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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1645
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2003 9:04 AM

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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: fuel pump - which components to replace?
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>

2. RE: First Series Cars
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

3. RE: red hot cat still hot
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

4. RE: 1 Question before I begin living the dream!!!!!!
From: "F.A.S. Truhan III" <vampeiyre_at_dml_earthlink.net>

5. Re: 1 Question before I begin living the dream!!!!!!
From: "Christopher Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>

6. RE: Re: Monster Garage re-run (with Deloreans)
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

7. RE: Vacuum Leaks-Smokin them out
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>

8. Re: Air Con O-rings
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>

9. Disregard Heater Core Shut Off Valve Xref
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>

10. Re: 1 Question before I begin living the dream!!!!!!
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>

11. Re: Re: Tuning Idle Speed Circuit. (John Hervey)
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>

12. Hawthorn
From: "Carl" <carlmailuk_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>

13. Re: 1 Question before I begin living the dream!!!!!!
From: "p12c16" <p12c16_at_dml_yahoo.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 01:45:00 -0000
From: "Harold McElraft" <hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Re: fuel pump - which components to replace?

If you're doing the pump, go all the way! You will be glad you did. 
Do the flex fuel lines that connect to the pump too.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "gullwings2000" <gullwings2000_at_dml_y...> 
wrote:
> After noticing a major gas leak after fill-up the other day I had 
the 
> car towed to a service station. Upon inspection it turns out the 
fuel 
> pump ring (the big rubber boot/seal) was seriously deteriorated as 
> well as the feed/return hoses. (Not surprsied - the car has sat 
> unused for long periods and I've suspected fuel system problems.)
> 
> The mechanic said if I got the parts he'd do the work, so now I'm 
> just debating over which parts to replace. I'd rather not do more 
> than necessary but I also don't want to be penny-wise/pound-
foolish.
> 
> For all I know the fuel pump is fully functional but I'm leaning 
> towards replacing it anyway. I'm wondering how far down 
the "chain" 
> to go though, ie. the fuel tubes, elbow, tee, etc. I can 
understand 
> the rubber components being deteriorated, but shouldn't the metal 
> components still be usable? Any other things I should have 
> checked/replaced while the mechanic is at it?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Tom (VIN 01710)




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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:58:43 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: First Series Cars

If they were in the sand. Then they should be perfectly preserved.
John Hervey


-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Berveiler [mailto:zamphyr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 11:54 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] First Series Cars


Hey group,

I heard a pretty substantiated rumor last night from a
DMC investor that some of the investor cars (like 4981
that sits in my contact's garage) were delayed from
earlier models (he was sheduled 2051, so he claims)
due to "Overseas Shipments".  This was communicated
via telephone from JDZ representatives to those
investors (like my contact).

The grapevine (unsunbstantiated) is that a LOT of the
low VIN cars were delivered to Saudi Arabia and other
middle Eastern states.  A friend of mine in US Army
Intel confimred that he saw no less than 2 dozen
ruined ones in a sand pit in Kuwait when he was there
10 years ago, and even more in Saudi.

Has anyone heard of this before?

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:18:46 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: red hot cat still hot

John,
Not knowing what minor fixes he did,  A basic Bosch tune up kit cost $79.00.
Solder or fix a wire 5 min. So, you figure if $400.00 is to much. Keep in
mind, spending about $75.00 in labor and having a big bill from the shop
doesn't make the car run better. You could buy the tools and do the tune up
yourself and have the satisfaction you did it and have tools left over along
with the experience.
John Hervey



-----Original Message-----
From: John Podlewski [mailto:john_podlewski_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 5:24 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] red hot cat still hot


 Saw the cat today not running took his word for it.  Found out today the
mechanic gave it a tune up a new cap, new rotor, new plugs and wires all
bosch.  But no new O2 sensor, he is going to put a new one on today. But I
don't think that is the cause. Thanks for the notes cruzmd I will guide him
in that direction.  I hope this is not going to cost to much, do to his
mistake?  By the way is $400 to much for the above mention he did do some
very minor fixes, however and a ground wire is broken off from the
microswicth throttle quadant.  That wouldn't have anything to do with my
problem would it?


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:53:15 -0700
From: "F.A.S. Truhan III" <vampeiyre_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: 1 Question before I begin living the dream!!!!!!


> My question for the list is this: Is the optional wide strip on the 
> sides of the car removable? The vehicle I'm looking at has it and 
> I 'm not sure how I feel about it. It's not that I dislike it, but I 
> do like the look of the DeLorean without it.

     I rather hope you don't remove the stripe. DeLorean's with the stripe
seem to be rather uncommon, and for the sake of some who'd like to get a D
with the stripe someday (OK, dorks like me  hehe) I'd hope you'd not make
them that much rarer by taking the stripe OFF of one that already had it.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Frank>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>









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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:19:36 +0100
From: "Christopher Hawes" <chris_at_dml_hawes74.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 1 Question before I begin living the dream!!!!!!

A hairdryer will heat the stripe up enough to remove it.  You may notice
some form of contrast between the stainless that has been covered up by the
stripe for over 20 years.  I am sure in the worse case that that part of the
panel could be rebrushed to rid the 'contrast line'.  Although I have never
had a stripe to remove on my car, this is what I have heard from other
owners.

>From what I remember this was a dealer option.

Chris Hawes
vin 5255

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "racaliendo" <RACaliendo_at_dml_aol.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 5:41 AM
Subject: [DML] 1 Question before I begin living the dream!!!!!!


snip....
>
> My question for the list is this: Is the optional wide strip on the
> sides of the car removable? The vehicle I'm looking at has it and
> I 'm not sure how I feel about it. It's not that I dislike it, but I
> do like the look of the DeLorean without it.
>
> I'm 99% sure I'm going to buy the car either way but I just want to
> know If I have the option to remove it.
>
> I can be contacted directly _at_dml_ RACaliendo_at_dml_aol.com
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> Rich Caliendo
>




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:40:54 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Re: Monster Garage re-run (with Deloreans)

I Tivoed it last night. 

I am putting it into AVI format with JUST the parts related to the DMC
club.  Should have it on my web site later today.

-----Original Message-----
From: d_rex_2002 [mailto:rich_at_dml_outernet-tech.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:59 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Monster Garage re-run (with Deloreans)


Dave and List,

I double checked the episode schedule and the weekend re-run is on
Sunday at 2pm (1pm Central) according to Discovery Channel website.

And yes, we know, the Delorean was not the hit car of the 1970's, but
those facts got mixed up just like the 1979 Bronco (not a '73).

Later,
Rich W.   

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_d...> wrote:
> Reminder - if you missed it the first time, next run of the Backyard
> Monster/Monster Garage episode with DeLoreans in it (not as the 
> project!) is tomorrow Friday Night 8/29. Air time is 8 and 11 (7 and 
> 10 central). Also on Saturday at 3 pm (2 central). Discovery 
Channel. 
> 
> Dave S



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:53:06 -0500
From: "Scott Mueller" <scott.a.mueller_at_dml_mchsi.com>
Subject: RE: Vacuum Leaks-Smokin them out

Dave,
How about a brief description on how the smoke machine is used.
I have one that I use at Halloween, it cost <$100

Scott Mueller
002981
RNDOLA


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Sontos [mailto:dsontos_at_dml_sybercom.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:37 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Vacuum Leaks-Smokin them out


Motor magazine July 2003 has a excellant article on finding vacuum leaks
using a general purpose smoke machine. According to the article they run
between $1,000 and $1,300. A little expensive for the backyard mechanic but
affordable for any professional garage. If you have vacuum problems and take
the car to a garage make sure they use a smoke machine to check for vacuum
leaks.

Dave Sontos
vin 02573




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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:29:16 +0100
From: "Paul Salsbury" <paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Air Con O-rings

Thank for the offer John

After a trip to my local Car Shop he was able to sell me them all
for........Drum roll.. BRRRRRRRRR  2.10

Thanks again
Paul

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 30 August 2003 06:21
Subject: RE: [DML] Air Con O-rings


> Paul, I sell a complete kit of GM O rings for $45.00 and Chrysler also for
> $45.00. Others as requested.I can put the kit on the web site if you wish
> but it may be tusday before I can.
> John Hervey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Salsbury [mailto:paul.salsbury_at_dml_btinternet.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:41 AM
> To: doc-uk_at_dml_yahoogroups.com; dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com;
> DMCForum_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DML] Air Con O-rings
>
>
> Quickie
>
> Does any one sell all the O-Rings for the air con system as a set or do I
> have to order them all individually??
>
> Cheers
> Paul
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:22:37 -0000
From: "content22207" <brobertson_at_dml_carolina.net>
Subject: Disregard Heater Core Shut Off Valve Xref

Is 3/4" on one end.

Should have known -- Autozone convinced I have a 3/4" heater hose in
there somewhere. Loves to sell me valves and heater cores with one
5/8" nipple and one 3/4". Trust me: have five of the things covering
all 3 years of production -- no 3/4" heater hoses.

Went back to tower valve I usually use (including DeLo). Factory Air
#74612. Good news is only costs $10.

Bill Robertson
#5939





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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:28:24 -0400
From: "Henry" <henry_at_dml_ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: 1 Question before I begin living the dream!!!!!!


>My question for the list is this: Is the optional wide strip on the 
>sides of the car removable? The vehicle I'm looking at has it and 
> I 'm not sure how I feel about it. 

Hi Rich,

  Welcome to the club.  I felt the *exact* same way before I bought my Delorean with a side stripe.  But after a couple of months, I actually came to appreciate it - it really makes the car stand out from all the others (sorry guys..), and it's an uncommon dealer option. Now I'm quite happy with it and that I never removed it.  Once you get the car, try it out for a while - then decide if you want to remove it.

-Hank




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:56:12 -0400
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Tuning Idle Speed Circuit. (John Hervey)

John,
The engine was set up at normal operating temperature with both fans running
and A/C off. I have set the CO using an exhaust gas analyzer. The method of
adjustment was to simply let the tool sit in the screw head without any
downward pressure turning 1/16 to 1/8 at a time. I can't seem to set my idle
at 950 with the O2 sensor plugged in. If I attempt this it swings wildly as
if it wants to stay near 750. I have been making the idle adjustments using
the curb-idle screw on the throttle linkage. I have noticed that if I use
the idle adjustment screw on the throttle body intake manifold, (The slotted
brass one of the three closest to the throttle plates) it has no effect on
the idle speed at all. As a matter of fact, none seem to have any effect at
all ...with or without the O2 sensor connected! The closest I can get to a
stable idle is a swing of 25-50 rpms in either direction. However, even then
the engine idles very rough. I have checked for all possible vacuum leaks
and there are none. The timing is 13 degrees BTDC on the money. (at 750rpm)
There is no vacuum present at the distributor vacuum advance. The lambda
system appears to be working as is the CIS.  That is to say that the air
valve is actuating in both directions and the Lambda system reacts to the O2
sensor signal. The full throttle switch is functioning. ( when I press it,
the idle will settle right down.) The idle microswitch is functional and
adjusted properly...well as properly as I can get it with this idle problem.
At startup on a cold engine, the car turns right over but runs very rough
until it warms up a bit. It idles rough and boggs down if you attempt to
give it some throttle. Once warmed up, it becomes very responsive and seems
to drive O.K. Thereafter, it is easy to start and accelerate but the idle
remains poor.

Thanks,
Rustproof
vin 1559

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From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 1:55 AM
Subject: RE: [DML] Re: Tuning Idle Speed Circuit. (was: Re: idle problem)


> Rustproof, See below.My 2 Cents.
> John Hervey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rustproof [mailto:Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 9:36 AM
> To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [DML] Re: Tuning Idle Speed Circuit. (was: Re: idle
> problem)
>
>
> Having taken all the advice I could get from the list and the archives, I
> have attempted to set up both the CO mixture as well as the CIS idle. This
> was fiddled with by the previous owner and never properly reset. I set the
> (CO Mixture Screw) air/fuel mixture using an exhaust gas analyzer at
14.1:1
> with CO emmission at less than 1%. Idle set was 750 and varied about
50rpms
> high and low.
>
> ( First I would adjust by ear and set the idle at 950. Makes sure the
lower
> idle speed screw on the throttle body lever is resting on the stricker
plate
> and then the upper screw is turned in about 30 thousands and hitting the
> microswitch to activate the idle speed motor 1st..)
>
>
> The frequency valve could be heard at idle at a relatively
> constant and stable pitch. ( Good, it should be.)
>
>  The engine appeared to run very smoothly.
> However, upon shutting it off, it would not restart! I then advanced the
> mixture screw by 1/8th turn intervals clockwise until the engine was able
to
> start. The idle was erratic and fluctuated several hundred RPMs hunting
> wildly. The frequency valve buzzed on the lean upswings and was silent on
> the downswings. I then adjusted the CO screw (by ear) until the engine ran
> smooth again but I could see by the analyzer that it was running on the
rich
> side to get it to settle down. I then set the idle again to 750. This time
> the idle remained on 750 exactly with no fluctuation at all but the
> frequency valve remained silent. I assume that this is due to the very
rich
> mixture. The engine seems to run fine set like this but I realize that I
am
> essentially nullifying the lambda system with the over-rich mixture.
> ( The Lambda ECU is electronicly set to enrich untill the 02 kicks in,
That
> why it's running rich.)
>
> The engine has been checked methodically and no vacuum leaks can be found.
> All
> o-rings, tubing and fuel system parts including pump, accumulator and hot
> start kits are new. The engine has only 8,000 miles on it.
>
> ( When you adjusted the 02 about 1/8th turn, Do you know what you did. Was
> the engine hot,and did you push down on the tool or just let it rest in
the
> screw head and turn.)
>
>  I was hoping that someone on the list with a pefectly operationg system
> might answer the following questions:
>
> 1. At idle, should the frequency valve buzz constantly and steadily?
> ( If everything is properly adjusted my answer would be yes.)
>
>
> 2. With the O2 sensor unplugged, I am able to set up everything exactly to
> spec. and the engine runs smooth and perfect. As soon as I reconnect it,
it
> hunts wildly again and I am forced to adjust the CO mix again to get it to
> settle down! Why is this happening?
> ( Your doing a manuel adjustment and the 02 does it electronicly.The 02
it's
> going to monitor it every step of the way which is what it's supposed to
> do.You just have to get to the 14.0 to 1 so there will be very little
swing
> by the 02 to the Lambda ECU to the FV.)
>
> 3. At 750 idle, should the CIS adjust to compensate for the A/C load or
does
> the idle normally drop 100 RPMs.
> ( The CIS,??? has nothing to do with the extra load.Not for sure what you
> mean Should the CIS compensate.)
>
> Your input will be greatly appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Rustproof
> Vin #1559
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 22:48:19 +0100
From: "Carl" <carlmailuk_at_dml_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Hawthorn

( moderators comment: While many of us have heard the story of the 'fairy tree' it's  highly doubtful that John DeLorean had anything physical to do with bulldozing the tree. )


According to 'The Celtic Wisom of Trees' by Jane Gifford (pub: Godsfield)

'Lone hawthorns are a common sight in fields and on burial mounds
all over Ireland, and to fell one is said to result in the loss of
your cattle and all of your money - and even the death of your children.
When De Lorean (sic) set up his car factory in Ireland, there was a
lone hawthorn standing in the centre of the site that the builders had
refused to destroy.  Apparently De Lorean finally buldozed it to the ground
himself and there was little surprise among his workers when the car
plant turned out to be a total disaster.'

Carl

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:38:45 -0000
From: "p12c16" <p12c16_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 1 Question before I begin living the dream!!!!!!

Hey Rich, Congratulations.  The strip is supposedly removeable if you use a 
hair dryer on it and gently peel it up. Good luck!  

Patrick
1880




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