0000
From: "Gary Weaver II" <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Forgot the picture...

My direct website is not finished yet, but I do have a thread 
started three months ago on the BTTF.com Message boards...

http://www.bttf.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?
ubb=get_topic;f=10;t=000434

Here are two links some friends and family sent of their photos at a 
convention we went to last month...

http://www.members.cox.net/miller422/TrekExpo03/index.htm

and

http://www.gbronline.com/dwm2k2/bttf2.htm

I hope to have some waay better pictures and video up in the near 
future... Just about as soon as I get that damn torsion bar 
replaced... ugh...

-Gary Weaver II
Tulsa, OK

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Scott Mueller" 
<scott.a.mueller_at_dml_m...> wrote:
> Gary,
> 
> Looks good.
> 
> Do you have any more pictures, perhaps some close-ups.
> 
> Scott Mueller
> 002981
> RNDOLA



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:31:25 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: DeLorean stalling when in gear: more symptoms

Raising the car on a lift could also allow the trailing arm bolt 
bracket to move, if loose at all, improving the ground connection. 
That is THE ground for the car so I would definately check it out 
and be positive it is a good connection.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> Joe - This is kind of a "shot in the dark", but there is a large 
> wire bundle that passes very close to the left front tire.  This 
> bundle has many important wires in it, including the fuel pump 
power 
> feed.  We have had a couple of incidents in the PNDC where the 
wire 
> bundle came loose from it's clamps, and rubbed against the tire.  
> After some period of time, the tire wore through the insulation of 
> several of the individual wires, and caused some periodic shorts 
> when the tires rotated or were turned by the steering wheel.  With 
> the car up on a lift, the tire will drop away from the wheel well, 
> creating extra clearance with the wire bundle.  I don't know if 
this 
> is your problem, but it's worth a quick look.
> 
> Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
> Winged1
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Joe Angell <jangell_at_dml_t...> wrote:
> > 
> > More on my wacky DeLorean troubles:
> > My mechanic tells me that if the DeLorean is raised on the lift, 
> >it does not stall in any gear. The moment the car is back on it's 
> >wheels and is not being supported by the lift at all, it stalls 
> >when in gear.  
> > How very strange.
> >




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:32:47 -0400
From: "Dave Sontos" <dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net>
Subject: Re: fuel filter and seal?

Is this a DeLorean fuel filter or one from a cross reference sheet?? I don't
remember which one but one of the cross reference fuel filters leaks at the
top fitting and no amount of tightening will fix it.

Dave Sontos
vin 02573
----- Original Message -----
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
To: "Dmc /dml" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:06 PM
Subject: [DML] fuel filter and seal?



but I went ahead and started on the fuel
> filter.
> It's back in, but I will have to pull it out again because the inlet angle
> adapter leaks. I thought I tightened it in enough, but no....
> So my question is: mega-tighten it down some more? or is there a plumber's
> tape (and particular type is fuel resistant?) I should be using on these
> threads? There is very little to seal this connection.




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:44:56 -0400
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: New master clutch problem

Sounds like there is still air in the line. Bleed it again.
Jim 
6147


"bluemax86" <massimot_at_dml_rushmore.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>This is my first post to the list. I have recently replaced my master
>clutch cylinder. Since then the pedal feels rather light until the
>very end and there is maybe 1/2" travel between the clutch being
>fully depressed and when it starts to engage. 



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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:46:31 -0000
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: New master clutch problem

Bill and List - I have always been unhappy with the way the DeLorean 
clutch slave cylinder bleeding is accomplished - The fluid falls onto 
the seam between the engine block and the transmission housing that 
creates the possibility of getting fluid onto the clutch itself.  
Also, as mentioned in some of these posts, the procedure is a pain, to 
say the least.  I modified Winged1 to incorporate a gravity-style 
self-bleeder that works very well.  I have also done the same mod to 
two other cars in PNDC, and the owners have had no complaints.  
Basically, the bleed screw in the slave cylinder is removed, the hole 
is opened up and threaded with a pipe thread.  A steel line is 
attached to a new fitting that is screwed into the modified hole. The 
line is formed down around the bell housing, and terminates at a bleed 
screw in a small adapter fitting, down near the right hand CV joint.  
All parts are off-the-shelf from NAPA.  The new procedure for bleeding 
the clutch is to open the new bleed screw that is easily reached from 
below, and let the fluid flow into a container until all air is 
removed (monitoring the reservoir level of course).  When finished, 
close bleed screw, cap with a rubber cap, top off fluid, and you're 
done.  If there is any interest in part numbers and additional 
details, I would be happy to supply them.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> 
wrote:

> On most cars this is easiest procedure in the world because all you 
> do is open bleed screw and let gravity perform the rest (keep the
> reservoir full!). Unfortunately DeLo clutch system is horizontal 
> (like brake lines), not vertical.





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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:48:17 -0400
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: Re: New master clutch problem

Stainless braided is great, but solid steel line is just as good an no where near as expensive . 
Jim 6147

"David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net> wrote:

>Sounds like you need to bleed more air out of the slave cylinder. You
>should also replace the plastic line between the master and slave
>cylinder with the braided steel one if it has not already been
>changed. You should try to use Castrol GTLMA DOT 4 brake fluid. It is
>the most compatible with the type of rubber used in the seals. 
>David Teitelbaum
>vin 10757
>
>
>
>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "bluemax86" <massimot_at_dml_r...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This is my first post to the list. I have recently replaced my master
>> clutch cylinder. Since then the pedal feels rather light until the
>> very end and there is maybe 1/2" travel between the clutch being
>> fully depressed and when it starts to engage. 



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:16:22 -0400
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: fuel gage pegged straight up

If it's a new sender you can probably trust it. Check the guage itself by placing the appropraite resutance values for full and empty across the sender wires. John Hervey can tell you what the correct resistance values are. I forgot and seem to have misplaced the scrap of paper I wrote them on. His answer is also in the archives. John you out there?
Jim 
6147

"painintheass7565" <advantics_at_dml_aol.com> wrote:

>My fuel gage is pegged full all the time. I changed the fuel sender 
>but got the same results. The new sending unit is metal doesn't 
>appear to have an opening to let fuel in the way the old plastic one 
>did. Does anyone know how it works?
>
>John Salva
>Vin 1383 & 5326



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:33:30 -0400
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: fuel gage pegged straight up

To check your guage, values should be as follows. When empty the sender gives 0 Ohms, and when full it gives 100 Ohms with 90 Ohms being equivalent to the 4/4 mark on the fuel gauge. Connect your sender wires together and turn on the ign. The guage should show empty.
Jim 
6147

"painintheass7565" <advantics_at_dml_aol.com> wrote:

>My fuel gage is pegged full all the time. I changed the fuel sender 
>but got the same results. The new sending unit is metal doesn't 
>appear to have an opening to let fuel in the way the old plastic one 
>did. Does anyone know how it works?
>
>John Salva
>Vin 1383 & 5326



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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:31:56 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Delorean Mid Atlantic Club Summer Fun Run Final Update!

I won't bug any of you anymore after this...I promise.  ;)

WOW!  We now have about 13-15 cars coming!  This is going to be a great
event!

If you have not done so yet, RSVP to me. (only if you intend to come
please)

If you are still pondering, or if you have already RSVPed, the driving
directions, as well as info on the resteraunt can now be found on the
club site:
http://www.deloreanmidatlantic.com/events/events.htm#funrun

Hurry...time is short!




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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:37:18 -0400
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: Re: New master clutch problem

Very nice solution Toby,
Jim 6147

"Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com> wrote:

>Bill and List - I have always been unhappy with the way the DeLorean 
>clutch slave cylinder bleeding is accomplished - The fluid falls onto 
>the seam between the engine block and the transmission housing that 
>creates the possibility of getting fluid onto the clutch itself.  
>Also, as mentioned in some of these posts, the procedure is a pain, to 
>say the least.  I modified Winged1 to incorporate a gravity-style 
>self-bleeder that works very well.  I have also done the same mod to 
>two other cars in PNDC, and the owners have had no complaints.  
>Basically, the bleed screw in the slave cylinder is removed, the hole 
>is opened up and threaded with a pipe thread.  A steel line is 
>attached to a new fitting that is screwed into the modified hole. 



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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:02:56 -0500
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: fuel filter and seal?

it is the real-deal.
Teflon tape on the inlet pieces fixed it up.
Thanks, all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Sontos [mailto:dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:33 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] fuel filter and seal?


Is this a DeLorean fuel filter or one from a cross reference sheet?? I don't
remember which one but one of the cross reference fuel filters leaks at the
top fitting and no amount of tightening will fix it.

Dave Sontos
vin 02573
----- Original Message -----
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
To: "Dmc /dml" <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:06 PM
Subject: [DML] fuel filter and seal?


but I went ahead and started on the fuel
> filter.
> It's back in, but I will have to pull it out again because the inlet angle
> adapter leaks. I thought I tightened it in enough, but no....
> So my question is: mega-tighten it down some more? or is there a plumber's
> tape (and particular type is fuel resistant?) I should be using on these
> threads? There is very little to seal this connection.



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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 02:33:58 -0000
From: "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>
Subject: Looking for a car inspector in Wisconsin

Hello,

Finally, after finishing high school, 3 years of college (so far) 
and finding a good engineering co-op, I'm in a position to purchase 
my dream car.  However, I live in Pennsylvania, and the car I'm 
looking to buy is in Wisconsin; particularly, Holmen, Wisconsin.  
So, here I am looking for someone who would be willing to inspect 
and drive a car (with a manual transmission).  Please e-mail me 
privately at supermatty(at)psu.edu if you would be willing to do 
this.  I would certainly be willing to compensate you for your 
trouble (or delight, depending how you see it).  You will help me 
live my dream :)

thanks,

Matt Spittle






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