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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1652
Date: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:34 PM

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: WARNING - eBay auction fraud!
From: ROBLAMROCK_at_dml_aol.com

2. Re: WARNING - eBay auction fraud!
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

3. Re: Costs for Driving to Pigeon Forge
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

4. Re: Re: Cleaner/Sealer
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com

5. Change Windows In A DeLorean?
From: "rrouya" <RRouya_at_dml_ATTBI.com>

6. Pidgeon Forge Convoy
From: Tom Watkins <dmctom_at_dml_earthlink.net>

7. Just Joined The DMC Family! VIN 6029
From: <krasniy_at_dml_krasniy.com>

8. Re: Fall Foliage Tour
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

9. Starting is such sweet sorrow
From: "freakybeetle" <freakybeetle_at_dml_hotmail.com>

10. RE: Re: Cooling fans and the ignition
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>

11. Re: Recover Dash binnacle or NOS?
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

12. RE: Fall Foliage Tour
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>

13. Fall Tour October 18-19
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

14. RE: DeLorean Updates
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:43:17 EDT
From: ROBLAMROCK_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: WARNING - eBay auction fraud!

I bought one of these models also on Ebay way back in June and it hasn't 
arrived despite his assurances!
Looks like I've been stung also...

Robert Lamrock
Belfast

In a message dated 04/09/03 16:53:50 GMT Daylight Time, Joe.Fedeli_at_dml_dla.mil 
writes:

> I just want to warn others regarding a seller on eBay that is defrauding
> eBay buyers.  He is: VFToys.  Currently, Square Deal mediators are
> attempting to have him correct it, but he has refused to respond to them or
> I as of this current time for resolution.   I purchased a DeLorean model for
> $127.50 and he never shipped it.  



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:03:44 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: WARNING - eBay auction fraud!

This has nothing to do with Joe's experience but it is a BIG problem
on E-bay as well.

BE VERY CAREFUL IN ACCEPTING CASHIER'S CHECKS OR BANK CHECKS!

 There have been many instances of counterfeit checks. While it is
true a bank will give you cash when you present such a check when it
is "bounced" back to them they WILL deduct it from your account.
Before accepting a cashier's check you should call the issuing bank to
verify it's authenticity. That or deposit and wait 2 weeks before
delivering any merchandise. This means you cannot sell a car on a
weekend unless the deal is CASH! These checks look like the real deal
but they ARE NOT!
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Fedeli, Joe (DSCP)" <Joe.Fedeli_at_dml_d...>
wrote:
> I just want to warn others regarding a seller on eBay that is defrauding
> eBay buyers.  He is: VFToys.  Currently, Square Deal mediators are
> attempting to have him correct it, but he has refused to respond to
them or
> I as of this current time for resolution.   I purchased a DeLorean 




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:46:14 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: Costs for Driving to Pigeon Forge

Slight math error - based on your numbers 4400 miles at $0.25 a mile 
= $1100, not $110, so the total "opportunity cost" is more like 
$2200. Although one could certainly do better than $100 a night for 
roadside motels. 

I hear Dick's argument, but not everyone can take two weeks off for a 
weekend event....time is more often the necessitator of this sort of 
thing. 

Dave

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_s...> wrote:
> I have received a number of inquiries regarding shipping verses 
driving 
> cars to PF.
> 
> The cost comparison from the West Coast (LA) is
> 
> 3 days driving time (each way)  =  5 nights in motel   _at_dml_ 
$100/night  = $500
> 
> Gasoline cost 4400  miles _at_dml_ 20 mpg = 220 gallons x $2.00/gal 
=         
> $440  (gas could be $2.50 gal.!)
> 
> Meals, misc. for 6 days  $25 per day 
=                                   
>                  $150
> 
> Wear and tear on car(oil change, tires, etc.)  4400 miles _at_dml_ $. 
25/mile = 
> $110
>                                                                     
    
>                                      $1,200
> 
> Lost vacation time (unless you like driving)  6 
days                     
>       (Price ?)
> Risk cost of an 
accident                                                 
>                      (Price ?)
> 
> If you are planning on bringing a car, using a transporter would be 
just 
> under $1000.
> 
> This means you would have about $200 for air fare.  
> 
> It all comes down to what your time is worth and whether you want 
your 
> car there.
> 
> 
> BOB





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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:16:45 EDT
From: Soma576_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Cleaner/Sealer

In a message dated 9/4/03 10:55:36 AM Central Daylight Time, 
sonnyvr2000_at_dml_yahoo.com writes:

> The emphasis on the word DAMP above is mine. I think that is why 
> Andy's experience has been less than he expected. Warren told me that 
> there were two formulas of this stuff as well, the original factory 
> stuff, and an improved formula that they now sell. He also said the 
> application instructions between the original and ther new stuff were 
> different, so maybe Andy has some of the original stuff.
> 
> 
> 
> Sonny V.

My two bottles of the stuff are NOS sealer from DMC Car Care Kits.  i have 
not tried the new stuff but perhaps i will now that i know there is a 
difference.....

has anyone besides me noticed that the DMC stainless shampoo doesn't foam 
when added to water or make bubbles?  my first NOS did, then i got a second NOS 
which didn't, and now the new formula from Houston doesn't either.  should it?  
seems to clean just fine either way.

Andy


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 00:54:01 -0000
From: "rrouya" <RRouya_at_dml_ATTBI.com>
Subject: Change Windows In A DeLorean?

Hi, just wondering if there is any way to change the side windows in 
a DeLorean to standard side windows.  I really dont like how the 
DeLorean side windows only go up and down half way.  I like the 
entire window to go up and down.  So if anyone has done this change 
or know of a kit or if its even possible let me know.  Thanks.




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:16:18 -0400
From: Tom Watkins <dmctom_at_dml_earthlink.net>
Subject: Pidgeon Forge Convoy

Ok,  It is probably WAY too early to ask this but......Are there any 
owners in the North East (I'm in Maine) who want to meet somewhere on 
the East Coast for a awesome caravan to the event?   We should plan on a 
trip itinerary...stops, re-fueling, where to stay on the way etc....For 
you seasoned veterans of past convoys who are already thinking of this I 
would love to join as would some other from Maine who are planning on 
going!!

Thanks

Tom
#05732




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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:37:14 -0400
From: <krasniy_at_dml_krasniy.com>
Subject: Just Joined The DMC Family! VIN 6029

After such a very long time.....and so many "Almost bought a Delorean"
scenerios.... I have finally purchased a Delorean DMC-12 Vin 6029!
Anyways I have learned much from this newsgroup and enjoyed alot of the
conversations.....and hope that I am a Welcome  Member of the Family!
 
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/viewimage.x/00000000/palmerdodge/81delor
8.jpg
 
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/viewimage.x/00000000/palmerdodge/81delor
9.jpg
 
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/viewimage.x/00000000/palmerdodge/81delor
11.jpg
 
Robert AKA "Krasniy" - Charlotte - Florida Vin 6029


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:30:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fall Foliage Tour

The fall tour is not a club event.  It was started by
Mike Deluca, who thought it would be cool to have a
parade of DeLoreans following him around on his fall 
weekend getaway! (Flow's clam shack, yum!).

I spoke to Mike a few weeks ago.  Although I do not
think a date has been set, he did say that he intends
to do it again this year.  The discussed plan (not set
in stone) is to do something in WildWood NJ.

Kevin Abato and I have been pestering Mike to make
some comitments... keeping in mind, he is not
obligated to do anything!  If Mike decides to pass
this year (hey Mike, ara ya poopin?), Kevin and I may
try and set something up.... but dont expect a Ken
Koncelik type show on short notice.   :)

--- "Mr. Woop Ass" <sephiroth_at_dml_merriman.com> wrote:
> Ladies and gentlemen,
> 
>     I was wondering if there is a date yet for the
> fall foliage tour IV?
> I understand that it is in october, but want to be
> able to have enough time
> to tell my boss: "Hey! I cant work on XX days!"  ;)
> 
> Thanks!
> Have a wonderful day!
> 
> Rex
> Proud owner of Sunstar's ;)
> 

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:21:42 -0000
From: "freakybeetle" <freakybeetle_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Starting is such sweet sorrow

I have spent the last few weeks getting my DMC tuned up after years 
of not being driven. The car gets better every time I work on it, but 
there is still something that I haven't been able to work out. The 
car is almost impossible to get started with out using starting 
fluid. It has a new fuel pump, fuel filter, and cold start valve. I 
doesn't matter if the engine has been sitting for days or immediate 
turned over after turning it off, the car just won't fire by itself. 
It also has new plugs, plug wires, distributor, rotor, and the rest 
of a normal tune up kit. I have tried bypassing the thermo sensor 
that controls when the cold start fires, but still no luck. Any ideas 
or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I would really like to 
take the car to the SEDOC cruise in this month. 

Thanks, 

Jai 
2812




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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:05:55 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Cooling fans and the ignition

Harold and group,
Along with the 40 amp replacement relays in the Delorean relay kit,  I also
have a 70 amp power relay in a small package that I sell in the Mini Brute
and sell as a separate item. I also just picked up a surface mount( Non plug
in 75 amp ). So I think with this addition I have the delorean power needs
in a relay covered. They are putting a lot of power in the new small
packages now. Take a look.
John Hervey
http://www.specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/electrical.html



-----Original Message-----
From: Harold McElraft [mailto:hmcelraft_at_dml_aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:22 PM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] Re: Cooling fans and the ignition


It sounds like your relay is sticking. The circuit that starts the
relay is activated with the ignition switch but the wire going to
the relay to run the fans is "hot at all times". Get a heavy duty
relay from John Hervey (40 amps). Both fans take a full 22 amps at
run (11 amps each) and nearly 40 amps to start them. That is a lot
to take away from the starter circuit - especially if your battery
is low or marginal.

Harold McElraft - 3354


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Joe Angell <jangell_at_dml_t...> wrote:
>
> I have a curious problem with my DeLorean:
>
> Let's say I take the car out for the day.  During my trip it gets
hot
> enough that the cooling fans come on.  At this point, if you turn
the
> car off and then try to turn it back on again, it won't start.
>
> I noticed that while the ignition is tripped, everything is off in
the
> car -- except the cooling fans.  More often than not, the solution
is
> to pull open the relay compartment and pull out the cooling fan
relay;
> the car starts right up then.
>
> Anyone else seen this?  Shouldn't the fans also be off when you
turn
> the ignition so the starter can get enough power?
>
> I've also noticed that on the other cars I've owned, the cooling
fans
> stay on when the car is off if it is still too hot.  I notice this
does
> not happen on the DeLorean; the fans go off with the car.  Is this
> normal?
>
> Also, my relays seem to get quite hot, so it looks like I'll be
> tightening the sockets this weekend.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- Joe



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:34:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Recover Dash binnacle or NOS?

It really all depends on what your preference is for your car. I've seen several cars with their binnacles recovered in leather and vinyl... and if you don't know DeLoreans... you'd think they were supposed to be made that way. They look great! My car's previous owner put on a NOS binnacle about 4 years ago. The car was his daily driver in Georgia for 2 years, and the car has been my secondary driver for the past 2 years in North Carolina. These are both very hot, humid climates, and the binnacle still looks like new. We'll see how it fares after another 15 years of this exposure though :-).

Louie Golden
VIN 10115

--- Dick Ryan <deloreanbiker_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
>Personal thoughts:  If you're into concours - NOS is
>the only way to go.  If not . . . . I had ordered a
>NOS binnacle through one of the vendors.  I was very
>unhappy with it when it arrived.  Moreover, I figured
>it would just crack again like the original.  So, I
>had my binnacle recovered in leather by the DeLorean
>Motor Center.  
>
>It looks awesome - fits in with the rest of the
>interior so well that it almost looks stock - won't
>crack, etc., etc.  I currently have no cracks in the
>dash, but when one appears, I will have the dash done
>as well.  I have seen one car that they had done where
>the entire interior was done in leather and it was
>very nice.  
>
>I know the purists will gag, but it is something for
>you to consider.
>
>Dick Ryan
>VIN 16867

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:45:07 -0400
From: "Kevin Abato" <delorean_at_dml_abato.net>
Subject: RE: Fall Foliage Tour

We are working on details now...stay tuned!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. Woop Ass [mailto:sephiroth_at_dml_merriman.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 1:02 AM
To: DML
Subject: [DML] Fall Foliage Tour


Ladies and gentlemen,

    I was wondering if there is a date yet for the fall foliage tour IV?
I understand that it is in october, but want to be able to have enough
time to tell my boss: "Hey! I cant work on XX days!"  ;)

Thanks!
Have a wonderful day!

Rex
Proud owner of Sunstar's ;)



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 03:54:13 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Fall Tour October 18-19

I have just the barest of details right now. Put aside the date of
October 18-19. The Fall Tour this year will take place in Wildwood,
New Jersey. The hosting hotel is called the Ivanhoe. The phone # is
609-522-5874. Tell them you are with the Delorean group. The quoted
room rate is $75 per night per room. More details to follow and you
can keep up at the website for Deloreanmidatlantic.com (when the info
gets posted up there). Mike DeLucca from Long Islind is again
arranging the Fall Tour for us. If it goes anything like the past Fall
Tours he has run everyone can look foward to a great Delorean Weekend!
Don't put your cars away yet, we still have 1 great event to end the
season! We will be getting owners from as far away as Ohio (Ken Koncilik).
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757




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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:06:28 -0700
From: "John Hervey" <john_at_dml_specialtauto.com>
Subject: RE: DeLorean Updates

Depending on the Vin #. There are a lot of electrical and mechanical
updates.Some are not in the Delorean books.
John
www.specialtauto.com


-----Original Message-----
From: anaheim_21 [mailto:anaheim_21_at_dml_yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 5:22 AM
To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DML] DeLorean Updates


Besides the front frame extension, what updates need to be performed
to a 1981 DeLorean?



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