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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1637
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:06 AM

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: One more thing -Monster garage
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

2. idle problem
From: "Jonas P" <Delorean3543_at_dml_yahoo.com>

3. Need help, Turn signals don't work!
From: "Marc-OS" <marc-os_at_dml_ignmail.com>

4. Black Silicone?
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>

5. HOWTO #9 injector replacment
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. RE: O2 sensor damage?
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com

7. Re: O2 sensor damage?
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

8. RE: O2 sensor damage?
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

9. RE: DeLorean for SALE
From: "Michael Beaumont" <Michael.Beaumont_at_dml_halliburton.com>

10. Re: O2 sensor damage?
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

11. Re: Need help, Turn signals don't work!
From: "Marc-OS" <marc-os_at_dml_ignmail.com>

12. Re: radiator
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

13. DMC Lead
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>

14. Re: One more thing - Monster garage
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>

15. Still hot start problem
From: "armac.rm" <armac_at_dml_rocketmail.com>

16. Re: DeLoreans in Atlanta
From: "whocruiser" <whocruiser_at_dml_aol.com>

17. Re: Re: One more thing -Monster garage
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

18. Re: DeLoreans on Monster Garage
From: Josh Keady <joshkeady_at_dml_softhome.net>

19. Pigeon Forge Numbers...
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>

20. Re: idle problem
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

21. RE: Still hot start problem
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

22. Re: Still hot start problem
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

23. RE: Re: DeLoreans in Atlanta
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

24. Re: Black Silicone?
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

25. RE: idle problem
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>





Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:58:12 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: One more thing -Monster garage

I'm sure Rich will check in on this, but a couple of things to 
remember. The crew (us) has no say in what actually airs. We signed 
all that away at the beginning. 

People who aren't "into" what you are "into" tend to not worry about 
such details. Right now on the monster garage chat list, there's 
someone all worried about the fact that they call the Bronco a 1973 
instead of a 1979. Like I could tell the difference..

Rich sent them a ton of information on us, the cars, the DMC, D-Rex, 
etc. Some of that is undoubtedly what sold the producers on our group 
vs someone else. But keep in mind that they taped 15-20 hours of 
material over 5 days, and distilled it into about 15 minutes of real 
air time. There is a TON of neat stuff still on the cutting room 
floor. And some details that would have helped it make more sense. 

All in all it was a great experience, and we were most pleasantly 
surprised by the amount of DMC content they left in. Initially they 
had indicated that NONE of it would show, but when the director saw 
all the cars there he got pretty excited about it. 

A little more DMC detail - the cars that you see drive up are kind of 
an interesting assortment. They included Rich's Buick Turbo car, 
Bryan's SS frame (red) car, Marty's mild custom, Eric's wild stereo 
car, and my stocker. 

Also - Ken promises that we can show a lot of our out-takes and 
digital photos at Pigeon Forge. 

Dave

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "dom1172" <dom_diaz_at_dml_h...> wrote:
> The commentator's intro for DeLoreans stunk "these were all the 
rage 
> in the 70s" or something to that effect??? What was?? The 
prototype? 
> 
> Anyway, Rich W, why no mention of the D-Rex? Seems like it would be 
a 
> good topic based on the project you guys were tasked to 
perform...Or 
> did I miss this answer already?




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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:15:34 -0000
From: "Jonas P" <Delorean3543_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: idle problem

This problem usually only happens on cold starts. After starting my 
81 D the engine races up and down. At an idle in park it sounds like 
someone 
is pushing up and down on the gas peddel. When you put it in drive it 
still happens but not as bad. Sometimes I can rev the motor to around 
4000 RPM's a few times and it quits. After the motor warms up a bit 
it stops. I know for sure I have a vacaum leak, John Harvey is 
putting 
together a silicone hose set to replace my old ones. Would a vacaum 
leak cause this type of problem? If not, Anyone know what would cause 
this?
Thanks
Jonas 3543 




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:56:04 -0000
From: "Marc-OS" <marc-os_at_dml_ignmail.com>
Subject: Need help, Turn signals don't work!

Ok, well, my Delorean has been sitting in a showroom for about a year 
and a few months. I took it back recently, and among other things, 
the turn signals and hazard lights don't work. I really need to fix 
this because I need to drive/sell the car and having no turn signals 
is a real problem.




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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Stankiewicz <protodelorean_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Black Silicone?

Hi guys.  Around all of the fiberglass filler panels
around the door openings, the factory liberally used a
black, silicone-like sealant.  Anybody know where to
get this stuff?  I can't remember seeing black
silicone at Home Depot and it seems rediculous to use
Black Permatex RTV.  Ideas?  Thanks in advance.

=====
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VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean")
www.projectdelorean.com

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:27:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: jordan rubin <nuttenschleuder_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: HOWTO #9 injector replacment

Hello all:

   Here comes #9 the fuel injector replacment howto.

http://retroserver.no-ip.com/delorean/fuelinjector.html

comments, feedback, does anyone read this stuff?


thanx
jordan 11613

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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:25:07 -0400
From: jwit6_at_dml_cs.com
Subject: RE: O2 sensor damage?

Once warmed up, your O/2 sensor should put out .1 volts at full lean and .9 to 1.0 volts at full rich.
Jim
6147


"cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com> wrote:

>Can you ruin an O2 sensor with a super-over rich condition or with 
>excessive heat, say from a glowing cat?
>
>The dwell meter on my car says the lambda computer and hence the freq 
>valve are not operating properly.
>
>Since I've been told by multiple sources that the ECU almost -never- 
>dies, the O2 sensor is the most logical next item. The problem is, 
>mine's nearly new. I did have it installed way back when my fuel 
>system was totally hosed. I got the cat converter to glow cherry red 
>a few times.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rich
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:38:32 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: O2 sensor damage?

Usually an O2 sensor is not damaged from an overly rich mixture. When
you finally lean it out it will come back to life. You CAN damage it
by contamination. If you do not use "sensor safe" silicone gasket
sealer you will not only ruin the O2 sensor currently installed but
any replacements you install! There are tests of the Lambda system you
can do to make sure the rest of the system is functional. Refer to
D:04:15 # 5 A.-E. There have also been cases (not on Deloreans) of
using silicone cleaners on the motor and when the motor was running it
was ingested and contaminated the O2 sensor. If you are using a
digital dwell meter to check the Lambda don't trust it. Most can't
read it right. You really need an old analog type with a needle to get
the readings you want. Remember we are dealing with 80's technology so
you have to try to use the test instuments that the people had
available then.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Can you ruin an O2 sensor with a super-over rich condition or with 
> excessive heat, say from a glowing cat?
> 
> The dwell meter on my car says the lambda computer and hence the freq 
> valve are not operating properly.
> 
> Since I've been told by multiple sources that the ECU almost -never- 
> dies, the O2 sensor is the most logical next item. The problem is, 
> mine's nearly new. I did have it installed way back when my fuel 
> system was totally hosed. I got the cat converter to glow cherry red 
> a few times.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rich




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:11:39 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: O2 sensor damage?

I had to replace my ECU when recommissioning my car.

Perhaps there is someone local to you that will allow you to swap there
working ECU into your car for testing.  As I recall, the ECU was a few
hundred $.

Also, I recall that someone on this list or one of the others offers a
service to refurbish ECU's

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA


-----Original Message-----
From: cruznmd [mailto:racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:04 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] O2 sensor damage?


Can you ruin an O2 sensor with a super-over rich condition or with 
excessive heat, say from a glowing cat?

The dwell meter on my car says the lambda computer and hence the freq 
valve are not operating properly.

Since I've been told by multiple sources that the ECU almost -never- 
dies, the O2 sensor is the most logical next item. The problem is, 
mine's nearly new. I did have it installed way back when my fuel 
system was totally hosed. I got the cat converter to glow cherry red 
a few times.

Thanks,

Rich



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:25:58 -0700
From: "Michael Beaumont" <Michael.Beaumont_at_dml_halliburton.com>
Subject: RE: DeLorean for SALE

 

I have a 1983, SHOW WINNING, DeLorean for sale. It is a limited edition
(1 of ~100) made for the Canadian Market. It is in excellent shape,
never winter/rain driven, always garaged & covered, and had thousands
($) in upgraded/performance parts. Go to http://dmc.freehosting.net
<http://dmc.freehosting.net/>  for pictures and information. Email me
for any additional pictures and information. This car is appraised at
$39,500 CAD and is being offered for $18,000 USD ($25,000 CAD). One
thing DeLorean owners know is, "you get what you pay for". Usually
cheaper priced DeLorean's need LOTS of work. This needs very little. I
am taking a huge loss, but I need to sell the car. Let me know if you
are interested.

 

 

Thanks

 

Mike Beaumont

BSc. Mechanical Engineering

RFI Coordinator

Wild Rose Joint Venture (KBR)

Petro-Canada SIG / SIG MOD Projects

Phone: (780) 416-6401

 

 

 



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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:33:10 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: O2 sensor damage?

I haven't used any gasket sealant due to fear of contamination. I 
have used NAPA silicone spray lube on the car at various times. I 
don't recall ever directly injecting it into the engine but over 7-9 
months, who knows?

I am using Mike Cohee's analog dwell meter. I will refer to the 
manual section you've called out.

I was unable to perform any tests or repairs because we got hit with 
an unreal storm just as I pulled up in front of my house. Every tree 
in the median outside my development was torn down before my eyes 
blocking the road. Not saplings either. I then looked at the tree 
next to my car, and relocated the car to the middle of the parking 
area just in case.

I think little silver cars are good luck or something.


Rich
#5335 -Md

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_w...> 
wrote:
> Usually an O2 sensor is not damaged from an overly rich mixture. 
When
> you finally lean it out it will come back to life. You CAN damage it
> by contamination. If you do not use "sensor safe" silicone gasket
> sealer you will not only ruin the O2 sensor currently installed but
> any replacements you install! There are tests of the Lambda system 
you
> can do to make sure the rest of the system is functional. Refer to
> D:04:15 # 5 A.-E. There have also been cases (not on Deloreans) of
> using silicone cleaners on the motor and when the motor was running 
it
> was ingested and contaminated the O2 sensor. If you are using a
> digital dwell meter to check the Lambda don't trust it. Most can't
> read it right. You really need an old analog type with a needle to 
get
> the readings you want. Remember we are dealing with 80's technology 
so
> you have to try to use the test instuments that the people had
> available then.
> David Teitelbaum
> vin 10757
> 
> 
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> > Can you ruin an O2 sensor with a super-over rich condition or 
with 
> > excessive heat, say from a glowing cat?
> > 
> > The dwell meter on my car says the lambda computer and hence the 
freq 
> > valve are not operating properly.
> > 
> > Since I've been told by multiple sources that the ECU almost -
never- 
> > dies, the O2 sensor is the most logical next item. The problem 
is, 
> > mine's nearly new. I did have it installed way back when my fuel 
> > system was totally hosed. I got the cat converter to glow cherry 
red 
> > a few times.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Rich




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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:44:33 -0000
From: "Marc-OS" <marc-os_at_dml_ignmail.com>
Subject: Re: Need help, Turn signals don't work!

Never mind this, I fixed it, turns out the flasher unit somehow got 
unplugged.




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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:10:55 -0400
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: radiator

In a message dated 8/26/2003 3:57:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dsilek_at_dml_msn.com writes:

> whoever had the radiator  for sale, please contact me  at 
> dsilek_at_dml_msn.com
> thank you.
> david silek


If anyone is in need of a high-quality aftermarket 3-row brass radiator, i have a good source. relatively inexpensive too. Just email me and i'll give you details.  might take a couple days because i am extremely busy with work and school...

Andy



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:40:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vin 5386 <delorean_stainless_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DMC Lead

I have a possible DeLorean lead in the works. Someone
I know stumbled upon a DeLorean buired in a field.
Supriseing find huh? As of now I am unsure if this is
a lagitamet lead or not. As I get further details I
will post them to the group. I might go after this one
as a secondary project. If I am unable to grab her I
will post all details for somebody on the list. Lets
hope we can rescue another one and invite her back
into her DMC family :D

Todd
Vin 5386



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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:44:56 -0000
From: "d_rex_2002" <rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net>
Subject: Re: One more thing - Monster garage

List,

Dave Swingle hit most of the main points about the show and how it is
produced, with very little control of content by the build team.
The producer looks for a theme he would like to "make fit" with the
video footage he ends up with or sometimes they have to make due.

There is not only a lot of video left on the cutting room floor, but
there is footage that is removed by Discovery Channel, after the post
production by the studio, in order to fit commercials into the show.
I suspect that is where our Monster Garage profiles got the axe.

The good news is that we did get some behind the scenes home video
of the making of this monster, so the show is only the beginning. 

For example, one of our support team members, Marni Patrick, got some
video footage that the film crew did not get, including the view of
Eric's jump that was aired in the show (note her name in the credits)
and Marni also got some footage of Eric blasting over a huge pile of
aggregate just prior to the jump, but since the time/date stamp was
on that video footage, they probably decided not to use that clip.

The show was just the validation of the time and effort put in by
myself and both the build team and support team.  Many people do
not realize that it took over 5 months of countless e-mails, calls
and FedEx packages of propaganda to make this show a reality.  Even
after all of that, it took 3 weeks of preparation, a full week of
clean-up and 2 weeks of reviewing the production with the supporting
vendors, not including the actual build week (a week of no sleep).
This was a complete team effort and a complete success.

Another big thanks to Julee for letting Dave build that huge garage
and for putting up with us for a few weeks, before, during and after.

Let me know when you guys are ready to build the next project.

Later,
Rich W. 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> I'm sure Rich will check in on this, but a couple of things to 
> remember. The crew (us) has no say in what actually airs. We signed 
> all that away at the beginning. 
>
> snip < 
>
> Also - Ken promises that we can show a lot of our out-takes and 
> digital photos at Pigeon Forge. 
> 
> Dave
> 





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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 01:35:40 -0000
From: "armac.rm" <armac_at_dml_rocketmail.com>
Subject: Still hot start problem

When my D gets hot it does not like to start. Have replaced the 
injectors, fuel dist.,and fuel accumulator. Before the accumulator 
was replaced I could fire the cold start injector the car would start 
and run. After it was replaced the car ran good for about 3 drive 
cycles and now it will only start if I spray a little gas,WD40,ect.. 
into to the engine while cranking then it will start and run fine. 
But this ONLY has to be done after the engine had been runing, never 
cold. Thinking the fuel pump intake hose might be the problem. Any 
ideas before I have to empty a full tank of gas?




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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:28:14 -0000
From: "whocruiser" <whocruiser_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: DeLoreans in Atlanta

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Darrenanddawn_at_dml_b... wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm wondering if someone out there can help me, I'm looking to get 
a D soon as I've been a fan since they first came out.....makes me 
feel old just thinking about it...ahhh the 80's, Bazooka Joe 
bubblegum, The Red Hand Gang and Tiswas (UK saturday morning TV prog 
for all the non UK folk).  Anyway enough of all that and back to the 
D.........as I was saying, I'm looking to get a D soon but the sad 
fact is I have never actually seen one in the flesh...well steel 
really.  Even though I'm from the UK I currently live in Atlanta, Ga 
and was hoping that someone who lives vaguely close to me would be 
prepared to show me their DeLorean.  I know that SEDOC is close and 
hope to go but if someone can help/advise then I'd really appreciate 
it.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Darren
> Hopefully soon to be "part of the gang"

Hi Darren -

If you're an ex-pat Brit who remembers Tiswas, than you'd also 
probably appreciate a bit of trivia in the history of my Delorean...

Sylvester McCoy from Tiswas, who later went on to even greater fame 
as the Seventh Doctor on Doctor Who, has ridden several times in my D 
when in town for some of the celebrity/fan vacation cruise events 
that I sometimes run (once, I must sadly admit, when the air 
conditioning went out -on a warm May afternoon in Florida!)  While 
doing promotions for the West Palm Beach, Florida PBS station's 
Doctor Who pledge nights, we also used my car for a gag promo that 
introduced the in studio celebrity guest, John Levene, who played 
Sgt. Benton.  In it, he is supposedly dropped off at the TV studio by 
The Doctor, the unseen driver of my delorean, which then 
dematerializes to the familiar sound of The Doctor's own time 
machine, the TARDIS.  Quite amusing if you know any background on 
both Doctor Who & Back To The Future....




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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:00:47 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: One more thing -Monster garage

For those of you wanting to see more I did tell Dave that I would be more 
than willing to include it at the show.

So depending on what they give me you will be seeing a lot more but you have 
to come to Pigeon Forge to see it.

PS 

I am hoping to blow away the record for most DeLoreans in a gathering.  The 
last two shows just broke 100 how about helping me make this one over 125

Ken


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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:48:19 -0700
From: Josh Keady <joshkeady_at_dml_softhome.net>
Subject: Re: DeLoreans on Monster Garage

I won't comment on the final product of your efforts (rock crawl much? 
;-)  But I will say nice cars, and NICE garage Dave! ;-)

Josh

On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 09:20 PM, Dave Swingle wrote:

> Now it can be told - initial airing of the "Monster Garage" episode
> with our group of DMC-nuts building a rock crawler/monster truck
> aired tonight. Repeat on Friday and Sunday, look for the "American
> Monsters" episode in local listings. More background pix at
> www.dmcnews.com, link in the center of the page.
>
> The names you may recognize from the DML are Rich Weissensel, Bryan
> Pearce, Marty Maier, Eric Weber, and me.
>
> It's severely edited from the 4 days that we worked on it, but
> actually came out pretty well. We were not sure what to expect, and
> were pleasantly surprise by how much of the DeLorean background
> material stayed in.
>
> A huge thanks to Rich for talking the MG people into this thing,
>  and making all the sponsor arrangements etc. He was really key to
> the effort.
>
> Dave S




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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:17:30 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>
Subject: Pigeon Forge Numbers...

125?!

Come on...We can get over 200!!  Everybody, call 5 DeLorean owners you 
know, that aren't on this list, and tell them all to push, shove, 
whatever...just bring their cars to Pigeon Forge!

-Josh



kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com wrote:

>For those of you wanting to see more I did tell Dave that I would be more 
>than willing to include it at the show.
>
>So depending on what they give me you will be seeing a lot more but you have 
>to come to Pigeon Forge to see it.
>
>PS 
>
>I am hoping to blow away the record for most DeLoreans in a gathering.  The 
>last two shows just broke 100 how about helping me make this one over 125
>
>Ken
>
>
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>
>
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 03:58:01 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: idle problem

I have fixed several with similar symptoms. In all cases it turns out
to be vacuum leaks. They were in different places and varied in
severity but the underlying cause was air entering the engine that
wasn't measured by the air sensor and the idle system tried to keep up
with it unsuccessfully. You have to look in the more unusual places.
It isn't always a loose or cracked vacuum hose. It can be the "O" ring
seal on the air pipe to the idle motor, hard seals on the fuel
injectors, missing gaskets or "O" rings on the air induction system,
and so on. Make sure the 3 brass screws are seated closed (clockwise)
and the throtle spool is hitting the idle micro and it is working.
Other things just make the symptoms worse like dirty fuel injectors,
old ignition wires, worn spark plugs. Typically when you have a
problem like this you wind up going through a whole tune-up to really
cure it and straighten things out. If your mode switch is hissing that
needs to be fixed. This is a case of where all the vacuum leaks have a
cumulative effect that is to say they add up so that a lot of tiny
leaks make a big problem. On many of the Deloreans you are dealing
with 20 + year old rubber which ages, is subject to heat and shrinks
and cracks. It could take replacing every piece of vacuum hose to fix.
Any piece that is hard, swollen, soft, or worn should be removed and
replaced just like every piece of hose on the cooling system.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757 


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Jonas P" <Delorean3543_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> This problem usually only happens on cold starts. After starting my 
> 81 D the engine races up and down. At an idle in park it sounds like 
> someone 
> is pushing up and down on the gas peddel. When you put it in drive it 
> still happens but not as bad. Sometimes I can rev the motor to around 
> 4000 RPM's a few times and it quits. After the motor warms up a bit 
> it stops. I know for sure I have a vacaum leak, John Harvey is 
> putting 
> together a silicone hose set to replace my old ones. Would a vacaum 
> leak cause this type of problem? If not, Anyone know what would cause 
> this?
> Thanks
> Jonas 3543




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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:14:35 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Still hot start problem

Possible control plunger adjustment. Enrich 1/8th turn.
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com



-----Original Message-----
From: armac.rm [mailto:armac_at_dml_rocketmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:36 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Still hot start problem


When my D gets hot it does not like to start. Have replaced the
injectors, fuel dist.,and fuel accumulator. Before the accumulator
was replaced I could fire the cold start injector the car would start
and run. After it was replaced the car ran good for about 3 drive
cycles and now it will only start if I spray a little gas,WD40,ect..
into to the engine while cranking then it will start and run fine.
But this ONLY has to be done after the engine had been runing, never
cold. Thinking the fuel pump intake hose might be the problem. Any
ideas before I have to empty a full tank of gas?



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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:19:26 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Still hot start problem

The fuel injector system needs what is called "rest pressure" to
restart when warm-hot. The fuel accumulater is supposed to store that
pressure. To do that it needs to be good, that is to say it should not
leak out the small nipple on the back indicating a blown diapghram
inside. Assuming the accumulater is OK the other 2 things you need to
hold rest pressure is a good check valve on the fuel pump and a good
(non leaking) pressure regulater on the mixture unit. The general
sequence of failure is the accumulater, then the check valve on the
fuel pump and then (rarely) the pressure regulater on the mixture
unit. Pull the small rubber hose off the end of the accumulater and
run the pump. If fuel comes out the nipple of the accumulater replace
it. If fuel doesn't come out then replace the check valve on the fuel
pump. If you have the old style pump with the valve internal to it
then you will have to replace the fuel pump. You should also check to
make sure the control pressure regulater on the left valve cover is
getting power.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757  


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "armac.rm" <armac_at_dml_r...> wrote:
> When my D gets hot it does not like to start. Have replaced the 
> injectors, fuel dist.,and fuel accumulator. Before the accumulator 
> was replaced I could fire the cold start injector the car would start 
> and run. After it was replaced the car ran good for about 3 drive 
> cycles and now it will only start if I spray a little gas,WD40,ect.. 
> into to the engine while cranking then it will start and run fine. 
> But this ONLY has to be done after the engine had been runing, never 
> cold. Thinking the fuel pump intake hose might be the problem. Any 
> ideas before I have to empty a full tank of gas?




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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:17:32 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Re: DeLoreans in Atlanta

Darren, Have yopu registered for SEDOC. If not go to www.specialtauto.com
and click on SEDOC registration. Then email me off line for names in the
area for a possible buy.
John Hervey


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Darrenanddawn_at_dml_b... wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm wondering if someone out there can help me, I'm looking to get
a D soon as I've been a fan since they first came out.....makes me
feel old just thinking about it...ahhh the 80's, Bazooka Joe
bubblegum, The Red Hand Gang and Tiswas (UK saturday morning TV prog
for all the non UK folk).  Anyway enough of all that and back to the
D.........as I was saying, I'm looking to get a D soon but the sad
fact is I have never actually seen one in the flesh...well steel
really.  Even though I'm from the UK I currently live in Atlanta, Ga
and was hoping that someone who lives vaguely close to me would be
prepared to show me their DeLorean.  I know that SEDOC is close and
hope to go but if someone can help/advise then I'd really appreciate
it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Darren
> Hopefully soon to be "part of the gang"




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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 05:46:15 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Re: Black Silicone?

GE makes Silicone (10 oz caulk gun) in every color of rainbow. Works
excellent in harsh conditions: have used silver on my canoe. Have
sealed a couple of Ford glue in windshields with combo of clear and
something innocuous on finish side. Usually buy at Lowes. Try
searching for online retailer -- have bought less popular ConTact
Paper woodgrains that way (http://doitbest.com/shop/default.asp).

Word of warning: clean off excess while still wet. Clings like super
glue. But does remain flexible and does not shrink.

Bill Robertson
#5939

>--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Steve Stankiewicz
<protodelorean_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> Hi guys.  Around all of the fiberglass filler panels
> around the door openings, the factory liberally used a
> black, silicone-like sealant.  Anybody know where to
> get this stuff?  I can't remember seeing black
> silicone at Home Depot and it seems rediculous to use
> Black Permatex RTV.  Ideas?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> =====
> Steve
> 
> VIN 2650 ("Project Delorean")
> www.projectdelorean.com
> 
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:21:07 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: idle problem

Jonas, Besides a vacuum leak. Could be a idle speed thermister/sensor in the
internal water pipe.
John Hervey
www.specialtauto.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonas P [mailto:Delorean3543_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:16 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] idle problem


This problem usually only happens on cold starts. After starting my
81 D the engine races up and down. At an idle in park it sounds like
someone
is pushing up and down on the gas peddel. When you put it in drive it
still happens but not as bad. Sometimes I can rev the motor to around
4000 RPM's a few times and it quits. After the motor warms up a bit
it stops. I know for sure I have a vacaum leak, John Harvey is
putting
together a silicone hose set to replace my old ones. Would a vacaum
leak cause this type of problem? If not, Anyone know what would cause
this?
Thanks
Jonas 3543



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