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Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:43 AM

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There are 17 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Back to Basics?
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

2. Re: Replacement MSD Coil
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

3. Re: No ignition
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

4. Re: Re: ATTN!! to the WISCONSIN man who purchased my DeLorean in KENTUCKY.
From: "Eric Pullen DMC" <delorean_at_dml_ericpullen.com>

5. Re: Back to Basics?
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

6. Re: Replacement MSD Coil
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

7. Re: Replacement MSD Coil
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>

8. Re: more issues with ignition
From: "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. Just Joined - Thought I'd Say Hi
From: "Ed" <lrdeclpse_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. Re: Replacement MSD Coil
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

11. Re: Re: Back to Basics?
From: Don Ekhoff <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>

12. Delorean Sighting in Troy New Hampshire
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>

13. DeLorean Car Show Magazine
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

14. "First" timing mark
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

15. Re: Another DeLorean but in sad shape
From: "Ed" <lrdeclpse_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. ETDOC event postponed
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com

17. RE: Re: Replacement MSD Coil
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:34:02 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Back to Basics?

An honest to goodness backfire (vs muffler explosion) can be an eye
opener. Nothing quite like fire shooting out top of your
carburetor/upper air assembly/whatever. Is caused by spark when intake
valve still open. Allows fuel mixture to ignite backwards to metering
device.

Go back to first pulley mark before eyebrows burn off.

Muffler explosions are altogether different. Are caused by unburned
fuel igniting in hot exhaust system.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> You've all seen my flailings regarding attempts to start my car.
> Here's an interesting twist:
> 
> After reading some more and making some more phone calls I went back
> to the distributor. Despite the fact that I aligned the rotor
> correctly, and #1 piston was at TDC, -and- the timing light strobed at
> 13 degrees BTDC when checked, I was slapped in the face with the
> realization that perhaps I set the dizzy on the wrong stroke.
> 
> So I double checked that I had indeed set the dizzy for #1 TDC. Rotor
> lined up, a screw driver showed that #1 was TDC and the pulley mark
> lined up with "0" on the scale (so I didn't set to #6 piston by
> mistake). I pulled the dizzy, cranked 360 degrees and dropped it
back in.
> 
> NOW the engine back-fires a lot where before there was nothing,
> although it didn't start. I only fiddled with it for a couple of





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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:47:04 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Replacement MSD Coil

Canister coils are pretty much interchangeable (assuming you want
whatever voltage they're putting out). I'm running a Pertronix. Louie
G is running a Jeg's private label. Stay away from the MSD with "power
tower" terminal (probably wouldn't fit under cover), but any of their
others should work.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Henry" <henry_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I've searched the archives.  I've found many posts that mention
that people have replaced the Bosch unit with an MSD unit,but nobody
ever mentioned a model or part number.  Rob Grady said that the MSD
8202 should be a direct replacement for the Bosch Coil, but I'd like
to confirm the MSD part number before I go get one.  
> 
> If you have a MSD model number, could you also email me directly, as
I'm impatient waiting for the next DML cycle. Thanks.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the coil is the problem.  When disconnected, I'm
getting a full 12 volts on the two wires that connect to terminal #15
(+) on the coil, but that drops to 4.6 volts as soon as I connect them
to the coil.  
> 
> -Hank




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:06:50 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: No ignition

The way to go about this is to get a test light or a meter and check
for voltage at key points. I would start at the starter and see if it
gets voltage when you turn the key. Also a good place to start is the
battery. A bad connection or a bad battery can cause these symptoms.
Take the battery out and have it tested and charged so you know at
least that is good. If the battery is over 5 years old it is suspect
as are all of the "big" connections.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "vin4258" <vin4258_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Ever since the car overheated on June 15, I noticed a grinding noise 
> when starting it.  Not all the time, but was there.  The car started 
> right after the short noise and ran fine.  I have only started the 
> car maybe 10 times since then and now it won't start at all.  I would 





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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:17:41 -0400
From: "Eric Pullen DMC" <delorean_at_dml_ericpullen.com>
Subject: Re: Re: ATTN!! to the WISCONSIN man who purchased my DeLorean in KENTUCKY.

Just to add my $.02, I live in KY and I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee I sold to
a man that lived in Indiana.  About 3 months later, I recieved a notice
saying I was overdue on the taxes/registration.  I went down to the County
Clerk's office, explained the situation and showed them my documentation
(bill of sale, copy of title with his signature, and all of his
information).  They then told me to that this happens all of the time
because Indiana doesn't send the data to them that quickly.  It only took
them about 5 mins. and they had the whole thing straightend out.

I can only assume from this that WI may also be slow moving.  Have you gone
to the County Clerk's office and talked with them?

Eric


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jennifer Tipton" <Jtipton_at_dml_iglou.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [DML] Re: ATTN!! to the WISCONSIN man who purchased my DeLorean
in KENTUCKY.


> There are also "Collection" companies that I can sell the title to..they
buy
> the title at a fraction of the worth of the car say...$5.000 and then go
and
> retrieve "their" car.
>
> I dont plan on doing this, but Im letting you know it IS indeed an option
> and is regularly done.
>



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:22:16 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Back to Basics?

Well...the back-fire isnt' -that- strong on mine :)

But you're saying to set the crank to the first mark and -not- "0" 
and drop in the dizzy. I'll do that today.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_c...> 
wrote:
> An honest to goodness backfire (vs muffler explosion) can be an eye
> opener. Nothing quite like fire shooting out top of your
> carburetor/upper air assembly/whatever. Is caused by spark when 
intake
> valve still open. Allows fuel mixture to ignite backwards to 
metering
> device.
> 
> Go back to first pulley mark before eyebrows burn off.
> 
> Muffler explosions are altogether different. Are caused by unburned
> fuel igniting in hot exhaust system.
> 
> Bill Robertson
> #5939
> 
> >--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> > You've all seen my flailings regarding attempts to start my car.
> > Here's an interesting twist:
> > 
> > After reading some more and making some more phone calls I went 
back
> > to the distributor. Despite the fact that I aligned the rotor
> > correctly, and #1 piston was at TDC, -and- the timing light 
strobed at
> > 13 degrees BTDC when checked, I was slapped in the face with the
> > realization that perhaps I set the dizzy on the wrong stroke.
> > 
> > So I double checked that I had indeed set the dizzy for #1 TDC. 
Rotor
> > lined up, a screw driver showed that #1 was TDC and the pulley 
mark
> > lined up with "0" on the scale (so I didn't set to #6 piston by
> > mistake). I pulled the dizzy, cranked 360 degrees and dropped it
> back in.
> > 
> > NOW the engine back-fires a lot where before there was nothing,
> > although it didn't start. I only fiddled with it for a couple of




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:18:23 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Replacement MSD Coil

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Henry" <henry_at_dml_i...> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I've searched the archives.  I've found many posts that 
mention that people have replaced the Bosch unit with an MSD unit,but 
nobody ever mentioned a model or part number.  Rob Grady said that 
the MSD 8202 should be a direct replacement for the Bosch Coil, but 
I'd like to confirm the MSD part number before I go get one.
<SNIP>
> -Hank

MSD "Blaster 2" Coil is the one that you want. Ask for that, and 
you'll be fine. The only variations of it are a plastic housing, or a 
chromed one for appearance. It's a total 'drop-in' replacement, and 
even comes with a brand new ballast resistor. And yes, you'll need to 
install the resistor, but it's not that big of a chore. Cost me $50 _at_dml_ 
my local speed shop.

MSD is pretty much the best choice. I noticed no improvement after 
swapping out my old coil for a 20+ year old NOS one, and a brand-new 
BOSCH coil for the application was around $80, and was still only 
kicking out 18K volts max. And what ever you do, stay away from those 
damned Acell coils! I put one in my car, and it ran horrible. On top 
of that, if the battery was drained at all, the motor wouldn't kick 
over. I've heard the same thing from others with differant makes and 
models of cars too. Even experimented in my garage. Cranked, and 
cranked the motor, nothing happened. Dropped in the old BOSCH coil, 
fired right up.

So pretty much, MSD is your best choice for a replacement coil when 
it comes to both performance, and your wallet.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:08:50 +0200
From: Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_home.nl>
Subject: Re: Replacement MSD Coil

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:02:33 -0400, Hank wrote:

> I'm pretty sure the coil is the problem.
> When disconnected, I'm getting a  full 12 volts on the
> two wires that connect to terminal #15 (+) on the coil,
> but that drops to 4.6 volts as soon as I connect them
> to the coil.  

Ehm... Basic physics says that on an OPEN circuit, the
voltage across the gap ALLWAYS is as high as the feed
for the circuit...

Only once you connect ANYTHING in the gap an actual
voltage can be measured on the component...

If you're getting 4.6V over the coil, you're loosing 7.4V
somewhere... What voltage do you get across the resistors?

JAN van de Wouw

Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...
Shifting Expectations...   Driving a Nissan...

DMC-12 "Dagger" since Sep. 2000
100NX "Saphire" since Nov. 2002
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 18:16:42 -0400
From: "Ed Garbade" <edgarbade_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: more issues with ignition

Similar thing happened to me.  Wrote to the group and got some advice from 
Rich.  Bottom line is I checked the connection on the ballast resistor and 
it started working fine.

Ed 10541


>From: "Henry"
>
>Well, my joy only lasted one day.  Friday, after replacing the 
>distributor/pick up coil, the car ran very well for a nice hour+ long 
>drive.  Saturday, I'm driving to a friends house, and nothing seemed out of 
>the ordinary until I accidentally stalled the engine on a slight hill.  I'm 
>not sure if I actually stalled it, or it lost power and stalled on it's 
>own.  After that it would not start AT ALL.

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:06:32 -0000
From: "Ed" <lrdeclpse_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Just Joined - Thought I'd Say Hi

Well,

As the subject says, just found the group and thought I'd say "Hi
everybody!" or maybe it should be "Everybody!  Everybody!" Anyway glad
to find the group. I've loved DeLoreans for as long as I can remember,
and still hope one day to own one. Now I have a whole bunch of people
that love them with me to talk to.

God that sounds wrong.

Eclipse




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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:27:40 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Replacement MSD Coil

I realize this discussion wasn't about -my- car but my voltage across
the coil (+ to -) terminals was only 6.73 volts. All of the
resistances were in spec by the manual -except- the coil, (+) terminal
to H.T. socket, it's supposed to be 7000 ohms and mine is 9500-ish.

It's an original coil. This tells me my spark won't be as good due to
the extra resistance. True Jan? Or am I hosed up?

I'm a telecom and computer nerd. I had B&EE in the navy but I'm no
engineer.

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jan van de Wouw <jvdwouw_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:02:33 -0400, Hank wrote:
> 
> > I'm pretty sure the coil is the problem.
> > When disconnected, I'm getting a  full 12 volts on the
> > two wires that connect to terminal #15 (+) on the coil,
> > but that drops to 4.6 volts as soon as I connect them
> > to the coil.  
> 
> Ehm... Basic physics says that on an OPEN circuit, the
> voltage across the gap ALLWAYS is as high as the feed
> for the circuit...
> 
> Only once you connect ANYTHING in the gap an actual
> voltage can be measured on the component...
> 
> If you're getting 4.6V over the coil, you're loosing 7.4V
> somewhere... What voltage do you get across the resistors?
> 
> JAN van de Wouw
> 
> Thinking Different...   Using a Mac...
> Living the Dream...   Driving a DeLorean...
> Shifting Expectations...   Driving a Nissan...
> 
> DMC-12 "Dagger" since Sep. 2000
> 100NX "Saphire" since Nov. 2002
> -------------------------------




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:35:17 -0700
From: Don Ekhoff <ekhoff_at_dml_seagullsolutions.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Back to Basics?


I have seen several examples of minor damage from an engine backfire 
that might be worth checking.  There is a slender steel bar covering the 
air metering flap door under the air cleaner assembly.  This bar has a 
rubber bumper and is intended to restrict upward movement of the round 
disk underneath.  If a backfire has occured the internal pressure will 
"blast" the disk outward and bend the bar.  This then allows the disk to 
become sticky as it can wedge into the housing.  I have found that a 
gentle hammer blow to the bar will bring it back staight again.  Just 
somethng to look for.

Don Ekhoff
Vin 6543



content22207 wrote:

>An honest to goodness backfire (vs muffler explosion) can be an eye
>opener. Nothing quite like fire shooting out top of your
>carburetor/upper air assembly/whatever. Is caused by spark when intake
>valve still open. Allows fuel mixture to ignite backwards to metering
>device.
>
>Go back to first pulley mark before eyebrows burn off.
>
>Muffler explosions are altogether different. Are caused by unburned
>fuel igniting in hot exhaust system.
>
>Bill Robertson
>#5939



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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:55:04 -0400
From: "Palatinus, Joe" <jopalatinus_at_dml_davidson.edu>
Subject: Delorean Sighting in Troy New Hampshire

I am on vacation in Marlborough NH, (near Keene) and I just spotted a delorean in a garage on NH highway 12 in Troy in Cheshire county NH, if this belongs to anyone on the list, and you want to chat with a fellow Delorean owner, I will be in the area for the week.  Also, if you need any mechanical help, I can help too.
Joe P.
VIN 17167 6808 


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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:30:50 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Car Show Magazine

Thanks for your support for the magazine.  

With all the car shows going on this summer and all the get togethes across 
the globe we would like to remind you to submit your photos and articles on the 
events to us so we can get them in the magazine.

We just made another run of magazines so if you haven't ordered we have 
plenty in stock.

I talked to Kathryn DeLorean and she and her family are planning to attend.
(She said she needed a break) 

See you in Pigeon Forge.

I also have been asked is there anything for kids to do in Pigeon Forge.

The answer to that is I hope they have enought time to do even 5% of whats 
there.

Thanks for your support.

We will be online for ordering soon with credit card and the registration for 
Pigoen Forge will also be online starting in December.

deloreancarshow.com

Ken



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 00:54:54 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: "First" timing mark

By "first" I meant "timing mark you used before." Sorry.

English as a second language?

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Well...the back-fire isnt' -that- strong on mine :)
> 
> But you're saying to set the crank to the first mark and -not- "0" 
> and drop in the dizzy. I'll do that today.
> 
>



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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:10:55 -0000
From: "Ed" <lrdeclpse_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Another DeLorean but in sad shape

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, kKoncelik_at_dml_a... wrote:
> Well I took ownership of vin 5609 but unfortunately I think its a
> bit beyond normal salvage.  

How's it looking so far??  I'm out in Indiana land and there is a guy
I've found kind of close to me in Illnois (Hey, it's not California,
so he's close) and he has a DeLorean with a Stainless frame, chassis,
etc. Had it special built. (A lot of you probably know who I'm talking
about.) Anyway .... if I can find his address again maybe you'd like
it? He could get you in touch with the company that built the chassis
for him. (Hey, they've built one, why not more right?)

But .... if that's not the go for you .... how much did you give for
it?  Always wanted a project car *laughs*

Eclipse




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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:07:49 EDT
From: deloreanss_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: ETDOC event postponed

Hey everyone, 

       Well, due to the amount of events that are taking place towards the 
first of fall and the lack of commitments, we've decided to postpone the ETDOC 
Gatlinburg meet until spring. If you have made any reservations just contact me 
and I'll take care of it for you. See everybody at the SEDOC cruis-in or 
Eurofest.

John Weaver
ETDOC 
RED DMC #10527
DeLoreanSS_at_dml_aol.com


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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:57:02 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Replacement MSD Coil

9500-ish is the correct resistance as checked against a new one. The 25KVA
Bosch coil is 14,500 resistance.
John hervey


-----Original Message-----
From: cruznmd [mailto:racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:28 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Replacement MSD Coil


I realize this discussion wasn't about -my- car but my voltage across
the coil (+ to -) terminals was only 6.73 volts. All of the
resistances were in spec by the manual -except- the coil, (+) terminal
to H.T. socket, it's supposed to be 7000 ohms and mine is 9500-ish.







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