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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1616
Date: Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:53 AM

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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Dmc parting out/another view point (DeLorean Car Show)
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: Delorean parting out parts available - I'm discusted at this point
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Re: Delorean parting out parts available
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>

4. Alternate side-stripes on Ebay DMC
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>

5. Re: Delorean parting out parts available
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

6. Running Rough
From: "schab932000" <schab932000_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. The new HOWTO #4 complete Replacing the Oil pressure sending unit
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Re: Parts Available
From: "Scott Cagle" <dmc83n99_at_dml_cox.net>

9. RE: Dmc parting out/another view point (DeLorean Car Show)
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

10. Re: Alternate side-stripes on Ebay DMC
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

11. Re: Running Rough
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. No Go
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

13. Final response
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

14. My theory
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>

15. Re: Alternate side-stripes on Ebay DMC
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

16. tyres for a delorean
From: "Mike Cutting" <mcutting_at_dml_nt.net>

17. Should something else be included in the Major service kit
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

18. Re: Alternate side-stripes on Ebay DMC
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

19. Details, Details.
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

20. Re: Delorean parting out parts available
From: jaimie Mackenzie <jmacberg_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:43:31 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Dmc parting out/another view point (DeLorean Car Show)

I agree with Ron on customizing these cars and hoped to do the same with this 
one when I had my Save the DeLorean thoughts after I got it home. I even 
started on the seats but I wish this car was in as good of condition as his was or 
even near it.  It would have become my custom car as I am still looking for 
and have asked all the vendors to look for me for a car with a trashed 
interior.

I usually do not get involved with these types of posts but decided to 
anyway.  I have enjoyed the Parting out discussion and have actually gotten to know 
one of the persons who (Trashed me) LOL pretty well and he now understands 
what I had and is a cool person.  

Thanks all for allowing me to get a bit involved in this forum a bit 
different than you are used to seeing me

The reason for me buying all of these cars is to generate cash to find a car 
to use as a raffle car for the next DeLorean Car Show.  None of the ones I 
bought worked out as they all required more work than the raffle would generate.  
Remember (Cost + Repair = $15K to 20K in most cases)  The Show needs to 
generate revenue to pay for the convention halls.  I try to keep the costs down but 
this show is getting too large to do outdoors due to the weather factors.  I 
can do what I am doing and keep your costs down or spread the $15K or so for 
convention centers to each attendee.  I think the lower show costs are 
desireable especially for our younger participants. 

I hope you all partake in the raffle as all the profit (if any) will go to 
the show. At the very least there will be one new DeLorean owner.

I have found a car that I think will work thanks to one of  our vendors and 
they unselfishly let me purchase the car when they could have bought it.   I 
need to refurbish it.  Its not for sure this is the car yet but so far with my 
past experience this looks like a strong possibility I will know for sure next 
month when I get a chance to look at it closely.

The good side is there are Three DeLoreans out there running and in concours 
or near concours condition that were in fields and barns last year.

Thanks for the positive feedback most of you posted privately and I 
appreciated the support,

Ken
DeLoreancarshow.com
DeLorean Car Show Inc
DeLorean Car Show Magazine



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 03:37:23 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean parting out parts available - I'm discusted at this point

Todd,
If anyone in the DML/Delorean Community needs to be respected, its 
Ken.  The father of The Delorean Car Show!  Ken has done more for us 
that you even know.  I'm sure some of the hard to find parts that 
you are going to be buying for your car will be made by him.  Ken 
knows his stuff when it comes to Deloreans.  Have you ever sat down 
with the man and picked his brain, or should I say let him spill his 
brain onto you :)  He is a vital asset to everyone here.  If you 
need help, Ken is there.  
I've seen what he can do with a mistreated Delorean, it fantastic!  
To say he is out to make a fast buck is showing how uninformed you 
are about this man.  Ken lays down his own money, many thousands of 
personal dollars, to put on his Delorean car show.  Nobody ever said 
he had to do this for the community, but he does.  Ken is the reason 
I got to meet John Delorean.  Ken is the reason most of us here have 
met John Delorean.
I know the original post was about how you feel Ken is running a 
legal chop shop.  You have assumed some pretty nasty things about 
him.  I know this is a sensitive topic to you.  But before you jump 
to conclusions and post opinions about him publicly, I would 
recommend first emailing him, privately about the matter.  Better 
yet, get his number and call him if you have soemthing to say.  To 
say disrespectful things about a man you don't know on a public 
forum is very rude and inconsiderate.  
The reason I am posting this email in public is because the damage 
has been done.  You stated your misguided information on the man, 
now it's time for people how KNOW Ken to speak up in his defense.

I really hope you talk to Ken sometime and really discuss your 
thoughts on this.  Its too easy to shoot of an email and not be 
responsible for it.

Erik Geerdink
04512 




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 04:40:30 +0000
From: "robert parker" <roberthparker_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean parting out parts available

And, of course, there is the question the insurance adjuster HATES:    What 
is a car worth if it is NOT for sale?    (e.g., a POS that is reliable 
transportion & gets "totaled")       Just a thought....   Drive Stainless  
(what's THAT worth?)           Robert   VIN 6924     Sp Tag-  AgBULIT


From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Reply-To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Delorean parting out parts available
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 14:41:48 -0000


Problem is, organ donation only happens after a donor is dead!
Doctors don't look at patients and say, "Well gee, it's going to take
much more work than I'm willing to put in to save your husband's life
Mrs. Jones. But don't feel bad, 'cause we're going to part out his
vital organs, so that other people may live. So don't feel so bad
about the loss." And that is exactly what was said here, looking at
this quote from the original post:

Quote directly from Ken K, owner of the doomed car: "Well Vin 5690
has been with me for about 3 weeks and I have gone through the
emotions of rebuilding, refurbishing, or parting it out. After
looking at the options this could be a $5000 car that cost $15K to
fix and result in a $14K car that still has a way to go. So it is
going the e-bay route."

>From what has been described, this isn't a car that's had any
devistating damage to it from a wreck, or a fire. It doesn't appear
to even have a wasted chassis from rust damage. It is simply a car
that needs an intense passion to fuel it's restoration. Someone who
is more concerned with owning/keeping a DeLorean on the road, rather
than what the monetary value of the car will be once a restoration is
complete, as quoted above.

To Ken K: I'm not trying to attack you, but I do disagree with you on
both points: 1. The end value of the car can be much higher than what
you are anticipating. NADA right now puts fully restored/original
vehicles at a value of almost $28,000. Yes, it will require an
immense amount of work, but it can be done. 2. The car is worth
saving. Even I realize that you can't just store a car until that
perfect owner comes along wanting to restore it. And classic cars
needing this much work won't always sell as quickly as road
operational ones, especially automatics. But this could easily have
been avoided simply by not purchasing the car. Which is the absolute,
#1 cardinal rule when looking to buy a DeLorean. And if we learn
nothing else, always remember it: *ALWAYS* inspect a car that you
will potentially be buying IN PERSON FIRST BEFORE COMMITING TO
PURCHASE! Words to live, and drive by.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 07:56:14 -0000
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>
Subject: Alternate side-stripes on Ebay DMC

Hello List,

There's an automatic Delorean on Ebay right now, item number
2427273190.   Look at the side stripe decals on this car.  I've never
seen this style before and was wondering if it's a custom job, or if
it was really an original DMC dealer option.  I've only seen two
styles: the thin grey triple lines with the DMC logo on the rear
quarter panels that runs above the centre-line of the car, (what my
car has), and the the black wide "Ital" stripe that goes below the
centre-line.  If the "alternate" stripes on this particular car
are genuine, then would that make it rarer than other DMC's and
therefore slightly more valuable?

Richard Rowe
vin 5853




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 07:56:31 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean parting out parts available

Many, many points taken in your response. With a vehicle that has sunken 
down into damp earth, then yes, I can see the damage that can occur. 
Chassis, suspension, fluid lines, etc. I can wholeheartedly understand at t=
hat 
point why one would consider parting the car out. Now couple that with the =

extensive mechanical, and cosmetic damage, and yes, I can then understand 
why you choose to part the vehicle out. Even moreso in how you described 
how the vehicle was removed by violently jerking it out of the mud with a 
chain wrapped around the front end, rather than appropriately digging the c=
ar 
out of the ground. Yes, I can understand now. I don't fully agree, but I ca=
n 
understand.

However, in the initial posting that was notifying everyone that you were g=
oing 
to be parting the car out, the current condition of the car was omitted. So=
 
everyone here was probably picturing the same senario that I was: A car tha=
t 
was simply parked, and let to sit in someone's garage, or driveway. Nor 
especially the fact that since it was previously know that this car was 
earmarked to be a parts/donor car from the start. I myself was figuring tha=
t this 
was simply a car that was ready for a simply on-chassis restoration. And th=
at 
rather than take the time to restore it, you were going to chose to part it=
 out.


> You missed the point.  This car was purchased as a parts car with the hop=
e 
of 
> marrying it to another good one.  I had potential buyers for the parts be=
fore 
> I even looked at it knowing it was trashed. Once I got it home I began to=
 try 
> to find a way to get it back on the road because the little DeLorean 
> Leprechan inside was saying SAVE ME SAVE ME.  Even the folks from 
Europe wanted in on 
> it but after discussions and such it was determined it is not in the card=
s.  I 
> wanted a project car and was hopeful my initial evaluation was wrong.   I=
t 
> wasn't.  I have passed on many.

To be honest, I take more comfort in actually knowing that at least a good =

effort was put forth in trying to save the car, rather than simply saying t=
hat 
sacrificing one car is going to help save others. Maybe I've got this total=
ly 
incorrect misconception, but with the effort being put forth by so many, I =
just 
don't see what parts are so rare that they must be obtained from parts cars=
. 
Torsion Bars? Ok, I can kinda see that. But even then, DMCH has said that 
their reproduction is possible, and may one day be implemented if the need =

becomes so. I'm not going to attack anyone, but I am curious as to what 
specific parts are needed from this car, that the others need so that they'=
ll be 
kept on the road? And why don't any of our vendors have them?

 
> In another part of your comments you said you don't give up on a patients=
 
> 
> Ever hear of Hospice.

What else can I say, but "touché" You are correct that there is a point in =
which 
something is beyond saving. And that the best thing to do is to let that 
something depart with dignity. In this case, dismantling the vehicle for 
salvagable parts, rather than simply crushing it.

But then again, as so many have pointed out, this is only a car after all. =
You're 
right, and I agree. A person has a finite lifespan. This same rule doesn't =
apply 
to a vehicle. Thru replacement parts, a car does indeed have the ability to=
 
have a longer, normal service "life" than a person. And can of course be 
brought back much more easily from "the brink".

Now, like I said, I don't believe that a car needs to be parted out unless =
it has 
some sort of catastrophic, irreversable damage to it. Accident, fire, etc..=
. 
Agreeably, major electrical damage in the form of vermin, and other pests 
chewing on the wiring harness is no small undertaking. Nor is it a cheap on=
e 
comming in at around $1,800 or so just for the bulk of the harnesses, if yo=
u 
were to actually replace them completely. So I can see how both the work, 
and price just compounds itself, and makes a restoration more, and more 
grim. But like I say, I'm a diehard, eternal optimist that every car is abl=
e to 
come back, if matched with the right owner. If that means that the car has =
to 
wait, then it waits. Now by saying this, I don't mean that someone should 
become the saviour of all DeLoreans out there. I am in no way, shape, or fo=
rm 
suggesting that a person should purposfully purchase a car simply to "save"=
 it 
for the perfect person to come along. Quite the contrary. I feel that if th=
e car is 
in that bad of a shape, that the person who owns it at the time should sit =
on it 
until that right person comes along.

But also, bringing a car back doesn't mean concourse, nor does it even mean=
 
"original" for that matter! As has been mentioned before, and brought up by=
 
Ron, customization is the absolute way to go for a car like this. Electrica=
l 
bugs? A little bit of wire, and a whole lotta patience can go a LONG way. 
Chassis toasted? Perhaps a bit outside of the norm, but why not commission =

a lightweight, tubular chassis? Siezed motor? Why not now try looking into =
a 
nice alternative engine that has been proven by others whom have done the 
conversion? Wasted interior? Try something radicly different! All one needs=
 to 
do is pick up a current custom car magazine for inspiration. Weather it's a=
n off 
the wall Hot Rod, or a tricked out Sport Compact, the things that one can 
accomplish are unlimited, amazing, and sometime, less expensive, with bette=
r 
lookng results even depending upon one's own tastes! All that's needed is a=
 
strong will, fueled by an intense passion, and you've got an unstoppable 
formula. If you put you mind to it, you can accomplish anything! (now where=
 
have I heard that before? :p ) There are many options available for almost =

every car, and I stick firm by my belief that they should all be considered=
. 
Sometimes, it just takes the right person to show up at the perfect time.

In the end though, I do have to hand one thing over to people who do 
dismantle cars such as this one. And I'm not just speaking for DeLoreans 
either. You've got to give credit. While I don't totally agree with parting=
 the car 
out, at least Ken here has a well intentioned goal ahead of him that he's g=
oing 
to reach. Unlike the previous owner of the car, whom was obvously let the c=
ar 
slip into this condition. Undeserving, uncaring people like that always mak=
e 
me sick. No matter what kind of car it is. An accident is one thing. If it =
was on 
purpose, we wouldn't call them accidents after all. But the individual who =

actually destroyed this car thru neglect is the one whom I personally am ma=
d 
as hell at. Just as we have debated here about when a car is too far "gone"=
, 
we must all remember as well when to give up our good running cars for the =

sake of the car itself. If for some reason I was no longer able to drive an=
d 
enjoy my car, such as when I'm old, and can no longer drive, then yes, I wi=
ll 
pass my car on to the next owner whom the car is deserving of. The car is o=
f 
course more important than my own vanity.

And for everyone whom has suggested that if I believe so strongly in restor=
e 
this car, that I should purchase this, or every other basket case car that =
comes 
along to "prove" my point. My car was a classic example of a car that sat, =

became neglected, and the owner (who inherited it BTW) was the typical, 
"Yeah, I'll get around to fixing it one day" type, yet always refused to se=
ll it to 
everyone whom made an offer for it. And in the mean time, it just started t=
o rot 
worse, and worse. Until the timing was right: He gave up, and I happened to=
 
be the first to come along. So, I am sorry to disappoint you, but I can onl=
y 
handle one restoration/recovery at a time. But I do indeed practice what I =

preach.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 13:13:20 -0000
From: "schab932000" <schab932000_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Running Rough

Hey Guys,

I started up my car after only about a week of sitting the other 
night. It has 24,000 and was running great. 

The last thing I did before starting it up was making a 
modification to the door lock box (thanks Elvis). Now when I start 
it up, it's running rough. I am hearing a puff puff as I accellerate 
in all gears and lack of power.

What could cause such a drastic change? It is garaged, so I 
know water (rain) can't be the issue.

Any quick checks?

Thanks, PAT
vin5553




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 08:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: The new HOWTO #4 complete Replacing the Oil pressure sending unit

Hello all:

    I am once again happy to announce a new HOWTO
posted on my webpage.  Still declared a work in
progress for the next 30 days of corrections.

HOWTO Remove and replace oil pressure sending unit and
adapter.

This shows the worst case scenario of not only having
a broken sending unit, but having the wrong unit with
the wrong threads requiring an adapter swapout, along
with end results

I need some of the folks on the list to provide the
numbers in the annotated areas for torque if anyone
has them.  Also, take a gander at the bottom and see
if that looks right as well.

  As always Questions, Comments, and spelling
corrections are appreciated. 

thanx much,

Jordan 11613

Main page
http://retroserver.no-ip.com/index2.html

Delorean page
http://retroserver.no-ip.com/delorean/deloreanmain.html

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:07:48 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
From: "Scott Cagle" <dmc83n99_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Parts Available

*****  Moderator's Note  *****
We aren't plowing any new ground here.  Please consider this
thread closed.

Mike G - Moderator of the weekend 

*****  


 Ok, normally I don't get involved in these arguments, but seeing as it has
gotten out of control like it has, I feel the need to put my 5 cents worth
in.  

First, my car was in horrible shape when I bought it.  With the exception of
the frame and the main components of the engine,t there's not much on it
that hasn't been repaired or replaced.  yet mine was driveable, and it was
in solid form.  My final cost of repairs and replacement parts on it was in
the area of 10,000 dollars.  Now, if Ken feels this strongly that this car
can't be completely repaired without a massive cost on the end, then I for
one believe him, and think it best that a car be parted out to save some
others rather than continue to deteriorate where it can do no one any good.

Second, we are talking about Ken Koncelik.    How much has he already done
for the DMC marque?  I myself know I have numerous parts that he has helped
to or had manufactured himself on my car (door seals and pickup hose to
mention a couple) as well as the magazines, not to even mention the shows.

Third; anyone who feels this strongly about not parting out a car, there is
a simple solution to it.  Buy it from Ken.  That would end this whole
discussion once and for all.

I guess my point is this.  We are so quick to jump on the wagon to point out
the faults in destroying a classic car that we aren't thinking on the end
view.  Currently there is a car 2 miles from my house that has sat in a
backyard for about 5 years.  It suffered massive flood damage in Texas.  It
has been sunbaked in the Florida sun.  All the black plastic in the
electrical compartment is now brown.  Does this make me a bad De Lorean
owner because I don't want to buy it and send it to NY or Houston to put
25000 dollars into fixing it, but believe it should be parted out rather
than completely destroyed by the advancement of the elements on it?  If it
does, then someone call me, because I'll put you in touch with the owner
immediately.

Scott

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:34:12 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Dmc parting out/another view point (DeLorean Car Show)

Ken & Group, I have been watching all the post on parting out the cars. I
thought I would inject a comment. Do we really know how many cars have been
parted out since 83. I just found out about a man who is within 5 miles of
my house that said he was the first person to pull an engine out of the D
and one of the Delorean service people from California came to see it. He
also said that he had at one time at least 10 cars that were parted out and
some even went to the crusher. So, my point is to all. There becomes a point
in time of diminishing return of time VS labor to refurbish the cars.
Especially if you have to buy the parts at retail and figure labor. It
mounts up fast.
I hope the parts you sell will be used to keep other cars going and not just
end up in someone's storage.
John Hervey
www.specialTauto.com



-----Original Message-----
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com [mailto:kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 7:44 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Dmc parting out/another view point (DeLorean Car
Show)


I agree with Ron on customizing these cars and hoped to do the same with
this
one when I had my Save the DeLorean thoughts after I got it home. I even
started on the seats but I wish this car was in as good of condition as his
was or
even near it.  It would have become my custom car as I am still looking for
and have asked all the vendors to look for me for a car with a trashed
interior.

I usually do not get involved with these types of posts but decided to
anyway.  I have enjoyed the Parting out discussion and have actually gotten
to know
one of the persons who (Trashed me) LOL pretty well and he now understands
what I had and is a cool person.

Thanks all for allowing me to get a bit involved in this forum a bit
different than you are used to seeing me

The reason for me buying all of these cars is to generate cash to find a car
to use as a raffle car for the next DeLorean Car Show.  None of the ones I
bought worked out as they all required more work than the raffle would
generate.
Remember (Cost + Repair = $15K to 20K in most cases)  The Show needs to
generate revenue to pay for the convention halls.  I try to keep the costs
down but
this show is getting too large to do outdoors due to the weather factors.  I
can do what I am doing and keep your costs down or spread the $15K or so for
convention centers to each attendee.  I think the lower show costs are
desireable especially for our younger participants.

I hope you all partake in the raffle as all the profit (if any) will go to
the show. At the very least there will be one new DeLorean owner.

I have found a car that I think will work thanks to one of  our vendors and
they unselfishly let me purchase the car when they could have bought it.   I
need to refurbish it.  Its not for sure this is the car yet but so far with
my
past experience this looks like a strong possibility I will know for sure
next
month when I get a chance to look at it closely.

The good side is there are Three DeLoreans out there running and in concours
or near concours condition that were in fields and barns last year.

Thanks for the positive feedback most of you posted privately and I
appreciated the support,

Ken
DeLoreancarshow.com
DeLorean Car Show Inc
DeLorean Car Show Magazine



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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:38:13 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Alternate side-stripes on Ebay DMC

I'd say it's about as rare as the car's gasflap hood with the "delorean"
insignia on it.

Jim
1537


On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 07:56:14 -0000 "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>
writes:
> Hello List,
> 
> There's an automatic Delorean on Ebay right now, item number
> 2427273190.   Look at the side stripe decals on this car.  I've 
> never
> seen this style before and was wondering if it's a custom job, or if
> it was really an original DMC dealer option.  I've only seen two
> styles: the thin grey triple lines with the DMC logo on the rear
> quarter panels that runs above the centre-line of the car, (what my
> car has), and the the black wide "Ital" stripe that goes below the
> centre-line.  If the "alternate" stripes on this particular car
> are genuine, then would that make it rarer than other DMC's and
> therefore slightly more valuable?
> 
> Richard Rowe
> vin 5853


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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 10:07:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Running Rough

gosh,  i hope you didnt follow elvis's "wire the door
locks through the idle speed regulator" trick.

jordan 11613

--- schab932000 <schab932000_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> 
> I started up my car after only about a week of
> sitting the other 
> night. It has 24,000 and was running great. 
> 
> The last thing I did before starting it up was
> making a 
> modification to the door lock box (thanks Elvis).
> Now when I start 
> it up, it's running rough. I am hearing a puff puff
> as I accellerate 
> in all gears and lack of power.
> 
> What could cause such a drastic change? It is
> garaged, so I 
> know water (rain) can't be the issue.
> 
> Any quick checks?
> 
> Thanks, PAT
> vin5553
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:19:12 +0100
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: No Go

Help I have a starting issue again....

I put my D out on the drive at 8:30 this morning, and that is where it has been all day until now. 9 hours During that time it has been happily baking at 34 degrees!!! I just went out to put it away, and it won't start....

It seems to be the same symptoms I have a few weeks ago, where not even the solenoid if firing to turn the starter.

Obviously this is heat related, but where, what is failing in this temperature

Please help going nowhere fast.

Paul
#6463


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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:09:41 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Final response

My thanks to Robert to adding his opposing point of view to this discussion.  
While he did not agree with me we had a great discussion and I thoroughly 
enjoyed it. From the side comments I think many of you did as well. 

On the other hand I had one individual that prefered profanity and goating.  

This list and the DeLorean Community do not need that.

Its been great and I hope this thread is at its end.  

This is my final post on the subject.

Remember that the result of all of this should be to have a car ready to 
raffle at Pigeon Forge.  The goal is to restore a car so that it is driveable and 
could be used as a daily driver at the least not a car that is raffled with 
work still to be done to get it to work.  

Any volunteers I need all the help I can get LOL

thanks

Ken


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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:25:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: My theory

To moderators: post this message please.

As everyone knows I am very passionet about the D and
the theory behind it. I have specific thoughts on the
DeLorean. Everyone is entilted to there thoughts and
opions. I do not constitue that my thoughts are right
nor are they the correct theory, but that they are
just that mine. I am staying part of this list to
facilitae the restoration of my car and the building
of another one. I am going to be buying junk parts in
the next few years and building a D from the ground
up. Why am I doing that? I am working on a script at
the moment that will be useing a specific type of
DeLorean as the centerpart of the movie. And I will be
able to save another D in the process. I do everything
differently. That is who I am. Probally alot of people
think I'm narrow minded and a trouble maker. That is
okay I guess. I have expressed my thoughts in the
past. I always put my foot in my mouth it seems. I
hope Ken and everyone else on this list will
understand that I'm here to facile my dream and to
help save a few of these cars in the process. As I
said before. When there gone there gone. Parts will
eventully be exausted. original OEM parts that is.
Eventually there wont be many Ds left in the world.
That sounds stupid but it is true. No matter how we
try to preserve these cars they are going to fall
apart one day. Nothing last forever. We can't forcast
what will servive and what will end up crashed,
smashed, on fire, storm damaged, vandelized ect and so
forth. If I had the money Id buy every project D out
there and bring it back to life. I don't have the
money to do that. I wish I did but I dont. The theory
behind me building another D out of junk parts is to
build an icon to the DeLorean community. I want to
take nothing and make it something. I want to try to
preserve as many of these cars while we still have
them. Every year theres less and less. We buy time
with parts cars. We buy time with restoreing cars too.
But the end result is always going to be the same. I
will do my part to bring the D into more media,
through books and movies. I will try to keep the
vision accurate. I just want the cars to servive for
as long as we can keep them alive. We have so many OEM
parts it's insane. Why can't we restore the cars out
there and try to save them? Ken has done his part for
the comunity, I dont agree with the parting out of a D
but thats besides the point. Ken and I just happened
to bang heads on a subject I am very against. And I'm
sorry we had to meet under that subject. I just want
everyone to realize we have to keep these cars alive.
Ken knows it, I know it, alot of people know it. I
flew off the handel and I apoligize for makeing the
DML a fireing range. I just don't want to see these
cars dissapear.

Todd
Vin 5386

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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:26:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Alternate side-stripes on Ebay DMC

This car has been on ebay a couple of times in the past year. I'm certain it's a custom job... it's an imitation of the wide black stripe... but it's not an exact copy... it's more of a caricature. I have an old documentary which covers the DeLorean saga from 1977 to mid 1981, and there is a scene in the factory where they are looking at several different colors for the fascias, and if you look closely at the cars behind them, there are 2 or 3 cars with side stripes styles that never made it to production. I kind of doubt this car is one of those, because if you look closely at the "DMC" on the front fenders, it's kind of funky looking... clearly not original DeLorean stuff.

Louie Golden
VIN 10115 Sanford, NC

--- "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca> wrote:
>Hello List,
>
>There's an automatic Delorean on Ebay right now, item number
>2427273190.   Look at the side stripe decals on this car.  I've never
>seen this style before and was wondering if it's a custom job, or if
>it was really an original DMC dealer option.  I've only seen two
>styles: the thin grey triple lines with the DMC logo on the rear
>quarter panels that runs above the centre-line of the car, (what my
>car has), and the the black wide "Ital" stripe that goes below the
>centre-line.  If the "alternate" stripes on this particular car
>are genuine, then would that make it rarer than other DMC's and
>therefore slightly more valuable?
>
>Richard Rowe
>vin 5853

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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:41:56 -0400
From: "Mike Cutting" <mcutting_at_dml_nt.net>
Subject: tyres for a delorean

i bought bf goodrich radial ta's last year.  very economical and the
handling is great!

mike cutting
11434




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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:55:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Should something else be included in the Major service kit

Hello all:

   I could be wrong here, if so correct me,  the major
service kit from DMC Houston includes a fuel filter. 
Shouldnt it also include the copper washers to connect
the banjo lines?  Everyone strongly recommends not to
reuse copper washers.  Shouldnt the 40cents worth of
copper be included.  I believe the fuel filter needs
four.

thanx 

jordan


  	Part # 	Qty 	Description
  	100523 	1 	FILTER, FUEL
  	101069 	1 	LAMBDA SENSOR
  	102114 	1 	FILTER,OIL
  	102249 	1 	GASKET,ROCKER CVR LH
  	102256 	1 	GASKET, ROCKER CVR RH
  	102442 	1 	BELT,ALTERNATOR
  	102443 	6 	SPARKPLUG
  	102575 	1 	AIR FILTER ELEMENT
  	102604 	1 	ROTOR,DISTRIBUTOR
  	102606 	1 	CAP,DISTRIBUTOR
  	102702 	1 	WIRE SET IGNITION
  	103516 	1 	GASKET, FLUID PAN
  	103702 	1 	STRAINER,FLUID
  	103703 	1 	GASKET,FILTER
  	105505 	1 	DRIVE BELT,A/C
  	110700 	1 	COIL WIRE,COAX

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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:02:34 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Alternate side-stripes on Ebay DMC

I'm not sure if it's the same one I saw, or another one, but I've seen
those stripes on another Ebay auction vehicle.

They appear to be a "reverse" of the wide Ital strip you mentioned. 

I'd decided the first time I saw them that I like them. :) I don't
really think it'll make the car more valuable though.

I hope that one goes to a good home. It looks in great shape. I also
got to see what my new tires will look like when mounted. I'm glad I
went with the white lettering.

Rich Acuti
#5335

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> There's an automatic Delorean on Ebay right now, item number
> 2427273190.   Look at the side stripe decals on this car.  I've never
> seen this style before and was wondering if it's a custom job, or if
> it was really an original DMC dealer option.  I've only seen two
> styles: the thin grey triple lines with the DMC logo on the rear
> quarter panels that runs above the centre-line of the car, (what my
> car has), and the the black wide "Ital" stripe that goes below the
> centre-line.  If the "alternate" stripes on this particular car
> are genuine, then would that make it rarer than other DMC's and
> therefore slightly more valuable?
> 
> Richard Rowe
> vin 5853




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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:16:04 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Details, Details.

I spent the day with Mike "The Detail King" Cohee. If you want to make
your car look excellent, and like-factory condition, and on the cheap,
he's the guy to see.

On to other issues:

I have lug nuts on the front wheels that won't come free with a 265
ftlb air-impact wrench. This baffles me. One wheel I expected problems
with because I wasn't able to get it off -before- I bought the air
tools. The  other wheel I don't understand because I had removed and
installed it with the factory lug wrench. Talk about rust!

The lug nuts are beginning to round off. Before I destroy them, what
ways are there to bust these things free? Are there nut-splitters that
can get at them in those recesses? A torch? Would I be better off at a
professional garage?

I have 4 brand-new BFG Radial T/A's sitting in my basement, ready for
mounting. Lend me your thoughts!

Rich
#5335 -Maryland




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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 16:20:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: jaimie Mackenzie <jmacberg_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean parting out parts available

Hi im in need of a left front fender please let me
know if you have one available thanks bernie
610-520-2078
--- therealdmcvegas <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com> wrote:
> Many, many points taken in your response. With a
> vehicle that has sunken 
> down into damp earth, then yes, I can see the damage
> that can occur. 
> Chassis, suspension, fluid lines, etc. I can
> wholeheartedly understand at t=
> hat 
> point why one would consider parting the car out.
> Now couple that with the =
> 
> extensive mechanical, and cosmetic damage, and yes,
> I can then understand 
> why you choose to part the vehicle out. Even moreso
> in how you described 
> how the vehicle was removed by violently jerking it
> out of the mud with a 
> chain wrapped around the front end, rather than
> appropriately digging the c=
> ar 
> out of the ground. Yes, I can understand now. I
> don't fully agree, but I ca=
> n 
> understand.
> 
> However, in the initial posting that was notifying
> everyone that you were g=
> oing 
> to be parting the car out, the current condition of
> the car was omitted. So=
>  
> everyone here was probably picturing the same
> senario that I was: A car tha=
> t 
> was simply parked, and let to sit in someone's
> garage, or driveway. Nor 
> especially the fact that since it was previously
> know that this car was 
> earmarked to be a parts/donor car from the start. I
> myself was figuring tha=
> t this 
> was simply a car that was ready for a simply
> on-chassis restoration. And th=
> at 
> rather than take the time to restore it, you were
> going to chose to part it=
>  out.
> 
> 
> > You missed the point.  This car was purchased as a
> parts car with the hop=
> e 
> of 
> > marrying it to another good one.  I had potential
> buyers for the parts be=
> fore 
> > I even looked at it knowing it was trashed. Once I
> got it home I began to=
>  try 
> > to find a way to get it back on the road because
> the little DeLorean 
> > Leprechan inside was saying SAVE ME SAVE ME.  Even
> the folks from 
> Europe wanted in on 
> > it but after discussions and such it was
> determined it is not in the card=
> s.  I 
> > wanted a project car and was hopeful my initial
> evaluation was wrong.   I=
> t 
> > wasn't.  I have passed on many.
> 
> To be honest, I take more comfort in actually
> knowing that at least a good =
> 
> effort was put forth in trying to save the car,
> rather than simply saying t=
> hat 
> sacrificing one car is going to help save others.
> Maybe I've got this total=
> ly 
> incorrect misconception, but with the effort being
> put forth by so many, I =
> just 
> don't see what parts are so rare that they must be
> obtained from parts cars=
> . 
> Torsion Bars? Ok, I can kinda see that. But even
> then, DMCH has said that 
> their reproduction is possible, and may one day be
> implemented if the need =
> 
> becomes so. I'm not going to attack anyone, but I am
> curious as to what 
> specific parts are needed from this car, that the
> others need so that they'=
> ll be 
> kept on the road? And why don't any of our vendors
> have them?
> 
>  
> > In another part of your comments you said you
> don't give up on a patients=
>  
> > 
> > Ever hear of Hospice.
> 
> What else can I say, but "touché" You are correct
> that there is a point in =
> which 
> something is beyond saving. And that the best thing
> to do is to let that 
> something depart with dignity. In this case,
> dismantling the vehicle for 
> salvagable parts, rather than simply crushing it.
> 
> But then again, as so many have pointed out, this is
> only a car after all. =
> You're 
> right, and I agree. A person has a finite lifespan.
> This same rule doesn't =
> apply 
> to a vehicle. Thru replacement parts, a car does
> indeed have the ability to=
>  
> have a longer, normal service "life" than a person.
> And can of course be 
> brought back much more easily from "the brink".
> 
> Now, like I said, I don't believe that a car needs
> to be parted out unless =
> it has 
> some sort of catastrophic, irreversable damage to
> it. Accident, fire, etc..=
> . 
> Agreeably, major electrical damage in the form of
> vermin, and other pests 
> chewing on the wiring harness is no small
> undertaking. Nor is it a cheap on=
> e 
> comming in at around $1,800 or so just for the bulk
> of the harnesses, if yo=
> u 
> were to actually replace them completely. So I can
> see how both the work, 
> and price just compounds itself, and makes a
> restoration more, and more 
> grim. But like I say, I'm a diehard, eternal
> optimist that every car is abl=
> e to 
> come back, if matched with the right owner. If that
> means that the car has =
> to 
> wait, then it waits. Now by saying this, I don't
> mean that someone should 
> become the saviour of all DeLoreans out there. I am
> in no way, shape, or fo=
> rm 
> suggesting that a person should purposfully purchase
> a car simply to "save"=
>  it 
> for the perfect person to come along. Quite the
> contrary. I feel that if th=
> e car is 
> in that bad of a shape, that the person who owns it
> at the time should sit =
> on it 
> until that right person comes along.
> 
> But also, bringing a car back doesn't mean
> concourse, nor does it even mean=
>  
> "original" for that matter! As has been mentioned
> before, and brought up by=
>  
> Ron, customization is the absolute way to go for a
> car like this. Electrica=
> l 
> bugs? A little bit of wire, and a whole lotta
> patience can go a LONG way. 
> Chassis toasted? Perhaps a bit outside of the norm,
> but why not commission =
> 
> a lightweight, tubular chassis? Siezed motor? Why
> not now try looking into =
> a 
> nice alternative engine that has been proven by
> others whom have done the 
> conversion? Wasted interior? Try something radicly
> different! All one needs=
>  to 
> do is pick up a current custom car magazine for
> inspiration. Weather it's a=
> n off 
> the wall Hot Rod, or a tricked out Sport Compact,
> the things that one can 
> accomplish are unlimited, amazing, and sometime,
> less expensive, with bette=
> r 
> lookng results even depending upon one's own tastes!
> All that's needed is a=
>  
> 
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