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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1618
Date: Monday, August 11, 2003 8:54 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Details, Details.
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

2. Re: Parting out vins
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

3. Re: Vacuum leaks and hi-temps
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

4. Pieces parts
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

5. Re: Running Rough
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

6. Excelsior, MN
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com

7. Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?
From: "hodakaguy" <hodakaguy_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. RE: Re: Parts Available
From: "Dan RC30" <danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>

9. Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

10. Any DeLorean owners in Eastern WA State
From: "hodakaguy" <hodakaguy_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. Re: Pieces parts
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>

12. Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?
From: "media1524" <brentlun_at_dml_netrax.net>

13. RE: Any DeLorean owners in Eastern WA State
From: "Arnie Brandon" <arnie_at_dml_pndc.org>

14. Re: Pieces parts
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

15. 1981 DeLorean for sale
From: "anaheim_21" <anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com>

16. DELOREAN FRONT SHOCKS ON EBAY (Monroe & KYB)
From: "davvet2" <davvet2_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. Re: Any DeLorean owners in Eastern WA State
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

18. Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>

19. Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

20. Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?
From: "Gary Weaver II" <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>

21. ground to what?
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

22. Delorean raffle
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

23. Re: DELOREAN FRONT SHOCKS ON EBAY (Monroe & KYB)
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

24. RE: DELOREAN FRONT SHOCKS ON EBAY (Monroe & KYB)
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

25. Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>





Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:32:33 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Details, Details.

I guess I should have said "twist off the stud for the lug nut". The 
studs are a faily easy replacement. Removing the lug nuts can be 
difficult when the nut "locks" to the wheel if the surfaces were dry 
when you put the lug nuts on - twisting off or breaking off the stud 
usually happens when the nut is truly rusted or corroded to the 
stud - which can happen. A long breaker bar makes breaking the nut 
loose, or just twisting off the stud, easier and more controlled.

Harold McElraft - 3354



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> I haven't destroyed the lugnuts yet. :)
> 
> I'm hearing this about the covering a lot. I found a long pole 
that 
> will fit over my breaker bar here at work. I'll slip out with it 
in 
> and hour and we'll see. :)
> 
> I have no problem destroying the lug nuts but I still don't get 
what 
> you mean by breaking them off?
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_a...> 
> wrote:
> > Have you destroyed the chrome covers for the lug nuts yet? With 
an 
> > impact, the covers often create a cushion that minimizes the 
> affects 
> > of the impact wrench. I would suggest using a break-over bar 
with 
> an 
> > extension (cheater) to loosen the nuts. It is also cleaner to 
break 
> > off the lug nuts this way and just replace them.
> > 
> > Harold McElraft - 3354
> > 
> > 
> > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> > > I spent the day with Mike "The Detail King" Cohee. If you want 
to 
> > make
> > > your car look excellent, and like-factory condition, and on 
the 
> > cheap,
> > > he's the guy to see.
> > > 
> > > On to other issues:
> > > 
> > > I have lug nuts on the front wheels that won't come free with 
a 
> 265
> > > ftlb air-impact wrench. This baffles me. One wheel I expected 
> > problems
> > > with because I wasn't able to get it off -before- I bought the 
air
> > > tools. The  other wheel I don't understand because I had 
removed 
> > and
> > > installed it with the factory lug wrench. Talk about rust!
> > > 
> > > The lug nuts are beginning to round off. Before I destroy 
them, 
> > what
> > > ways are there to bust these things free? Are there nut-
splitters 
> > that
> > > can get at them in those recesses? A torch? Would I be better 
off 
> > at a
> > > professional garage?
> > > 
> > > I have 4 brand-new BFG Radial T/A's sitting in my basement, 
ready 
> > for
> > > mounting. Lend me your thoughts!
> > > 
> > > Rich
> > > #5335 -Maryland




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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:58:16 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Parting out vins

According to the title bureau the fiberglass tub has the vin numbers and is 
the basis for the registration.  




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 02:55:44 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Vacuum leaks and hi-temps

When replacing the otterstadt switch always use a new seal. DO NOT use
any kind of sealer on it. If you don't have the origional clip use a
strap tie around the pipe. Make sure the wires are not where they can
get melted by anything hot. After you get most of the air out of the
system the system will "self-bleed" small amounts of air. If you keep
getting air to bleed out that means you have leaks that allow air into
the system when the motor cools off. The system MUST be tight! It
should hold 15 psi for 15 min without leaks or dropping pressure.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Injector seals are on the top of my list.
> 
> Believe me, I was paranoid about heat. It was only there for a few
> seconds. I was looking before it got there. I bled the system at the
> radiator and the water pump today. Oddly enough, no air at the
> radiator. I think I'll do it again tho.
> 





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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 01:58:51 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Pieces parts

I hear tell that tail lights and tag brackets were affixed to the rear
fascia in one of two ways, rivnuts and "some other way". 

I think I'm the other way. I had little metal squares with a threaded
hole for the attaching screw. Is this a rivnut? I don't even know what
a rivnut is. :) (I was told to take pride in my humility) Many of mine
have rusted and come free from the fascia.

What's the best way to repair this? Some of the holes have been made
slightly larger in size when the metal rotted out.

Please tell me this isn't a "get a new fascia" kind of repair.

Rich "almost on the road" Acuti

#5335




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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 02:58:41 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Running Rough

Make sure the frequency valve still buzzes. It is on the right valve
cover. You may have disturbed the relay or fuse for it or maybe you
just had the coincedence of bad luck and it just went bad on you! The
most common problem in that system IS the relay going bad.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "schab932000" <schab932000_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> 
> I started up my car after only about a week of sitting the other 
> night. It has 24,000 and was running great. 
> 
> The last thing I did before starting it up was making a 
> modification to the door lock box (thanks Elvis). Now when I start 
> it up, it's running rough. I am hearing a puff puff as I accellerate 
> in all gears and lack of power.
> 
> What could cause such a drastic change? It is garaged, so I 
> know water (rain) can't be the issue.
> 
> Any quick checks?
> 
> Thanks, PAT
> vin5553




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:48:02 EDT
From: BondAtomic_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Excelsior, MN

So I'm going to this dinner theatre thing with my family, you know, one of 
those few-and-far-between family outings, and we pass by this less than 
quality-looking mechanic's garage. I look in the parking lot as we pass, and I see a 
1957 Thunderbird in very restorable condition. Next, a 1970 Stingray, in better 
condition. Behind the Stingray, to my disbelief, I saw a 1983 DeLorean. It 
was really weird for me, seeing the first abandoned DeLorean I have ever seen... 
We swing in, and I see that the fascias were complete garbage, and it needed 
some air in the Pirelli rubbers it was wearing. I also saw they had been a DOA 
member, with the sticker on the window, and with a hat in the storage 'ledge' 
behind the seats. It had also an aftermarket tape player. It was licensed in 
Illinois. 
If anyone knows about it, I would like to know myself. I want to go back 
soon, to see if the owner wants to sell, so maybe I could make my DeLorean custom 
to go with my original. 

John
4275


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:33:03 -0000
From: "hodakaguy" <hodakaguy_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?

Hello.  I've been wanting to enter my DeLorean in a few car shows 
lately but I'm finding most of the larger shows have age restrictions 
that keep the DeLorean from being displayed.  I've had it in a few 
small shows but so far all the larger ones tell me that the DeLorean 
is just to "new" to enter.  Is this pretty common for car shows 
across the country?  

Tom C. 
Vin# 01063
WA




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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:51:45 -0400
From: "Dan RC30" <danrc30_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Parts Available

I understand Robert's passion, but I still disagree with it. This is a free country, and a person is allowed to do what they want, and when they want in this situation, without receiving harassment or extended debates from others. If a person wants to buy a car and part it out to make a few bucks, regardless if this is the case or not in this situation, then they are allowed to do this; even if it against your morality to do so. I think the ambition here to save every DeLorean would be better placed in another cause like save the children, save the Siberian Tigers, or save the kitty cats and puppies in the ASPCA from being put to sleep. Again, although the DeLorean is a unique and wonderful car, it's still just that at the end of the day; a car. (I've already defined what a car is so I don't have to go into that again.) And at this time, there are still thousands of them out there to be owned, and I would guess that the majority of them need to be restored. There are PEANTY of them to choose from for whoever wants one. There probably aren't even enough new replacement parts available to resore all of the basket cases out there. If you disagree with me, fine. Let's just agree to disagree and move on. 

Thank you!

---Dan




Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 02:28:40 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: Parts Available

*****  New ground *****

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Scott Cagle" <dmc83n99_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> *****  Moderator's Note  *****
> We aren't plowing any new ground here.  Please consider this
> thread closed.
> 
> Mike G - Moderator of the weekend 
> 
> *****

I'll have to argue this point too! :) I think that we've only begun to
till the rocks out. So I do request that this be let thru.

<SNIP>
>  Now, if Ken feels this strongly that this car
> can't be completely repaired without a massive cost on the end, then
I for
> one believe him, and think it best that a car be parted out to save some
> others rather than continue to deteriorate where it can do no one
any good.

I fully agree with Ken that it is not financially feasable to restore
this car. That's not the actual debate here. What is the actual topic,
is at what point should we write off a car. A car like this would be
better off to go to someone putting personal goals ahead of their
wallet. Hear me out...


<SNIP>
> I guess my point is this.  We are so quick to jump on the wagon to
point out
> the faults in destroying a classic car that we aren't thinking on
the end
> view.

Half true. The problem is we're picturing two different solutions for
this kind of car. And that is where we're not agreeing. We just need
to open our minds a bit. Let me try to explain by citing the same car
that you mentioned below:

<SNIP>
  Currently there is a car 2 miles from my house that has sat in a
> backyard for about 5 years.  It suffered massive flood damage in
Texas.  It
> has been sunbaked in the Florida sun.  All the black plastic in the
> electrical compartment is now brown.  Does this make me a bad De Lorean
> owner because I don't want to buy it and send it to NY or Houston to put
> 25000 dollars into fixing it, but believe it should be parted out rather
> than completely destroyed by the advancement of the elements on it?
<SNIP>

Hardly. Because you're staying neutral with the car by NOT buying it,
that is perhaps the best thing that you can do for the car. If you
can't, or don't wish to fix the car, then don't buy it. And THAT is
the point that I am trying to put across. If the car sits for another
5-10 years, so be it. Eventually, the right person will come along. A
person who wants to take on the challenge. Maybe it'll be because of
an intense passion for the car. Maybe it's someone who's looking for
this major of a car restoration, and they happen to spot this car, and
want it. Who knows. The point is that the best thing for the car is to
let it be. Give it time, things will click together. My car had to
wait 12 years before I came along. And perhaps since you know of this
car, you could share it with the list. Who knows, because of your
actions, you may spark someone's interest, and they buy the car. I'd
reccomend contacting the person, and put the word out on it with
theirr permission. Even the car that Ken has was run through a
gauntlet of potential people who wanted to purchase it. So maybe
you're the key to getting this particular car back on the road. Just
remember, half of the fun for a good number of people is actually
rebuilding the car, not just being an owner of one.

BTW, if it is a flood recovery vehicle, that by far isn't a death
sentance. As said time and time again, customization can be the
answer. Have a look:
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/montkw/delorean/cincin/cincinnati.htm

Customizaton is a win/win situaton for everyone. It allows defunct
cars to regain their operational glory, and affords those with "stock"
cars the opprotunity to have an unique car become even more unique.
Think of it that way.

What many of us here are pushing for is pushing for the option of
customizing to replace parting out. Hope is never lost...

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"

p.s.
This has probably been overall, the most civil debate I've ever
seen/partaken of here on the DML, contrary to popular belief. No
matter what you stance on either side of the debate, it makes me proud
to associtate with so many others here that share the same level of
passion for our cars!



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:23:35 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?

Ken and I have been talking about ways to get more Delorean to his show.

One thought was to group purchase car transportation services.   For 
example,

a transporter could haul 10 deloreans from LA to Pigeon Forge  and then 
back again after the show.

Another Truck could go from Houston (with DMC as the coordination site) 
to Pigeon Forge
and return.

Rich W. is already considering one from Chicago to Pigeon Forge and return.

This would allow people from more distant places to bring their cars. 
 This would save them the cost of a rental car while in town.


What we need is someone with connections to a national transporter (or 
even private haulers) to work with us.    Anyone on the DML with a 
hauler? or other ideas?


BOB




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:59:51 -0000
From: "hodakaguy" <hodakaguy_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Any DeLorean owners in Eastern WA State

Hello.  I live in Kennewick WA, just wondering if there are any other 
owners in the eastern WA area?  Tom C.

Vin# 01063
WA




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:04:24 +0100
From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_delorean.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Pieces parts

I think the original fixings were a kind of "clip in" threaded insert. 
They can be easily replaced with rivnuts. Other cars have self-tappers.

Martin

cruznmd wrote:

>I hear tell that tail lights and tag brackets were affixed to the rear
>fascia in one of two ways, rivnuts and "some other way". 
>
>
>
>  
>





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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:09:28 -0000
From: "media1524" <brentlun_at_dml_netrax.net>
Subject: Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "hodakaguy" <hodakaguy_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hello.  I've been wanting to enter my DeLorean in a few car shows 
> lately but I'm finding most of the larger shows have age 
restrictions 
> that keep the DeLorean from being displayed.  I've had it in a few 
> small shows but so far all the larger ones tell me that the 
DeLorean 
> is just to "new" to enter.  Is this pretty common for car shows 
> across the country?  
> 
> Tom C. 
> Vin# 01063
> WA

Tom,

I have run into the same problem in this area.  In Pennsylvania a car 
qualifies for classic plates at 15 years and antique plates at 25 
years.  The largest show I was in was the 1st Winter Nationals in 
Harrisburg back in February and there was no problem.  I was entered 
in "Special Intrest".  I have seen some smaller local car shows that 
have age restrictions but they are the minority.  Most are happy to 
have a DeLorean entered.  There is another big show comming up in 
December at the Maryland State Fairgrounds, the cutoff is 1972 so I 
can't go.

Good Luck,
Brent Lundgren
1983 #17006
1981 #3049





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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:35:44 -0700
From: "Arnie Brandon" <arnie_at_dml_pndc.org>
Subject: RE: Any DeLorean owners in Eastern WA State

Tom, The Pacific Northwest DeLorean Club (PNDC) lists twelve (12) current
member/owners plus other non-members within 150 miles of your town.  Check
the PNDC web-site at www.pndc.org for additional info.
Arnie

-----Original Message-----
From: hodakaguy [mailto:hodakaguy_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:00 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Any DeLorean owners in Eastern WA State


Hello.  I live in Kennewick WA, just wondering if there are any other
owners in the eastern WA area?  Tom C.

Vin# 01063
WA



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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:16:27 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Pieces parts

The part in the facia IS a rivnut. It is a special kind of rivet with
an internal thread. It is installed like a "pop" rivet except that you
use a "special" kind of tool that the rivnut threads onto. You may
still have them but the screw broke off inside. You could try drilling
out the broken piece and retapping it. If the rivnut is missind or
completely shot it can be drilled out and replaced with the "correct"
rivnut. Remember it is metric. You could try to locate it on your own
or you could contact a Delorean vender. These rivnuts are used all
over the car to fasten to the fiberglass like under the spare tire.
You can also oreder the correct screws if yours are missing or rusty.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Martin Gutkowski <webmaster_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> I think the original fixings were a kind of "clip in" threaded insert. 
> They can be easily replaced with rivnuts. Other cars have self-tappers.
> 
> Martin
> 
> cruznmd wrote:
> 
> >I hear tell that tail lights and tag brackets were affixed to the rear
> >fascia in one of two ways, rivnuts and "some other way". 
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >




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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:22:24 -0000
From: "anaheim_21" <anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: 1981 DeLorean for sale

Always garage kept under cover, never driven in the rain. 1700 
ORIGINAL miles. Completely cleaned the fuel system about 18 months 
ago but probably needs it again to start. Minor problems such as 
drooping headliner, a small separation in the drivers side seat and a 
couple of struts need replacement. Original tires, no rust, no body 
damage, no fluid leaks and other wise, just like it rolled off the 
line. I can e-mail some digital pictures. For price and other 
information please email me at Anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com




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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:05:42 -0000
From: "davvet2" <davvet2_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DELOREAN FRONT SHOCKS ON EBAY (Monroe & KYB)

Has anyone on the list bought and installed the Monroe or KYB shocks 
that have been sold on Ebay? They are said to be a direct 
replacement, and easy install. I need to replace mine, and don't want 
to have to use washers, etc. and want something less expensive than 
the Girling OE shocks.

If anyone has the part numbers for these shocks it would be greatly 
appreciated, so I can look at them before buying.

Thanks,

Jim




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:30:03 -0000
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Any DeLorean owners in Eastern WA State

Tom - Since you asked ... the Pacific Northwest DeLorean Club (PNDC), 
based in the Seattle area, has a number of members on the "other side" 
of Washington.  Check us out at www.pndc.org . I don't have my club 
roster in front of me at present, but we could certainly hook you up 
with fellow D enthusiasts.  Membership does have its rewards!

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1, and a vice-president of PNDC 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "hodakaguy" <hodakaguy_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hello.  I live in Kennewick WA, just wondering if there are any 
other 
> owners in the eastern WA area?  Tom C.
> 
> Vin# 01063
> WA




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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 20:38:28 -0000
From: "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_katewwdb.com>
Subject: Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?

Tom - We had an opportunity last May 17th to be in the Spokane, Wa 
Torch Light Parade, although they initially said that our cars were 
just "too new" to be in the parade.  We simply showed the Parade 
Committee how many shows, parades, and other such gatherings the 
DeLoreans have been in, and how well they are received.  It's 
basically a matter of educating "them" on just how cool this car 
really is.  I can't begin to tell you how many shows (large and 
small) that I've been in with Winged1, along with many of the people 
in the club.

Toby Peterson  VIN 2248
Winged1


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "hodakaguy" <hodakaguy_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hello.  I've been wanting to enter my DeLorean in a few car shows 
> lately but I'm finding most of the larger shows have age 
restrictions 
> that keep the DeLorean from being displayed.  I've had it in a few 
> small shows but so far all the larger ones tell me that the DeLorean 
> is just to "new" to enter.  Is this pretty common for car shows 
> across the country?  
> 
> Tom C. 
> Vin# 01063
> WA




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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 16:49:31 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?

In a message dated 8/11/2003 8:10:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
hodakaguy_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:

> Hello.  I've been wanting to enter my DeLorean in a few car shows 
> lately but I'm finding most of the larger shows have age restrictions 
> that keep the DeLorean from being displayed.  I've had it in a few 
> small shows but so far all the larger ones tell me that the DeLorean 
> is just to "new" to enter.  Is this pretty common for car shows 
> across the country?  
> 

Well you can always come to the DeLorean Car Show in Pigeon Forge June 17-20 
2004
Deloreancarshow.com

We'll take you.  DeLoreans are our specialty LOL

Thanks for allowing the plug

Ken


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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:06:24 -0000
From: "Gary Weaver II" <gw2tulsa_at_dml_cox.net>
Subject: Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?

I gotta say that sounds like a good idea...

We're still planning to come out with the 10680, but we'll probably 
have to tow it on a trailer. IF we don't have a trailer by that 
time, this could be a way to go...

-Gary



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> Ken and I have been talking about ways to get more Delorean to his 
show.
> 
> One thought was to group purchase car transportation services.   
For 
> example,
> 
> a transporter could haul 10 deloreans from LA to Pigeon Forge  and 
then 
> back again after the show.
> 
> Another Truck could go from Houston (with DMC as the coordination 
site) 
> to Pigeon Forge
> and return.
> 
> Rich W. is already considering one from Chicago to Pigeon Forge 
and return.
> 
> This would allow people from more distant places to bring their 
cars. 
>  This would save them the cost of a rental car while in town.
> 
> 
> What we need is someone with connections to a national transporter 
(or 
> even private haulers) to work with us.    Anyone on the DML with a 
> hauler? or other ideas?
> 
> 
> BOB




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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shannon Yocom <ssdelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: ground to what?

The ground at the base of the hood (bonnet) on the drivers side that comes up
from the quarter panel . . . what does this ground? 

I've just discovered mine is detached, don't know for how long and I want to
check what ever it goes to that it is all OK.

Shannon Y
16506

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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:39:33 EDT
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Delorean raffle

Ken,
Did I read your post correctly, that you are planning on raffling off a 
Delorean at the show in TN? Please more details!!!  Is this one of the 1/18 scale 
Sun Star models or the real (life size) cars? I know this maybe a surprise and 
that all the details may not be ready for releasing but if you could give us 
on the DML some more info. What is the year, inter color, auto or 5 speed, 
etc.. I for one will buy a few chances on this and I am sure that others will want 
to get in on this too. I have twins 13 year old boys and only one Delorean so 
a chance to have two (for when they turn 16) is an answer to a dream. For 
anyone who has not been to one of Ken's shows, they are an event to not miss. Not 
only do you get to meet and put faces to the people who have posted on the 
DML, but you also get to see more Deloreans in one spot than the eye can behold. 
Now, again if I understand your post, someone will take home a Delorean from 
a raffle! Please tell us this is not the parts car that has been the subject 
of so much debate, hell even if it is who could not use a few extra parts. So 
if possible Ken, can you please release a few more details...............
Bruce Battles
Vin 06569
MTARNDO 



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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:07:15 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: DELOREAN FRONT SHOCKS ON EBAY (Monroe & KYB)

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "davvet2" <davvet2_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Has anyone on the list bought and installed the Monroe or KYB shocks 
> that have been sold on Ebay? They are said to be a direct 
> replacement, and easy install. I need to replace mine, and don't want 
> to have to use washers, etc. and want something less expensive than 
> the Girling OE shocks.
> 
> If anyone has the part numbers for these shocks it would be greatly 
> appreciated, so I can look at them before buying.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim

I don't know that these are the same exact shocks, but after reading
this, I wouldn't waste my time buying them.

http://projectvixen.com/week09.htm

For literaly the same price, PJ Grady, and Marty Maier over _at_dml_ Mid
State DeLorean club offer their own performance shock kits. And for
not much more either, price wise. Plus, it comes with adjustable, rear
shock collars so you can also lower the rear end as well.
http://www.midstatedmc.com/parts/shocks.html

Stick with buying you DeLorean parts like this from people who've
taken the time to research the compatability, and are not some
fly-by-night eBay'er who is getting their information from an old,
outdated cross-over list.

Also, take note that this same seller "szyszek", is one who has been
seen selling non-DeLorean parts in the past on eBay, and trying to
pass them off as compatabile (see the previous discussion about the
"air valve").

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:37:33 -0500
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: DELOREAN FRONT SHOCKS ON EBAY (Monroe & KYB)

wow, there's an echo on this list...
I asked that question about three weeks ago. Where were you?

The answers, all three of them, were 1) ok, or 2) trash.
Very helpful wasn't it? Opinions, people. We want your honest opinions on
the shocks you are running on your car. Please respond. Now. Or we will be
forced to come and drive your car and decide for ourselves!!

Thanks...
-K

-----Original Message-----
From: davvet2 [mailto:davvet2_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:06 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] DELOREAN FRONT SHOCKS ON EBAY (Monroe & KYB)


Has anyone on the list bought and installed the Monroe or KYB shocks
that have been sold on Ebay? They are said to be a direct
replacement, and easy install. I need to replace mine, and don't want
to have to use washers, etc. and want something less expensive than
the Girling OE shocks.

If anyone has the part numbers for these shocks it would be greatly
appreciated, so I can look at them before buying.

Thanks,

Jim



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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:48:29 -0500
From: id <ionicdesign_at_dml_execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?

I take my car to shows just so people can still see they are still around. People ask
lots of questions and i enjoy answering them.

Mark
6683


hodakaguy wrote:

> Hello.  I've been wanting to enter my DeLorean in a few car shows
> lately but I'm finding most of the larger shows have age restrictions
> that keep the DeLorean from being displayed.  I've had it in a few
> small shows but so far all the larger ones tell me that the DeLorean
> is just to "new" to enter.  Is this pretty common for car shows
> across the country?
>
> Tom C.
> Vin# 01063
> WA
>
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