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Subject: [DML] Digest Number 1663
Date: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:59 AM

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There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: POR 15
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com

2. I will rebuild your power mirror switch...
From: "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>

3. DMC spotted in Manasquan, NJ
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>

4. Business Article
From: "joshieloo1292" <Joshieloo_at_dml_aol.com>

5. delorean power steering??
From: "dsstriker" <dsstriker_at_dml_yahoo.com>

6. Re: Business Article
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>

7. Re: State Inspection
From: Jim Senft <jpsenft_at_dml_erols.com>

8. Re: Business Article
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>

9. Re: I will rebuild your power mirror switch...
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>

10. Re: Master Cylinder bore/stroke
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

11. Re: Squirrley steering
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>

12. Re: delorean power steering??
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>

13. Re: delorean power steering??
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>

14. Re: State Inspection
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>





Message: 1
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:46:22 EDT
From: kKoncelik_at_dml_aol.com
Subject: Re: POR 15

I had the to dispute the undercoating since mine has it in the Nashville 
concours.  They agreed and let it ride but I don't know of a concours car winning 
with undercoating.  If there is please let me know then I have hope.

Ken


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:47:39 -0000
From: "supermattthehero" <supermatty_at_dml_psu.edu>
Subject: I will rebuild your power mirror switch...

After a few hours this evening, and much aid provided by Dave
(DOCTORDHD_at_dml_aol.com), I was able to rebuild my power mirror switch.  It
really took some patience but I'm glad I was able to save $56.  I must
admit I was rather disappointed to hear that not even DMC Houston
could do it for me when I had previously asked them.  So here I am,
offering out my services/help if anyone would like me to rebuild their
power mirror switch or help them to do so.  The only requirement is
that you must have all of the springs/bearings/rods that came with it.  
Please e-mail me or call me at 814-404-1595 if you would like some
help, and we will work something out.  

Matt
#1604






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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: DMC spotted in Manasquan, NJ

DMC spotted in Manasquan NJ, on 9/11/03, around 5:30PM
on main street...

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 00:31:54 -0000
From: "joshieloo1292" <Joshieloo_at_dml_aol.com>
Subject: Business Article

I read a disturbing fact in the September 15 issue of BusinessWeek 
magazine. I have uploaded a scan to the Files section.  It's listed 
as "BusinessWeek 09 15 03 pg 14." Check it out..

Joshua Schwartz
001292




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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 02:27:38 -0000
From: "dsstriker" <dsstriker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
Subject: delorean power steering??

question to all dmc engineers out there..
I enjoy the dmc on the open highways and rolling rural roads of new 
hampshire and maine, but i live in boston now and the quick sharp 
turns at low speeds are tough for this car.. The car is fun to drive 
when you have the room but in the city its more of a headache then an 
enjoyable ride, not being as knowlageable of a delorean historian as 
some of the fellow members out here,  i was wondering if anyone knows 
if john Z and his team took slow, city driving into concideration 
when desiding to use the rack and pinion design? Is there any way to 
add a power steering assist to the car? Comments or suggestions would 
be appreiciated, thanks




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:38:14 -0400
From: Josh Haldeman <jhaldeman_at_dml_fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Business Article

oh...statistics can be made up to prove anything.  46.73% of all people 
know that! ;-)

-Josh
VIN 5102
VIN 15964
VIN 5609...Parts car, now keeping approx 75 other DeLoreans on the road!


joshieloo1292 wrote:

>I read a disturbing fact in the September 15 issue of BusinessWeek 
>magazine. I have uploaded a scan to the Files section.  It's listed 
>as "BusinessWeek 09 15 03 pg 14." Check it out..
>
>Joshua Schwartz
>001292



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:44:00 -0400
From: Jim Senft <jpsenft_at_dml_erols.com>
Subject: Re: State Inspection

Rich,
I am currently applying for Maryland Historic plates for my 
DeLorean...however, historic plates does not exempt the vehicle from 
emissions testing.  Any vehicle 1977 or newer must go thru the 
emissions.  If you have found a way to bypass emissions testing, please 
let me know offline!!! Nor does historic plates eliminate the need for 
State inspection if the car is re-registered in the state. What did you 
mean that you don't have to fool with it...?

Jim in Maryland

cruznmd wrote:

> Mike Cohee and I qualify for Maryland Historic plates and don't have
> to fool with it thank God.
> 
> In Maryland if the vehicle is over 20 years old and the company is out
> of business and the model isn't produced anymore, you qualify.
> 
> The 25 year applies if the company is still in business (like Ford).
> I run into people in Maryland all the time who say "Hey! That's not
> old enough!" because they don't research the law.
> 
> So...if you're in Maryland, read-n-heed. :)
> 
> Rich
>





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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:59:12 -0400
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>
Subject: Re: Business Article

You could look at that in 2 aspects. One aspect would be that anyone 
purchasing a Delorean is more likely to be really into the car and 
willing to keep it going and working well. Unlike most other cars that 
are bought.

Samuel

joshieloo1292 wrote:

>I read a disturbing fact in the September 15 issue of BusinessWeek 
>magazine. I have uploaded a scan to the Files section.  It's listed 
>as "BusinessWeek 09 15 03 pg 14." Check it out..
>
>Joshua Schwartz
>001292



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:00:12 -0400
From: Samuel <samuel_yahoo_at_dml_lightspeed.cx>
Subject: Re: I will rebuild your power mirror switch...

Just a thought, if you rebuild another switch, take alot of digital 
pictures and you could submit a howto/technical article on the steps 
needed. show all the parts needed so anyone using it can compare and 
make sure they have everything then which piece goes where.

Samuel

supermattthehero wrote:

>After a few hours this evening, and much aid provided by Dave
>(DOCTORDHD_at_dml_aol.com), I was able to rebuild my power mirror switch.  It
>really took some patience but I'm glad I was able to save $56.  I must
>admit I was rather disappointed to hear that not even DMC Houston
>could do it for me when I had previously asked them.  So here I am,
>offering out my services/help if anyone would like me to rebuild their
>power mirror switch or help them to do so.  The only requirement is
>that you must have all of the springs/bearings/rods that came with it.  
>Please e-mail me or call me at 814-404-1595 if you would like some
>help, and we will work something out.




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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:44:10 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: Master Cylinder bore/stroke

hm.  I took the much less engineered approach of hooking up my Delorean
clutch master cylinder to the Porsche clutch slave cylinder on my '95 G50
6-speed transaxle.  It worked, though the Delorean clutch pedal was very
hard to press.  This translates into the fact that the master pushes more
than enough fluid to work the (g50) porsche slave cylinder.  I ended up
moving the clutch linkage on the clutch pedal in order to give the driver
more mechanical advantage by shortening the throw of the master cylinder
over the range of the clutch pedal.  The pedal is now in an equilibrium
where the master cylinder has just enough throw to fully engage and fully
disengage the clutch.

Jim 
1537


On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:24:24 -0500 "at88mph" <at88mph_at_dml_worldnet.att.net>
writes:
> Could anyone tell me the exact bore and stroke of the clutch master
> cylinder?  I'm installing a Porsche 915 tranny and am trying to set 
> up the
> slave cylinder correctly and I'm not sure of the dimensions.
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> 



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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:26:52 -0000
From: "David Teitelbaum" <jtrealty_at_dml_webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Squirrley steering

Is this a challange? I have no problem with reenforcement in the
crumple tube area. It is a lot better than driving with a crumple tube
zone that deflects when you drive! We have a member's car here that
when it was on the lift we saw a piece of diamond plate welded to the
entire bottom of the crumple tube area! Of course if that car was ever
in a serious enough accident the car probably wouldn't perform quite
the way the origional engineers would have predicted! As long as you
appreciate the purpose intended and made an effort to preserve some of
the function, chances are you will be fine. After all didn't DMC have
to reenforce the area at the sway bar brackets!  If you can make the
steering work correctly maybe you won't get into the accident that you
would need the crumple zone for? While you are at it make sure the
restraining brackets on the bonnet are lined up with the stop bumpers
so in case of that head-on collision the hood, (bonnet), won't go
through the windscreen and decapitate you. On the Jaguar XKE's the
front of the frame that supports the engine and steering is a tubular
section that bolts to the unibody frame. It rusts from the inside out
and it weakens so much it can collapse. The only remedy is to just
replace it. I guess the same thing is happening here except that our
crumple tubes are welded in. If the frame is that bad maybe it is a
better idea to just get another frame? Check the back around the motor
mounts for rust too. Usually when you see enough rust to cause concern
in the front you also have problems in the back.
David Teitelbaum
vin 10757


--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, "Toby Peterson" <tobyp_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> Rich - Funny you should bring this up ... One of our members (PNDC) is 
> having a problem with loose steering, with a lot of wandering, etc.  
> He was told that he had bad tie rod ends, but he is convinced that the 
> rack is moving laterally.  He also has some damage to the crumple 
> tubes, and is further convinced that the frame extension is deflecting 
> as he steers the car, creating some of the loose feel.  Last night, I 
> brought over an expert welder and metal worker to take measurements 
> for a reinforcement plate for the crumple tube area, and (if all works 
> out okay) we plan to offer a reinforcement kit for sale for people who 
> have some damage that they are concerned about.  I suspect that Dave 
> T. will say something about affecting crash-worthiness, but I think 




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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:18:25 -0400
From: Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_juno.com>
Subject: Re: delorean power steering??

Power steering would require installing power steering/hydraulic pressure
lines from the engine to the steering rack.  You would also need to add a
power steering pump the engine somehow.  

Then you would need to install a power steering rack in the front of the
car, which would be difficult given the small space given for the rack.  

This conversion would be a pain, and would rob horsepower from the
engine.  You're probably better off getting a beater that has a better
turning radius.  


Jim
1537


On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 02:27:38 -0000 "dsstriker" <dsstriker_at_dml_yahoo.com>
writes:
> question to all dmc engineers out there..
> I enjoy the dmc on the open highways and rolling rural roads of new 
> hampshire and maine, but i live in boston now and the quick sharp 
> turns at low speeds are tough for this car.. The car is fun to drive 
> 
> when you have the room but in the city its more of a headache then 
> an 
> enjoyable ride, not being as knowlageable of a delorean historian as 
> 
> some of the fellow members out here,  i was wondering if anyone 
> knows 
> if john Z and his team took slow, city driving into concideration 
> when desiding to use the rack and pinion design? Is there any way to 
> 
> add a power steering assist to the car? Comments or suggestions 
> would 
> be appreiciated, thanks



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 03:42:17 -0000
From: "Dave Swingle" <swingle_at_dml_dmcnews.com>
Subject: Re: delorean power steering??

Jim, the father of wierd DeLorean conversions turning down a 
challenge? 

Actually a thought that occurred to me was to check out a BMW (Z4)
electric Power Steering setup. The power unit is built right into the 
steering column, and the dimensions do not appear to be all that far 
off (sorry - no tape measure at the time). My guess is that in 
typical BMW fashion the controls are tightly integrated into the 
car's computer system so there would be a fair amount of detail work 
to figure out beyond just mounting it. And the power consumption is 
probably NOT insignificant.  As an additional challenge, there's an 
airbag to figure out. . . 

Dave Swingle

--- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, Jim Strickland <ihaveanaccount_at_dml_j...> 
wrote:
> Power steering would require installing power steering/hydraulic 
pressure
> lines from the engine to the steering rack.  You would also need to 
add a
> power steering pump the engine somehow.  
> 
> Then you would need to install a power steering rack in the front 
of the
> car, which would be difficult given the small space given for the 
rack.  
> 
> This conversion would be a pain, and would rob horsepower from the
> engine.  You're probably better off getting a beater that has a 
better
> turning radius.  
> 
> 
> Jim
> 1537
> 




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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:41:45 -0400
From: "Rustproof" <Rustproof_at_dml_prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: State Inspection

I think that the guy who decides the emissions standards here in
Massachusetts must have been a Delorean owner because only cars 1984 and
newer are required to take an emissions inspection!
Rustproof,
Vin 1559

----- Original Message -----
From: "cruznmd" <racuti1_at_dml_delorean.com>
To: <dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [DML] State Inspection


> Mike Cohee and I qualify for Maryland Historic plates and don't have
> to fool with it thank God.
>
> In Maryland if the vehicle is over 20 years old and the company is out
> of business and the model isn't produced anymore, you qualify.
>
> The 25 year applies if the company is still in business (like Ford).
> I run into people in Maryland all the time who say "Hey! That's not
> old enough!" because they don't research the law.
>
> So...if you're in Maryland, read-n-heed. :)
>
> Rich
>
>
> --- In dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com, <krasniy_at_dml_k...> wrote:
> > That sounds annoying! I am happy that Florida currently does not have
> > inspections....or none that I am aware of anyways :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Teitelbaum [mailto:jtrealty_at_dml_w...]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:33 PM
> > To: dmcnews_at_dml_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DML] State Inspection
> >
> >
> >
> > I just had my car inspected today by a State of New Jersey inspection
> > station. They are being operated by a private company under contract by
> > the State. New Jersey is 1 of only 2 states that has a "hybrid" system
> > ie: you can go to a "state" inspection station, or a PIF (private
> > inspection facility) aka a certified gas station. The inspectors argued
> > over who was going to get the chance to "do" the car. They couldn't find
> > the horn, gas tank, catalytic converter etc. They won't let you near the
> > car, sending you to a little shelter at the far end while they get to
> > play with your car. I stayed close so I could watch the antics.
> ..........
>
>
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