From: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1584
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 8:18 AM

To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com

For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com

To search the archives or view files, log in at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dmcnews

There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: New master clutch problem
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

2. Re: New master clutch problem
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

3. Rebuilt Volvo B28 heads on eBay
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

4. Wow! Is that a Bricklin?
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>

5. DeLorean Event: Northern Ohio
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>

6. CRUISE IN UPDATE SEPTEMBER 20-21,2003
From: "delor_01" <JOHN.JORDAN_at_dml_ED.GOV>

7. Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

8. Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

9. Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

10. Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

12. RE: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>

13. I got pulled over this morning...
From: Tony Pistachio <TheStash_at_dml_optonline.net>

14. Re: Re: New master clutch problem
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_cox.net>

15. Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

16. 10680 Torsion Bar Hell...
From: "Gary Weaver II" <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>

17. Re: FREE Classified Ads
From: chach4_at_dml_aol.com





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:45:00 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: New master clutch problem

I agree that a metal line is also usable but if you decide to go that
route then at least use a short piece of hose onto the slave cylinder
to allow for any movement of the motor. If you don't then the flexing
of the solid metal line will eventually cause it to crack.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jwit6_at_dml_c... wrote:
> Stainless braided is great, but solid steel line is just as good an
no where near as expensive . 
> Jim 6147
> 





________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 2
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:53:14 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: New master clutch problem

I think this is a worthwhile mod too. My only improvement would be to
go UP with it. I like to bleed with pressure and your way could trap
an air bubble at the point where you bend the "U" in the pipe to point
it downward. By going up any air would naturally move upward and out.
A bleeder screw could be modified so you wouldn't have to change the
slave cylinder or maybe just a short piece of hose with the correct ends.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> Bill and List - I have always been unhappy with the way the DeLorean 
> clutch slave cylinder bleeding is accomplished - The fluid falls onto 
> the seam between the engine block and the transmission housing that 
> creates the possibility of getting fluid onto the clutch itself.  
> Also, as mentioned in some of these posts, the procedure is a pain, to 
> say the least.  I modified Winged1 to incorporate a gravity-style 





________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 3
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 05:08:37 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Rebuilt Volvo B28 heads on eBay

Searching completed eBay auctions found pair of rebuilt B28 heads no
one bid on:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6763&item=2421066388

Pics look like B27 (other auction that ran concurrently).

Seller would probably sell direct for $95. eBay now removes "ask
seller a question" feature from completed auctions -- think they're
wise to us? -- but ID appears to be eMail address.

Bill Robertson
#5939







________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 4
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 07:21:47 -0000
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>
Subject: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?

Hello List,

Yep, that's the first question I get most of the time from people when
I'm out with my DMC. (The second question is usually "How much is it
worth?") It's either "Is that a Bricklin?" or "Was it built in Nova
Scotia?".  Now, I have nothing against Bricklins and would even like
to have one someday, (Ford 351 ci V-8 in a gull-wing car - Awesome!),
but I find it really strange that I get asked that question so many
times.  After all, The Delorean was the star (after Michael J. Fox) in
one of the most well-known movies of all time.  How many people do you
know who have NOT seen Back To The Future?  Young or old, most people
have seen the movie.  Not only that, with all the media frenzy during
the demise of DMC and John Z's so-called "drug-scandal" back then, how
can anyone not know what a Delorean is?  In all three of the BTTF
movies, the time-machine is referred to as a Delorean several times,
not a Bricklin.  To be honest, it really doesn't bother me and I'm
more than happy to answer people's questions about my car, let them
check it out, sit in it, etc., but I'm just curious as to why I get
asked that so often.  Do any of you have the same thing happen, or am
I the only one?

P.S.  I'd love to borrow someone's Bricklin for a day, just to see if
people say "Wow! Is that a Delorean?".  lol! 

Richard Rowe
vin 5853




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:34:52 -0400
From: Mike Substelny <msubstel_at_dml_lorainccc.edu>
Subject: DeLorean Event: Northern Ohio

A Day of Cars and Culture

This Saturday, July 19, the DeLorean Club of Ohio invites you to spend a
day exploring Cleveland's University Circle.

The DCO will meet at the Crawford Auto-Aviation Museum between 10:00 AM
and 11:00 AM.  We'll tour the car museum, as well as the Western Reserve
Historical Society Museum, which features a tour of the Hay Mansion.
Then we will visit the brand new Botanical Gardens, see a planetarium
show at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History, and/or tour the
Cleveland Museum of Art.

For any DeLorean enthusiast, the Crawford's current display is
FANTASTIC!  The VIN 500 DeLorean is exhibited beside the stainless 1936
Ford, the Stainless Thunderbird, and the Stainless Lincoln Continental.
The VIN 500 DeLorean's door is open now, showing some surprises.  See if
you can pick out the features that make it a more unique DeLorean than
anyone had imagined.  A few cars away from it you'll see a gullwing
Mercedes.  All four stainless cars have never been displayed together
like this before, and the Crawford is the only place you can see it.

Be sure to eat a hearty breakfast and bring some snacks along, because
we won't stop until dinner.  We'll wind up the day with a barbecue at
Patti and Mike Substelny's place around 5:30.

To RSVP for this event, please email Mike:  msubstel[a t]lorainccc.edu.

Directions are provided at the Crawford Auto-Aviation Museum's website:

http://www.wrhs.org/sites/auto.htm

- Mike Substelny




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 6
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:15:59 -0000
From: "delor_01" <JOHN.JORDAN_at_dml_ED.GOV>
Subject: CRUISE IN UPDATE SEPTEMBER 20-21,2003


SOUTHEASTERN DELOREAN OWNERS CLUB
"CRUISE-IN" 2003
GAINESVILLE GEORGIA

"What's New and Updates"

Technical Presentations:

Steve Wynne, DMC Houston

Bob Zilla Electronics

John Hervey, Special T Auto

Byrne Heninger Products

Ken Koncelik, DeLorean Car Show

Parts & Product Fair & Expo:

Custom DeLorean Parts
Standard Parts

Accessories
DeLorean Memorabilia
DMC Houston Performance Engine
Zilla DeLorean Electronic Products 

MORE information to follow

JOHN JORDAN
"SEDOC"
404 562 6075





________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 7
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:12:19 -0400
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?

> but I find it really strange that I get asked that question so many
> times. 

Don't worry about it... the majority of the people in this country are totally clueless.   At a local car show, I had one woman come up to the car, and actually TOUCH the hood, and say "geeze - they really scratched up the PAINT!". 

-Hank  #1619






________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 8
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:06:41 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> Yep, that's the first question I get most of the time from people 
when
> I'm out with my DMC. (The second question is usually "How much is it
> worth?") It's either "Is that a Bricklin?" or "Was it built in Nova
> Scotia?".
<SNIP>
> To be honest, it really doesn't bother me and I'm
> more than happy to answer people's questions about my car, let them
> check it out, sit in it, etc., but I'm just curious as to why I get
> asked that so often.  Do any of you have the same thing happen, or 
am
> I the only one?
<SNIP>

Don't bother trying to figure people out, 'cause you'll go just as 
crazy as they are. I've only had my car mistaken for a Bricklin once. 
And once I corrected the guy as to what my car was, he actually got 
quite embarassed from his mistake. Otherwise, I've never had that 
happen. However, if you want a bit of insight into this, you might 
want to take a look around at where you live. I would imagine that in 
the Northern part of the US, the Bricklin may have a higher 
following, due to the closer proximity of Canada (?). I know that for 
a while there, I kept getting people Utah comming up to me, and 
stating that they thought the car was built up in Logan. So perhaps 
your location has somehow played a roll...

A bigger mystery to me is why some people see my car, and confuse it 
with Buddha's belly. "Oh, gee look! It's made out of stainless steel! 
Let me just rub the hell out of it with my greasy hands!" >:( Or 
worse, when they rap their knuckles on it. I know a car with 
stainless steel is quite a novelty (after all, I have one!), but some 
people just become like little kids around it. I swear, if I ever get 
old, I'm gonna get one of those Biff Tannen canes from BTTF 2, just 
to whack people on the head with the next time they mistake my car 
for a door!

Fortunetly though, people like that are in the minority. Most are 
actually quite respectful, and will even ask permission before 
peering inside. So I am quite thankful for that. But why people say 
the things they say, or do the things they do (wait, isn't that a 
song? :p), who knows. It certainly is interesting though to hear the 
broad spectrum of comments though that people get.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 9
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:54:27 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?

Richard,

Regarding the question

"How many people do you know who have not seen BTTF 1?"  In regard to 
the first movie the market penetration, including the TV showings is 
over 80%.

However, I had a meeting with Universal 4 years ago about making BTTF 4. 
  The main reason they were not funding a new movie was because only 
about 20% of the movie going population saw the whole series.  

This would make the 4th sequal unprofitable, because so few people would 
actually see another BTTF movie.

I was surprised but certainly could understand the economics.






________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 10
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:10:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?


I find this discussion fascinating since in 21 years
of DeLorean ownership (and with my car being on the
road for 10,000+ miles per year, only once have I been
asked if the car was a Bricklin!

Considering that this is a 20+ year old car that was
really only in production for approximately 19 months,
I contend that the car is known on sight by more
people than just about any other car except for the VW
Beetle, and this is due to BTTF.  When I travel I
notice that even 9 year olds who are way too young for
BTTF immediately respond, "WOW - a DeLorean".

Dick Ryan
VIN 16867



__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
http://sbc.yahoo.com



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 11
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:56:05 -0000
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?

I had Winged1 in a car show inside an upscale shopping mall in 
Bellevue, Washington, along with 10 other DeLoreans from PNDC.  A 
gentleman (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt) walked up, remarked 
"Wow, stainless steel, huh?", and proceeded to rap his knuckles on the 
left front fender.  His assumption was that it was built like a bank 
vault door.  He then asked "So, how much do these body panels cost, 
anyway?"  I said that the fender he was beating on was .012" thick, 
and cost nearly $4,000 new (okay, maybe a slight exaggeration!).  He 
very quickly put his hands in his pockets, muttered some lame apology, 
and shuffled off.  That seems to be the main assumption that people 
have about the stainless steel - that it's indestructible.  As far as 
the fingerprints go, I've given up trying to understand why people can 
walk by a refrigerator without giving it a second thought, but they 
MUST touch a car made from the same stuff.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_l...> 
wrote:

> A bigger mystery to me is why some people see my car, and confuse it 
> with Buddha's belly. "Oh, gee look! It's made out of stainless 
> steel! Let me just rub the hell out of it with my greasy hands!" 
> Or worse, when they rap their knuckles on it. I know a car with 
> stainless steel is quite a novelty (after all, I have one!), but 
> some people just become like little kids around it. I




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 12
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:48:52 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf_at_dml_charter.net>
Subject: RE: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?

Well, from MY point of view......I have owned my D going on seven years.  In
that space of time I have NEVER once had anyone so much as MENTION a
Bricklin...a few times during discussions they obviously had never even
heard of a Bricklin.  So you must live in a different time frame than me!!
Murray
Vin: 05962
Lic:  DMC-XII





________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 13
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:14:07 -0400
From: Tony Pistachio <TheStash_at_dml_optonline.net>
Subject: I got pulled over this morning...

First of all I very rarely speed and I in no way endorse it but my DeLorean isn't my daily driver so I guess I got a little caught-up in the extremely high fun-coefficient of the car. It was very early just before rush hour so the traffic was light. Nice and cool out so no AC, just open windows. Not really sure how fast I was going. Somewhere between 85 and the top speed of the car. I saw him in the rear view way back there so I slowed down without pressing the brakes. Instantly he was on my bumper then the lights went on so I pulled over.

He walked up to the car and barked "YOU KNOW I DON"T HAVE TO ASK YOU WHY I PULLED YOU OVER DO YOU"!!??. I don't even know how I answered that. Something like "Yes officer I'm so stupid. I normally don't drive like that. I have no excuse. I'm not even in a hurry. Stupid stupid stupid". "DO YOU EVER LOOK IN YOUR REAR VIEW MIRROR"!!!?? I think he had trouble catching up to me. "GIVE ME YOUR LICENSE, REGISTRATION AND PROOF OF INSURANCE!" he barked again. I handed all three to him through the window. He was pissed. "YOU KNOW I CLOCKED YOU WELL OVER 85 THAT MEANS I CAN TAKE YOUR CAR AWAY RIGHT NOW AND YOU CAN LOOSE YOUR LICENSE". Again I don't know how I responded to that. All I can think of was - yikes not my car. Then he said "DO I HAVE TO TALK TO YOU THROUGH THIS LITTLE HOLE"? I said "No sir I can open this". I meant the door but I think he thought I meant the rest of the glass window. So he said "WELL THEN OPEN IT". I pulled the door handle and up popped the door. The door lifters were all replaced by Rob Grady so they open smoothly and completely with that phissst sound. He stepped back and said "WOW". His attitude completely changed! He then said - like an old friend "Nice car. When did you pick this up?" I said "Last February". "Must've been expensive". "No" I said, "It's a 1982 so I got it for about the price of a new Neon".  He actually laughed! He then asked the usual questions like where you going, where do you work. Bla bla bla.  He said I seemed like a good guy slow down and handed my paperwork back to me!

I truly think the car saved my butt! I'll never speed again. ;-)

Tony Pistachio
#10781 STSSTEEL
Wappingers Falls, NY



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 14
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:37:16 -0700
From: "The Atkinson Family" <mikeatk_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: New master clutch problem

David is right, Flexing will cause a crack in no time.  You should use flexable hose at both ends.  Also, any hold down clamps for the metal line should use rubber bushings or grommets to prevent chafing the metal at that point.  Good Luck.

Mike Atkinson
vin 16232   



  Subject: [DML] Re: New master clutch problem


  I agree that a metal line is also usable but if you decide to go that
  route then at least use a short piece of hose onto the slave cylinder
  to allow for any movement of the motor. If you don't then the flexing
  of the solid metal line will eventually cause it to crack.
  David Teitelbaum
  vin 10757


  --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, jwit6_at_dml_c... wrote:
  > Stainless braided is great, but solid steel line is just as good an
  no where near as expensive . 
  > Jim 6147


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 15
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:53:06 EDT
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Wow! Is that a Bricklin?

I find that pretty strange, myself.
I have never had anyone exclaim anything other than "Wow, a DeLorean!" or 
"Hey, the Back to the Future car!" It seems whenever I mention Bricklins or 
anything, they haven't really heard of it. Around here, when people know about it 
being a DeLorean, they sometimes know what a Bricklin is.

John
4275


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 16
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 02:59:28 -0000
From: "Gary Weaver II" <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: 10680 Torsion Bar Hell...

Just thought everyone would like to see what I get to try and 
replace. I was surpised at just HOW MUCH corrosion was in there.When 
I took everything apart, this hole was at the bottom of the bar as 
installed. I still have no idea what contacted with it to cause the 
hole in the first place...

http://members.cox.net/bk2dftr/DMC/tb01.jpg

http://members.cox.net/bk2dftr/DMC/tb02.jpg

http://members.cox.net/bk2dftr/DMC/tb03.jpg

http://members.cox.net/bk2dftr/DMC/tb04.jpg

http://members.cox.net/bk2dftr/DMC/tb05.jpg

Can't wait to get this fixed. I never realized just HOW heavy that 
door is. Of course, that's if I ever find one... :( 

-Gary Weaver
Tulsa, OK




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________


Message: 17
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:11:29 EDT
From: chach4_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: FREE Classified Ads

Classified AD:

Borla Free Flow Muffler (New)       $390
Original Muffler Heat Shield (New)  $30
Rear Sway Bar with Brackets (Used)  $80
Original radiator (Used)  $100
Front KYB Shocks (Used)  $ 100
Rear KYB Shocks (Used)    $100
Cooling Fans (New)   $180
Master Brake Cylinder (Used)  $100
Original Mixo dual Horns (New)  $30
Original Mixo dual Horns (Used)  $10
Front Coil Springs (Used)  $ 50

Plus Shipping

Call Rick at (630) 851-9002   E-mail: Chach4_at_dml_aol.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/