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Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:51 AM

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Automatic transmission shifts fine but ignores the 2 and 1 positions
From: "a56lincoln" <a56lincoln_at_dml_yahoo.com>

2. Alabama owners and mechanics
From: "a56lincoln" <a56lincoln_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. RE: DELOREAN FRONT SHOCKS ON EBAY (Monroe & KYB)
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>

4. Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. Brake M/C Reservoir Cap.
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

6. Re: Brake M/C Reservoir Cap.
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

7. Re: Automatic transmission shifts fine but ignores the 2 and 1 positions
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. AW: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>

9. Re: Brake M/C Reservoir Cap.
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net

10. Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?
From: "hodakaguy" <hodakaguy_at_dml_yahoo.com>

11. RE: DELOREAN FRONT SHOCKS ON EBAY (Monroe & KYB)
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

12. Good news, Bad news
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

13. RE: Brake M/C Reservoir Cap.
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

14. Re: Automatic transmission shifts fine but ignores the 2 and 1 positions
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

15. Re: Automatic transmission shifts fine but ignores the 2 and 1 positions
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

16. Re: Upper ball joints
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:32:23 -0000
From: "a56lincoln" <a56lincoln_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Automatic transmission shifts fine but ignores the 2 and 1 positions

My automatic transmission shifts fine (first, second, third) in D 
position but ignores shifter positions 1 and 2 (acts like it's still 
in D  Also, my backup lights stay on in Park.  The shifter does not 
seem to be misaligned.  In other words, P R N D 2 1 all seem to be 
aligned correctly with the shifter.  I can't find anything in the 
manuals about such a problem.

What am I missing?  Any suggestions would be appreciated. 




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:37:23 -0000
From: "a56lincoln" <a56lincoln_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Alabama owners and mechanics

I live East of Birmingham off I20 and am wondering about club 
activities in Alabama.  I'm also looking for a mechanic in the area.
Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:37:34 -0500
From: "K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: DELOREAN FRONT SHOCKS ON EBAY (Monroe & KYB)

You should be able to find it by searching.
But here is a summary:

from Kind Soul Who Responded #1:
Monroe gasmatic shocks (I beleive I'm reading the box correctly that it is
model "59016" GM)  on the front wheels and they seem fine.   They are about
$20 a pair at any auto store.   My prior shocks were shot and very old if
not original.  My D has only 6k on it.  Its been driven regularly about 20
miles a month.

from Kind Soul Who Responded #2:
I used the following on the front. Gabriel VST LT Gas Ryder  G63902 off a
Nissan ˝ ton pickup 69-81 (requires space washers to fit)


So far... nothing to help me decide what to do. So I haven't yet; I'm still
working other gremlins and watching my alternator closely. It may jump to
the top of the list.
I wonder if I shouldn't replace my 22 year-old cut springs (cut 22 years
ago, too) when I replace my shocks. I probably should. Then I wonder if the
Mid-State DMC club's wouldn't be a little too soft. I want softer more
comfortable, but they might not be the best choice for the roads in my area
where drainage is more important than smoothness. Some driveways have
drastic inclines.

So what I would like to know about _everyone's_ shocks. If you have
experience with multiple types, then post on all and compare!
1. general ride quality
2. pothole handling
3. high speed handling
4. your car lowered or original height





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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:32:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?

Sounds like an interesting idea.  HOWEVER, since most
car shows give an award for the car from the greatest
distance, let me express my pet peeve.  In some cases
this award has been given to "Trailer queens" and the
like.  IMHO, if you didn't drive it there, you don't
qualify!!!!

Dick Ryan


--- Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com> wrote:
> Ken and I have been talking about ways to get more
> Delorean to his show.
> 
> One thought was to group purchase car transportation
> services.   For 
> example,
> 
> a transporter could haul 10 deloreans from LA to
> Pigeon Forge  and then 
> back again after the show.
> 
> Another Truck could go from Houston (with DMC as the
> coordination site) 
> to Pigeon Forge
> and return.
> 
> Rich W. is already considering one from Chicago to
> Pigeon Forge and return.
> 
> This would allow people from more distant places to
> bring their cars. 
>  This would save them the cost of a rental car while
> in town.
> 
> 
> What we need is someone with connections to a
> national transporter (or 
> even private haulers) to work with us.    Anyone on
> the DML with a 
> hauler? or other ideas?
> 
> 
> BOB
> 
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:09:08 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Brake M/C Reservoir Cap.

Does anyone know of an after market cap that will fit the DeLorean
Brake M/C Reservoir, BUT is a solid single piece? And if so, is it
available _at_dml_ a regular retail-chain auto parts store?

When I bleed the brake system, I would prefer to use positive pressure
to flush the lines, rather than vaccum. So I'm figuring on building my
own unit, since none are readily available localy, and it's a simple
device anyways.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:18:42 -0400
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Brake M/C Reservoir Cap.

> Does anyone know of an after market cap that will fit the DeLorean
> Brake M/C Reservoir, BUT is a solid single piece?

Here's what you need:  Eezibleed Brake & Clutch Bleeder Kit  $40

http://www.cheap-auto-parts.com/record0466.html  or:
http://www.save2much.com/buy/search/Eezibleed_Brake_Clutch_Bleeder_Kit

I have one and it works like a charm! 

-Hank





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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:22:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Automatic transmission shifts fine but ignores the 2 and 1 positions

wow, thank god im not the only automatic owner.  I
thought I was the only one out there.  I have nothing
good to say about the transmission except change your
fluid oftern.  Do you have any leaks, we could
compare.

thanx
jordan 11613
--- a56lincoln <a56lincoln_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
> My automatic transmission shifts fine (first,
> second, third) in D 
> position but ignores shifter positions 1 and 2 (acts
> like it's still 
> in D  Also, my backup lights stay on in Park.  The
> shifter does not 
> seem to be misaligned.  In other words, P R N D 2 1
> all seem to be 
> aligned correctly with the shifter.  I can't find
> anything in the 
> manuals about such a problem.
> 
> What am I missing?  Any suggestions would be
> appreciated. 
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:18:59 +0200
From: "Elvis Nocita" <elvisnocita_at_dml_gmx.de>
Subject: AW: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?

Hm, I went to an american car show with my D lately
and it was the only stainless steel car there. It also
was the only Delorean 99% of the people had ever seen.
(We have less than 100 here in Germany)
I think I had the most visitors at my car, especially 
with the flux capacitor mounted. Always when I looked
at my car from a distance and I didn't have any visitors,
it only took about 10 seconds and there was the next group
putting their greasy fingers on my SS.

Guess what ? I didn't win anything. It had no paint !
A red, really nice Thunderbird got the first prize
and a very custom ugly black I don't know what it was 
got the extra prize.
Don't take those car shows too serious, it's just fun 
to be there.

Elvis



Sounds like an interesting idea.  HOWEVER, since most
car shows give an award for the car from the greatest
distance, let me express my pet peeve.  In some cases
this award has been given to "Trailer queens" and the
like.  IMHO, if you didn't drive it there, you don't
qualify!!!!

Dick Ryan





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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:22:07 +0000
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: Brake M/C Reservoir Cap.


Check out http://www.vq-speedi.com/  They have a cap that is 
just what you need.

--
Mike

> Does anyone know of an after market cap that will fit the DeLorean
> Brake M/C Reservoir, BUT is a solid single piece? And if so, is it
> available _at_dml_ a regular retail-chain auto parts store?
> 
> When I bleed the brake system, I would prefer to use positive pressure
> to flush the lines, rather than vaccum. So I'm figuring on building my
> own unit, since none are readily available localy, and it's a simple
> device anyways.
> 
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:52:11 -0000
From: "hodakaguy" <hodakaguy_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Car Shows? How many of them can the DMC's Enter?

I know for me I just want to have fun showing my car at different car 
shows, I don't really care about having my car judged or awards.  I'm 
just finding a lot of shows that won't let me in becouse of the year 
it was made, regaurdless if I have my car judged or not.  Tom C.


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Sounds like an interesting idea.  HOWEVER, since most
> car shows give an award for the car from the greatest
> distance, let me express my pet peeve.  In some cases
> this award has been given to "Trailer queens" and the
> like.  IMHO, if you didn't drive it there, you don't
> qualify!!!!
> 
> Dick Ryan
> 
> 
> --- Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> > Ken and I have been talking about ways to get more
> > Delorean to his show.
> > 
> > One thought was to group purchase car transportation
> > services.   For 
> > example,
> > 
> > a transporter could haul 10 deloreans from LA to
> > Pigeon Forge  and then 
> > back again after the show.
> > 
> > Another Truck could go from Houston (with DMC as the
> > coordination site) 
> > to Pigeon Forge
> > and return.
> > 
> > Rich W. is already considering one from Chicago to
> > Pigeon Forge and return.
> > 
> > This would allow people from more distant places to
> > bring their cars. 
> >  This would save them the cost of a rental car while
> > in town.
> > 
> > 
> > What we need is someone with connections to a
> > national transporter (or 
> > even private haulers) to work with us.    Anyone on
> > the DML with a 
> > hauler? or other ideas?
> > 
> > 
> > BOB
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > team, please address:
> > moderators_at_dml_d...
> > 
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> > sale see www.dmcnews.com
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:10:34 -0400
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: DELOREAN FRONT SHOCKS ON EBAY (Monroe & KYB)

If you look at the Mid States shocks, you'll see the fronts are the Gabriels and the rears are the Monroes (although you'll never get any one there to admit it). I have the Monroe Gasmatics off of a 69 Camaro Multi Leaf rear Spring on the rears and the Nissan Gabriels up front, and I've been happy. They are not high performance shocks, but for every day inexpensive shocks they do the job. The rear body roll under hard abrupt cornering is a little excessive. I'm considering Koni Aluminum body Coil Overs for the rear from Summit Racing. Probably one of this winters projects. I'm looking for an upgrade for the front also. Pot holes and rail road tracks give me some bounce. Tire pressures make a big difference. Never run them too high. But with the basic dimensions easily available, there are lots of shocks to choose from. Watch the cross ref for the Monroes on the front. The ones I could find were too long and allowed the lower control arm to contact the frame under full extension. I did not find a Monroe to fit the front.

Jim 
6147



"K. Creason" <dmc4687_at_dml_mindspring.com> wrote:

>You should be able to find it by searching.
>But here is a summary:
>
>from Kind Soul Who Responded #1:
>Monroe gasmatic shocks (I beleive I'm reading the box correctly that it is
>model "59016" GM)  on the front wheels and they seem fine.   They are about
>$20 a pair at any auto store.   My prior shocks were shot and very old if
>not original.  My D has only 6k on it.  Its been driven regularly about 20
>miles a month.
>
>from Kind Soul Who Responded #2:
>I used the following on the front. Gabriel VST LT Gas Ryder  G63902 off a
>Nissan ˝ ton pickup 69-81 (requires space washers to fit)
>
>
>So far... nothing to help me decide what to do. So I haven't yet; I'm still
>working other gremlins and watching my alternator closely. It may jump to
>the top of the list.
>I wonder if I shouldn't replace my 22 year-old cut springs (cut 22 years
>ago, too) when I replace my shocks. I probably should. Then I wonder if the
>Mid-State DMC club's wouldn't be a little too soft. I want softer more
>comfortable, but they might not be the best choice for the roads in my area
>where drainage is more important than smoothness. Some driveways have
>drastic inclines.
>
>So what I would like to know about _everyone's_ shocks. If you have
>experience with multiple types, then post on all and compare!
>1. general ride quality
>2. pothole handling
>3. high speed handling
>4. your car lowered or original height
>
>
>
>
>To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address:
>moderators_at_dml_dmcnews.com
>
>For more info on the list, tech articles, cars for sale see www.dmcnews.com
>
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>
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>
>
>


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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:03:18 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Good news, Bad news

Good news: Using a cheater bar & wheel chocks I freed the last stuck
nut on the driver's front.

Bad news: The passenger front stripped out totally.

Good news: New otterstat works great. Fans kick on.

Bad news: Still hotter'n hell without the heatshield.
(Dave T: Where did you get the "thermal wrap" for the starter?)

Good news: Fixed the shift linkage. Have reverse.

Bad news: Still finding more vacuum leaks. :)

Good news: Took her for the first drive OUTSIDE of the parking lot. On
the street!


Boy did people stare.....you'd think I was driving an M1A1 Abrams or
something.


Rich
#5335




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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:45:47 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Brake M/C Reservoir Cap.



Mike, My experience has been that yes you can bleed the fluid but you can't
get all the potential goo out of the caliper with out taking it apart and
cleaning it out and refill. Just a comment. Take a look at it on the bottom
of the page.
http://www.specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/brakes-rotors.html

John Hervey


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net [mailto:mike.griese_at_dml_worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 12:22 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DML] Brake M/C Reservoir Cap.



Check out http://www.vq-speedi.com/  They have a cap that is
just what you need.

--
Mike

> Does anyone know of an after market cap that will fit the DeLorean
> Brake M/C Reservoir, BUT is a solid single piece? And if so, is it
> available _at_dml_ a regular retail-chain auto parts store?
>
> When I bleed the brake system, I would prefer to use positive pressure
> to flush the lines, rather than vaccum. So I'm figuring on building my
> own unit, since none are readily available localy, and it's a simple
> device anyways.
>
> -Robert
> vin 6585 "X"


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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:07:33 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Automatic transmission shifts fine but ignores the 2 and 1 positions

Get out your Workshop Manual and got to G:06:02 fig 17. I am guessing
somehow the manual control valve is not connected to the shift
linkage. You will have to drop the pan to see this.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "a56lincoln" <a56lincoln_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> My automatic transmission shifts fine (first, second, third) in D 
> position but ignores shifter positions 1 and 2 (acts like it's still 
> in D  Also, my backup lights stay on in Park.  The shifter does not 
> seem to be misaligned.  In other words, P R N D 2 1 all seem to be 
> aligned correctly with the shifter.  I can't find anything in the 
> manuals about such a problem.
> 
> What am I missing?  Any suggestions would be appreciated.




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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 01:48:55 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Automatic transmission shifts fine but ignores the 2 and 1 positions

The computer governor could still be the problem, the manual control 
valve may have come loose inside the transmission (rare, but 
possible) or the multifunction switch locking bracket may have come 
loose. The chart on G:04:03 of the Workshop Manual and other pages 
in section 4 gives you a pretty good diagnosis. Based on your 
comments however, I would say your shifter cable needs adjustment or 
the multifunctional switch is loose. On the early cars, like mine, 
the 1st gear hold is a hard adjustment to catch and also get all the 
other positions correct too. This is because of a somewhat sloppy 
shift tower that was later modified which then allowed for a better 
adjustment. I adjusted mine so that I basically have to "hold" the 
shifter back in 1st gear if I want it to stay there. All other 
selector positions are right-on. This setup is fine with me because 
I rarely want the 1st gear hold.

You have to be careful with the adjustment. The shift tower notches 
and the selector shaft positions have to match. The tower can feel 
ok and the cable will still be out of alignment.

Harold McElraft - 3354 (auto)


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "a56lincoln" <a56lincoln_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> My automatic transmission shifts fine (first, second, third) in D 
> position but ignores shifter positions 1 and 2 (acts like it's 
still 
> in D  Also, my backup lights stay on in Park.  The shifter does 
not 
> seem to be misaligned.  In other words, P R N D 2 1 all seem to be 
> aligned correctly with the shifter.  I can't find anything in the 
> manuals about such a problem.
> 
> What am I missing?  Any suggestions would be appreciated.




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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:44:50 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Upper ball joints

Parts manual shows them as M6. Used grade 5's on one of my Lincolns
(5,000 lbs), so 8.8's should be cool. Installed Gutentight (somewhat
imprecise measurement imported from Germany -- good n' tight) with
lock nuts. Wheels haven't fallen off yet.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Jaeger" <sjaeger_at_dml_c...> wrote:
> I will be replacing my upper ball joints shortly and I know I will
have to cut off the four pins/studs holding the old ones in place. Can
someone recommend the type (grade) and size of bolts to use on the new
ball joints? Also, the torque to tighten them to?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> Steve
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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