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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1654
Date: Saturday, September 06, 2003 11:24 AM

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Towing a Delorean to Pigeon Forge
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>

2. Re: Pidgeon Forge Convoy
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>

3. Re: Delorean Question
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>

4. Pidgeon Forge Convoy
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com

5. Re: Delorean Question
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>

6. My X DMC #1602
From: "ablemanse" <s.ableman_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>

7. Re: Delorean Question
From: Enid <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>

8. Insurance Question from an aspiring buyer
From: "downeykiwi" <dthomas_at_dml_lacsd.org>

9. New, Just wanted to say Hi!
From: casey barlow <dmc1288mph_at_dml_yahoo.com>

10. door vapor barriers...necessary?
From: "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>

11. modified sunstar models
From: "zdmcman" <zdmcman_at_dml_yahoo.com>

12. owned my delorean 6 months!
From: "zdmcman" <zdmcman_at_dml_yahoo.com>

13. EBay Fraud
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com

14. New to the club.
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com

15. Who are/were Olson Engineering?
From: "jchapelhow" <chapelhow_at_dml_hotmail.com>

16. Re: Change Windows In A DeLorean?
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>





Message: 1
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 08:05:21 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Towing a Delorean to Pigeon Forge

Kevin,

I have towed my Delorean to two shows.   I rented a car hauler from U 
Haul around $300 for about 5 days.

You also need a tow vehicle.  This is something that can handle a Class 
3 trailer hitch.  This is a full size truck or pick up.   These also 
rent for about $350 for 5 days.   Most give some free mileage, but this 
is another expense.

A group car hauler (6 car minimum) would be less expensive and a lot 
hassle when traveling.

BOB






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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 13:47:50 -0000
From: "twinenginedmc12" <twinenginedmc12_at_dml_gendreaumicro.com>
Subject: Re: Pidgeon Forge Convoy

Hi Tom.

That sounds fun.  If my car's up to 2800 miles of travel in June, I'd 
like to join you.  If not, I'll trailer it and ride alone.

Rick Gendreau, vin 11472

 --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Tom Watkins <dmctom_at_dml_e...> wrote:
> Ok,  It is probably WAY too early to ask this but......Are there 
any 
> owners in the North East (I'm in Maine) who want to meet somewhere 
on 
> the East Coast for a awesome caravan to the event?   We should plan 
on a 
> trip itinerary...stops, re-fueling, where to stay on the way 
etc....For 
> you seasoned veterans of past convoys who are already thinking of 
this I 
> would love to join as would some other from Maine who are planning 
on 
> going!!
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tom
> #05732




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 01:26:27 -0000
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Question

Wow. I can only imagine the responses that will come of this! Where 
to begin?

First, if you're looking for performance, don't come here. These cars 
only had 137 hp stock. Upgrades have increased this to nearly 200 hp.
You can't compare a 23 year old car to a 8 or 9 year old car. It's 
like apples and oranges. They don't handle the same. They weren't 
built with the same idea in mind. The DeLorean was meant to be 
an "executive sports car" for rich old foggies to cruise around in. 
It was a status thing.

Why is a DeLorean better? It's a matter of your taste. There are only 
a few left. You'd be part of a special group of discerning people. 
I've made a lot of friends here. I've learned a lot about the car. I 
bought mine because it's part of our national history and pop culture 
and I wanted to save it.

Forget those rice rockets. Come to the dark side and join us!

Rich
#5335- Maryland
--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Dan McNasby <dan_mcnasby_at_dml_y...> wrote:
> 
> I am very interested in buying a Delorean but would like to know 
what are the relative merits of the DeLorean over the Following Cars 
(basically, why buy the delorean over the following) are:
> 
> 1.  1994 Dodge Viper RT/10
> 
> 2.  1995 Acura NSX
> 
>  Why is the DeLorean better to own than the above cars? 
> 
> Thanks for the input!
> 
> Dan
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:05:42 EDT
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Pidgeon Forge Convoy

I'm on Long Island and think it would be a great idea.  (I'll send you my 
particulars off list.)

Dave & 6530


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:34:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Louie Golden <louie_at_dml_delorean.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Question

The main difference between the DeLorean and these cars is that to own a DeLorean requires that you be absolutely in love with it. If you're not, you'll get aggrevated by it and sell it within a year or two. Why is this so? The DeLorean is a car that has been extinct for over two decades, and never had the research and development that it required to begin with. Like fellow list member Bill Robertson often says... we're driving around in glorified prototypes. What this amounts to is you'll spend a lot of time and money getting a DeLorean into good running shape (they're 20+ years old!), fixing the cars original flaws, and keeping it running after you get it driveable. Once you get the car sorted out, you can be assured it will last longer than you will... they're actually quite stout little cars. There are many DeLoreans with over 150,000 miles... and I'm sure there are a couple with over 200,000 miles.

A while back I pulled into the post office... and a Viper pulled in behind me. When we pulled into our parking spaces, people stared at my car, and flocked around it, and ignored the Viper. The difference between the DeLorean and any other "exotic" in the world is that it is uniquely approachable. If you want a fast car, look elsewhere. The DeLorean is about as fast as your average SUV in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. The Viper and NSX have the benefit of 20 years newer suspension technology too... so again they'll run circles around the DeLorean. The Viper and NSX offer open air Targa/convertible fun... in the DeLorean you're pretty much locked inside with only tiny little windows linking you to the outside world. If all you want is flash, the car will give that to you... but I'd again look elsewhere if that's your aim. So the DeLorean really doesn't beat out any of these cars in any other way. To be a DeLorean owner you have to be a somewhat eccentric person I suppose. And as I said before you have to really really love the car... because it will try as hard as it can to make you hate it. I'm not trying to scare you off... I'm just giving you fair warning of what's ahead! :-)

Louie Golden
VIN 10115  


--- Dan McNasby <dan_mcnasby_at_dml_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I am very interested in buying a Delorean but would like to know what are the relative merits of the DeLorean over the Following Cars (basically, why buy the delorean over the following) are:
>
>1.  1994 Dodge Viper RT/10
>
>2.  1995 Acura NSX
>
> Why is the DeLorean better to own than the above cars? 
>
>Thanks for the input!
>
>Dan

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 01:25:29 -0000
From: "ablemanse" <s.ableman_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
Subject: My X DMC #1602

List,  

   I would like to find the present owner of a DMC that I owned for 
several years. Does anyone know how to go about this? I would like to 
get a picture of it and possibility purchase it. I sold it prior to 
moving to Central America for 5 years. I've been kicking myself ever 
since. 
    It's vin is 1602

Thank you, love this list
Steve Ableman





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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Enid <hispanicangeleyes_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Delorean Question

    Andy hit it VERY well.  The DeLorean is not a car to be used for drag-racing.  even if you find one with the twin turbo engine, this is a car for luxury driving - not racing.  It is strictly a car that is made for someone who wants to enjoy a vehicle for what it's worth.  This is a very rare car; you can get a viper or an acura anyday.  There are about 6500 or so DeLoreans left on the streets.  You will get so many looks, thumb-ups,stares, shouts, and smiles it's unbelievable.  I have a friend who owns a DeLorean, and he gets so many of the above it's hilarious.  I see people drive around the car in a parking lot yelling out "DeLorean" like 3 times, then they just drive off.  This car really IMHO is the closest you'll get to "celebrity status".  If you are the only one in town that has one; everyone will know the answer to "who owns that car?" very quickly - a good or a bad thing depending how you look at it.  Let's face it - alot of people (including myself) only know the
 DeLorean from BTTF (Back to the Future).  The overall public loves that trilogy of movies, so when they see the car from the movie; they feel a sense of nostalgia and "wow - that's the BTTF car! awesome!" feeling.  The other cars are nice, but the parts are extremely costly; the insurance for the other two cars could be through the roof depending on your age.  I'm 22, and my upcoming DeLorean AND a Nissan 94 XE pickup insured with a full policy for 2 people is roughly $656.00 for 6 months.  That's incredible - considering my age and 2 people being on the policy with one work truck and an exotic "weekend" car.  The DeLorean is a respected "antique" vehicle; it is truly a granted treasure to posses this car.  Be prepared, the DeLorean is known for having alot of repairs and bugs, but this car is 22 years old - youngest being 20 yrs old.  Any car - even dependable cars like Toyotas, Mazdas, and Nissans - will have bugs and/or repairs after 20-22 yrs.  Features on the car - the
 different sized rims (14" front, 15" back), stainless steel body, and of course the Gullwing doors all separate this car from the rest.  Sure, some cars do have different sized rims, but not many.  No other feature the body nor the Gullwing doors (ok, some do - but very very few).  On top of that, the community for this car is extremely open and friendly.  I don't even own my car yet, and I have countless questions.  I have received so many responses it's incredible.  From the vibe I get here, there are very few "snooty" DeLorean owners, and everyone is like a single unit.  In comparison to the other 2, most repairs you can do on this car if you own the manuals and have the right tools (thinks "tie rods" to my friend here in town).  I don't know about the other two, but I sure as heck know I wouldn't know where to begin to repair them.  Parts are not extraordinarily expensive for the DeLorean, some are more expensive than others.  Most parts for the DeLorean are actually cheaper
 then the majority of cars on the road today.  The DeLorean features that beautiful "wedge shape" as well - the other two have a "ho hum" look to them.  Don't get me wrong; they are very beautiful and exotic, but the DeLorean just looks way different in comparison.  I'm basically repeating everything everyone else said, but I had to voice this because this is how I feel, and I don't even have mine yet.  I get mine this November, but I feel like people here in the DML really car about one another.  They give advice that others charge $60-$150 an hour just to look at your car.  I enjoy being in the company of others and being a "soon to be owner" who own such a rare piece of automotive history, and that alone IMHO is what makes the DeLorean so desirable.  Price, insurance, parts, specific body features, and the community - see if the other 2 cars can match those listed items. 


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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 02:09:00 -0000
From: "downeykiwi" <dthomas_at_dml_lacsd.org>
Subject: Insurance Question from an aspiring buyer

I hope to get my own Delorean in a few weeks.  I'm concerned about 
insurance though, as the DMC-12 is relatively rare.  Apart from 
Liability and perosnal injury, can insurance be obtained to cover 
theft and damage?

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:05:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: casey barlow <dmc1288mph_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: New, Just wanted to say Hi!

 Hey, I'm new to the list, and love DeLoreans. I hope
to own one soon, I have been learning about them, and
have owned the shop manual for about 6 years. I went
to the DMC open house in Houston this year and had a
great time and learned alot about the car. Just wanted
to say Hi.  VIN ?????    Casey

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 04:19:52 -0000
From: "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>
Subject: door vapor barriers...necessary?

Hi there,

In the midst of a day-project adjusting my door latches and locks, I
removed the plastic vapor barriers from both doors.  Now it's time to
put the door back together and it seems as though the sticky stuff
that was holding it on is no longer sticky.  How necessary are these
things?  I don't plan on ever driving my car in the rain, and my door
trim panels are all backed with plastic (not cardboard like some cars
which I understand could warp from moisture).  

So how necessary are they, and if they are necessary, what is the
sticky stuff called that I would need?

thanks,

Matt
#1604




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 08:53:37 -0000
From: "zdmcman" <zdmcman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: modified sunstar models

I am coming to pigeon forge tenn for the show and i have made a few 
intersting customized sunstars...is there going to be a category for 
custom sunstar delorean's, or a spot for the models that are 
customized? that would be great since i am in hawaii and can't bring 
my real car!lol..thanks!




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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 08:51:46 -0000
From: "zdmcman" <zdmcman_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: owned my delorean 6 months!

i bought a delorean about six months ago and have had a few minor 
problems with it, is there anything i should expect, or anything i 
should be aware about?

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Note that there is extensive coverage in the archives on new-owner checklists and I believe some of those checklists are also available in the tech files section.]




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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:01:48 EDT
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: EBay Fraud

I was just wondering if you buy something on eBay and pay with a credit card 
either directly or through Pay Pal, can't you get your money back if you don't 
receive the item?

Dave & 6530


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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:19:12 EDT
From: doctorDHD_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: New to the club.

Robert welcome to the club!  I looked over the pictures and it seems like you 
got a nice one!  Picture 12 shows that the struts on you bonnet need to be 
turned 180 degrees so the piston seals stay lubed.  Good Luck

Dave & 6530


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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 14:39:16 -0000
From: "jchapelhow" <chapelhow_at_dml_hotmail.com>
Subject: Who are/were Olson Engineering?

All.

I have seen on the VIN list that my car, 0737, is one of several 
listed as an 'engineering car', assigned to 'Olson Engineering'.

Can anyone tell me what work they did for DeLorean and whether they 
are still going. Previous searches of the DMCNEWS articles/history 
don't seem to give any more details.

On a personal note if anyone in the US has knowledge of my car on 
that side of the Atlantic I would be interested to hear from them.


John Chapelhow
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 10:18:42 -0500
From: Bob Brandys <BobB_at_dml_safety-epa.com>
Subject: Re: Change Windows In A DeLorean?

Louie,

The Full size windows are totally removable and the original tiny 
windows can be reinstalled. No permanent changes are made to the doors.

Only 8 small screw holes are needed to install these windows.  4 are in 
the reinforcement member which is unaltered, uncut and supports the new 
window tracks.

4 more hole are drilled in the top of the door channel under the top 
trim panel to support the top of the window channels.  Again these are 
invisible and fully removable.

The amount of air flow you get from these windows is amazing.  Also they 
are just as quite as the stock windows.


BOB

PS.  When I met with John Delorean in Cleveland and had him try the full 
size windows he was really impressed.  He asked " How did you do it?  I 
had engineers work on this for two years!"

When I explained to him how I did it, he said "You're a dam good 
engineer.  If I had people like you working for me, I would still be in 
business."






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