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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1626
Date: Saturday, August 16, 2003 7:02 PM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: Looking for engine shop in MD
From: "Vicky Miller" <delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com>

2. Re: Getting new tires--Special way to lift the DeLorean???
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

3. Re: Getting new tires--Special way to lift the DeLorean???
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

4. Re: Getting new tires--Special way to lift the DeLorean???
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: Clutch line replacement and cause of backfire?
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>

6. Re: Getting new tires--Special way to lift the DeLorean???
From: "hodakaguy" <hodakaguy_at_dml_yahoo.com>

7. R12 and R134 A/C Refrigerant Alternative
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>

8. Re: Limited edition announcement
From: Ichthyosapien <immerse_at_dml_pacbell.net>

9. Re: Fuel Pump
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

10. Re: Getting new tires--Special way to lift the DeLorean???
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

11. how to tow a delorean
From: Enid <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. Re: Looking for engine shop in MD
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

13. RE: Hunting with A/C on
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

14. Parts for sale
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

15. Re: Re: Clutch line replacement and cause of backfire?
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

16. Re: how to tow a delorean
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>

17. DeLorean Wanted
From: ross14703_at_dml_aol.com

18. Re: how to tow a delorean
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com

19. Re: R12 and R134 A/C Refrigerant Alternative
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>

20. brake caliper springs
From: "johndmc57209" <jrc2905_at_dml_aol.com>

21. Re: Looking for engine shop in MD
From: "Aaron Husak" <ahusak_at_dml_academicplanet.com>

22. Re: how to tow a delorean
From: FSMinc_at_dml_juno.com

23. Re: how to tow a delorean
From: <eric_at_dml_seviernet.com>

24. Re: how to tow a delorean
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

25. Re: how to tow a delorean
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:39:17 -0400
From: "Vicky Miller" <delo1_at_dml_mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Looking for engine shop in MD

I am In North Carolina if you can find your way here I will be happy to help
out and do what I can ....
bob miller
Durham North Carolina





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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:50:03 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Getting new tires--Special way to lift the DeLorean???

The best way to lift the Delorean is to lift it by the frame. It is
the grey metal under the car, not the dark fiberglass). The only real
problem you could have is if the car is lowered you might have some
trouble getting it started. I remember at one tech session we had a
lot of trouble with Dan "D's" car. He had it lowered and then he had
the side  ground effects on the car! I do believe he cried when he
heard the noise!
Save the NCT's for E-bay if they have any usable tread left. Make sure
they don't overtighten the lug nuts. Some shops put them on so tight
you would NEVER get them off without an air impact. They should spin
balance them also. Check the air pressure yourself after they finish.
Look at the glove box door for the correct tire pressures. Most shops
never get it right. If the spare isn't holding air have them dismount
it and apply bead sealer. Don't replace the valves, only the valve
cores. Watch them when they do the front left wheel. If they are
careless they will lose the plastic drive cap and the speedometer
won't work. The lug nuts should be tightened in an alternating
sequence so you don't warp the rotor or rim. While it is up on the
lift check the 4 C/V joint boots and the tie rod seals, and the steer
rack boots. Any that are torn should be replaced soon.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "p12c16" <p12c16_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> When I go to get new tires on Tuesday I assume that they are going to 
> put the DeLorean on a lift to remove the old NCTs. Is there a special 
> way I am supposed to tell them to lift the car?  I would hate for 
> them to crack the fiberglass underbody or damage anything else.  
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> Patrick
> VIN 1880




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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:01:04 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Getting new tires--Special way to lift the DeLorean???

You are going to put new tires on those rims??

OK but be careful 
they chip easy and if they grab from the inside they can destroy them real 
easy.

 


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:01:31 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Getting new tires--Special way to lift the DeLorean???

there are 4 lift points on the car read the jacking insrtuctions 



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 03:12:30 -0000
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Clutch line replacement and cause of backfire?

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> I had my car running pretty well today considering I still have 6
> injector seal leaks.
> 
> Just when I was taking it around the lot for a test drive, the
clutch
> went soft. I still have the old plastic line. I already intend to
> replace it with the braided stainless one.
> 
> My question: Is this one of those "seperate the body from the frame"
> projects?, or can you run it without doing that?
>

No, you don't need to separate the frame from the body to replace the
clutch line, even though the manual says that you do.  When I read
that in the book, I thought "You've got to be kidding!", but after
reading other posts on this list, I was relieved to find that you
could just run the new S.S line along the LH side of the frame without
having to separate the frame from the body.  I secured the line in
place by tucking in between the frame rail and the body and used nylon
tie-wraps every 12 inches or so.  Don't know if that's the best way to
do it, but it worked fine for me.  It took me a whole 15 minutes and I
didn't have to utter a single swear-word.  

Richard Rowe
vin5853




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 03:30:04 -0000
From: "hodakaguy" <hodakaguy_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Getting new tires--Special way to lift the DeLorean???

When I got my new tires installed we used two floor jacks and did one 
side at a time.  I stood there and watched the whole time and its a 
good thing I did, half way through they changed people and when they 
went around to lift the other side of the car they started to lift 
with one jack right in the middle of the car!  I stopped them before 
they got any pressure on it.  Overall it worked great.  The lift they 
had was to short lengh wise for the car and since my car is lowered 
it wouldn't fit on their other lift.  My friend just installed a lift 
at his house and using some small pieces of 2 x 4's under the jack 
points it worked great.  Hope this helps.  Tom C.

Vin# 01063

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "p12c16" <p12c16_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> When I go to get new tires on Tuesday I assume that they are going 
to 
> put the DeLorean on a lift to remove the old NCTs. Is there a 
special 
> way I am supposed to tell them to lift the car?  I would hate for 
> them to crack the fiberglass underbody or damage anything else.  
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> Patrick
> VIN 1880




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 03:31:24 -0000
From: "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_yahoo.ca>
Subject: R12 and R134 A/C Refrigerant Alternative

Hello list,

Check out www.duracool.com.  I was wondering if anyone has used this
in the Delorean or any other car for that matter, and if so, how well
does it work?  

Richard Rowe
vin 5853




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 21:30:32 -0700
From: Ichthyosapien <immerse_at_dml_pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Limited edition announcement

Limited edition Delorean announcement-

The  remaining limited edition 1/24th scale Delorean models have been 
released for delivery.

Mr. Ken Montgomery of the NCDMC has agreed to process the shipping of 
the remaining kits in the very near future.
Ken has the kits and all supporting documentation. Any questions 
relating to the limited edition should be referred to him.

Limited spare parts and rubber tires are available.

Lee Seiler

>  
>




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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 04:52:19 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump

Start fuel pump diagnosis by simply jumping RPM relay (brown to
white/purple). If pump spins, problem is elsewhere. Note brown line is
not keyed (live all times) -- can't leave RPM relay jumped.

If pump doesn't spin with relay jumped, check for voltage on brown
line. If it's dead, check fuse #7. If fuse is good but line dead,
you've got a problem in initial bundle of brown wires.

If RPM socket is good, check for voltage at pump itself
(white/purple). If it's good, check for voltage on gound side. If it's
live too, you've lost the ground (make sure inertia switch is closed).
If gound is good, pump is dead.

Car will not run without fuel pump. Lost my ground about a month ago,
killing engine immediately. Was able to diagnose within 5 minutes
(AFTER I walked all the way back to house for an ice pick light).
Rigged up a temporary ground -- inertia switch taken out of circuit by
PO -- and drove car home.

Spend some time studying wiring diagram. Are many functions that can
be jumped from relay compartment (got headlights that way once when
dash switch was DOA). Once mystery is taken out of electrical system,
any malfunctions will be inconvenient rather than intimidating.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "anaheim_21" <anaheim_21_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hello all - 
> 
> I have a question about the fuel pump, what symptoms would the car 
> show if the fuel pump was inoperable?  Would you still be able to 
> drive the car?  Does the relay / fuse update alleviate any of these 
> symptons?




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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:00:52 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Getting new tires--Special way to lift the DeLorean???

I never take a vehicle to tire shop -- take rims only. Don't trust
their impact wrenches on my rotors.

Requires two trips, but you can jack up one end of car safely
yourself, support on jack stands while rims are in shop, then repeat
next day on other end. Have done this more times than I care to remember.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "p12c16" <p12c16_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> When I go to get new tires on Tuesday I assume that they are going to 
> put the DeLorean on a lift to remove the old NCTs. Is there a special 
> way I am supposed to tell them to lift the car?  I would hate for 
> them to crack the fiberglass underbody or damage anything else.  
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> Patrick
> VIN 1880




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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:19:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Enid <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: how to tow a delorean

Hey Everyone,
 
   I am scheduled to go buy my new baby this Nov 14th, 2003 up in Ohio.  My question is: I don't want to drive the DeLorean from Ohio to Florida.  What is the recommended trailer setup for the DeLorean?  Everytime I try it on uhaul, it says "The vehicle you're towing is too wide" for everything from a Nissan to a Dodge Ram to a F350 towing the vehicle.  I don't know exactly what towing setup to use.  Does anyone have an idea on making sure my "trailer queen" will be safe?  Thanks!


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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:10:13 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for engine shop in MD

The DMC leaky exhaust has fooled experienced mechanics into 
adjusting valves too.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Before you even do that, have someone familar with DeLoreans take 
a 
> look at it - I've seen MANY people mistake leaky exhaust manifold 
> gaskets for valve noise. I'd bet money that's what you are 
hearing. 
> For some reason the sound of the DMC with a leaky exhaust sounds a 
> lot like an old Chevy with a broken rocker arm.......
> 
> Dave Swingle
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
> wrote:
> > Before you go jumping to conclusions you might want to pull the 
> valve
> > covers and try a valve adjustment. 
> 
> > 
> > --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Dmc3360_at_dml_a... wrote:
> > > 
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 08:25:01 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Hunting with A/C on

Mark. What is your idle speed. I would bring it upto 950 as normal. Then see
what it does. If it still hunts and the 02 sensor is good, then I would re
adjust with the AC on.
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com


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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 3:46 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Hunting with A/C on


When the engine warms up to running temp the cold idle hunting is gone.

I turn on the A/C with a warm engine and the idle hunts again.

I turn off the A/C with a warm engine the hunting is gone.

What is wrong?

Mark
6683



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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:26:36 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: Parts for sale

I have a couple of parts for sale if anyone is interested e-mail me
privately off the list:
 
1.  The old driver side door from my car (pictures here:
http://67.85.150.154:81/temp/dmcdents/index.htm).   I am asking $350 for
it.  Currently the door is in Long Island at PJ Grady.  You can either
pick up there, or I can pick it up, and you can take delivery from me in
Northern NJ.   Most of the damages on this door can be removed except
for the slight crease on the edge.  Other then that, this would be a
perfect door.   I am NOT offering any shipping with this...pick up only!
 
2.  Driver side Mirror:  I had this mirror replaced because it bounces
slightly around when driving.  I am asking $120 for it.  (This part I
WILL ship).  The mirror is in great shape.  All internals (motor, etc)
work fine...the mirror just bounces in the housing when you drive.
Purchaser can use it for internal components, or fix the mirror in place
permanently and use it as a "Non Electric" fixed mirror to prevent
bouncing.
 
Let me know if you are interested!
 
Kevin Abato
Vin# 16680


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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:46:37 -0400
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Clutch line replacement and cause of backfire?

> reading other posts on this list, I was relieved to find that you
> could just run the new S.S line along the LH side of the frame without
> having to separate the frame from the body.  I secured the line in
> place by tucking in between the frame rail and the body and used nylon
> tie-wraps every 12 inches or so.  


Here's a photo of what Richard is talking about - DMC Joe did this on my car:

http://www.eskin.net/delorean/ssclutchline1.JPG

And for the newer people on the list, here my site that answers alot of "I just got my first delorean" questions:

http://www.eskin.net/firstdelorean.html

-Hank   #1619




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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:11:31 -0000
From: "erikgeerdink" <erikgeerdink_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: how to tow a delorean

The best way is to put it on a flatbed trailer and pull it facing 
forward.  Don't overtighten it down since I've seen some "eye's" pop 
off the frame due to rust.  If you pull it backwards make sure you 
secure the louver down, or take it off.  

Erik



--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Enid <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
>  
>    I am scheduled to go buy my new baby this Nov 14th, 2003 up in 
Ohio.  My question is: I don't want to drive the DeLorean from Ohio 
to Florida.  What is the recommended trailer setup for the 
DeLorean?  Everytime I try it on uhaul, it says "The vehicle you're 
towing is too wide" for everything from a Nissan to a Dodge Ram to a 
F350 towing the vehicle.  I don't know exactly what towing setup to 
use.  Does anyone have an idea on making sure my "trailer queen" 
will be safe?  Thanks!
> 
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:16:27 EDT
From: ross14703_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: DeLorean Wanted

Hey  I am 15 years old but I have been a DeLorean fan since I was 4 years old 
(the first time I saw Back to the Future).  Well anyway, I am looking to buy 
a DeLorean, any year, any type of hood, with NO wide side strip, light grey 
interior, any tranny.  Must be within the price range of 5,000 to 15,000.  Minor 
fixer-uppers are welcome.   I would appreciate any replies.

~Thanks


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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:41:18 EDT
From: abatt10347_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: how to tow a delorean

The UHaul will fit the Delorean. It is a tight fit, (only inches left on the 
sides), but I know one will fit have used one myself. There are many ideas of 
how to load it (facing front or facing rear). I have always loaded mine 
(Delorean front end) facing towards the front of the trailer. That way you do not 
have a chance of wind catching louvers and flipping them up. Make sure to tie it 
down in the front and the rear. I cross my straps in the rear,.
As for a towing vehicle, check the recommend towing capacity of towing 
vehicle. I have used a Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Dodge Dakota. Both have done the 
job with no trouble. However also check on the towing instructions with each 
vehicle, I have to turn off the overdrive on either vehicle to tow. So be sure 
and do all your homework on this issue. If I can be of any more help feel free 
to contact me at my email address.
Bruce Battles
Vin #06569
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:48:10 -0000
From: "therealdmcvegas" <DMCVegas_at_dml_lvcm.com>
Subject: Re: R12 and R134 A/C Refrigerant Alternative

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> Check out www.duracool.com.  I was wondering if anyone has used this
> in the Delorean or any other car for that matter, and if so, how well
> does it work?  
> 
> Richard Rowe
> vin 5853


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <dmc_driver_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> Check out www.duracool.com.  I was wondering if anyone has used this
> in the Delorean or any other car for that matter, and if so, how well
> does it work?  
> 
> Richard Rowe
> vin 5853

This is one of the biggest debates about MVAC systems, as I discovered
(I'll be doing a total A/C rebuild on my car in the future, so I've
been reading up on alternatives).

The first page says it all, "Hydrocarbon Refrigerant." In comparison
to R-12, and R-134a, HC Refrigerants will cool just as efficiently,
and are truly ozone friendly. Plus they're inexpensive, and are pretty
much non-corrosive from what I understand. On the plus side, everyone
whom I've ever heard from that has actually used an HC refrigerant in
thier car/truck has had nothing but praise for them. I've never heard
anything negative about them performance wise.

However, HydroCarbons are of course quite flammable. After all, HC
chains are what make up methane, petrol/gasoline, motor oil, diesel
fuel, etc... Hence why auto manufacturers are not allowed to use HC
Refrigerants in car air conditioners.


Now, on to the educational part of the post.

A study on the use of HC Refrigerants down in Austrailia, found that
the only threat for flammability comes from improper handling of the
gas when filling the MVAC system on a car. And that if a leak does
occur, the gas disperses too quickly to ignite. This theory was tested
both with cars that have been in real life collisions, to tests of
holding heting elements next to leaks of HC refrigerants in controled
experiments failed to ignite the gas. The test involved a number of
cars that have racked up a combined total of over a million miles, and
never encountered a problem (I'll have to find the link on that one,
but it does exist).

But because the gas used is flamable, that's why automakers are
prohibited from utilizing it in new cars. It is believed that there is
a significant risk of fire. Which is interesting, because while I too
have always heard of this risk, I've never actually seen a car ignite
from using HC Refrigerants. And me personally, I'm more frightened
about when Hydrogen cars hit the road (SUV's are bad enough, I don't
need some "Soccer Mom" piloting the Hindenburg in the lane next to me).

Flamability has always been a concern with refrigeration systems. The
earliest ones themselves utilizing flammable/dangerous chemicals such
as ammonia to operate. Which is why R-12 was so well recieved, as it
was harder to ignite, and more specificly, was no where near of a
health hazzard if it leaked out (Note: "Freon" is NOT a specific type
of refrigerant. It is simply a brand-name used by DuPont to
trademark/single out their product. The same way we all refer to
facial tissues as "Kleenex"). However, R-12 of course was deemed to be
destructive to the Ozone layer, due to the use of 
Chloro-Fluoral-Carbons. It rips apart Ozone molecules (O3) in a
repetative cycle, untill it is destroyed by UV radiation. So since
something needed to be done, and quick, R-134a became a replacement.

But, R-134a still isn't the solution. It was only inteded as a bandage
to get the industry along until something better came along. It's a
Hydro-Fluoro-Carbon (HFC), so no, it doesn't damage the ozone as bad.
But, since it doesn't break apart as easy as CFC's molecules do, nor
are it's elements as easily destroyed by UV light, it's a VERY nasty
greenhouse gas! So don't think that just because R-134a is "safer"
than R-12 that it's ok to vent it into the atmosphere.

>From what I've read in an automotive trade paper, R-134a will probably
be phazed out within 10 years or more. Allot of research is being put
into utilizing Carbondioxide as a refrigerant to replace everything
else in cars.

Oh, and one more thing. While HydroCarbon Refrigerants are flammable,
 R-12. & R-134a are actually flammable as well. But when they burn,
they produce Mustard gas! So while automanufactures, and DuPont have
their beliefs, I guess you've just got to choose the lesser of two evils.

-Robert
vin 6585 "X"




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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:58:03 -0000
From: "johndmc57209" <jrc2905_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: brake caliper springs

I noticed on one of the vendors pages that a rebuilt caliper comes 
with retaining springs on the pads, I sent an email to the vender but 
am asking here if those springs are available for purchase.




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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:35:39 -0500
From: "Aaron Husak" <ahusak_at_dml_academicplanet.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for engine shop in MD

Jammie Gafoux (sic)?   is well respected in the Lotus Community with a
reputation for quality work.  He has moved his shop around the DC area a bit
lately so I'm not sure how to get a hold of him.  If you inquire on the
Turbo Esprit list at YahooGroups someone there will know for sure.

-ah

www.continentalthunder.com




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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:41:56 GMT
From: FSMinc_at_dml_juno.com
Subject: Re: how to tow a delorean


I don't know where you are in Florida but if you're in the Orlando area let me know directly off the group...there is a growing group of us in metro Orlando that get together for weekend lunches, etc.  Any way, regarding towing...I would suggest you buy a car trailer for about $1000 new (used is less).  You will get a lot of use out of it.   I haul mine completely up on it (all four wheels on the trailer) when I go to the car shows.  I keep the trailer in my garage and just park the DeLorean up on it all the time.   I regularly drive the DeLorean by just backing off the trailer...no big deal.   The trailer doesn't require any extra storage space if you keep the car on it.  Alternatively, when I bought a 59 Cadillac out of state in Colorado and had to tow it back to Florida, I couldn't find a car dolly for it (Uhaul said the Caddy was too heavy) so I bought a car dolly in Colorado and rented a big Uhaul to tow the dolly with the Caddy on it.   The dollys are about as much as a full trailer so why not just buy a trailer (that wasn't an option with the Caddy as it is 25 feet long!)  Hope this helps.  Curt, FSMinc_at_dml_Juno.com



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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:02:44 -0400
From: <eric_at_dml_seviernet.com>
Subject: Re: how to tow a delorean

Hi

When I bought my D, I rented a uhaul car hauler (not the tow dolly) and the
DeLorean fit just fine on it. I carted it from Southern Virginia to East
Tennessee with no problems at all.

Eric Itzel
vin 4433

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From: "Enid" <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>
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Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 2:19 AM
Subject: [DML] how to tow a delorean


> Hey Everyone,
>
>    I am scheduled to go buy my new baby this Nov 14th, 2003 up in Ohio.
My question is: I don't want to drive the DeLorean from Ohio to Florida.
What is the recommended trailer setup for the DeLorean?  Everytime I try it
on uhaul, it says "The vehicle you're towing is too wide" for everything
from a Nissan to a Dodge Ram to a F350 towing the vehicle.  I don't know
exactly what towing setup to use.  Does anyone have an idea on making sure
my "trailer queen" will be safe?  Thanks!
>
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:45:51 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: how to tow a delorean

Enid,

I have towed Deloreans many times.  They fit on a trailer for a full 
size cars.  Generally, this requires a Class III trailer hitch that 
today cars can't handle. You have to have a truck.

Typically, the trailers alone weigh 3200 lbs. with the D total weight 
6400 lbs.

BOB




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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: how to tow a delorean

If you have a roll back Jerr Dan it is quite a simple
process. Just have to be carefull not to bottom out
low clearence vehicals. If I ever get mine back I will
be very very happy. :D

Todd
Vin 5386
--- Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com> wrote:
> Enid,
> 
> I have towed Deloreans many times.  They fit on a
> trailer for a full 
> size cars.  Generally, this requires a Class III
> trailer hitch that 
> today cars can't handle. You have to have a truck.
> 
> Typically, the trailers alone weigh 3200 lbs. with
> the D total weight 
> 6400 lbs.
> 
> BOB
> 
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